Clay is now an official dead apprentice walking. There is no coming back from that sort of performance.[/quote]
I think he could come back and restore his standing, if he does a couple of things. First, he needs to lead next week, and win decisively, and win the praise of his team; and, he needs to show that he can put the goal of winning the task first, and his need for continual self-expression second, and temper his behavior and his words accordingly. I believe he could do it, but it will be difficult.
After this episode, though, he and Rebecca are both looking like they're heading to Sequesterville sooner rather than later.
I think he could come back and restore his standing, if he does a couple of things. First, he needs to lead next week, and win decisively, and win the praise of his team; and, he needs to show that he can put the goal of winning the task first, and his need for continual self-expression second, and temper his behavior and his words accordingly. I believe he could do it, but it will be difficult.
After this episode, though, he and Rebecca are both looking like they're heading to Sequesterville sooner rather than later.
And now I miss Markus even though I couldn't wait for him to go. Without even realizing it I had developed such tender feelings towards his royal loserness. I hope he's vacationing restfully in the Boxxe region of France. And fly fishing. And getting his dumb-ass highlights retouched.[/quote]
I don't miss him, but I don't wish him any harm, either; poor Markus. He's the kind of guy who's on permanent vacation, so I hope he's off enjoying himself somewhere . . .
I don't miss him, but I don't wish him any harm, either; poor Markus. He's the kind of guy who's on permanent vacation, so I hope he's off enjoying himself somewhere . . .
Markus didn't want it anymore. He wanted Trump to fire him. That's why he gave up out on the rooftop.
I am growing a grudging respect for Alla. I can definitely see her and Randal as F2.
Clay needs to get off my TV screen asap. He's ultra-sensitive and his presentation was vulgar and tasteless. Some people don't want to hear about somebody getting their ass slapped or your homosexual lifestyle. That's your business.
Randal? is the one to beat. He's smooth and classy and graceful and I'm beginning to see why Trump places so much emphasis on popularity(even though he takes it too far), but in order to be an effective leader, you have to have the respect of the people. Randal has that respect seeing as how he never gets involved in beefs with other contestants. He was perfect for this task because there is something about him that commands respect, as soon as he walked into that room, he was the right balance of energy and calmness to get their atttention.
I am growing a grudging respect for Alla. I can definitely see her and Randal as F2.
Clay needs to get off my TV screen asap. He's ultra-sensitive and his presentation was vulgar and tasteless. Some people don't want to hear about somebody getting their ass slapped or your homosexual lifestyle. That's your business.
Randal? is the one to beat. He's smooth and classy and graceful and I'm beginning to see why Trump places so much emphasis on popularity(even though he takes it too far), but in order to be an effective leader, you have to have the respect of the people. Randal has that respect seeing as how he never gets involved in beefs with other contestants. He was perfect for this task because there is something about him that commands respect, as soon as he walked into that room, he was the right balance of energy and calmness to get their atttention.
Okay, who is Adam? When he first came on to volunteer as PM I had no idea who he was.
This is strange, if you've been reading Jacob's recaps, which have been brimming with Adam love from the start. [/quote]
Yep. Reading the recaps. Still couldn't place him. I haven't noticed anything stand out about him, and now I know why. I think Trump was right - he's going to have to toughen up if he thinks he'll ever manage people. What an underwhelming showing.
This is strange, if you've been reading Jacob's recaps, which have been brimming with Adam love from the start. [/quote]
Yep. Reading the recaps. Still couldn't place him. I haven't noticed anything stand out about him, and now I know why. I think Trump was right - he's going to have to toughen up if he thinks he'll ever manage people. What an underwhelming showing.
[Snipped weird, off-topic and somewhat racist additional definition for "tight."]
Why were the numerical scores so close? I thought Randal's presentation was much more coherent and useful.[/quote]
I was surprised by that as well. I'm thinking it might have been due to the class topics -- the "sex sells!" mentality at work.[/quote]
The more I think about it, the more I think Clay, sadly, might have read his audience better than the editing allowed us as viewers to do so. And that as cringeworthy as Clay's comments were, perhaps they were more awkward and too-much-information type than inappropriate. Each time the man spoke I shuddered. But I have a very low threshold. But I think it was more in reaction to the whole anecdotal approach that the entire team took. We saw Clay do his "one time at band camp" over and over again. But that seemed the theme. Adam was doing the exact same approach when the now infamous Clay comment came into focus.
I think that Clay might have shocked people with the awkward anecdotes he gave, I think he might have embarassed himself and looked a bit of a fool. But when all was said and done, every comment he made that I heard except the quip about Adam actually did talk about "Sex in the Workplace". Stunning concept. Despite the incredibly poor style in which Clay delivered his material in, it was actually within the loose incoherent framework that the team burdened themselves with. For every low score Clay's horrible delivery earned, there could well have been as many people that sat back and just enjoyed the show. As I said, I have a low threshold. When people start to really humilate themselves, especially in moments of such blatant lack of awareness I tend to mentally writhe in discomfort unless I really really dislike the person. And Clay I dislike. But not that much. However I know people that would sit back and either get into for sheer pleasures sake or even think "well at least I don't have to hear any more about what the shy Jewish boy finds uncomfortable and inappropriate and intimidating. Following Adam's opening "Let's Talk About Sex, Not Really", Clay might have been seen as a breath of fresh air to some people. AS mentioned upthread, no one in the audience seemed to comment on the shocking discussion/lecture by Clay on sexual matters in a workshop about sex.
I also believe that Clay's anger at the end stemmed from being portrayed as bigoted as well as being put in a position of having to defend how his talking about being gay led to a loss. Something that slightly mitigates my dislike for the man and his incredibly poor inter-personal skills. I think Clay knew the one line would come up. Despite the shocked look on his face in the boardroom. I think that was a little bit of acting or perhaps editing. But I do believe he was blindsided by Marcus and All and then Adam being up his refrences to his own sexuality as a detriment to the presentation as a whole. And I find myself agreeing somewhat with Clay to my chagrin. If everyone gave anecdotal evidence (idiotically) as part of their presentation, labeling Clay's as inappropriate due to his sexual orientation was actually more bigoted than Clay's comment about Adam.
I was surprised by that as well. I'm thinking it might have been due to the class topics -- the "sex sells!" mentality at work.[/quote]
The more I think about it, the more I think Clay, sadly, might have read his audience better than the editing allowed us as viewers to do so. And that as cringeworthy as Clay's comments were, perhaps they were more awkward and too-much-information type than inappropriate. Each time the man spoke I shuddered. But I have a very low threshold. But I think it was more in reaction to the whole anecdotal approach that the entire team took. We saw Clay do his "one time at band camp" over and over again. But that seemed the theme. Adam was doing the exact same approach when the now infamous Clay comment came into focus.
