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Odyssea
Whee! I don't know about you guys, but I'm entertained. Markus's boardroom exit was one of the awkwardest, embarrassingest, blowhardiest and jackassiest in the show's history. I blinked for a second though... in the elevator, who was it who said "Don't talk to me"? Markus or one of the other guys?

Papa Trump trying to have "The Talk" with Adam though? That just made my skin crawl.
MetropolisGal
Was it just me, or were you rooting for TD to fire both Clay AND Markus?

Markus is gone! Good riddance!

Clay is a whining bitch to the inifinite power! SHUT UP!


ETA: Thanks for moving my post! I appreciate it! :-)
Jodeci
Thank Jebus that blathering idiot is off my television screen. But that cabterview was Markus at his finest. No dude, you definitely don’t have a clue. Moron.

So the ghost of Jen C. comes back to haunt Clay in the boardroom. For God’s sack, I really think Adam took Clay’s Jewish comment completely wrong. I didn’t hear what Adam heard. I think Clay was just trying to make a play off of Adam’s whole “nice Jewish boy from Atlanta” (or wherever it was). Clay really did go over the line a few times, but I can sympathize, because that is exactly the kind of dumb things that I say when I’m super nervous. But he certainly brought out the bitch-claws on Adam in the elevator. Childish, much?

I completely heart Adam, btw. Loved that he called Carolyn by her last name (didn’t catch it though) and that he gracefully avoided Trump’s horrible questions about if he’s ever had sex. Does the Hair want a law suit on top of everything else? What a clueless dipshit. Fake interview or not, you just don’t ask questions like that. Talk about “Uncle Inappropriate” (tm Erin).

Loved Randal on this task. Can’t wait to see him win.

And I lurved that they just let the Weasels just sit and wait for the Doomed Four to return in the beginning. Awesome.

What the hell did Marshawn wear to her makeover? Those pants were fugly.
funnymoney
Well, that was long overdue.

Markus – here is some TP for your mouth – I think you’re having another case of verbal diarrhea. May you please see a speech therapist now.

That was some forceful door opening by Clay at the end there. I think he was truly upset that he was “outed” in the boardroom.

Let’s finish this up quickly, fire the seven others next week and crown Randal as the Apprentice since he’s pre-destined to win.

Also – whoa, Carolyn cleavage!


I blinked for a second though... in the elevator, who was it who said "Don't talk to me"? Markus or one of the other guys?[/quote]

That was Clay to Adam.
Muwarr90
I'd like to nominate Markus for the Irony of the Year award, for giving a completely incoherent cab ride confession, that seemed to be about how well he communicates.

I'd also like to comment on how appropriate it was that the subject of workplace crushes came up on the same week that Carolyn wore that dress to the first part of the board room. Damn, that's a woman!
coastcat
Ahhhhhhh. That was a beautiful, beautiful boardroom. Markus is so delightfully delusional, so totally unaware of his own ineptitude, so... so much of a complete and utter tool.

I need a cigarette.

I blinked for a second though... in the elevator, who was it who said "Don't talk to me"? Markus or one of the other guys?[/quote]
Thank goodness for Tivo, because I couldn't figure it out either. It was Clay, to Adam.

(edit after second re-watching)
TiffanyNichelle
He's gone, yay! I was afraid Markus would never leave.


For God’s sack, I really think Adam took Clay’s Jewish comment completely wrong. I didn’t hear what Adam heard. I think Clay was just trying to make a play off of Adam’s whole “nice Jewish boy from Atlanta” (or wherever it was). Clay really did go over the line a few times,[/quote]

I agree. From the way Adam was behaving it was like Clay jumped up and started "Jew! Jew! Jew!"

Clay was a dumbass yes but I understand why he got a little irritated.
cmaybur
I think it was Clay, who has no right to get pissy after his behavior. Did you see him slam open that door going into the "suite"?

Shut up, Clay. I almost wish Trump had canned him instead of Markus.

I think he was truly upset that he was “outed” in the boardroom.

