My only problem with this is that, had the situation been reversed, you know Clay would have thrown a shit-fit. If, say, after his own presentation which alluded several times to his homosexuality, Adam had followed up with some off-the-cuff remark including a phrase like "the gay boy" or "the big queen," Clay wouldn't have accepted an "oh, I was just playing off your statements" excuse. See: his entire reaction to the boardroom.[/quote]
His reaction in the boardroom seemed to be based on the claims Alla and Adam made that his homosexuality made the people uncomfortable. They seemed to be trying to make his homosexuality an issue and maybe make Trump fire him both for anti-Semitism and his being gay. I don't think Clay would have had a problem with one of them making a joke about his homosexuality during the presentation, since he brought his homosexuality up.
Adam claimed he said 'Jew', which I never heard him say. Adam and Alla said he made several comments about 'Jews', when we only heard one. The whole point seemed to be that Clay should go because he hated Jewish people. Then when Adam realized the wheels were falling off, suddenly he said Clay was not anti-Semetic.
I think Adam may have turned the situation into a strategic maneuver and I can see why Clay was pissed, but I hope he gets over his attitude soon. I hope Adam and Clay can work the whole thing out because they were both wrong and they were both right.
What makes you think that I even WANT to talk to you at all?
And,since we're on the subject, let me tell you something. My boss at workis gay. And he's one of the coolest guys I've had the pleasure ofknowing. And we DO make fun of each other. He tells me all the thingshe wants to do to Rob Thomas, and I just laugh and say, "Dude! I don'twant to hear that!" But I have NEVER called him "faggot". The ideawouldn't even cross my mind. And the thing is, I could probably getaway with it, because we have a good relation and all, but there's justsome things you don't do, on the grounds it MIGHT be TAKEN OFFENSIVE!If you don't know that by now, you don't deserve to be here. So Clay,stop acting like you're untouchable no matter what you do. It'sactually starting to disgust me.[/quote]
I don't think Clay expects anyone on a message board to talk to him.
To me, there is a big difference between 'faggot' and 'Jewish boy', although I can understand Jewish people could feel different about the language. If Clay had said 'kike', then that would be the same to me as a word like 'faggot'. If your boss used that word about himself over and over, and then you casually mentioned the word, then although he might be upset, he would probably understand that he laid the groundwork by using the word himself on frequent occasions.
Brinswan
Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:57 pm
Yes, but you're cheap because...you're cheap. [/quote]
Well, yes. But it's a funny thing to be. It's not appropriate but I suppose something that friends can do with each other. My bf likes to point it out a lot, even though he's even cheaper than me, but he's just a southern boy so it's not as funny. I get him back by making fun of him for walking slow and using the word "suppose" excessively.
I guess I'm just saying there are certain situations when a comment like Clay's would not really be offensive, at least to some people. If he was good friends with the person in question, if the person in question was easy going, if it was in a non-professional situation. So . . I think the whole deal with Clay is nothing he said was objectively wrong, it was just stupid and inappropriate. Same with all the talk about his boss slapping his ass.
PS shirtless Randal YOWZA He looks so skinny with clothes on, and then he takes his shirt off and wow is he built. Rebecca looked nice in that v-neck dress too, maybe the necklace was a bit much. Marshawn . . step away from those pants . . .
rubbersquash
Nov 3, 2005 @ 11:01 pm
[QUOTE] OMG. Kelly PerWho? still works for Trump.
My sentiments exactly.
Flavialynn
Nov 3, 2005 @ 11:03 pm
It was bullshit when Markus said he was railroaded.[/quote]
When he said this was I thought he was stuttering around and meant to say "it's been a rollercoaster." As in "it's been crazy! woo-hoo!" Because my brain wouldn't allow itself to process what actually happened.
Geea7
Nov 3, 2005 @ 11:04 pm
My only problem with this is that, had the situation been reversed, you know Clay would have thrown a shit-fit.[/quote]
He practically did throw one, on the way back up to and entering the suite.
I don’t buy the argument that Markus shouldn’t have been fired because he wasn’t the reason they lost this task. Of COURSE he wasn’t, because he never contributes anything that could possibly be used in the final product.[/quote]
That was basically Carolyn's point. As soon as she started talking like that to Markus, I had a feeling that Markus would be the one to be fired.
Adam claimed he said 'Jew', which I never heard him say. [/quote]
Adam was talking about a first date type situation, and he said something about not wanting to have to pay for dinner, and in response, Clay said that Adam is a "tight-*ss Jew". He used the word Jew, and it was in response to Adam mentioning not wanting to pay for something. Either way you look at it, it was inappropriate, and Clay of all people should know better. However, he did apologize. But the point Adam was trying to make is that it was a comment made during the presentation, therefore something potentially offensive to certain members of the audience.