I think that Clay might have shocked people with the awkward anecdotes he gave, I think he might have embarassed himself and looked a bit of a fool. But when all was said and done, every comment he made that I heard except the quip about Adam actually did talk about "Sex in the Workplace". Stunning concept. Despite the incredibly poor style in which Clay delivered his material in, it was actually within the loose incoherent framework that the team burdened themselves with. For every low score Clay's horrible delivery earned, there could well have been as many people that sat back and just enjoyed the show. As I said, I have a low threshold. When people start to really humilate themselves, especially in moments of such blatant lack of awareness I tend to mentally writhe in discomfort unless I really really dislike the person. And Clay I dislike. But not that much. However I know people that would sit back and either get into for sheer pleasures sake or even think "well at least I don't have to hear any more about what the shy Jewish boy finds uncomfortable and inappropriate and intimidating. Following Adam's opening "Let's Talk About Sex, Not Really", Clay might have been seen as a breath of fresh air to some people. AS mentioned upthread, no one in the audience seemed to comment on the shocking discussion/lecture by Clay on sexual matters in a workshop about sex.
I also believe that Clay's anger at the end stemmed from being portrayed as bigoted as well as being put in a position of having to defend how his talking about being gay led to a loss. Something that slightly mitigates my dislike for the man and his incredibly poor inter-personal skills. I think Clay knew the one line would come up. Despite the shocked look on his face in the boardroom. I think that was a little bit of acting or perhaps editing. But I do believe he was blindsided by Marcus and All and then Adam being up his refrences to his own sexuality as a detriment to the presentation as a whole. And I find myself agreeing somewhat with Clay to my chagrin. If everyone gave anecdotal evidence (idiotically) as part of their presentation, labeling Clay's as inappropriate due to his sexual orientation was actually more bigoted than Clay's comment about Adam.
I'm sorry...if you're 22 and still a virgin you're scared of life. I have no love for Adam. He's like Milhouse on The Simpsons.
Topic, please.
Topic, please.
I agree that it was probably super-awkward for Adam to be teased about being prudish and/or a virgin, but he opened himself up to it. Adam relied on his "I'm a nice Jewish boy from Atlanta and I don't know anything about this sex stuff" shtick --and heavily-- which made it fair game.[/quote]
I thought it was the other way around. The other teammates latched on to the "let's talk about sex" routine, and wouldn't let go, even though Adam stated several times that it made him uncomfortable.
Since he didn't have a forceful enough personality to command the team (his major weakness, IMHO), he went along with it and tried to roll with the punches. The punches get kept getting harder and meaner, though. At that point, all you can really do is laugh and go with the shtick, or make a decisive stand against it.
I thought it was the other way around. The other teammates latched on to the "let's talk about sex" routine, and wouldn't let go, even though Adam stated several times that it made him uncomfortable.
Since he didn't have a forceful enough personality to command the team (his major weakness, IMHO), he went along with it and tried to roll with the punches. The punches get kept getting harder and meaner, though. At that point, all you can really do is laugh and go with the shtick, or make a decisive stand against it.
I said it last week and I have to say it again...Clay reminds me so much of Beverly Leslie on "Will and Grace". You know, Karen's nemesis?
Good for Adam for being a virgin, good for him not talking to Trump the Sexpert about it, and good for him for trying to stay on topic while Trump the Sexpert took a walk down Pervy Lane.
Alla just rocks sometimes, like during the brainstorming, but just sucks sometimes...like how's she's usually dressed. I'm guessing Michael Kors makeover advice to her would be, "If you aren't a stripper anymore, don't dress like one anymore."
At least, that would be my advice. Some of her outfits are just a nightmare for the senses.
Good for Adam for being a virgin, good for him not talking to Trump the Sexpert about it, and good for him for trying to stay on topic while Trump the Sexpert took a walk down Pervy Lane.
Alla just rocks sometimes, like during the brainstorming, but just sucks sometimes...like how's she's usually dressed. I'm guessing Michael Kors makeover advice to her would be, "If you aren't a stripper anymore, don't dress like one anymore."
At least, that would be my advice. Some of her outfits are just a nightmare for the senses.
[Snipped hand-wringing lecture about how "we" should be discussing and thinking, because "we" are being bad people.]
I’m shocked that Kelly’s appearance hasn’t received nearly the attention in deserves! (/sarcasm)
Seriously, I’ve figured out why Kelly (showing even less personality than usual—I didn’t think that was possible) was trotted out last night It was just Trump doing his usual “this can all be yours!” schtick for the apprenti.
“Kelly’s year in his windowless closet space will soon be up! Soon one of you will be the one sitting next to Melania’s assistant! Have any of you ever heard of Trump Ice? Well, let’s see if you can do a better job with it than he did! Soon this can all BE YOURS!!!!”
Run, Marshawn! Run, Randall! You are so much better than this!
And, surely, you don’t want to be trotted out by Trump every time he needs a token black for an event—“Look! I even have one working for me!” Or asked, George style, “Did you find that comment offensive? Coz I know as a (fill in minority that Trump IS NOT A PART OF) you get a lot of that!”
My current choice for ‘winner’? Clay, whom I can’t stand. Or, Rebecca, who’s a close second.
Seriously, I’ve figured out why Kelly (showing even less personality than usual—I didn’t think that was possible) was trotted out last night It was just Trump doing his usual “this can all be yours!” schtick for the apprenti.
“Kelly’s year in his windowless closet space will soon be up! Soon one of you will be the one sitting next to Melania’s assistant! Have any of you ever heard of Trump Ice? Well, let’s see if you can do a better job with it than he did! Soon this can all BE YOURS!!!!”
Run, Marshawn! Run, Randall! You are so much better than this!
And, surely, you don’t want to be trotted out by Trump every time he needs a token black for an event—“Look! I even have one working for me!” Or asked, George style, “Did you find that comment offensive? Coz I know as a (fill in minority that Trump IS NOT A PART OF) you get a lot of that!”
My current choice for ‘winner’? Clay, whom I can’t stand. Or, Rebecca, who’s a close second.
[Thanks for not telling your fellow posters how to think or what to say.]
I couldn't find who suggested this, but courtesy of unpeople's trasncript, here is the analysis of Markus' exit interview via Microsoft Word:
Flesch Reading ease: 77.6 %
Flesch-Kincaid grade level: 10.6
From as much as I know of it, the reading ease is based in part on how much passivity there is. For example, when I score a passage from a scientific manuscript, it scores way down around 10% because we have to use the passive voice (talking in the third person and whatnot). Grade level is based mainly on how many syllables there are in the words.
This therefore proves two things: Markus can't use big words, and he talks about himself a lot. Like we didn't already know.
Flesch Reading ease: 77.6 %
Flesch-Kincaid grade level: 10.6
From as much as I know of it, the reading ease is based in part on how much passivity there is. For example, when I score a passage from a scientific manuscript, it scores way down around 10% because we have to use the passive voice (talking in the third person and whatnot). Grade level is based mainly on how many syllables there are in the words.