How could Trump not know he was gay? Trump is neither blind nor deaf, plus Clay just kept going on and on about being gay during his presentation.
Jurj
Well that episode was... odd, meandering and awkward, just like Markus. So I guess it works out. I'm glad Markus is gone, and the cab interview was great and had me laughing, and yet... it didn't seem quite the way I wanted it, quite as dramatic or as satisfying as I wanted it. The awkwardness of wondering where Trump was going to go with talking about homosexuals and sex at work really brought it down. And Markus babbled so much it's like he didn't even notice he was fired. I was hoping for a bit more agressive arguing, or something.

But I was glad to see the ACWDW was left to figure out the mass firing for themselves, which is what I was rooting for!

And as bad as Clay was, I was worried for him that they might harp on this anti-Semetic stuff when he obviously didn't mean it that way. So I was very relieved to see it got straightened out. He's just a bad presenter who put his foot in his mouth over and over again, not someone deserving of a big controversy and a visit from the PC police.
n00b
Markus, Markus, Markus. I've been fighting to keep you around because you seem to be a nice guy stuck on the outside, but come the fuck on already. You're making it hard on me. Mr. Blockbuster Idea, you of the "Smooth as Silk" campaign proposal, just go along with what the rest of your team is doing and they won't send you to the little kids table like at Thanksgiving. And you sunk yourself in the boardroom, somebody else was SO going until you opened your mouth. "Jamming a bunch of random words together and calling it a sentence," that was great. :D

Hehe at the thought of Alla speaking eloquently on the topic of sex at work! Randal hasn't done much for me so far this year, but man, he was great at public speaking. If this gig doesn't work out for him, give him a funky sweater and stick the man on an informercial. Definitely impressed me this show. Marshawn seemed MIA again, looked nice in the dress, though.

What did Markus have during the presentation, a yo-yo? Oh man.

Wow, Clay. Just wow. I didn't have a yooge problem with the Jew crack in the light environment they were shooting for -- in Manhattan, maybe not so much -- but the rest of his show seemed like total audience buzzkill material. (But make no mistake, because I've seen this defense by him and maybe others, he wasn't calling him "tight" as in uptight, he was calling him a cheap Jew bastard.)

I assumed Adam's team lost 'cause they ended up in the boardroom, but honestly I was too busy watching Carolyn's cleavage to notice.

(Clay was the one who said to Adam, "Don't talk to me.")

Trump: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a homosexual." Tactful. :D
tone
OMG. Kelly PerWho? still works for Trump. He's still stiff as a board and uninteresting as before, but he still works for him.

Last week's show may have had the shock value of a quad dismissal, but this boardroom was by far one of the best. I never laughed so much.


And I lurved that they just let the Weasels just sit and wait for the Doomed Four to return in the beginning. Awesome.[/quote]Totally forgot about that. "I gave up after waiting 8 hours." Dude, I would have given up after 2!
muchsarcasm
Marcus is the title character from Monthy Python's Anne Elk sketch.

Where? Oh, what is my theory? This is it. (clears throat at some length) My theory that belongs to me is as follows. (clears throat at great length) This is how it goes. The next thing I"m going to say is my theory. Ready?[/quote]
Adam should have gone for the Phil Donahue impression because that's exactly how the presentation started.

I thought Alla was pushing Adam to kick out Clay instead of Marcus so that she'd get a Get Out Of The Boardroom Free card the next time the team screwed up. It was only when Marcus dug himself a verbal ditch did she dogpile. Smart play.
SeaBreeze341
Okay episode, I guess. It was nice to see Marshawn and Rebecca finally win again.

Also, a little something for me (Rebecca) and a little something for others (Randal) I suspect during that reward, where Rebecca doesn't get injured, thank goodness.

Also Clay? Shhh!

Markus? Well, he knows when to keep his mouth shut for the most part in the Boardroom. Unfortunately, when he's forced to speak, that's damaging.
YoureSoUrban
Kelly – ewww.

Alla is no joke. I’m starting to like her.

Marcus – "I come up with blockbuster ideas." Dude you WISH. And SHUT.UP. I thought he might pull out a gun when he started going off on Trump after his firing. What a freak.

Adam – I thought he was very poised, particularly in dealing w/ Marcus. But he has SO never had sex. Trump went on a little too long about sex. Ewww.

