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SeaBreeze341

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:17 pm

Randal should win the whole thing.[/quote]

ITA. He's 2-0 unlike anyone else. And no losing PM has ever won the Apprentice. Sorry Adam; Randal's the man. Please don't fuck up.

Rowdy Marky Piperdown needed to go, but Clay should've also followed, and was lucky that the massive firing occurred, because it would've happened. God help Clay should he lose as PM in the future.

SchoolofRock

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:17 pm

Oh my god, now that was truly the Best. Boardroom. Ever. The discussion of Adam's sex life/lack thereof vs. Donald's sex life was both awesome and appalling and therefore, fascinating. I don't know how the hell Adam dealt with it so calmly but he gets major credit from me for that.

How funny that Markus was such a fucking child about his firing, after he criticized Adam for being immature, Markus then makes the most childish and spiteful exit in Apprentice history. OMAROSA left with more dignity than Markus. As did TORAL. The cab ride was priceless.

And Clay was such an ass tonight – he defintely went overboard in the 'seminar', but I don't think he's an anti-Semite, I do think that hearing Adam refer to himself as a "Jewish boy" a lot thru out the presentation, Clay just picked up on that. It came out WAY wrong and it was UNcomfortable for sure though.

Cannot wait to re-watch this on CNBC, this was a total hoot!

Brent724

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:17 pm

Yeah, I agree, Brent; Trump was an ass in this episode. However, I did find it a bit amusing and not too offensive, given it's Trump.[/quote]

I found it amusing too... but that's the way I am. I can see where people could easily be offended.

foultemptress

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:19 pm

Since most of my thought have already been voiced by others I'll just say: Shirtless! Randal!

The Palace Worm

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:19 pm

First of all, Odyssea, I think I can answer your question, as it was on my mind as well. I think that Clay said that to Max Fischer (damn, it's been awhile since I've seen Rushmore glad to see he's on the show) That's what I thought.

Um, Clay, you are an ASSHOLE. What makes you think that I even WANT to talk to you at all?

And, since we're on the subject, let me tell you something. My boss at work is gay. And he's one of the coolest guys I've had the pleasure of knowing. And we DO make fun of each other. He tells me all the things he wants to do to Rob Thomas, and I just laugh and say, "Dude! I don't want to hear that!" But I have NEVER called him "faggot". The idea wouldn't even cross my mind. And the thing is, I could probably get away with it, because we have a good relation and all, but there's just some things you don't do, on the grounds it MIGHT be TAKEN OFFENSIVE! If you don't know that by now, you don't deserve to be here. So Clay, stop acting like you're untouchable no matter what you do. It's actually starting to disgust me.

But not nearly as much as Trump disgusted me tonight. "I didn't know he was gay." Um, like, big fuckin deal. Did you not fire him just because you didn't want to offend him? That sounds like something you'd do. "Um, Adam, have you ever had sex?" Hey Don, FUCK YOU! What the hell was that? And then proceeded to lecture him about how great it is? Um, get out of Trumpland, you're not his freaking dad. And to hear him talk about how sex is always classy, and how great it is....Well, maybe to him.....Let's ask Ivana and Marla what it was like for them.

Normally I don't like Carolyn too much, but after all, she DID decide to fire Markus tonight. I think it may have pissed off George a bit, but Carolyn delivered the one-two punch that finally got it into Trump's head, what we've been saying all along, "He's useless, he's all talk and no action, he's a whiner." And then, Markus had the gall to bitch out the Boardroom? God, even Omarosa attempted to look like she had some class!

Ohhh! Kelly at his pretend job! Ohhh! I am like, so impressed.

Well, those are my thoughts!

TheWildBoo

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:19 pm

I thought I heard Clay said (about Adam) during the seminar "he's the tight Jewish boy from Atlanta" -- with the implication that he's cheap. And that was deregatory. I don't blame Adam for being insulted.

Plus, Clay was clueless about the audience -- NY is a town with a huge Jewish population and you don't go spouting off things that could be seen as insults to a large portion of the audience. I thought he was tasteless with some of his other lines too, showing just how clueless he was about making the presentation in a tasteful, professional way.[/quote]

I agree totally. Clay was not making a derogatory comment about the fact that Adam is Jewish - he was making a derogetory comment that Jews are cheap. The conversation went something like this:

Adam: I wouldn't want to spend money on a date...
Clay: that's right, 'cause he's a tight Jew.

Obviously Adam is the one that brought up his Jewishness, so if Clay had simply made reference to him being Jewish in some other context there would have been no offense. It was the "tight" part that was the insult.