This therefore proves two things: Markus can't use big words, and he talks about himself a lot. Like we didn't already know.
I learn something every day. There are Jews in Atlanta. And The 40-Year Old Virgin might not be a work of complete fiction. And Adam seems like he has sweaty palms and this observation has nothing to do with him being Jewish.
I'm on the side of the fence where everyone thinks Adam misunderstood Clay's misguided, unnecessary aside. Adam's brain jumped from "tight" to "tight-ass" to "typical tight-pursed Jew." Clay learned one of the top rules in the "reality game show" genre: Don't say anything that can be misconstrued as bigotted for that will be used as an excuse to get rid of you.
While Clay overreacted after the Boardroom, I can understand his underlying disdain. He probably thought the matter was resolved, but Adam starts his report of What Went Wrong with Clay's one possibly anti-Semitic comment. The least Adam could have done was mention how Clay made the already uncomfortable seminar more uncomfortable, but he lead with the comment that personally -- personally! -- offended him, which is not an objective way to dissect What Went Wrong.
I loved Alla's thinly-veiled aloof attitude after the defeat. "There's always the next task." Yeah, for you, Richy McExemption! And she knew her puppet Felishia would stay because Clay and Markus had targets the size of Target on their backs.
I enjoyed how This Week's Lesson of "Get To The Point!" applied to both the Sex at Work seminar and Markus. I'm a sucker for multiple entredre. I wish I could have caught Today to see him interviewed. Is he some blueblood with nothing better to do with his life than "invent?"
I'm on the side of the fence where everyone thinks Adam misunderstood Clay's misguided, unnecessary aside. Adam's brain jumped from "tight" to "tight-ass" to "typical tight-pursed Jew." Clay learned one of the top rules in the "reality game show" genre: Don't say anything that can be misconstrued as bigotted for that will be used as an excuse to get rid of you.
While Clay overreacted after the Boardroom, I can understand his underlying disdain. He probably thought the matter was resolved, but Adam starts his report of What Went Wrong with Clay's one possibly anti-Semitic comment. The least Adam could have done was mention how Clay made the already uncomfortable seminar more uncomfortable, but he lead with the comment that personally -- personally! -- offended him, which is not an objective way to dissect What Went Wrong.
I loved Alla's thinly-veiled aloof attitude after the defeat. "There's always the next task." Yeah, for you, Richy McExemption! And she knew her puppet Felishia would stay because Clay and Markus had targets the size of Target on their backs.
I enjoyed how This Week's Lesson of "Get To The Point!" applied to both the Sex at Work seminar and Markus. I'm a sucker for multiple entredre. I wish I could have caught Today to see him interviewed. Is he some blueblood with nothing better to do with his life than "invent?"
pastoralia writes:
I have no love for Adam. He's like Milhouse on The Simpsons.[/quote]
I kind of like Adam, because I kind of like Milhouse. (Nobody likes Milhouse!)
realityremote writes:
I kind of like Adam, because I kind of like Milhouse. (Nobody likes Milhouse!)
realityremote writes:
in fact, that's what I thought one of the groups should have taught: "How to get cast on a reality tv show." It would have been great![/quote]
I had the same thought! I think that was part of the problem. Maybe, after last week's firing, the candidates were afraid of the "Of course! Baseball!" impulse that Jacob described, but it might have done them a lot of good. Why would I want to go listen to five random yutzes babble about sex in the workplace? Wouldn't it be better to have, for instance, a former college baseball player teach you about baseball? Or if that wouldn't work in the context/setting, just give someone a topic they can speak about with expertise?
I wonder if Mark Burnett would have nixed "How to get cast on a reality TV show." But that's one thing they've all succeeded at, and I think they could get an audience really excited about it.
ETA: Count me among those who think Clay meant "Uptight Jewish boy." He wasn't choosing his words carefully, which was of course the problem with all of them.
I had the same thought! I think that was part of the problem. Maybe, after last week's firing, the candidates were afraid of the "Of course! Baseball!" impulse that Jacob described, but it might have done them a lot of good. Why would I want to go listen to five random yutzes babble about sex in the workplace? Wouldn't it be better to have, for instance, a former college baseball player teach you about baseball? Or if that wouldn't work in the context/setting, just give someone a topic they can speak about with expertise?
I wonder if Mark Burnett would have nixed "How to get cast on a reality TV show." But that's one thing they've all succeeded at, and I think they could get an audience really excited about it.
ETA: Count me among those who think Clay meant "Uptight Jewish boy." He wasn't choosing his words carefully, which was of course the problem with all of them.
DT talking about sex icked me out enormously. Unfortunately it caused me to visualize and just... ewwwww. I mean, really, eeewwwwwww. I need some sort of brain bleach to make it go away.
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Yeah! Melania's earned every single diamond she has.
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Yeah! Melania's earned every single diamond she has.
Ah, very satifying show. I wanted to say "orgasmic," but thought I should refrain, all things considered. My two cents for the discussion:
Trump: I really think he waded right into it with the "are you a homosexual? There's a woman beside you--you don't want to sleep with her? Really?" routine. I think production pulled him aside and told him there was stuff on that footage they needed for the show, so he'd better figure out a way to stop looking like a homophobe. So, we got the whole bizarre menu discussion.
Adam: I feel for the kid. Discomfort about the idea of conducting a training seminar about workplace sexual issues is not the same thing as being a virgin, even though the two may or may not coincide. He handled it pretty classily, saying he didn't want to discuss his personal life.
Clay: Was having a context problem. Almost anything he said would have been OK in a different context. If that seminar had broken into small groups talking about touchy situations at work and he had said, "once, a manager slapped me on the ass," it may have been OK. Out with a group of friends where one keeps referring to himself as the conservative Jewish kid from Atlanta, it is probably OK to remind him of it later. Both of these in front of a large formal group? Not so much.
Markus: Is the guy in college you tried to stay away from because he would end up asking you out, and when you said no he would attempt to debate you on the subject because clearly you don't understand how wonderful he really is. When, six weeks later, he had decided to take no for an answer, he would tell everyone how nice guys finish last and how much he has to offer a woman. I would take a possibly-virginal Adam over Markus any day, even if Markus had memorized Joy of Sex and had brought the Chippendale dancers as backups. Come to think of it, Adam stands a better chance than Markus of actually *getting done* without just randomly being all over the place.
Edited because bizaree is not a word, but it is bizarre.
Trump: I really think he waded right into it with the "are you a homosexual? There's a woman beside you--you don't want to sleep with her? Really?" routine. I think production pulled him aside and told him there was stuff on that footage they needed for the show, so he'd better figure out a way to stop looking like a homophobe. So, we got the whole bizarre menu discussion.