Adam, oh honey, beware. Clay is bit-ter.
MarchingOcelot
I didn't know it was possible for someone to speak for ten minutes at a time without saying a single thing. Markus is a human dispenser of word salad. A stream of consciousness set on shuffle.

Is it at all ironic that the person who takes so long to say anything suggested Time Management?

The sex and Adam questions were inappropriate and weird. Although possibly appropriate given that their seminar was on sexual harassment. It seemed like Carolyn, at one point, was thinking, "Oh, legal is going to have fun with this."

The anti-semitic inquiry was just weird.
Carrabuda

in the elevator, who was it who said "Don't talk to me"? Markus or one of the other guys?[/quote]
I think that was Clay, but am not sure why he was in such a snit. Anybody get that?

Markus: befuddled and belligerent to the end.

Four words, dude: Shut. The. Fuck. Up. (Or Get. To. The. Point.)
oldbabe
I couldn't stand Marcus, but this firing was wrong. He was not the reason they lost the task. Clay's presentation was so cringe-worthy, on so many levels, I can't believe DT gave him a pass. WTF?
jonathanacohen
"That's why restaurants have menus" - thank you, Trump, for explaining sexual orientation in your inimitable style.

Oh, the ick factor in this episode! Ass-slapping! Adam the virgin! Carolyn in the dress that was only missing the tassels on the ta-tas!

I'm surprised she didn't mention Markus playing with a YO-YO during the presentation. What a pretentious asshat he was. Loved the taxi blather.
NotTheBox
That was even better than last week. What the fuck was Markus playing with during the presentation? A Rubik's cube or something? WOW. He's even worse than I thought he was. Couldn't believe his comment to Trump: "IF you're sincere." It almost became uncomfortable- like you should feel sorry for him instead of laugh at him. Boy ain't right. But- he puts himself on my tv so I give myself permission to laugh at him.

Was Felicia chewing GUM on the way into the boardroom?

Why did Robin get up from the desk and lead them in? So many weird things this episode. Best episode ever. I laughed, I cried, I cringed in fear.... wow. Just- wow.
Lily Bart
God. Shut UP, Markus. I was kind of hoping Carolyn would lunge across the table and smack him, but firing is good too.

That was a damn good reward. I lurve Michael Kors, and thought Marshawn and Rebecca were cute shopping. I thought it was funny Alla's a fan of Kors though, since he's generally known for subdued, classic designs.
inanna
"I speak intelligently and to the point" or something to that effect. This gave me the biggest laugh of the night.

Also, sexual harassment suit anyone? Isn't asking potential employees about their sexual experience a little inappropriate?
Rowr17
Wow, the last 5 minutes of the show was awesome! Was he the reason they lost this task? Probably not. Am I glad he is gone? Hell yeah!

Because it can never be said often enough: Shut up Markus!

When Markus was Markusing about how they should give a class on time, was anyone else thinking that they didn’t have enough time to listen to him finish his thought?

His cab-terview was almost a good as last week's ride of shame. He speaks to the point, if by "to the point" he means he yammers on an on about absolutely nothing.
Brent724
That episode was bizarre.

Some of the things DT said in the boardroom were a little over the top. Asking Adam if he's ever had sex, telling him how great it is, a little too inapproriate.

Glad to see Markus gone. I wish he would have fired Clay too.
tiggeril
That was the grossest boardroom ever. I do NOT need to know about Trump's sex life, thank you.

Also: asking if someone's a virgin? Or if they're gay? Hello! ILLEGAL! Nice one, Trump.
msmplm
What did I miss - why was Clay so upset? I didn't hear anything from Adam to warrant that response.
Jer2002
So, is Adam a virgin or a prude?
BibiBella
Jodeci, I thought I heard Clay said (about Adam) during the seminar "he's the tight Jewish boy from Atlanta" -- with the implication that he's cheap. And that was deregatory. I don't blame Adam for being insulted.

Plus, Clay was clueless about the audience -- NY is a town with a huge Jewish population and you don't go spouting off things that could be seen as insults to a large portion of the audience. I thought he was tasteless with some of his other lines too, showing just how clueless he was about making the presentation in a tasteful, professional way.