Furthermore, Adam's personal reaction to the comment was only half the issue. More important, as stated above, was the fact that it was completely inappropriate to make in front of an audience, especially an audience of New Yorkers. I might make a comment like that to a friend in private, who understands I'm kidding, but not in front of strangers.

In other news, I have a major girl-crush on Alla.

Knick

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:18 pm

Lots to chew on from this episode.

I rather liked the long, extended Aspiring Corporate Weasel Death Watch. My first instinct when Alla (I think) pointed out that it was midnight, was to shout: "Maybe they turned into Pumpkins!"

Aaaannyway, why is Sex in the workplace even remotely a good idea as a topic? It can be interesting and fun, but unless people are learning something, I would have been uncomfortable too. As it stood, that was downright squirmy to watch.

On a shallow note, Marshawn is quite lovely.

I think Clay needs a bit of a smack upside the head. Okay, so did Markus--Adam handled that the right way, taking him aside, and telling him that he has to contribute and so on--but Markus is utterly unable to comprehend. It's like there is some blockage that prevents him from understanding other people's points. He can smile and nod, and that is about it. Sort of like the two incompetant guards in Castle Swamp. The result? Markus burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp.

Clay was PISSED at the end. Even seeing him walk into the suite, slamming the door. Obviously unhappy at being called out on his condescending attitude. Obviously a shy Jewish boy like Adam could not possibly be as worldly as Clay. Ugh. There is no room for attitude like that in the workplace. At least Adam accepted his apology.

Markus in the cabterview was comedy gold. Excellent.

tiggeril

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:20 pm

I'll throw in that I wasn't offended by anything Trump said during the BR, just squicked out because, you know, it's Trump.

stopeslite

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:19 pm

That was quite surreal. Talking about Clay and gayness, Trump giving Adam sex pointers (ewwwww), it was just completely.... unprofessional. Wait, sort of like doing interviews on reality tv based on made-up tasks. I was positive this was the one that Alla's stripper past would come up on, but I guess not.

That said, it was the best played boardroom I've seen in a long, long time, from both sides. I don't think Adam was really offended at Clay's Jew comments, he just saw it as an easy way to drum him out quickly (especially since George is apparently Jewish). Then, when he realized that Trump was smelling blood from Markus' direction, he did a complete turnaround, exonerated Clay, and went for the jugular on ol' runnymouth.
Trump earned himself some love from me tonight, toying with them all that way. He kept building up as if for a smackdown on one of them, then blindsiding the guy next to him, then as soon as that guy was positive he was going downstairs, zipping over to the other one. The look on Adam's face at the end was that he was sure that sentence was going to end in his firing, then suddenly it was Markus! He was saved! Whaaa?

I also think that Carolyn masterminded the entire thing. It looked like Trump really was debating between firing Clay and Adam, and Carolyn kept chiming in to remind him of how much of an ass Markus was. Trump bought right into it. And she was looking mighty fine in the dress. Yea Carolyn! Way to force the producers to let you look pretty!

Markus - my god, SHUT UP. That was the most beautifully self-delusional thing I've ever seen, watching him argue with Trump ON THE WAY OUT of the boardroom, then taking three minutes and five million stuttered starts to say that he's a good speaker with good ideas.

Clay - I'm not sure why he seemed to have such a hissy fit on the way back into the suite, slamming the doors around. Sure, Adam had a mark on you, but that's the way the game goes. That's how it works. Then he redeemed you, and the Donald actually said that you were saved because of what Adam said, so stop beeing so pissy.

Adam - He is absolutely adorable. Loved him, loved him, loved him. Which was strange, because I really didn't know he existed before this week.

Task - strange. Why is it, that when one team did great and the other bombed, that the scores were almost identical? What would they have done if all the comments were clearly great/sucked but the scores barely went the other way?

Rowr17

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:20 pm

Randal should win the whole thing.[/quote]

ITA. He's 2-0 unlike anyone else. And no losing PM has ever won the Apprentice. Sorry Adam; Randal's the man. Please don't fuck up.[/quote]

I third that sentiment. I think it is very telling that he is always the one the other team picks when then have the choice. I think he and Alla are the final two, and it will be a little more competative than Kendra vs. the Bedazzled Pretzel Queen of S3.

PinkyTuscadero

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:20 pm

I agree. When Adam interviewed that Clay implied he was cheap, I thought, nooooo, I don't think that's what Clay was implying! Methinks he was implying that Adam was a virgin, at least in one particular way.
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Agreed. Clay was simply playing off of Adams "nice Jewish Boy" comment.