Adam: I feel for the kid. Discomfort about the idea of conducting a training seminar about workplace sexual issues is not the same thing as being a virgin, even though the two may or may not coincide. He handled it pretty classily, saying he didn't want to discuss his personal life.
Clay: Was having a context problem. Almost anything he said would have been OK in a different context. If that seminar had broken into small groups talking about touchy situations at work and he had said, "once, a manager slapped me on the ass," it may have been OK. Out with a group of friends where one keeps referring to himself as the conservative Jewish kid from Atlanta, it is probably OK to remind him of it later. Both of these in front of a large formal group? Not so much.
Markus: Is the guy in college you tried to stay away from because he would end up asking you out, and when you said no he would attempt to debate you on the subject because clearly you don't understand how wonderful he really is. When, six weeks later, he had decided to take no for an answer, he would tell everyone how nice guys finish last and how much he has to offer a woman. I would take a possibly-virginal Adam over Markus any day, even if Markus had memorized Joy of Sex and had brought the Chippendale dancers as backups. Come to think of it, Adam stands a better chance than Markus of actually *getting done* without just randomly being all over the place.
Edited because bizaree is not a word, but it is bizarre.
[Snipped troll-feeding.]
Calmly moving on to the "Clay wasn't fired because he's gay" idea:
I do think Clay was spared slightly not just because he was gay, but because he had come out in a fairly humiliating way to The Donald just about five seconds prior. So I'm sure Trump had reservations about firing him so quickly after that.
Plus, in The Donald's calculated mind, he's already fired someone for being anti-Semetic. (Witness Jennifer Whatever-Her-Last-Initial-Was from the second season.) So The Donald, ever the image maker, knows he's already shown that he'll stand up for the Jews. Now it's the Gays' turn.
Then Trump was clearly fishing for some material so he could fire either Adam or Markus. And, of course, these morons obliged; Adam admitted he didn't think Clay was anti-Semetic and then in the course of a few seconds managed to morph into a 14 year-old boy, and then Markus started acting retarded and saying some of the stupidest sentences I think I've ever heard on television. Seriously, that was ridiculous.
So yeah, bottom line Trump was definitely avoiding firing The Apprentice's First Gay Man, but in the process he uncovered the ticking time bomb in the room named Markus, and rightfully tossed him.
Calmly moving on to the "Clay wasn't fired because he's gay" idea:
I do think Clay was spared slightly not just because he was gay, but because he had come out in a fairly humiliating way to The Donald just about five seconds prior. So I'm sure Trump had reservations about firing him so quickly after that.
Plus, in The Donald's calculated mind, he's already fired someone for being anti-Semetic. (Witness Jennifer Whatever-Her-Last-Initial-Was from the second season.) So The Donald, ever the image maker, knows he's already shown that he'll stand up for the Jews. Now it's the Gays' turn.
Then Trump was clearly fishing for some material so he could fire either Adam or Markus. And, of course, these morons obliged; Adam admitted he didn't think Clay was anti-Semetic and then in the course of a few seconds managed to morph into a 14 year-old boy, and then Markus started acting retarded and saying some of the stupidest sentences I think I've ever heard on television. Seriously, that was ridiculous.
So yeah, bottom line Trump was definitely avoiding firing The Apprentice's First Gay Man, but in the process he uncovered the ticking time bomb in the room named Markus, and rightfully tossed him.
[Snipped more discussion of the boards.]
I believe that Clay lost the task with his crude sex talk, using "ass" several times. If a straight man had said the exact same thing as Clay, talking about slapping asses, he probably would've been fired. All I could think about was GOB's sexual harrassment speech in Arrested Development. "Please refrain from any sort of interoffice BLEEP or BLEEPing or fingerBLEEPing or BLEEPsting or even BLEEP. Even though SO many people in this office are just BEGGING for it." This is what Adam should have focused on, and what I think Alla was trying to get him to say instead of all that "tight Jew" stuff.
Ah, Kelly. Jenn M.'s railroading sure was a blessing in disguise. How is the Trump Ice campaign going, Kelly? I sincerely hope Kendra's spirit isn't as broken. And Randal and Marshawn should be very scared. This is your future, y'all!
I believe that Clay lost the task with his crude sex talk, using "ass" several times. If a straight man had said the exact same thing as Clay, talking about slapping asses, he probably would've been fired. All I could think about was GOB's sexual harrassment speech in Arrested Development. "Please refrain from any sort of interoffice BLEEP or BLEEPing or fingerBLEEPing or BLEEPsting or even BLEEP. Even though SO many people in this office are just BEGGING for it." This is what Adam should have focused on, and what I think Alla was trying to get him to say instead of all that "tight Jew" stuff.
Ah, Kelly. Jenn M.'s railroading sure was a blessing in disguise. How is the Trump Ice campaign going, Kelly? I sincerely hope Kendra's spirit isn't as broken. And Randal and Marshawn should be very scared. This is your future, y'all!
[Snipped lecture about homosexuality in America, and off-topic discussion of another poster's opinion.]
I would take a possibly-virginal Adam over Markus any day, even if Markus had memorized Joy of Sex and had brought the Chippendale dancers as backups.[/quote]
The problem is that Markus would, of course, talk . . .
The problem is that Markus would, of course, talk . . .
Some of us are almost (I said ALMOST) as bad as Trump. Why do we assume Adam is a virgin just because he's uncomfortable talking about sex and refused to answer a completely innappropriate question.[/quote]
missmariss, I see what you're sayin'! I didn't automatically assume Adam was a virgin when he said he wasn't comfortable discussing that -- although my first thought probably puts me in the "almost as bad" category as well, because I wondered if maybe he didn't want his Mom to hear about it!
Someone upthread made a very valid point as well -- if Adam had a steady girlfriend, he'd be "outing" her if he'd answered yes, and he might've been just being gentlemanly.
Sometimes it seems as if the contestants ass-u-me that being PM automatically equates to being the main presenter/speaker, and I suspect that was part of Adam's downfall -- in his place, I'd have given Alla the "main presenter" role for the TLA class. Not because she's a former stripper, which they may or may not know, but because she was obviously comfortable with the topic, and because she's a good speaker, which they've had the chance to see.
But yes, the major problem was that they really didn't seem to have any coherent ideas about the presentation at all! Contrast Randal's staying up all night working on the outline, with Adam's...well, it looked like total lack of any thought about what they were teaching, how they were going to go about it, and who had what job, and you get a class with some class vs. an off-the-cuff mess. "Seem to" is the operative phrase, because I agree it was edited to focus on the ass-slapping and shy, tight Jewish boy comments, since that's what came up in the BR.
If Adam had plans and ideas about how the class should be run, it would have been nice to see them, rather than just the "I'm uncomfortable with the topic, but I'll make the best of it." I'd like to have heard what, if anything, Alla and Felisha actually contributed during the TLA presentation itself. I'd like to have seen PM Adam making decisions, and explain why he made them.
