So much awesomeness in one episode and a 33-page thread. It's almost impossible to know where to start.
As far as Clay's comment, I think part of the reason he said it was due to the informal nature of the "class." Obviously Capital Edge hadn't spent much time in preparation or planning, other than telling each other what a great idea "Sex! At Work! With Co-Workers!" was (the class or the act, you pick). Like one of the comments said, there didn't seem to be a real agenda and I think everyone was casting around for
something to talk about - except Markus, who cleverly brought a yo-yo (the heck?). I don't believe Clay is anti-Semitic either, he was just looking for a way to connect with the audience. But he should have
sincerely apologized to Adam once he realized how his words may have sounded. You can't afford to insult people at work - unless you're Donald Trump, obviously. Also, was this a typical class for the Learning Annex? I wasn't clear on exactly what kind of education was offered there but Excel's theme seemed much better suited.
The BR was cringe-inducing in so many ways - I hope someone got a special on brain bleach this week because we all need it after DT decides to share the miracle of sex with Adam (no! not like that! gah-ross!!), is astonished that there's a gay man in his BR, and asks George how he feels about anti-Semitic comments. Henceforth in my living room DT shall be known as Uncle Insensitive. I honestly wanted Markus to hang around for another week because he's such an IDIOT! I need the laughs, Thursday's a long day for me. I think it was the approach and presentation of the task compounded by Clay's many unprofessional comments that caused the (not-so-great) loss, so I would have fired Clay and kept Markus as my court jester. But whatever.
Randal rocked the Richter scale! He is obviously a confident and energizing speaker who knew how to get his crowd awake and going. It was a good choice of topic, especially for a business group. Ten bucks says asking potential employees about sexual orientation was
not one of the recommended methods for making your mark. I would have liked to see Brian and Rebecca speaking, especially after Brian's Markus attack with the Zenthura presentation. The reward was excellent, though, SO much better than fishing (and watching Markus maim himself - actually, that does sound fun). Marshawn was gorgeous in the little black dress, I hope she took that one home! Brian and Rebecca looked good (it's Michael Kors, you can't wear his clothes and NOT look good) but Randal....oh, my! Just...yes.
Comments time:
Does Adam remind anyone else of Ross Geller?[/quote]
Actually, when we saw him doing his tie (over and over), I thought he looked exactly like Will Truman. I think it was the angle of the camera and the haircut...
I have to love Adam now. I think he's cute as a button. His discomfort with talking about sex kind of endeared him to me. I totally forgive him for singing on "Rubble Man." ("LAY-DEEZ! If you see us in the club, fuh-reekin . . . !)[/quote]
Noooooooo!! I finally got it out of my head last Monday and now it's BACK! I'm going to have to find it on iTunes.
I would take a possibly-virginal Adam over Markus any day, even if Markus had memorized Joy of Sex and had brought the Chippendale dancers as backups.[/quote]
BWAH! There'd also be some kind of deal with a yo-yo and some bizarre champagne ritual that would last about three hours.
How about "Sex with Mark(us) is Work"?[/quote]
BRAIN BLEACH! Ick ick ick ick icky!!!!
Clay dressed in a pink & yellow flowered shirt, pulling out of his closet the exact same shirt like "hmm, maybe I should have wear this one instead?"[/quote]
<whispering>Is it wrong of me to want that shirt very much?
Late Viewer
Nov 5, 2005 @ 4:58 am
There was much eye-rolling in my living room when I saw Felisha and Allatine (as I shall now call her) all leany-leany on each other during the wait at the beginning of the episode.[/quote] Yes. You really want to be snuggling with the competition during the job interview process. But this supports my theory on why she tossed Marshawn and kept Felisha. Alla and Felisha are Best Friends Forevah.
nizzope
Nov 5, 2005 @ 5:21 am
"It's been a RAILROAD from the beginning!"[/quote] I was ON THE FLOOR!
Randal is the clear front runner- and if he gets a nose job he'd be quite a looker
and that vote was sooo close I think mark burnette may have stuck a few down his pants while counting.......
My Way
Nov 5, 2005 @ 8:25 am
I liked how George kind of took up for CLay (possibly unintentionally) in the boardroom by telling Adam that Sex is a provocative topic and it's not shocking that some of the comments would be on the raunchy side. With the exception of the Jewish boy comment, every thing that Clay said was related to the sex at work topic, just phrased a little coursely. He talked about crushes on coworkers and sexual harassment. All relevant topics.
You know how when you hear a friend use a phrase or word alot and then before you know it you're saying it too? I think that was what happened to Clay. He heard Adam say "Jewish boy" 19 times and it just popped out of his mouth before he knew what he was saying. I don't know why I want to defend Clay, I see that some of the things he said were course and I don't think he'll win, but he works hard in every task and I appreciate that.