Clay's presentation also was not appropriate. I know the point George was trying to make but still, Clay was off track.
Then again, what was the track?;)
deaja
Nov 3, 2005 @ 11:05 pm
This was, IMO, one of the best episodes of the season...... I've found many of them to be boring this year.
P.S. I think we can easily call Marcus "anti-semantic." [/quote]
DeepintheHeart, I love you!
One more thing: I thought the scores were indicative of the Seven phenomenon. I bet the vast majority of people gave both groups 7s across the board, because they were all, "Eh, whatever." Then the few people who had strong opinions basically decided who won the task. This is why "1-10" should be phased out in favor of either letter grades (which correspond to percentages, basically, but everyone understands the difference between a C- and a B+) or, honestly, a scale from five to ten. [/quote]
Definitely. My mom kept saying "The one group wasn't good.... how are they so close?" But really, when was the last time you had a comment card and gave 1s unless you were really, really, really upset?
Kelly- yay!
Trump was way out of line in so many ways in the boardroom! I was so mad at him! Asking Adam about his sex life? As soon as Adam said Clay isn’t an anti-Semite, suddenly Clay is completely off the hook and Adam doesn’t get to finish what he was going to say about it disrupting the presentation.
I fail to be impressed by Marshawn or Rebecca. Marshawn’s speaking was nice, and she’s good in the boardroom, but I’ve never really seen her do much. I didn’t think she was a great PM when she won either. And Rebecca has yet to do anything except defend herself in the boardroom. Complaining they were going to lose when the task had just started? Come on.
Oh, and Trump didn’t know Clay was gay? And he hand-selected these candidates? That was the first thing we knew about Clay this game
True Dat
Nov 3, 2005 @ 11:07 pm
Damn, why didn't the hair can both Marcus and Clay?
Cringeworthiest moment: George interviews: "Randal is doing a great job as PM. He speaks well." Ay yiy yi. Chris Rock's voice was running through my brain on that one.
Snorting LOL moment: Marcus's cab-terview
"Mmfdmsamhsfinckoaoh'idhjbhsajjagitenkwtbihqghabhjbdbmxmxmxmshbjdgfqhbgflshjhfoghvfhjiydfigv
fyrbfiw."
That's what I heard. Am I the only one?
Edited because Marcus is not Randal. Thank Dog!
AwNutz
Nov 3, 2005 @ 11:07 pm
Paradise said (a great maaaaaannnny posts back)
I can't believe he said "Do you really mean it?" to Trump... ARE YOU KIDDING? Markus should be kissing Trump's ass for keeping him as long as he did. [/quote]
WORD! and also, WORD! My jaw about hit the floor when I heard him say that. The first thing I said (after I recovered from my shock) was, "Way to burn that fuckin' bridge to the ground, moron."
RhondaGC
Nov 3, 2005 @ 11:08 pm
I think they should have done a seminar on avoiding corporate-speak. Then they could have utilized their assets and executed their results. Huh? [/quote]
And also maximized their potential, thought outside the box, and stepped up to the plate.
And I heard "tight Jewish boy" with no "ass." I listened to it three times and I thought that's what I heard. Did I miss something? Maybe I did because I kept wondering why Adam kept saying that he said "tight-ass." I thought he was blowing it up, or maybe that's what he heard in his head, but not really why Clay said? Anyone know for sure?
FleaBailey
Nov 3, 2005 @ 11:08 pm
I've really enjoyed the comments tonight--laughed out loud several times.
Clay was an ass. He was trying to be witty about Adam and came out with a comment that was a slur. I don't think he's intentionally anti-semitic either, but I do think his desire to be seen as a great wit made him speak without thinking about how he was going to sound. Also, his non-apology apology to Adam was annoying--"I'm sorry if you were offended [you oversensitive weenie]"--his "Don't speak to me!" was ridiculously, stereotypically prissy, and his door-slam was just immature. He'll be out next.
There is not a doubt in my mind that Randal will win. I've thought so since the beginning--the Donald's previous choices have generated too much pointed (and justified, in my opinion) commentary, so this year they selected a black male candidate who is so unquestionably over-qualified that there isn't a chance in hell of his failing. It's going to be a loooooong, looooooooooong time before a black female wins, though, and they'll probably have to recruit a Nobel prize-winning black female before it happens.
Markus is just indescribable. He does remind me of a coworker I had some years back though. She would write incoherent legal briefs that missed the point entirely, but when challenged would invariably respond that all the rest of the attorneys in the office just didn't have the intelligence to understand her arguments.
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