God I want Bailey to take the dog. Soooo bad.

And I foresee the patient with the broken heart hooking up with Izzie.

Bailey getting the dog would be too, too funny! Given the way she talks to the interns, dealing with terror dog would be something to see....but then they'd have to show us some of her home life.

In the spolier thread, a lot of people are going on about how McDreamy's being so cruel to Addison by stringing her along, telling her he loves Mer, etc. She cheated on him. With. His. Best. Friend. Sorry, but that pretty much says it all for me. Nothing excuses that...not 'emotional distance' as some speculate, or growing apart, or anything. You just don't do that. It's the one storyline on GA that I really don't like. I still don't get why he didn't just sign the papers.

ETA the part about McD & Addison, which is what I originally meant to say but then I read the post about the hell hound.

In the previews for next week, please correct me if I am smoking the crack but did I see a close-up of McD and IZZIE followed by a female voice saying something like "I'd like to keep this a secret"? It might have been Mere (although the shot of Mere looking wounded just before the close-up made it appear as if she was being done wrong) but man what drama if that turned out to be another one of the Gang.

I hope this is the right forum for this discussion.

I find it sinister that there has been little to no news about Sara Ramirez this summer. Do you think she's not going to be back next fall? I mean, she did say something about being signed for the full season next year, which could count as a spoiler.

Maybe Shonda changed her mind about the character?

SR is indeed a regular next year, signed on for a full season. She will be returning in the fall along w/ the other new regular- Eric Dane's McSteamy.

Unto my completely unspoiled specs...

I don't think Mere will choose either man in the premiere, but will instead go to comfort Izzie. I do think that in order to redeem Shepherd tho, he will immediately, that night, tell Addie that it's over between them and ask her to move out.

I also hope that the premiere features Mark and everyone's reactions to him coming back, and staying permanently at Grace. I'd love to see the look on Shepherd's face, and I can only hope that his arrival means a new love affair for my girl Addie.

I'm curious what they're going to have Izzie do now that she quit her job. She's not like the others- no debt, so I guess she has money saved up from the past year. Maybe she'll switch to an easier speciality? Altho her speech in the finale definitely led me to believe she's over medicine forever. But if she is really gone, I can't see how they'll fit her scenes in, or how Shonda will be able to facilitate the reunion between her and Alex.

And regarding specs on the future. I think it's pretty much a given that Mere's sister Lexi will appear as an intern next season (S4), if not late S3. She just has to, there is no way Shonda told us about it to forget it.

One of our interns is also going to be named head resident sometime in the future. Personally, my money is either on Mere or George. George b/c we've been shown time and again that when push comes to shove, he can handle the job. He's good in pressure cookers, and he's a very good surgeon. So unless Shonda just can't help herself and ends up giving the job to her golden girl Mere, George is the next logical choice imo.

And regarding the specializations the surgeons are going to take is also pretty clear to me.

Mere-Shepherd...I mean come on, can we really imagine her choosing another attending to work w/?
Alex-McSteamy...Alex already worships the ground the guy walks on just by seeing him suture his own face
George-Burke...they're special friends
Cristina-Addie...how awesome would it be the coldest, most reserved surgeon gets to practice cooing and awwing and delivering babies all day. Or maybe Cristina/Alex can switch since Addie is so hellbent on Alex working w/ her.

What about Christina being head resident? She is the competitive, top of the heap type one.

Also, I don't really get the progression. They will all become residents, right? Do they have to choose a specialty with that? And does that determine who they work with? Because it seems to me that Bailey works with attendings in different specialties, and that her specialty hasn't really been played up. Also, if each of our interns becomes a resident, wont there be too many residents? And, will each one of them get a group of interns? That sounds like a big cast. Will they be co-workers with Bailey?

I think that they are interns for 2 years, not just one. I'm guessing that we will see them transition to 2nd Yr interns while a new crop of first-years come in.

My guess is that Izzie will not leave the hospital - it would make storylines too difficult - but that she switches to OB/GYN. She has already spent a lot of time with Addison on her cases(the quints, the burned lady, cancer friend) before Addison picked Alex as her whipping boy - and it's a much more nuturing field, which is exactly what Izzie needs. IMO, she is too sensitive for hard-core surgery.

Plus, by moving over to Addison, that frees up Alex to move back to Surgery.

I'm hoping that they don't just have Izzie transition into another specialty. She broke too many rules, she stole a heart. She should atleast be suspended for a while. I'd like to see her working at Joe's or even at the Vet's if he's sticking around for what was it 6 more episodes? By then maybe she could get a hearing for if she'd be allowed back in to another specialty. Or maybe she could be a physical therapist and help rehab Burke.