But I'm glad Markus is gone...he realllllly doesn't get it and I doubt he ever will.
Paradise
Markus is an ass. So is Clay. I wish both would have gotten fired. But overall Markus was the correct choice. He's a mess. What a disgraceful exit! I can't believe he said "Do you really mean it?" to Trump... ARE YOU KIDDING? Markus should be kissing Trump's ass for keeping him as long as he did.

What was Clay so pissed about after the boardroom? He's a little asshole. I guess the truth hurts where he's concerned. That comment he made about being Jewish was totally inappropriate. He should thank Adam for saving his ass by telling Trump he didn't think Clay was anti-semetic (I'm not so sure)....

Also, how funny was it when Trump asked Adam if he ever had sex! I laughed my ass off. I mean, the answer is pretty obvious. No need to put the poor boy through that....
Tandemonium
Abuhdee, abuhdee, abuhdee....that's all folks.


What the fuck was Markus playing with during the presentation?[/quote]

Like jonathanacohen said, he was unravelling a yo-yo after taking it out of its box.

I really dug that one V-neck dress Rebecca put on. YOWZA!

That one guy sitting in the left chair in Big D's office setup...that was Little D, right? He has the whole second-generation pen-to-mouth forced look of interest that kids get when it's Bring Your Kid To Work Day. Adorkable, but not.
lessa2010
Well, um, yeah, I'm intelligent, and yeah, um, straight talker, and um, my ideas are to the um, uh, yeah, point. Jealous, yeah, that's right, of me, and my um, ability to talk coherently.

Markus you are such a dufus.


Though Clay, what the hell were you thinking. It's all in how you say it. Good gracious boy. Have alittle tact. If Markus wasn't such an idiot I'd be seriously upset that it wasn't you that was fired. You have no reason to be slamming around like a prima donna in a snit over being called on how you acted in the presentation.

So jealous of that reward and man did Rebecca look good in that dress. Bet Jen the beauty queen saw this and cried.

Hehehe.
BassetHound
I think it was Clay who said "don't talk to me" and I watched it four times on Tivo. Also, his generally pissy, rushing attitude into the suite, etc., leads me to believe he's pissed. I have to tell you, I think Clay may have been treated unfairly. Adam mentioned 2-3 times about being the "Jewish boy from Atlanta" and Clay was playing off that. I thought Clay was terribly awkward in his presentation, but his comment was NOT anti-semetic.

On a note upon which we can all agree, that GOD Markus is gone! What a self-deluded nut.
AuntieKaren

For God’s sack, I really think Adam took Clay’s Jewish comment completely wrong. I didn’t hear what Adam heard. I think Clay was just trying to make a play off of Adam’s whole “nice Jewish boy from Atlanta” (or wherever it was).[/quote]
I agree. When Adam interviewed that Clay implied he was cheap, I thought, nooooo, I don't think that's what Clay was implying! Methinks he was implying that Adam was a virgin, at least in one particular way.

Markus: shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up, SHUT UP!
crystalsage
The Donald's little "Get to the Point" sermon was the giveaway that Markus was going to be in the cab to Palookaville. What a moron. Randal is going to win. The interview is over. He is a standout - with class in abundance. Hey Rebecca, eat your words girl: "We are SO screwed!"
SeaBreeze341
Yeah, I agree, Brent; Trump was an ass in this episode. However, I did find it a bit amusing and not too offensive, given it's Trump.


Alla is no joke. I’m starting to like her.[/quote]

Alla has definitely improved since her win and the breakup of Bloven. Also, she's more attractive to me all of a sudden. Ditto for Felisha (except Alla has the edge with her skills and PM win).
RocketMelee
Delurking just to say:

Most. AWKWARD. Boardroom. EV-AAAAAAR!

Oh sweet merciful fates, if... if... if I were ever to be paternally lectured by Trump about sex I... I... I would just have to kill myself, guys. Seriously.

Oh god, even just watching that bit... I feel so unclean! I'm going to have to perform some elaborate purification ritual involving steel wool, lighter fluid, matches, holding my breath...

Poor, poor, probably-now-scarred-for-life Adam.