And ladies, if you see Adam in da club FAH-REE-KIN-UH!, ...just remember, he's a nice Jewish boy from Atlanta, and his ability (or lack thereof) to FAH-REEK! does not speak to whether or not he has ever had sex.
missmariss, I see what you're sayin'! I didn't automatically assume Adam was a virgin when he said he wasn't comfortable discussing that -- although my first thought probably puts me in the "almost as bad" category as well, because I wondered if maybe he didn't want his Mom to hear about it!
Someone upthread made a very valid point as well -- if Adam had a steady girlfriend, he'd be "outing" her if he'd answered yes, and he might've been just being gentlemanly.
Sometimes it seems as if the contestants ass-u-me that being PM automatically equates to being the main presenter/speaker, and I suspect that was part of Adam's downfall -- in his place, I'd have given Alla the "main presenter" role for the TLA class. Not because she's a former stripper, which they may or may not know, but because she was obviously comfortable with the topic, and because she's a good speaker, which they've had the chance to see.
But yes, the major problem was that they really didn't seem to have any coherent ideas about the presentation at all! Contrast Randal's staying up all night working on the outline, with Adam's...well, it looked like total lack of any thought about what they were teaching, how they were going to go about it, and who had what job, and you get a class with some class vs. an off-the-cuff mess. "Seem to" is the operative phrase, because I agree it was edited to focus on the ass-slapping and shy, tight Jewish boy comments, since that's what came up in the BR.
If Adam had plans and ideas about how the class should be run, it would have been nice to see them, rather than just the "I'm uncomfortable with the topic, but I'll make the best of it." I'd like to have heard what, if anything, Alla and Felisha actually contributed during the TLA presentation itself. I'd like to have seen PM Adam making decisions, and explain why he made them.
And ladies, if you see Adam in da club FAH-REE-KIN-UH!, ...just remember, he's a nice Jewish boy from Atlanta, and his ability (or lack thereof) to FAH-REEK! does not speak to whether or not he has ever had sex.
I don't think Clay was spared this week because he's a homosexual and Trump was worried about a lawsuit. Trump sticks his foot in his mouth enough that his (and Burnett's) lawyers will have a pretty ironclad no-suit contract with each contestant.
I think Clay was spared because Adam said he didn't think Clay is anti-Semitic. Trump said he was glad to hear Adam say that because he agreed. Clay has a little of Markus in him. He speaks sometimes without thinking.
I think Trump knew it was time to send Markus home.
I think Clay was spared because Adam said he didn't think Clay is anti-Semitic. Trump said he was glad to hear Adam say that because he agreed. Clay has a little of Markus in him. He speaks sometimes without thinking.
I think Trump knew it was time to send Markus home.
MarchingOcelot: Markus is a human dispenser of word salad. A stream of consciousness set on shuffle.[/quote]
Loved the "stream of consciousness set on shuffle" remark.
Markus was fired! Now who's going to fill the empty TA minutes with mindless blather, pointless wandering around, pretentious mispronunciations, and champagne sabering?
And what was with that yooge cigar he was mauling on the balcony? In a sex episode no less. Ewww.
Loved the "stream of consciousness set on shuffle" remark.
Markus was fired! Now who's going to fill the empty TA minutes with mindless blather, pointless wandering around, pretentious mispronunciations, and champagne sabering?
And what was with that yooge cigar he was mauling on the balcony? In a sex episode no less. Ewww.
shea: I think they should have done a seminar on avoiding corporate-speak. Then they could have utilized their assets and executed their results. Huh?
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At the end of the day, no one would step up to the plate and this idea would not work.
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At the end of the day, no one would step up to the plate and this idea would not work.
Jeebus Shuttlesworth: This is what Adam should have focused on, and what I think Alla was trying to get him to say instead of all that "tight Jew" stuff.[/quote]
I'll give you and Alla that. She was trying her best in the Boardroom to help Adam broaden and objectify Clay's missteps, which implies Alla would rather have seen Clay fired than Markus. She had so many problems with Clay during the previous task. Plus, Markus has proved that he can be easily marginalized -- he can even marginalize himself! Clay can't be marginalized. He has to be involved, front-and-center, in-your-face, creating drama.
I'll give you and Alla that. She was trying her best in the Boardroom to help Adam broaden and objectify Clay's missteps, which implies Alla would rather have seen Clay fired than Markus. She had so many problems with Clay during the previous task. Plus, Markus has proved that he can be easily marginalized -- he can even marginalize himself! Clay can't be marginalized. He has to be involved, front-and-center, in-your-face, creating drama.
[Thank you for not generalizing about what "most homosexuals" think, want or feel.]
I think [Clay] could come back and restore his standing, if he does a couple of things. First, he needs to lead next week, and win decisively, and win the praise of his team; and, he needs to show that he can put the goal of winning the task first, and his need for continual self-expression second, and temper his behavior and his words accordingly. I believe he could do it, but it will be difficult. [/quote]
Doesn't matter. If Trump has one rule for an apprentice it is this. Thou shall not embarass Donald Trump. Clay's performance was embarassing. He could run a perfect game from this point forward and Trump will still can him in the interview round. Clay has shown the capacity to be an embarrassment. Trump will not take the risk.
[Snipped self-righteous list of religions and other reasons people might be virgins at 22.]
Doesn't matter. If Trump has one rule for an apprentice it is this. Thou shall not embarass Donald Trump. Clay's performance was embarassing. He could run a perfect game from this point forward and Trump will still can him in the interview round. Clay has shown the capacity to be an embarrassment. Trump will not take the risk.
[Snipped self-righteous list of religions and other reasons people might be virgins at 22.]
How about a seminar about avoiding sports metaphors in the workplace?
If they were avoided, though, this show would be about 12 minutes long instead of an hour.
Thought I'd step up to the plate with an idea and help out the team.
OY.
If they were avoided, though, this show would be about 12 minutes long instead of an hour.
Thought I'd step up to the plate with an idea and help out the team.
OY.
If Clay had been a heterosexual, christian male, he'd not only have been fired, he'd have to do the talk show circuit apologizing for his sins and begging forgiveness. But it's now obivious that if your gay in America, you're above all laws of morality and decency.[/quote]
I need to move to this America place of which you speak.
I need to move to this America place of which you speak.
I think Clay was spared because Adam said he didn't think Clay is anti-Semitic. Trump said he was glad to hear Adam say that because he agreed. Clay has a little of Markus in him. He speaks sometimes without thinking.[/quote]
This is what I believe, too, especially viewed in light of Clay's win as a project manager, and his excellent performance as a salesman last week. I don't think Trump wanted to fire Clay, at least not now.