Also, I"m still kind of irritated with Alla's "bitchy woman times a thousand" comment. I don't like using calling a man a woman as an insult. Especially when it comes from a stripper, Alla. I just can't like her.
marketdoctor
Nov 5, 2005 @ 9:32 am
I caved in and saw the repeat on CNBC (and it gives the show a whole darker twist watching the terrorism news scroll at the bottom.)
I think the "tight" comment was intended to refer to the fact that Adam seemed uncomfortable with the topic of sex, whereas Clay had a more "loosen up" attitude. Also, as to the closeness of the scores: I know lots of teachers who get higher marks when the topic is interesting and/or easy vs. those that have to teach an unpopular or difficult topic. Counterpoint: why were the scores so close, when all the comments for one team were so negative and the other team's comments were all positive?
AdrienneP
Nov 5, 2005 @ 10:04 am
I'm wondering if there's other ANTM freaks lurking, when I saw Marshawn in that black dress and she did a little walk towards the camera... the first thing that popped into my head was "She better be fierce!"[/quote]
I heard Miss Jay in my head, too!! Girl, you betta WORK it!
Forgot who it was upthread who said that Randall, by being PM, undercut Rebecca and Marshawn and Brian, excellent point. It was extra smart of him to want it and get that second win. And, after unanimously picking him to join their team again, to let him then become PM signals that they want to be led rather than be the leaders (YMMV), which gives him even more weight with Trumpy. Not smart on their part.
Scherzo
Nov 5, 2005 @ 10:43 am
Now I have the strangest urge to have sex and eat a steak. But my hair looks really bitchin'. [/quote]
Ashforth, I will most likely never get all that coffee off my keyboard!
blocked writer
Nov 5, 2005 @ 11:04 am
It was just incredibly unclear what aspect of Sex At Work they were discussing. That no one on the team pointed this out as a negative warranted that all of them should have been fired. [/quote]
I agree with this. They were so awkward and bumbling, it was like they had been pulled into the class 15 minutes before and they had to teach.
Not only did they lack a particular focus, they shouldn't have brought their personal experiences into the presentataion at all. It became a "too much information" situation in the case of both Clay and Adam. No one needed to know about whose ass Clay liked to look at, or the fact that Adam was conservative about sex. They could have offered scenarios without making it about them. That was one of their biggest mistakes, one that they obviously never overcame.
UncleJemima
Nov 5, 2005 @ 11:19 am
Maybe that's where Markus could put his mouth to good use. At least with a mouthful he wouldn't be able to speak! /rimshot - thank you, I'll be here all week.[/quote]
"Markus," "mouth," and "rim" all in the same post. Oh, the humanity!
Adam's willingness to pull Markus out of the room was probably his strongest management move, but I hated that he didn't call Markus on his "let me finish" interrupting bullshit. Dude, you can't expect anyone to let you finish your thought, as ill-conceived and -expressed as it was, when you won't afford others the same courtesy.
Evala
Nov 5, 2005 @ 11:49 am
But to bring it up. Over. And over. And over again. And then be offended that someone else says something about it? (...albeit admittedly at an inopportune moment.) Smacks of hypocrisy.[/quote]
In that case, I have to assume Clay would have had been ok with the rest of the group making comments and jokes about gay people. But somehow I doubt that would be the case.
And I don't think it's hypocritical to make fun of yourself or your group but be offended when someone outside the group does so. It's just like how black people can use the n-word but white people can't. And how gay people can call each other the f-word but straight people can't, something I'm sure Clay understands.
Irma in Green
Nov 5, 2005 @ 12:01 pm
and that vote was sooo close I think mark burnette may have stuck a few down his pants while counting....... [/quote]
BWAHHH! It is official, I'm 12!
tuneman570
Nov 5, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
Best. Boardroom. Ever.
Trump's "Sparticus" speech: "Some people like steak, some like spaghetti...", his apparent surprise that Clay is gay, as if Clay had never spoken or moved in his presence, Alla's pulling the puppet strings to turn Adam against Clay, Trump asking Adam if he'd ever have sex, then making it clear that he hasn't (!).
And lets not forget Adam's oversensitive mishearing of Clay's comment (it was Adam who mentioned his own Jewishness over and over and over again.), and Trump telling Adam sex has gotten him into lots of trouble, cost him a lot of money, and he's sure Adam will be IN THE SAME POSITION in ten years.
And lets not forget Clay's surprise when Alla/Adam launched their attack, the way he fumed during the whole homosexuality converstation, and stormed back into the suite. OR how Trump completely outed George the moment the possibility of antiSemitism was raised. OR how Markus just wouldn't just the freak up, long after he was fired!
Classic Shite. Just Classic.