And Clay? Do you really need any more sweet, sweet Righteous Indignation Syrup poured on your steaming hot Bitchcakes?
Arkay
Wow, what a pimp the Donald is at heart! "You've gotta have sex! Sex is great! More sex! It's a yooge thing!"
I wonder how many laws he broke tonight, too...asking people if they have had sex, or about their proclivities.
Magsi2
Wow! You just knew CE was going to lose. Clay looked pissed when he was going back into the suite at the end. (Temper much?). I'm glad to see Markus gone, but her really wasn't why they lost this task. Clay's comments were (IMHO). Randal was awesome. He has this thing in the bag!

I loved watching them wait, and wait, and wait....that was good! Carolyn looked nice too. Trumpy was a bit inappropriate talking to Adam about sex too. I certainly wouldn't wish his whatever he said on Adam in 10 years...YIKES! Does he want him to be married and divorced, and married & divorced, and married......?

Alla kind of bugged tonight. She kept interrupting Adam in the BR. Just give the guy a minute. We knew she was safe, so chill woman!

Excel didn't show what Brian & Rebecca were doing "presentation-wise". I think Rebecca was offering drinks and Brian was handing out workbooks. I hope that they were better when they broke up into 4 groups. I'm guessing they each took one. Randal & Marshawn did very well speaking.
Baralai
Much as I cannot stand Clay, I think it was best that Markus go. He might not have been the primary reason for the loss, but he's bumbled once too many times. He seems the sort that's so smart, he's stupid and unable to articulate what he wants to say.

I just hope Clay follows. I sympathize with him sometimes, but GAH! I've wanted him gone for a long time. What a bratty loser. And his behavior to Adam was unforgivable. Pathetic.

At least Markus is interesting and amusing.


Was it just me, or were you rooting for TD to fire both Clay AND Markus?[/quote]

I was. They were the weakest members of their teams. Would have been fitting.
meowing
This has been one of the most entertaining episodes in quite a while, to say the least.

Randal should win the whole thing.
visamom
*sigh* FINALLY, that idiot is gone. Last week, he seemed so normal and coherent,with good ideas. This week he was back to his old self. That cab ride was very funny and very awkward.

Clay's an ass though, and I wouldn't have minded if he got fired. However, it would have been for the wrong reason because I don't think he said, "tight ass Jew". He said "tight Jew" as in uptight, not tight with money. That is how I heard it. I think he added the "Jew" in there because Adam himself mentioned it several times during that presentation. Nonetheless, he is a bitchy little ass. The "don't talk to me" and the suite door opening were a bit much. Puh-lease!

Randal in that suit at Kors' shop was HOT. Everyone was looking good in those clothes. Poor production assistant having to schlep Rebecca's bags all the way home!
Flavialynn
I believe "Don't talk to me" was from Clay to Adam. The "forceful door opening" was beyond ridiculous. If he was actually That Mad, why not use F.D.O. out of the boardroom, when the anger is fresh? Instead of waiting until 15 minutes later, when it becomes the equivalent of the horrid fake cry that kids do after the real tears are gone??? Because he'd be fired on the spot, that's why. Gross.

Markus in the cab was spectacular. "I speak to the point, I speak to the details, I go into detail" Wow...
My Way
This is one of the better apprentice's I've seen in a long time. There is a guy at work who talks like Marcus. Total word soup, not a complete thought in the mix and they always think they're the smartest one there. No, they're a complete idiot and thank god trump et all realized it and set him free.

I loved Carolyn's rant in the boardroom and how she had Marcus's number. I was actually glad that Clay stayed, I think he said a few inappropriate things, but it was all him trying to relate and bring people into the topic. Not wise. I do think that when he said "tight Jewish boy" he didn't mean it the way Adam took it. And Adam, if you don't want people to refer to your Jewishness in a presentation, maybe it would be better if you didn't talk about it either. They were both trying to relate to the audience, at least.

It was probably good that Trump didn't fire the guy who he asked if he was a homosexual and the guy who he asked if he had ever had sex. I really, really hope there are no managers watching this for interview hints, because they would be sued in a big way.
shea
Been away for a while. Can someone tell me: when did this show get so entertaining again? I almost gave it up after last season, but I found tonight a hoot.