Then there was the Markus factor. I couldn't envision Markus surviving a second trip to the boardroom. NOT after Carolyn watched him sitting there bored on the stage, pulling out a yo-yo. I repeat, "pulling out a yo-yo." In front of the audience, and worst of all, in front of Carolyn. In the boardroom, I kept watching here, waiting to see when she would zero in on Markus, and sure enough, in the middle of all the commotion about Clay, she did. Markus didn't have a prayer of getting back to the suite.
This is what I believe, too, especially viewed in light of Clay's win as a project manager, and his excellent performance as a salesman last week. I don't think Trump wanted to fire Clay, at least not now.
Then there was the Markus factor. I couldn't envision Markus surviving a second trip to the boardroom. NOT after Carolyn watched him sitting there bored on the stage, pulling out a yo-yo. I repeat, "pulling out a yo-yo." In front of the audience, and worst of all, in front of Carolyn. In the boardroom, I kept watching here, waiting to see when she would zero in on Markus, and sure enough, in the middle of all the commotion about Clay, she did. Markus didn't have a prayer of getting back to the suite.
I don't see how anyone could perceive Clay as being anti-semitic. Adam must have said at least 5 times that he was just a nice, conservative jewish boy, and sex talk made him uncomfortable.
It looked to me like Clay had thought up his line about Adam being a "tight Jewish boy" while Adam was speaking about dating. Then, as soon as Adam stopped speaking, he let loose with the line, not realizing that what Adam was talking about (Paying for dinner). I mean, it wasn't really even relevant to what Adam was saying no matter how you look at it. I think he really was just trying to play off of Adam's MANY self-deprecating jewish comments. Adam opened the door, and Clay made a bad joke. If Adam had said he was a nice Catholic boy from Atlanta, Clay would have repeated the exact same line with "Catholic" instead of "Jewish", because that was a fairly obvious (but not really funny) joke to make.
I felt bad for Clay, because he was in a position to be made to look anti-semitic. If I were in his shoes, I would have been screaming at the top of my lungs, and I was so releived when Adam confirmed that he did not feel that Clay was anti-semitic. [/quote]
Big ol' WORD to this, ender988. Not to get all Crisafulli on y'all, but, as a Jew, I cringed when I heard Adam getting offended! It was pretty clear to me, at least, that Clay's (lame, yes) joke was meant as a riff on what Adam was saying. In legal-ese, Adam "opened the door" to his religion when he kept describing himself as a "nice Jewish boy" -- which is itself a stereotype! It's a yooooge double standard, all "I can call myself Jewish and use all sorts of stereotypes to try to come across as likeable and relatable because I'm Jewish, but don't you be calling me Jewish, now!" Ack! I wonder how Adam would have responded if another Jew has said the same thing Clay did?
It looked to me like Clay had thought up his line about Adam being a "tight Jewish boy" while Adam was speaking about dating. Then, as soon as Adam stopped speaking, he let loose with the line, not realizing that what Adam was talking about (Paying for dinner). I mean, it wasn't really even relevant to what Adam was saying no matter how you look at it. I think he really was just trying to play off of Adam's MANY self-deprecating jewish comments. Adam opened the door, and Clay made a bad joke. If Adam had said he was a nice Catholic boy from Atlanta, Clay would have repeated the exact same line with "Catholic" instead of "Jewish", because that was a fairly obvious (but not really funny) joke to make.
I felt bad for Clay, because he was in a position to be made to look anti-semitic. If I were in his shoes, I would have been screaming at the top of my lungs, and I was so releived when Adam confirmed that he did not feel that Clay was anti-semitic. [/quote]
Big ol' WORD to this, ender988. Not to get all Crisafulli on y'all, but, as a Jew, I cringed when I heard Adam getting offended! It was pretty clear to me, at least, that Clay's (lame, yes) joke was meant as a riff on what Adam was saying. In legal-ese, Adam "opened the door" to his religion when he kept describing himself as a "nice Jewish boy" -- which is itself a stereotype! It's a yooooge double standard, all "I can call myself Jewish and use all sorts of stereotypes to try to come across as likeable and relatable because I'm Jewish, but don't you be calling me Jewish, now!" Ack! I wonder how Adam would have responded if another Jew has said the same thing Clay did?
I guess we all now know who Adam is. Maybe he should be wishing for his old anonymity.
I think the strongest players [and real candidates for F4] are (in order):
I personally like Marshawn better than Alla because Alla still spends too much time on post-task blame gaming. Marshawn tends to offer an pretty honest assessment of the tasks issues (as does Randal). Marshawn does need to be a little more forceful, though. As a "recent law school graduate" I'm not sure she's ready to be in charge.
But Alla does drive her troops pretty forcefully and gets maximum use out of them. No matter who is appointed PM, Alla's in charge of that team.
Rebecca still strikes me as naive and in a little over her head, but she's sharp and doesn't drag ass on tasks (even though, of all the candidates, she has the best excuse).
Randal has been lionized in front of Trump and the Viceroys three times now. They have to be impressed that he's made such an impression on the other candidates that they continuously fight over his services.
I think the final 2 will be Randal and Alla/Marshawn.
I think the strongest players [and real candidates for F4] are (in order):
- Randal
- Alla
- Marshawn
- Rebecca
I personally like Marshawn better than Alla because Alla still spends too much time on post-task blame gaming. Marshawn tends to offer an pretty honest assessment of the tasks issues (as does Randal). Marshawn does need to be a little more forceful, though. As a "recent law school graduate" I'm not sure she's ready to be in charge.
But Alla does drive her troops pretty forcefully and gets maximum use out of them. No matter who is appointed PM, Alla's in charge of that team.
Rebecca still strikes me as naive and in a little over her head, but she's sharp and doesn't drag ass on tasks (even though, of all the candidates, she has the best excuse).
Randal has been lionized in front of Trump and the Viceroys three times now. They have to be impressed that he's made such an impression on the other candidates that they continuously fight over his services.
I think the final 2 will be Randal and Alla/Marshawn.
Great boardroom! Great TV --
Chicks with Dicks - Alla
Dicks who like Dick - Clay
Blithering Dickheads - Markus
Nice Jewish Dick - Adam
and last but not least,
The Big Dick Himself - Donald
I laughed and laughed.
Steak versus Spaghetti!
..and laughed.
And cringed -
Markus telling Trump that he didn't believe it when Trump wished him good luck - way to be a total fucking asshole. I believe Trump and the Trumpsters could not wait to get Markus back in a BR so they could get rid of his sorry ass toot-SWEEEEET!
Loathsome nitwit.
Yes, Clay is a prissy, insensitive, self-important clod. But at least he works. Markus sucks everyone's time and energy. And he just sucks.
Chicks with Dicks - Alla
Dicks who like Dick - Clay
Blithering Dickheads - Markus
Nice Jewish Dick - Adam
and last but not least,
The Big Dick Himself - Donald
I laughed and laughed.
Steak versus Spaghetti!
..and laughed.