I'm wondering if we are going to get to see Denny's funeral. I'd love to see Izzie breaking down to Jem's Missing You.

Can we please not see Denny breaking down anymore? I think we had enough of that in the prom ep. Altho, how hilarious was Cristina when she was all "Izzie, get off, they have to take him to the morgue"> Oh man.

I could imagine that hey have set it up so that Izzie's first storylin e is her sitting at home, baking maybe, doing nothing and watching her surgeon friends surgeon, getting jealous maybe, wanting to spend more time with them, etc... And maybe she is depressed or recovering from the Denny fiasco. And Alex continues his savior role by trying to get her interested in life again, interested in surgery, and they come up with some way to get around the whole breaking the law/codes of ethics things and she returns to being exactly where she was. That is actually what I think is most likely: she wont switch or anything. She will take some time away, and they will come up with a crazy plan to get her back into the same program.

I think her being an ex-surgical intern but living with Mer and George would get to be a pretty old story pretty quick.

Izzie could be a nurse too.

That would be interesting given Shonda's whole "surgical arrogance" concept and the way the interns take it as an insult to be called a nurse. That being said, I don't think she will do that. I'm no medical expert, but I doubt graduating from Med school would qualify one to be a nurse, She'd probably have to go back to school to be in a nursing program and get registered/licensed. I'm going with the other posters who said she will just go back into surgery. Even with all the questioning and drama around the LVAD stuff, it didn't seem to me like anyone was going to be kicked out of the program. Webber wouldn't want to report the incident because the hospital would loose it's transplant credibility and SGH would be surrounded by scandal. Plus Bailey tried to stop Izzie from quitting as she was walking out. My guess is she gets back in with a slap on the wrist, which is okay by me because this show is about surgeons.

I think Finn will turn out to be insane. Not really, but it would liven the character up a little. Here me out. He seems way too perfect. The way he says "I have plans" is really creepy. The way he says "I've been calling your cell all night" is also a little creepy. Maybe he fabricated the tests about Doc. Maybe he was driven insane by all the deaths in his family. I think there might be a bit of a twist in his character. There was also that line(in tonight's episode) about George saying that Meredith would wind up in a hole in some guy's basement being ordered to rub the lotion on the skin or else you'll get the hose again. That could've been foreshadowing. Wouldn't be ironic that if the guy she attempted an actual relationship turned out to be the psycho serial killer or something.

I don't think this will happen(maybe a little). Like I said, at least I wouldn't be bored with him. Instead I'd want to kill him.

Lol, if this was Veronica Mars, or even Desperate, I'd probably agree, but this is Grey's. All the men here are perfect, they all behave according to how Shonda thinks they should, well *her* men do. For example, in 1.02 there was the rapist storyline where the guy was obviously horrible, but it made Shepherd look all the kinder and gentler.

No way would Shonda give Mere even a "mean" guy to date, esp not a psycho rapist. Burke telling Cristina that she's lucky he loves her was as far as Shonda will ever dare to venture. These dudes are a woman's fantasy, Finn is just the icing on the cake. My prediction? He'll realize that Mere is still too hung up on Shepherd, he'll break up w/ her, and retreat w/ his tail between his legs to his vet office (pun intended...hee).

You're probably right. But you always got to watch out for the quiet pony loving veterinarians.

Yeah, Finn's a little creepy...but I found Denny a little creepy (well, at the very least inappropriately flirty) at times as well. (This was after my initial hatred of him died down.) I doubt that he's going to turn into the next Norman Bates. Or George from Desperate Housewives.


I don't think so; you have to go to nursing school, right? I don't think she'd go down that path. But I also don't think that she'd go back to being a surgeon-- a doctor, maybe, in some other capacity, but not a surgeon. From the very beginning Izzie didn't seem to have the drive and the passion for surgery that the other interns do; she always seemed to be more into saving lives. Also, even though this is TV, I would hate Shonda forever if Izzie got back into the program somehow. Because even if she gets away with stealing a heart, etc. legally, Webber wouldn't let her get near a scalpel in his hospital again.

I do think that she will somehow find her way back into Seattle Grace, though, at least so that the writers can still integrate her into the storylines. And I'd love to see her talking to a counsellor. Because if anyone on this show needs some serious therapy right now, it's her. (And even though, as I said, I think it's highly unlikely, if Webber/whoever's in charge of these decisions lets her back in, they'd better make one of their conditions that she see a therapist.)