The boardroom was a joke… literally. A virgin, a gay guy and an asshole go into a boardroom to get sex advice from Donald Trump…. You fill in the punch line.

I think they should have done a seminar on avoiding corporate-speak. Then they could have utilized their assets and executed their results. Huh?
tone

"That's why restaurants have menus" - thank you, Trump, for explaining sexual orientation in your inimitable style.[/quote]Well it wasn't that bad, since he did use steak and spaghetti for his metaphors. I was half expecting him to be more direct and compare sausages and muffins, and his preference.
lovefool1978
As thrilling as the carnage last week was, if Trump was going to fire a room full of people, it should have been this week. Could Clay be any bitchier?!?

I think after the thrill of seeing four people fired at once, this show is going to have to step it up. I mean, that was some good boardroom, and some excellently incomprehensible taxi muttering, but I need to see lots of people fired now.

Seriously, on the subject of whether or not it was okay for Clay to jump on Adam's "I'm a cheap Jew" train: it was not. My dad lost his last job for doing a similar thing in front of an African American audience. In a professional setting, when you're around people unlike you in some vital and sensitive way, and they're joking about themselves, you don't get to join in. People in a group get to make comments about their community without inviting others to do the same. That seems to me to be just a basic rule of professionalism. Clay may not be an anti-Semite - that's really not for me to say - but he is unprofessional.
tres francaise
Finally....a reward to truly die for!!! Alla was ready to do anything to do a quick team switch & go along to the Kors-fest.

Ah, the end of Markus. How many weeks overdue? Whatever he said in the cab was so incomprehensible that it doesn't even merit comment.

Looking at the teams now, how can anybody but Randal win? He has Rebecca & Marshawn, Brian...and on the other side, we see Alla (competent), Felisha (not), Adam (a nice Jewish boy from Atlanta, but....), & Clay ('nuf said).

And let's talk about Clay's remark to Adam at the end. Why or with whom is he so pissed, exactly?
anwen
I know that if this were anything resembling a real interview, I should be all shudder-y at Trump's "Are you a homosexual? Have you ever had sex?" questions, but the ridiculousness of it all just got me. "It's why they have menus in restaurants," indeed.

The phrases "classy workplace sex" and "Trump" do not need to be placed in my head at the same time, thank you.

I also kind of loved how Alla kept pushing Adam to tattle on more of Clay's dumbass comments--she kind of reminded me of a pageant mom or something.

And I suppose now we'll hear how "rude" it was of Adam to dare criticize Clay in the boardroom. All things considered, I thought Adam was pretty gracious about the whole thing. Shut up, Clay.
droolface
With "Sex in the Workplace", if it's not neatly structured, you're gonna a find a forum that can degenerate quickly. Make it useful. If they didn't know how to do this, then they should have stuck to a topic at least two are very comfortable with.

Second on the inappropriateness of The Donald's questions to Adam. WTF is it his business anyway? Adam's skirting the issue pretty much spoke for him. He did it well, but he should have stood up to Trump. I think he was relieved because he sensed he wasn't going to be fired.

Markus was the obvious choice to go.
tiggeril
Carolyn was in fine form tonight. Both she and George were, for that matter. I love when both Viceroys really dig their claws in during the Boardroom.

I will be a happy camper if I never hear Trump say "sex" again.
Culturemaven
Oh thank god they canned Markus. I know he's not why they lost the task, but he's just impossible. I don't feel bad for him at all. Didn't produce anything, wasted time, bloviated, and was suck on the team energy.

I just can't believe that Trump was so...wow...open about pursuing issues of people's sexuality and virginity in the boardroom. That was so...awkward and not needed. And then all I couild think of was Trump having sex, and that's just so icky that I can't even stand it. ::shudder::

Thought Randal's team rocked. I think Randal, Marshawn and Alla are all final four material.

ETA I think the Clay was so upset with Adam because Adam went after him the boardroom. I think Clay really thinks he's actually quite brilliant, and doesn't like being crossed. It reminded me of Kristi's snotty "Don't even..." to Jenthura. And, I hated Josh for saying this, but Clay is a little bitch.

Also - I LOVE that they just sat around waiting for those four to come back, and they just didn't. Awesome.
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