Hated this episode and thought the firing was ridiculous. If the reason Marcus was fired was due to lack of contribution, then why not bring Felisha in and fire her, too?

This task was lost due to Adam's poor management. He wasn't behind the topic, there was absolutely no message assigned to the discussion, there was no structure nor were there any guidelines as to how far was too far. The topic was Sex at Work, for christ's sake, and Adam is going to get pisse dat Clay because Clay makes a sexual reference? Thenm, Adam turns around and tries to blame that on Clay's homosexuality? there was absolutely NO reason for that to come up in that boardroom. None. It ended up sounding like they Adam and Alla were saying that, because Clay was gay, that made people uneasy. They totally sounded like they were implying "Oh, you know how gay guys are...they're always acting innapropriately and saying innapropriate things." Personally, I think Adam was uncomfortable with the subject not because he's a virgin but because he's gay and still in the closet.

It was bullshit and I agree with Marcus that he was railroaded. He was never going to win, nor should he, but he wasn't why they lost that task. His master plan may have been "Heh, watch this...I'll do absolutely nothing on thsi task, we'll lose, and they'll find a way to blame me." Well, Marcus, your little litmus test worked.

Revbecca needs to stop with the whining and complaining and contribute. She and Brian both act like they're so much smarter than everyone else. RTebecca does alot of pointing out flaws but never seems to come up with or offer solutions. And, how much longer is she going to play the hostess role in tasks?

Lisetta

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:23 pm

Also: asking if someone's a virgin? Or if they're gay? Hello! ILLEGAL! Nice one, Trump. [/quote]

Illegal, yes. And how clueless are Trump/Burnett to televise him asking it? Adam can claim discrimination in (not) hiring him eventually, too. And maybe harm to his reputation out in the real world after this broadcast.

Oh, please! Won't some lawyer see this and convince Adam to sue this ignorant, pretentious, homophobic and sexist jackass?

Even with lawyer's fees, the Trump harrassment lawsuit would easily be worth more than the measley $250,000 the "winner" gets.

midnightoil

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:22 pm

I understand that part of The Apprentice deal is for Trump to give the kids a taste of their possible future success. "Someday you may live in a penthouse. Someday you may have dinner and caviar on a luxury yacht. Someday you may hob nob with George Steinbrenner and wear tuxedos on a weekly basis." But I wasn't expecting "Someday you may have sex."

LaCaterina

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:22 pm

I love the Editors for making Marcus' last words "I don't have a clue."

Boriscat

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:23 pm

Hee. I thought for a minute there that The Donald was going to take Adam out, get him drunk and hire him a hooker.

I, for one, will miss Markus. The boy is pure entertainment. I can't imagine how in the world he ever got through any kind of interview process to get on this show in the first place. I wonder if they chose him just to drive TD crazy. Markus definitely seemed off his meds tonight.

mjs1777

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:23 pm

"If you're sincere."

Wow. Just wow. Who says that at the end of an interview? What a stupid stupid man. I'm so glad he's gone.

BibiBella

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:23 pm

Adam: I wouldn't want to spend money on a date...
Clay: that's right, 'cause he's a tight Jew.

Obviously Adam is the one that brought up his Jewishness, so if Clay had simply made reference to him being Jewish in some other context there would have been no offense. It was the "tight" part that was the insult.[/quote]

TheWildBoo, thanks for putting that line in context...I had forgotten what Adam had said and given what he said, one can easily see the insult in what Clay said.

PinkyTuscadaro, I think if you look at Clay's comment in light of what Adam had just said, you can see the insult...it was not just a play on Adam being Jewish, IMO, but YMMV.

I hope Clay is fired next...his dramatics and sassy/sour attitude are just way too much (wasn't he the one going nuts on Alla last week, 'holding her hands' when he pulled her aside, like a child would do with his mom? Weird and so unprofessional).

Obladi

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:24 pm

(But make no mistake, because I've seen this defense by him and maybe others, he wasn't calling him "tight" as in uptight, he was calling him a cheap Jew bastard.)[/quote]

Adam said that Clay only said 'Jew', but I remember him saying 'Jewish boy'. Did Clay ever say 'Jew'?

I think Adam or Alla are sick of working w/Clay and decided this was the best time to railroad him. Alla added on with these various claims that he had spoken about Jews over and over, implying he gave a speech laced with anti-Semitism. She never backed this up, nor did Adam. Then as soon as Alla is gone, Adam states Clay is not anti-Semetic. I can see why Adam was upset but even he gave mixed messages on how offended he was by Clay's statement. It came across like gameplaying.