It is also possible that Izzie will just mope around the house for a good portion of the season, which could get old, fast, unless they do something new and fresh about it, especially since Izzie can be a little grating (to say the least!) at times. I just hope that the writers don't forget about her grief over losing Denny OR, just as importantly, her GUILT, because any normal person would be feeling a lot of it right now. Her actions from "17 Seconds" onwards affected a hell of a lot of people-- herself, Denny, Burke, Cristina, the guy who actually deserved the heart she STOLE, and the other interns, who put their careers on the line to help her.

Sorry I got a little rambley- my posts aren't usually this long. But to me, the real cliffhanger was Izzie's storyline, not Meredith's Quadrangle of Doom. (My 2 cents on that: after about 5 seconds, Meredith will bail and go home to Izzie, then choose Finn, because she's still hurt about Derek, and confused about the exam-room sex and all that jazz.)

All right, I'll shut up now.

I still think it is more likely that she goes back to surgery, maybe after some time off, because theethical and legal issues of Izzie's breakdown had nothing to do with scalpels/surgery per se, but rather with the Hippocratic Oath and the basic ethical/legal ssues of practicing medicine, any kind of medicine.

Also, Addison told chief that Izzie was one of the best she'd seen in years.

And finally, besides the problem of having to be retrained in nursing, I think that kind of move is unrealistic because she just finished however many years of school where she had plenty of time to figure out that she wasn't really a surgeon-type, and where she spent $200,000 and countless hours earning her degree.

Although, to take issue with myself, Chief in the pilot says that some number of interns will drop out, some number will be asked to leave, and some number will switch to easier specialties. SO, it could happen. I just don't see it working too well for Izzie.

My guess on the Meh situation (based on McVet being on 6 more eps) is that she'll mope and waffle for 4 eps definitely choose Derek on 5 and kick McVet to the curb in 6. I think it's sad. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. I think Derek is one of the worst kind of men. And I feel sorry for Shonda that she buys in to (creates) his misogynistic crap.

I'm glad to hear that McSteamy is coming back! I sincerely hope that he gets lots of happy and half naked storylines.

As for Izzy I think she'll end up in Ob/Gyn. There was the set up with how good she is at it. It's a good set up to get her and Alex working closer together. And it will keep her away from patients that she could fall in love with. If she's still on the show, they will fan-wank her into still being a doctor, IMHO.

The only thing I'm not sure of is whether Christina and Burke will stay a couple. They seem to be having more and more issues between them. What do y'all think?

I don't think that Meredith will actually "pick" the vet. I think, if they stay true to her character, she will at least be honest with him about her feelings about Derek (maybe not the sex part) and she will not end up staying with him because that would be the same thing that Derek did with Addison and she can not hurt Finn that way.

I think, like a lot of posters here, that Meredith will avoid Derek for as long as she can. She already started that in the exam room. I could see an elevator scene, much like Meredith confronted George, Derek will confront Meredith. If Derek does not end the marriage pronto, not only will I be physically sick, but the exam room was just sex and it meant nothing. Derek's reason for staying the marriage - the vows and to be the "good guy" - no longer exist. I also wonder if Meredith's statement to the chief "She left her husband for you" was forshadowing for Derek "He left his wife for you." She just said it with such strength.



I agree. They have already forshadowed her and Addison working together. That would also expand Addison's role as a stronger character away from Derek and Meredith. Was it also forshadowing when Izzy talked to Alex about the section of the bar being for surgeons, not Ob/Gyn's?



Christina and Burke are surely in for a tough time this year. Whether they stay a couple or not it will be great to see more of them each week. They have been sacraficed in S2 for the sake of the triangle from hell. Anything that gives me more amazing performances from Sandra Oh I will tune in for.

Defintely stay together. They are Grey's Mondler. In a show that constantly plays musical beds, where the leads are fucking each other and about 5 other people every episode, there needs to be one steady, longterm couple that sticks together through everything. They need to be the anchor in an otherwise psychotic environment. I mean who hasn't slept together yet? Or at least had strong forshadowing that they will? And it's only S2. B/C need to stay together and work through their problems like a normal couple irl would.

My spec is that Mer will become pregnant from George or Derek..and that will be an interesting mess, ugly one but interesting. It will give us a chance to see who really loves her. At the end of S2 I was wondering about George. Was his speech to Mer “I will always love you and I will never leave you” sincere? He left her 15 minutes later after that speech, but does it mean that he is not in love with Mer anymore? How serious George was/is in love with Mer?