PinkyTuscadero
Nov 5, 2005 @ 2:32 pm
To me, Clay failed to learn a basic lesson. You don't identify a person as a type by what group they fall into. Whether it's a cheap Jew, a cheap Gay guy, or a cheap black man - it's just too open to misinterpretation, and unnecessary. If he had said, "Remember, this is our shy, tight, nice guy" or "shy, cheap, guy", it'd work just as well. And he was pretty crude in the rest of the presentation - not because he was talking about homosexual flirting and harassment, but just because of the terms he was using.[/quote]
Adam was the one who was identifying himself with a certain group. There was no need to bring up his religeon at all in that discussion. What point was he trying to make by repeatedly reminding every one that he was a "Jewish boy from Atlanta?"
I don't know of any connection between being Jewish and being shy or sexually modest. (Admittedly, I'm Catholic so there very well may be a connection that I am unaware.) If he was trying to convey his modesty about sex/sexual ethics and was going to do so by assocuating himself with a certain group, why not say, "I'm just a shy young Republican from Atlanta?" Hes was quite vocal about being a Republican in his audition tape.
I can't help but wonder if Adam kept referring to himself as the "shy Jewish boy" because he thought- being that they were in Manhattan and therefore there was a good possibility that a good portion of the audience might be Jewish - it would help him win points with the audience.
In that case, I have to assume Clay would have had been ok with the rest of the group making comments and jokes about gay people. But somehow I doubt that would be the case.
And I don't think it's hypocritical to make fun of yourself or your group but be offended when someone outside the group does so. It's just like how black people can use the n-word but white people can't. And how gay people can call each other the f-word but straight people can't, something I'm sure Clay understands.[/quote]
Clay has not openly discussed his homosexuality with the other candidates (that we've seen.) I think the only time it has come up was in one of his private confessionals. I don't recall him ever discussing it with the others. It's funny...just before this episode of TA, there was a scene in Will & Grace that pissed me off. Karen was sniping at Jack to keep his "faggy voice down." But, last year when the creators of Will & Grace were on The Actor's Studio, one of them said how much they hated the word "faggot." Fag, faggot, faggy...they're all variations of the same word. So, they hate the use of it...but will use it for comic relief purposes? To me, that's totally hypocritcal.
kerfoker
Nov 5, 2005 @ 2:43 pm
I think aside from Markus' obvious negative qualities, there were a number of things this week which pointed to him as this week's firing. Adam and Clay were other options. But I believe the ambiguity of the conflict between the two regarding the alleged anti-Semitism made it difficult for Trump to take a position either side by firing Adam or Clay. He fires Adam and Trump possibly angers Jewish people who heard anti-semitism. He fires Clay and he brands Clay as anti-Semitic. Trump didn't want to adjudicate that conflict. The sexual discussions in the boardroom also in a way helped the two remain. Trump fires Adam after asking at one point if Adam's a virgin? Trump fires Clay after having a discussion about Clay's homosexuality? No, I don't think so. So take away those two and we have mushmouth Markus left for Trump to follow through on the weekly theme of being decisive.
hapless
Nov 5, 2005 @ 3:21 pm
They really should have broken the presentation up into sections. Adam: Struggles of a 22 yr old Virgin in Manhattan; Alla: My Life as a Stripper; Markus: How to Talk Your Way Out of a Relationship; Clay: Tight Asses and Other Work Distractions; etc. [/quote]
Word. That is so hilarious, they probably would have scored 10's from audience.
I don't get Markus. Apprenti are interviewed before being selected, for whatever factors the producers are looking for and supposedly The Donald personally selected them. So why was Markus selected if he has communication issues and never gets to the point? Was he selected because he wouldn't ever have a chance to be The Apprentice, even if by some fluke all the other Apprenti candidates quit the show.
DT: "Markus, you're the only one left. You're fired!"
Markus: "I knew I was being railroaded!"
Do they pick ninnys on purpose so the favorite will win?
Imaginery interview
Producer gameterviewer: Markus, do you want to be an Apprenti on the show?
Markus: Do I want to be an Apprenti? It's just that...you know...my idea of being a boardroom viceroy with Mr. Trump in the boardroom...you know...a better idea...you know...
Producer gameterviewer: Do you want to be an Apprenti? Get to the point!
Markus: It's just that my idea is better...you know... uh...I'm just clueless.
Producer gameterviewer: Great! You are on the show.
nilknarf
Nov 5, 2005 @ 3:27 pm
maybe Markus was the one of 18 that DT didn't select. An interviewer discovered Markus; knew he would make TV, and foisted him on the Hair.
Whatever.... he was amusing in a trainwreck kinda way. His speeches, and his ability to stand around doing nothing (while still insisting on his awesomeness) remind me alot of many members of the high school classes that I have taught.
Haleth
Nov 5, 2005 @ 3:58 pm
I think part of the misunderstanding between Clay and Adam arose because Clay was assuming a familiarity that Adam wasn't feeling. The candidates haven't known each other very long and Adam is a reserved kid anyway. He might not have minded the comment coming from someone he felt more comfortable with, but Clay is still pretty much a stranger to him.
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