If Clay thought he was being railroaded on something he didn't say, then he was right to be mad. If he was being a pissy brat, then he will ostracize himself even more and be the next one fired. I think, or hope, he is able enough to put this behind him instead of only embarrassing himself more. Clay or Felisha is PM next, and considering the horrible job she did the last time around, they should avoid her. But Alla probably will not let them pick anyone but her hand puppet.

Alla bugs me on several occasions. I cringed when she told them after the loss that there was always another task, not to get upset. Easy for her to say when she is exempt.

Randal deserved an exemption but Trump almost ordered his team to exempt him. A bit much.

MetropolisGal

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:25 pm

For God’s sack, I really think Adam took Clay’s Jewish comment completely wrong. I didn’t hear what Adam heard. I think Clay was just trying to make a play off of Adam’s whole “nice Jewish boy from Atlanta” (or wherever it was).

I agree. When Adam interviewed that Clay implied he was cheap, I thought, nooooo, I don't think that's what Clay was implying! [/quote]

Uh, there are several meanings for the word "tight", one of which is "cheap". And it is NOT a word that I would ever use in the same sentence as JEWISH, because to a lot of people it plays into the stereotype of Jewish people being misers.

Also, it is NOT being a member of the PC police if a member of an ethnic group points out that something someone said is offensive to them. Quite frankly, I think that idea is used by people who are pissed that they can't make their stupid remarks about various ethnic groups anymore.

What Clay said was wrong and inappropriate, no matter how he meant it.

growsonwalls

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:24 pm

That might be the funniest Apprentice epi this season. Trump asking Adam if he's a virgin was surreal, as was his bragging about how great sex is. Ew.
Can you imagine his combover during the horizontal mambo?

I LOVED Carolyn tonight, and how she called Markus on his shit: "Cover your ass strategy." And wow she looked hot in that flapper-style dress.

Lily Bart

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:26 pm

Kendra vs. the Bedazzled Pretzel Queen of S3.[/quote]

I just snorted 7-Up.

Personally, I think Adam was uncomfortable with the subject not because he's a virgin but because he's gay and still in the closet.[/quote]

I didn't get that impression. Adam may be inexperienced and conservative, but I don't think his discomfort is any indication of his sexual orientation or history. Some people just don't like discussing sex or hearing rambling speeches about it.

Jay El Yo 122

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:27 pm

Trump really backed himself into a corner. He couldn't fire Clay right after asking if he was gay--what an easy lawsuit that would have been for Clay to win. Luckily for him, Markus acted enough like Markus to give Trump another firing target.

Knick

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:26 pm

It was bullshit and I agree with Marcus that he was railroaded. He was never going to win, nor should he, but he wasn't why they lost that task.[/quote]

I think it was the right call. It would have helped if Markus had not talked like some freakish genetic experiment consisting of an agglomeration of every corporate-speak buzzword randomly strung into never-ending sentences. Plus, he smokes, quite literally, like a chimney. He added nothing and contributed nothing.

boxen

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:26 pm

That was just brilliant.

There is a guy in my office who could be Markus' younger, less eloquent brother. (He once interrupted a meeting to talk about the Tour d'France--not the actual race or the racers, but to point out with whispered fascination that the racers sweat "down there." "Down there," being delivered in a hushed tone with a finger point to his crotch.) Watching the show tonight was like sweet, sweet vindication by proxy. Markus being fired fulfilled several of my fantasies.

Having to work with a guy like Markus is like having a lingering turd in the pool. Loved watching him fnur fnur (TM Jacob) his way through the boardroom.

fnur fnur. Actually, I just like making the fnur fnur sound.

letthereberock

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:26 pm

Wow, great episode, best this season probably.

Carolyn....Mrrrrrow!!!

Is it me, or did Kelly look REALLY awkward and uncomfortable in his little cameo?

Markus can not be for real. No way. No one is that stupid. Yes, the cab ride and boardroom were hilarious, but man...something is up here.

The funny thing about this task is, in the end, weren't the scores pretty close? It seemed like they tried to make it seem like Excel won easily.

Yes, Randall is a great public speaker. But did anyone else think of the Chris Rock routine when George said "He speaks really well!".

AlmondEyes

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:26 pm

What the hell is wrong with Trump? Why on earth is it ever appropriate to ask potential employees if they're gay, or if they've had sex before?! God, he is a sexual harassment lawsuit just waiting to happen.