And cringed -
Markus telling Trump that he didn't believe it when Trump wished him good luck - way to be a total fucking asshole. I believe Trump and the Trumpsters could not wait to get Markus back in a BR so they could get rid of his sorry ass toot-SWEEEEET!
Loathsome nitwit.
Yes, Clay is a prissy, insensitive, self-important clod. But at least he works. Markus sucks everyone's time and energy. And he just sucks.
I didn't automatically assume Adam was a virgin when he said he wasn't comfortable discussing that -- although my first thought probably puts me in the "almost as bad" category as well, because I wondered if maybe he didn't want his Mom to hear about it!
Someone upthread made a very valid point as well -- if Adam had a steady girlfriend, he'd be "outing" her if he'd answered yes, and he might've been just being gentlemanly.[/quote]Then he should have thought about what would Mom think about him talking about sex on national TV. I bet he got a very uncomfortable phone call from his Mom last night. That is, assuming he doesn't live at home.
Someone in the Adam thread (I think) said that they knew him in high school and something about how he was a huge geek. Add this to the fact that when Trump went on and on about how "one of these days you will discover sex and it is magnificent", Adam didn't say anything. I see his silence and his embarrassment as his admission. It's Occam's Razor.
I don't understand why he couldn't have said "yes I am, and I'm proud of it". By saying he didn't want to say, it just led me to assume he probably is.
Truly, there is nothing wrong with him being a virgin. Everyone is or was at some point. It's the embarrassment and the squeamishness and the general timidness about it that made me dislike him.
Someone upthread made a very valid point as well -- if Adam had a steady girlfriend, he'd be "outing" her if he'd answered yes, and he might've been just being gentlemanly.[/quote]Then he should have thought about what would Mom think about him talking about sex on national TV. I bet he got a very uncomfortable phone call from his Mom last night. That is, assuming he doesn't live at home.
Someone in the Adam thread (I think) said that they knew him in high school and something about how he was a huge geek. Add this to the fact that when Trump went on and on about how "one of these days you will discover sex and it is magnificent", Adam didn't say anything. I see his silence and his embarrassment as his admission. It's Occam's Razor.
I don't understand why he couldn't have said "yes I am, and I'm proud of it". By saying he didn't want to say, it just led me to assume he probably is.
Truly, there is nothing wrong with him being a virgin. Everyone is or was at some point. It's the embarrassment and the squeamishness and the general timidness about it that made me dislike him.
Add this to the fact that when Trump went on and on about how "one of these days you will discover sex and it is magnificent", Adam didn't say anything. I see his silence and his embarrassment as his admission.[/quote]
Now, I see his silence and embarrassment more as a, "What did he just say?" than a tacit admission. I think the same "WTF" look on my face at the time and I'm not the one being "interviewed." What exactly was he supposed to say to this? Anyone? I will give you mad props if you can come up with an appropriate response!
Now, I see his silence and embarrassment more as a, "What did he just say?" than a tacit admission. I think the same "WTF" look on my face at the time and I'm not the one being "interviewed." What exactly was he supposed to say to this? Anyone? I will give you mad props if you can come up with an appropriate response!
How about, "Thank you Mr. Trump, I don't mean any disrespect, but I think it is possible to separate my personal life from my job performance."
Or, "I appreciate the advice, but trust me, it's really not necessary in my case."
Or, "I appreciate the advice, but trust me, it's really not necessary in my case."
It's an embarassment to be asked that question in a board room, virgin or no virgin. And Trump was so squirrely saying it. Ick.
Substantive content, please.
Topic.
How about, "Thank you Mr. Trump, I don't mean any disrespect, but I think it is possible to separate my personal life from my job performance."
Or, "I appreciate the advice, but trust me, it's really not necessary in my case."[/quote]
In the real world, perhaps, blackwing, but in Trumpland, Adam would never have been allowed to finish either sentence, and particularly not the first one, which might have come off as a self-righteous attempt to lecture Donald on proper boardroom/job-interview etiquette--and we all know how Donald hates to be lectured on anything, least of all by a subordinate. Donald would have cut him off before he got past "Thank you, Mr. Trump--"
My response to Donald's comment? "I certainly hope so, Mr. Trump." (Shy smile)
Or, "I appreciate the advice, but trust me, it's really not necessary in my case."[/quote]
In the real world, perhaps, blackwing, but in Trumpland, Adam would never have been allowed to finish either sentence, and particularly not the first one, which might have come off as a self-righteous attempt to lecture Donald on proper boardroom/job-interview etiquette--and we all know how Donald hates to be lectured on anything, least of all by a subordinate. Donald would have cut him off before he got past "Thank you, Mr. Trump--"
My response to Donald's comment? "I certainly hope so, Mr. Trump." (Shy smile)
Whoever thought of Randal's outfit for the presentation should be hired immediately. He was dressed all in black with a red tie, standing in front of a sign saying "Stand Out!" in black font with a red exclamation point. Because of the repeated red vertical line on a black background, Randal was a perfect visual echo of the sign, suggesting that people make the subconscious connection that Randal himself "stands out!" and is therefore embodying what he's teaching. It was sheer genius.
It's an embarassment to be asked that question in a board room, virgin or no virgin. And Trump was so squirrely saying it. Ick. [/quote]
I agree. Trump's the alpha dog in the room, and he never lets anyone forget it, by saying whatever the hell he wants. All the comments he made about sex were inappropriate, IMO. There was a way to discuss the task without being so crass, but that's Trump. He doesn't have to worry about being sued, so he'll ask a candidate anything he feels like asking. I'll have to watch again tonight to see Carolyn's reaction Trump's sex talk.
I agree. Trump's the alpha dog in the room, and he never lets anyone forget it, by saying whatever the hell he wants. All the comments he made about sex were inappropriate, IMO. There was a way to discuss the task without being so crass, but that's Trump. He doesn't have to worry about being sued, so he'll ask a candidate anything he feels like asking. I'll have to watch again tonight to see Carolyn's reaction Trump's sex talk.
Substantive content, please.
The problem with separating your private life from your professional life is that it's alien to Trump. I much prefer Adam's approach, since endorsing the notion of privacy is a little out of step with the reality-tv trend, but I think he'd have gotten more credit from Trump if he'd given a virginity-is-my-religion answer, so Trump could have talked about the low-cal part of the menu or something.
And I think Adam could actually have used his rather-not-talk-about-it-at-work position effectively in the presentation, using himself as an example of a colleague who would treat workplace romance in a particular way. Of course, that would have involved actually, you know, covering material.
And I think Adam could actually have used his rather-not-talk-about-it-at-work position effectively in the presentation, using himself as an example of a colleague who would treat workplace romance in a particular way. Of course, that would have involved actually, you know, covering material.