It won’t be a big surprise for me if Mer will marry McVet, who will be a stepfather to her child and Der will become a “friend” with Finn, in order to be close to Mer. This will be a real TRAGEDY, since Finn is a nice, decent and honest man (so far) and he doesn’t deserve the marriage from hell. Mer is already screwing him to get over being screwed by Derek. She started a new relationship, which is not the cure for the old one, and she brought all the problems of her past into new relationship..How sad, because she is missing an opportunity to be HAPPY with a good man. Finn could be the “love of her life” and treat her right, but she already made a few serious mistakes that are hard to overcome. It’s not a fate, it’s her stupid choice in life!!

With this pregnancy thing, I have a question..Is there a reliable med test on the market – to determine who the father of the unborn child is? I mean if a woman is about 1 or 2 months pregnant, is it possible to find out who the true father is, provided that she has a DNA of 2 men? I am pretty sure that this is illegal, but if you work in the lab/near lab where these types of tests are available- is it possible? I am far from all of this, maybe it’s a simple procedure already?

Since COD is only signed for 6 eps, and has other things in the works, I can't see this happening. If Shonda really wants to mess with us, she could have COD ride off into the sunset, THEN have Mer find out she's pregnant, not knowing whose baby it is.

haberdine, you can find out the paternity of your child when you are three months pregnant. I don't know whether it is illegal, though, to do this without the knowledge of the man/men. (I imagine not, though-- these kind of scenarios have only sprung up in the past decade or so, so I don't think there are too many laws about it as yet.)

Thank you Enigma13. See, after 3 months, aborts are illegal? I asked a few of my friends and nobody knows for sure about that..What if woman wants to know without a potential fathers knowing?

Yes, I know that COD was signed for 6 ep. only..but in my mind I prefer this scenario to George/Mer marriage..If we have to see more bad marriages on the show, I would go for Finn/Mer than George/Mer.

I dislike George character (good acting.. no problem with an actor), even though he is a good doctor (I see him as an excellent pediatrician in the future) and a good friend, but as a Man I find him dislikable. Maybe because I see him as a man with mother/son complex, and that's why Callie is so good for him; or for the lack of his social skill. I don't know, but he doesn't look like a marrying material to me. He cannot pull himself together emotionally..

Don't know where you live, but 2nd trimester abortions are NOT illegal in most parts of the US - but that really has no bearing on paternity tests. And I believe that, practically speaking, it would be nearly impossible to conduct a paternity test without the cooperation of the DNA donors.

Anywhoo, I think any Meredith pregnancy storyline, especially if it involves Who's Your Daddy intrigue, would be absolutely ridiculous. I would see this as a tactic not even worthy of the most tawdry telenovela. This is not a credible story arc, IMO, and would drive away lots of viewers.

Wordy McWord. The Who's the Daddy crap is so ridiculous and overplayed it's pathetic. If there is a pregnancy, it has to be Shepherd's just b/c shows never make the "daddy" anyone other than the "soulmate." If it's Finn's, she'll get it aborted or she'll miscarry or something. Or she'll get preggers from exam room sex (please no!!!!!!!!), and have to figure out a way to tell Finn, Shepherd, and of course Addie.

My pure speculation about pregnancy was based on my logical conclusion from the last few episodes..Why we needed to see sex scene with George and the whole hospital found out? And Mer's confession to Der? And not sleeping with Fin?
With Mer's luck, I think she will get a child from George or Der. Impulsive decisions/lost of control - always have a price! For viewers it will be not an issue "Who is the daddy?", I agree, it's kind of trivial, but my question is who will take the responsibility? It's the only way to find out who really loves her..Don't you think? My point is George will probably show himself as a decent and honorable man, even if he knows/suspects that he is not the father.
Common, they put dog to sleep..Now she must have a child of love..

I hate to think if she will get pregnant from George..That's why I was thinking about paternity test. DNA specimen is not a problem, just get a hair from both men.
I do not insist, but I think the paternity test on early stage of pregnancy - like 1 or 2 months - without a legal permission from father(s), provided that you do have a hair or something like that - is illegal.

Oops! I wasn't talking about abortions, only paternity testing-- that is, that it is only possible, medically/scientifically speaking, to find out the paternity of your child when you are 3 months pregnant, not before.

See, that's exactly my point. I suspect that it is medically possible to know before that 3 months mark..but practically? Sorry, personally I am far from the whole pregnancy/paternity issue, but I find it strange that young women close to me don't know much on the subject. We see on TV talk shows..etc..but in reality, if a woman wants to know who the father is, and if she is working in a hospital that makes these tests..Can she find out for herself?
Remember the blood work - Derek is helping Mer's mother to get into trial program..George syph line is also kind of bloody issue. It will obviously come back..Why not with paternity test?