So what was that team's (there's too much reshuffling and I can't keep track anymore) point with Sex At Work? I was seriously scratching my head. Were they trying to instruct people on how to have sex at work? Why on earth did anyone think that subject constitutes a Learning Annex class, as opposed to something to talk about with friends at dinner?

Trump should have brought back Jenthura and Co., then fired that entire team.

And yeah, Clay . . . way to alienate a yooge portion of your audience. [whisper] Umm, in case ya didn't know. . . NYC has a yooge Jewish population, moron. Shut it with the dumb-ass comments. [/whisper] Though it didn't matter if he was talking about Jews or any other group, to me. It was inappropriate to voice that, and it sure as hell won't help you in the positive audience comments arena.

Why was Clay being so demeaningful to Adam in the elevator? Hate. him. As for Adam - wow. A thirtysomething virgin? My vote goes to he's gay and in denial.

Randall rocked, as usual. He's just wrapped in a huge blanket of awesome. Does a halo follow him wherever he goes?

Oh, and if anyone's seen any cogent, valuable point that Markus has ever made, please call 577-TIPS.

eta:

Is it me, or did Kelly look REALLY awkward and uncomfortable in his little cameo?[/quote]
No, it's not just you. Kelly = "awkward and uncomfortable." God, I wanted to slap him.

DashRashi

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:27 pm

All right now. Adam repeatedly called himself a "nice Jewish boy from Atlanta." Let's call that Exhibit 1: Adam places his ethnicity on the table. Then: Adam reveals he is uncomfortable talking about sex. Let's call that Exhibit 2: Adam is a tight-ass. Then Clay repeatedly says "ass" in his presentation and gets funny looks from his team-mates. Let's call that Exhibit 3: Clay learns to stop saying "ass."

Now. Clay says blah blah "this tight [half pause] Jewish boy."

We all got that?

Clay takes up Adam's very own theme and WORD CHOICE, namely, that Adam is a Jewish boy who is uncomfortable with sex (ergo, a tight-ass), and catches himself in the middle of saying "ass" again, and it comes out "tight Jewish boy."

Let's also establish that "Jewish" is not derogatory, especially if the Jewish person says it first. "Jew" is more likely to be derogatory, similar to the way that "Chinese" is not derogatory, and, say, "Chinaman" would be. Why? Because it's not nice to call a person a noun relating to their ethnicity, because it rhetorically implies that that is all they are. Adjectives, however, modify nouns, such as "boy," and are fair game if the adjective in question is already on the table. Clay was taking Adam's own words, and using them in a teasing way.

Adam: Clay did not call you a "tight Jew." You just defamed him on national television. You should be ashamed of yourself. Jesus, shades of Stacy the munchkin. Lighten the fuck up, also.

God, I can't believe I'm defending that pain in the ass Clay. I guess I just feel bad for him, because that is ALWAYS ME in class or presentations, who busts out the curse word before it's been established that that's okay. I have accidentally pioneered the use of the word "shit" in three out of five classes this semester. It's embarrassing, and you kind of just have to go with it, because it's so much worse if you try to apologize or whatever.

nanasez

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:27 pm

I have to tell you, I think Clay may have been treated unfairly. Adam mentioned 2-3 times about being the "Jewish boy from Atlanta" and Clay was playing off that. I thought Clay was terribly awkward in his presentation, but his comment was NOT anti-semetic.[/quote]
I agree. Adam brought up the Jewish angle himself, and mentioned it more than once. Clay was dumb and awkward in the way he tried to play off of it.

I think some of his pissiness with Adam is that Adam kept claiming that Clay called him a "tight ass Jew," which isn't what Clay said. I totally believe that Adam THOUGHT he heard "tight assed Jew," but that's not what Clay said, so I can see why he'd feel a bit pissed.

Also, Adam really made the whole thing so personal. He was so focused on "Clay made Jew comments, more than one Jew comment, he made Jew comments!" It was Clay's OTHER comments that probably caused more discomfort.

Of course, no matter how bad Clay was, there was no way Trump could fire him just minutes after learning that Clay is gay. That would have been horrible press. Clay's outing to Trump probably saved him tonight.

Not sorry to see Markus go. The man can't spit out a thought to save his life, and he has zero self-awareness. What an idiot. I'm just sorry Carolyn didn't confront him about playing with a yo-yo while his team was presenting to the class. Jerk.