That's exactly what sprang to my mind as well. (Alla was probably thinking 'I bet it did, in my day even a lap dance was $20.').[/quote]
Well according to Alla's courtroom testimony in the trial of the man who killed people to pay for her lap dances and other gifts, she was much more well paid then that. The lawyer misspoke and said that she charged $15 and she got very upset and interrupted him with the correct amount, $1500 a night for entertaining. Then the lawyer apologized for insulting her in that way. I wonder if that lawyer is related to Bren.
Well according to Alla's courtroom testimony in the trial of the man who killed people to pay for her lap dances and other gifts, she was much more well paid then that. The lawyer misspoke and said that she charged $15 and she got very upset and interrupted him with the correct amount, $1500 a night for entertaining. Then the lawyer apologized for insulting her in that way. I wonder if that lawyer is related to Bren.
[Snipped thoughts on virginity qua virginity.]
I was glad Adam refused to answer. Whether he is or not is none of anyone's business. It has no bearing on whether he is qualified to "run" one of Trump's companies.
I was glad Adam refused to answer. Whether he is or not is none of anyone's business. It has no bearing on whether he is qualified to "run" one of Trump's companies.
With all the sex talk in the boardroom, I was dying at the exchange between Trump and Adam at the end.
(paraphrased)
DT: Adam, you're soft!
ADAM: I can prove to you that I can be hard!
'Nuff said.
I wondered, given the short time frame, how the audiences were recruited -- IE, I imagine that somehow an audience was rounded up by the Learning Annex for a free class, topic TBA. Perhaps they got frequent Learning Annex attendees or something like that. If that was the case, jumping immediately to a sex-related topic in order to "grab people!" and fill the room wouldn't have been absolutely necessary (although as people have pointed out, both of these classes were the sorts of things the Learning Annex does.) If you have a captive audience, just give them something that you can speak about with knowledge and conviction -- and get them involved! The questionnaires and breakout discussions that Randal's team used were smart moves, rather than just blathering on about something, no matter how provocative the subject matter.
I agree with ladyveg from far upthread, who wanted to see a mix of comments for both teams -- not just accolades for the winners and harsh criticism for the losers. And I also agree with the poster (sorry, I've lost the post now) who attributed the close scores to the "curse of the sevens." The only real "fair" score would be to have the classes presented to the same exact audience and be scored afterward, which I gather did not happen.
I wasn't sorry to see Markus go -- although I wished that he'd been fired in a week when he was more directly responsible for the failure. But -- Markus -- what were you doing with a YO-YO? Either a new one right out of a box, or one that you keep in a special carrying case? This was like George Bush Sr. checking his watch during a debate.
I love Rebecca -- but when is she going to do something? I found it a little odd that Randal was immediately made PM, but there was no doubt he knew what to do.
(paraphrased)
DT: Adam, you're soft!
ADAM: I can prove to you that I can be hard!
'Nuff said.
I wondered, given the short time frame, how the audiences were recruited -- IE, I imagine that somehow an audience was rounded up by the Learning Annex for a free class, topic TBA. Perhaps they got frequent Learning Annex attendees or something like that. If that was the case, jumping immediately to a sex-related topic in order to "grab people!" and fill the room wouldn't have been absolutely necessary (although as people have pointed out, both of these classes were the sorts of things the Learning Annex does.) If you have a captive audience, just give them something that you can speak about with knowledge and conviction -- and get them involved! The questionnaires and breakout discussions that Randal's team used were smart moves, rather than just blathering on about something, no matter how provocative the subject matter.
I agree with ladyveg from far upthread, who wanted to see a mix of comments for both teams -- not just accolades for the winners and harsh criticism for the losers. And I also agree with the poster (sorry, I've lost the post now) who attributed the close scores to the "curse of the sevens." The only real "fair" score would be to have the classes presented to the same exact audience and be scored afterward, which I gather did not happen.
I wasn't sorry to see Markus go -- although I wished that he'd been fired in a week when he was more directly responsible for the failure. But -- Markus -- what were you doing with a YO-YO? Either a new one right out of a box, or one that you keep in a special carrying case? This was like George Bush Sr. checking his watch during a debate.
I love Rebecca -- but when is she going to do something? I found it a little odd that Randal was immediately made PM, but there was no doubt he knew what to do.
This isn't a chat room.
How about, "Thank you Mr. Trump, I don't mean any disrespect, but I think it is possible to separate my personal life from my job performance."
Or, "I appreciate the advice, but trust me, it's really not necessary in my case."[/quote]
Then Trump would've been like "Well, if that's the case, you should not have gotten up in front of a room full of people to discuss your private life while on an interview for my company." Of course, he would've said it in a much HUGER way than I ever could.
Or.." Maybe it's time to make it necessary, here's a $20-- go get yourself a hooker--nah, actually, here's $100 go get yourself the YOOGEST hooker you can find."
You know, I never realize just damn talented Trump is until I try to type what I think would be his thoughts.
Or, "I appreciate the advice, but trust me, it's really not necessary in my case."[/quote]
Then Trump would've been like "Well, if that's the case, you should not have gotten up in front of a room full of people to discuss your private life while on an interview for my company." Of course, he would've said it in a much HUGER way than I ever could.
Or.." Maybe it's time to make it necessary, here's a $20-- go get yourself a hooker--nah, actually, here's $100 go get yourself the YOOGEST hooker you can find."
You know, I never realize just damn talented Trump is until I try to type what I think would be his thoughts.
Holy inappropriate interview questions, Batman!
According to the official bios, Adam is only 22. He still looks 15 though. [/quote]
Well, that makes total sense. Clearly, based on how Trump looks, sex ages you. Once he gets laid, Adam will look at least 25. After three wives, he'll be in need of a dye job and have bad orange skin too.
Well, that makes total sense. Clearly, based on how Trump looks, sex ages you. Once he gets laid, Adam will look at least 25. After three wives, he'll be in need of a dye job and have bad orange skin too.
Next Week: Adam loses his virginity to Chewbaca.[/quote]
Please tell me that's not a new nickname for the combover.
Please tell me that's not a new nickname for the combover.
When I watched last night, I heard Clay say "But remember, he's the shy-type Jewish boy." I didn't really think anything about it until Adam's interview. Then I watched it again, with captions. My captions said "shy-type."
What I really think Clay is most guilty of is the Jay Leno syndrome, which is what happens when someone doesn't really listen to what other people are saying because he's too busy thinking of what he is going to say next. I think Clay did this because he thought he was more entertaining than anyone else. So he missed the part about buying dinner, and even if he did say tight (which, again, I didn't hear), he didn't mean anything about money.
What I really think Clay is most guilty of is the Jay Leno syndrome, which is what happens when someone doesn't really listen to what other people are saying because he's too busy thinking of what he is going to say next. I think Clay did this because he thought he was more entertaining than anyone else. So he missed the part about buying dinner, and even if he did say tight (which, again, I didn't hear), he didn't mean anything about money.
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