Trump's comments to Adam were as bad as Clay's remarks in the presentation. Perhaps he wouldn't have gone home after all. But you never know. It would be so Trumpy to fire someone for doing a thing that Trump does himself.

thuganomics85

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:27 pm

"That's why restaurants have menus. Some people order steak. Other order spaghetti." What? I've ordered both in my lifetime I've even got both at the sametime. Does that make me a bisexual, Trump?

Finally! Markus is gone! That stupid, bumbling, idiotic, dumbass of a fool is finally gone! I had him pegged as a goner this episode, and I'm glad Trump came through.

I don't think Clay is anti-Semetic. I don't think he ment anything about it. But that was still a stupid thing to say. And he really did suck at the presentation. And his hissy fit was annoying. Your on borrowed time, jerk.

Yay! Randal won again. I was worried for a second because of Brian's complaining, and Rebecca's "Were are so screwed!" comment, but I'm glad he proved those two wrong. If he plays his cards right, he's defintley in the F4. Personally, I think Trump should just go ahead and hire him.

Besides Marshawn and Randal, what did the other Excel members do during the presentation? I saw Rebecca greeting, but that was it. It probably was a good idea, since Brian and Rebecca didn't seem to have their hearts in it.

Adam made some mistakes, but I think he's okay. And he did a decent job in the boardroom. He never really seemed to be in any danger.

ETA:

Randal deserved an exemption but Trump almost ordered his team to exempt him. A bit much.[/quote]

Heh. I do agree. Trump might have been asking Brian/Rebecca/Marshawn about the exemption, but I could tell that he really was saying "Give Randal the exemption, or we are going to have our 'first massive firing on the winning team' in a few moments."

Obladi

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:28 pm

Uh, there are several meanings for the word "tight", one of which is "cheap". And it is NOT a word that I would ever use in the same sentence as JEWISH, because to a lot of people it plays into the stereotype of Jewish people being misers.[/quote]

I can understand why Adam was offended, but during the presentation he did describe himself as being very conservative. One meaning of conservative is 'tight'. I think what was or was not supposed to be said was very blurry, and when Clay realized Adam was offended, he apologized.

canuck31003

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:28 pm

Random thoughts:

1) Ugh. Having to listen to Trump talk about sex was icky.

2) I guess Marcus contributed the least, but I wish both Clay and Marcus had been fired.

3) The agony of listening to Marcus would be entirely worth it if he gains some self-awareness--Yes, Marcus, you do talk too much. Get to the point! Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he's learned anything.

4) Wow, Clay was certainly angry. I hope he calms down and puts the boardroom behind him.

5) What was with Robin opening the door for the candidates? Can't they do it themselves? It's not like she was helping Rebecca or anything.

erik316wttn

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:29 pm

Watching Trump talk to Adam was like when your dad talks to you about "the birds and the bees."

I'm shocked he didn't say "It's a very special experience, and be sure she's a nice girl, and that you use protection. Now, let's go out and play catch!"

Slade2

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:30 pm

Alla is incredibly unattractive. Dark Crystal muppet, indeed!

I don't know what Markus is.

I was actually glad that Clay stayed, I think he said a few inappropriate things, but it was all him trying to relate and bring people into the topic. Not wise. I do think that when he said "tight Jewish boy" he didn't mean it the way Adam took it. And Adam, if you don't want people to refer to your Jewishness in a presentation, maybe it would be better if you didn't talk about it either. [/quote]
Absolutely. Clay was ridiculous, but he did not imply Adam was a "cheap Jew." He was playing off of Adam's "I'm a nice Jewish" schtick, implying Adam was uptight. He said "And don't forget, he's a tight Jew from Atlanta." He really should have said "uptight" but I think he was going for a virgin subtext, not a cheap one. Believe me, I have no love for Clay and I believe he was a fool during the presentation, but it annoyed me that Adam turned that statement around the way he did. Even Alla was trying to steer Adam away from the Jewish comment stuff to concentrate on the many other inappropriate things Clay said that would have surely sent him home if Adam had focused.

stopeslite

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:29 pm

It was bullshit and I agree with Marcus that he was railroaded.[/quote]

I don't think so. It all goes back to the argument we keep having over and over, whether a firing should be based on specific task-related incompetence or cumulative generalized incompetence. Trump has never really decided, and keeps on vacillating between the two. Tonight he decided on the cumulative incompetence "I hate you and you'll never work for me" angle. I think that was the right decision, especially since this task didn't really have much to do with any actual apprenti-ish duties, and they all kind of sucked equally in the presentation. Instead of a mass firing because they all stunk, he went with the guy with a long track record of stinkage.

TheWildBoo

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:29 pm

Adam said that Clay only said 'Jew', but I remember him saying 'Jewish boy'. Did Clay ever say 'Jew'?[/quote]

Yes. Adam said he didn't want to spend money and Clay said "remember, this the tight Jew talking."

DeepInTheHeart

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:30 pm

Although possibly appropriate given that their seminar was on sexual harassment.[/quote]I'm not sure about this. I didn't see any mention of "sexual harrassment" in the planning or presentation and felt that to be a major flaw. You can most certainly teach a class about sexual harrassment: how it's defined, what the risks are, how to deal with the various situations. It's all legal and can actually be pretty boring unless you start citing examples of what is NOT appropriate. That can be pretty fun -- especially if you act it all out. But I guess they didn't have any lawyers on the team (??). Just talking about "office intimacy" starts nowhere and goes nowhere.

Clay is fried. Adam is probably tagged for being "young and soft" (but I think he did well under very challenging circumstances -- both during the task and in the boardroom). Felica appears to be a non-entity. That leaves the "strong 5": Randal, Rebecca, Brian, Marshawn, and Alla. I'd opt for Randal vs. Rebecca or Randal vs. Alla in the final, but I'm expecting Randal vs. Marshawn simply because it would present good demographics for the show. Still, that final 5 would be a whole lot better than anything we've seen since Season One.

Markus had to be a plant. No one can be that delusional in real life (er, well, I guess there's Melissa and then there's Toral .. been a crop of them this season).

P.S. I think we can easily call Marcus "anti-semantic."

Lisetta

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:31 pm

You understand this isn't a real job interview, don't you? The contestants on this game show sign a contract about 3 inches thick saying anything goes.[/quote]
Oh, you could argue in court that it -is- a job interview, quoting Trump saying it is...salary, etc. I know Burnett has them sign their rights away in minute detail, but I think it anyone really challenged that document in court, a judge would find it waaayyy overstepped what a tv producer is entitled to require of people.

Imo, a suit would have a very good chance in court. And an even better chance of being settled for a nice sum out of court. (And, more importantly, sending a much needed message to the ever-assy Trump in the process...)

whyohwhy

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:32 pm

I have a FEVER! And the only cure is MORE cleavage!

Carolyn rocks!

gastrolyor

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:32 pm

I enjoyed this boardroom so much more than the last one. Sometimes, I swear to God, I think Trump is autistic. He has absolutely no ability to read social situations. The bit about sex getting him into trouble and costing him money with Carolyn laughing in the corner? That was priceless.

What Clay said was stupid, although I don't think it was premeditated bigotry. And I thought Adam was extremely mature throughout the entire episode -- he tried to deal with Markus, and after the task, he immediately took Clay aside and told him why he was offended, then accepted Clay's apology. He didn't bring up Clay's comment as "It was the scariest thing in my life and I had go to HIDE IN A CORNER," but rather, "It offended me, this is why I was offended, and this is how I think it hurt us during the task," which is worlds more professionalism than we've seen from most candidates. He was able to identify and explain his objections on a personal and business level, and that takes doing. That he then went to bat for Clay as a person (saying he didn't think Clay was anti-semitic) while also saying that he think Clay hurt their score shows incredible maturity.

Alla also handled herself well. I loved her comments in the kitchen about wanting to win. Her wardrobe may be a bit off (although the colour of her top matched Trump's tie tonight -- that amused me), but she's got a sharp mind and knows what's going on, and she's good at keeping people on task and moving.

The first few minutes of the episode were absolutely priceless. I can't believe they just left them hanging.

Cassie

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:33 pm

The boardroom was a joke… literally. A virgin, a gay guy and an asshole go into a boardroom to get sex advice from Donald Trump…. You fill in the punch line[/quote]

I thought for a minute there that The Donald was going to take Adam out, get him drunk and hire him a hooker.[/quote]
Reading about this episode is funny. Watching it was really uncomfortable.

I wondered why the scores were so close. The editing made the presentations look miles apart.

radiostar

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:34 pm

I loved Donald's "Are you a homosexual? Did you know he was a homosexual? Did you? Carolyn, you knew? Why didn't anybody tell me?" He sounded very little kid left out of the gossip.

Didn't Clay say, word for word, 'tight little Jewish boy'? It's definitely not appropriate, and I think that he was the reason that they lost, but I'm not sure where Adam got the 'tight ass Jew' from.

Donald Trump lecturing Adam about sex was extremely creepy. Good for him for saying he didn't feel comfortable addressing his sexual experience in the boardroom, but it really should have been dropped there.

Happy to see Marcus gone, although I managed to get past the point where he was irritating and onto hilarious.

Songdog

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:33 pm

Nominated for the TWP Lexicon:
"Markusing" (tm Rowr17) v. to Markus
When Markus was Markusing about...
potentially also n. Markusing
Markusing in the boardroom drives Trump...

Hail Rowr17

Bad Hair Day

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:33 pm

Watching Markus tonight, all I could think was "who does he remind me of?"" He reminds me so much of somebody..."

Then it hit me:

Markus is Rupert Pupkin. Trump better be careful or he may end up tied to a chair getting a lapdance from Sandra Bernhard.

DashRashi

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:33 pm

Can somebody with Tivo settle this? I distinctly heard Clay say "Jewish boy," but others are insisting they heard plain old "Jew."

lauriecake

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:34 pm

Carolyn looked so pretty when they were announcing the results. If only her hair was that good every week.

That was the most disturbing boardroom ever. I hope I never hear Trump talk about sex ever again.

TheWildBoo

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:34 pm

All right now. Adam repeatedly called himself a "nice Jewish boy from Atlanta." Let's call that Exhibit 1: Adam places his ethnicity on the table. Then: Adam reveals he is uncomfortable talking about sex. Let's call that Exhibit 2: Adam is a tight-ass. Then Clay repeatedly says "ass" in his presentation and gets funny looks from his team-mates. Let's call that Exhibit 3: Clay learns to stop saying "ass."

Now. Clay says blah blah "this tight [half pause] Jewish boy."

We all got that?

Clay takes up Adam's very own theme and WORD CHOICE, namely, that Adam is a Jewish boy who is uncomfortable with sex (ergo, a tight-ass), and catches himself in the middle of saying "ass" again, and it comes out "tight Jewish boy."[/quote]

That's an interesting interpretation. I agree that might be what happened. I do agree with Adam that Clay is NOT anti-semetic. But he said what he said, even if it was an accident, and taken in the context (ie immediately after Adam made a comment about not spending money) it came out as extroadinarily offensive. Intent doesn't count for much in public speaking.

heebiejeebie

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:34 pm

I thought it interesting that George seemed to step back a little from the attack on Clay. I think he realized that tightassed Jew and tight Jew are two different things. Both offensive. Both inappropriate. And watching Trump channel Markus during hsi whole "gay is okay" speech made the episode all worth the while. Clay though is such a prissy bitch. I was actually kind of rooting for him to at least outlast Felicia but tonight? He was so the first class flight attendent who thinks my ticket says coach and can't take the time to actually read the damn thing.

Markus. Damn. He is so Rain Main. Suffering from a forty year drought.

mcjdesq

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:34 pm

Task - strange. Why is it, that when one team did great and the other bombed, that the scores were almost identical? What would they have done if all the comments were clearly great/sucked but the scores barely went the other way?[/quote]

I was thinking the exact same thing? WTF -- and the comments were so opposite, it really made it seem as if the numbers were going to be a 0 v. 10!!!

It was so funny -- "This is a big reason you could never work for me!" -- Not I have a problem with what you do or what you did, but you could never work for me. When Trump said that to SCHMarkus (for that SCHmuck Marcus), I just wanted to die laughing.

Carolyn looked GOOD!!!

I know they edit the show to make the most dramatic tv, but I seriously suspect we are missing a lot of what happened between Adam and Clay. Clay could not have gotten that far in life having a hissy fit in public over nothing.

As a lawyer, I just held my head in my hands, saying "Thank God Trump is not my client!" And also "Let me check the releases these people signed and make sure we're not going to get sued over this BR."

Oh Randal......I thought I had a chance until I read your bio and you said you were happily married -- why couldn't you just be plain ole married, like Trump????? Oh, because it would have cost you a lot of money and you might someday be on television telling a guy whom you think is a virgin how much he's going to love f*cking?????? Well, I guess that makes sense.

Now, let's see, he's never thought about Clay being gay, but he's thought about Adam being a virgin?? I need a drink on that one.

Oh, and as much as I hate SCHMarkus, I give him props for acknowledging with thanks (however messed up it was) George's and Carolyn's presence and participation on the show. If contestants leaving the boardroom ever make a comment, it's usually only to Trump. So kudos for that, SCHMarkus -- if only you didn't suck on every other area of the show.

tiggeril

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:34 pm

Can you imagine his combover during the horizontal mambo?[/quote]
I think I just went blind.

Jodeci

Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:34 pm

DashRashi WORD to your entire post. You said what I couldn't very eloquently.

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