I'm actually not that big a fan of Derek, but he got a lot more interesting once Addison showed up. There is some nice chemistry with the actors. They just seem so suited. [/quote]
That's exactly how I feel about Derek this season. He pissed me off last season because he seemed so smug with Meredith, and he kept bugging her even when she told him to back off, but now that I see him all vulnerable, I kinda like him. Getting cheated on so he can look like a sad, hurt puppy for me is the best thing the writers could've done for Derek.
Paradise
Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:21 am
I just don't feel the chemistry between these two at all. Addison comes off a too cold and too uncaring for me to feel any heat between them. She is very calculated and manipulative but does a good job at hiding that with her “I don’t give a shit” attitude. The only time I’ve seen her act “human” is when she was dealing with that baby in the neonatal unit.
The other thing that bugs me about her is that she hasn’t given him a heartfelt apology. She’s kinda like “yeah I cheated with your best friend, so what”… and I don’t see how McD can just open his heart back up to her when she basically doesn’t seemed bothered by anything that has happened in the past.
rekkidbraka
Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:55 am
Chemistry? If it's the kind that turns Dr. Jekyll into Mr. Hyde then, yes, I guess they do have that.
whatthedeuce
Nov 2, 2005 @ 10:05 am
Hasn't she apologized? I'd like to think I'm paying good enough attention to this show to know the answer to that, but I'm also immersed in my textbooks while I watch so I tend to miss some crucial stuff. I recall her saying he'd never know how sorry she was or something like that and admitting she still loved him in theepisode with the premie.
happy2b
Nov 2, 2005 @ 10:16 am
The other thing that bugs me about her is that she hasn’t given him a heartfelt apology. She’s kinda like “yeah I cheated with your best friend, so what”… and I don’t see how McD can just open his heart back up to her when she basically doesn’t seemed bothered by anything that has happened in the past.
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I think whatthedeuce is right. In the nursery, she opened up to him and told him her feelings. Either before or after the kiss(which was pretty hot, btw) that she still loved him.
I have thought all along that these two have chemistry,actually putting off some sexual tension. Maybe it is the verbal sparring that they are so good at. Then of course, PD probably has chemistry with a lamp post.
whatthedeuce
Nov 2, 2005 @ 1:09 pm
I think the verbal sparring is definitely what makes them amusing to watch. Hell, it's all they've really let them do so far so I guess there's not much else we're working with.
tvjunkie2008
Nov 2, 2005 @ 4:12 pm
I definitely like them together and they have great chemistry. But, even if they don't stay together, I want her to stay as a regular. She's a really interesting character and could have some great storylines, especially if she takes Izzy under her wing.
WesternSkies
Nov 2, 2005 @ 4:23 pm
ITA, tvjunkie! I think it'd be interesting to see sweet Izzie with tough-chick Addison as her mentor. Plus, I just like her. I think she makes for a nice contrast to the frazzled intern girls with her too-cool-for-school demeanor.
ETA: Er, but that's not quite on topic of me. I like Add/McD together just because I prefer Addison to Meh, and also because I think the dynamic of the McD's relationship is more interesting. Trying to repair a broken marriage is no simple task, but I think it'd be entertaining to see them try.
tvjunkie2008
Nov 2, 2005 @ 4:26 pm
I also find AddisonDerek to more realistic and relatable. I think their storylines could lead to some really great dramatic scenes for both actors.
whatthedeuce
Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:41 pm
Yeah, I'd love to see an overblown-in-a-very-captivating-and-moving-way-type scene from between Addison and Derek, a la Closer. The scene where Julia Roberts admits to Clive Owen that she's been having an affair is a memorable one, and the kind of breakup scene I've been waiting to see either on TV or in a movie. I would love to watch a scene similar to that between the McDs. Obviously, he already knows she cheated, but you know what I mean.
tvjunkie2008
Nov 2, 2005 @ 10:12 pm
I've never seen Closer, but ITA with whatthedeuce.
WesternSkies
Nov 2, 2005 @ 10:38 pm
TOTALLY, whatthedeuce (is your SN from Family Guy, btw? yay!). I think the McDs are capable of some serious intensity, based on their past history, that Meh/McD can't capture. I hope the writers take advantage of that.
whatthedeuce
Nov 2, 2005 @ 10:49 pm
WesternSkies, my name is indeed an homage to Stewie of Family Guy. Kudos to you for being a fellow fan!
Back to the topic, I feel that the McDs have so much intensity going on that should be explored, but there probably won't be much time for that since Kate Walsh only has another 3 or so episodes before she leaves. I have a feeling Addison and Derek must have had one of those very passionate marriages before that somehow came at the seams as a result of their hectic schedules. I wish they'd at least have the two of them fill us in a little about what their marriage was like before it fell apart.
Alden
Nov 3, 2005 @ 1:29 am
Apparently, Kate Walsh is in talks for more episodes....
whatthedeuce
Nov 3, 2005 @ 2:39 am
Alden, please don't be joking. My heart can't take that kinda cruelty. Where did you hear that from?
slapdragon
Nov 3, 2005 @ 9:32 am
Hurl. Go home, Salmon Scrubs. I just hate her, I really do. And her little wifey-poo arm grab during the last shots of last week's episode was just such a picture to me of her attitude - that McD belongs to HER, does everyone see me grabbing my HUSBAND'S arm?!?! Like I said in another forum, the only props I'm willing to give her is that her arrival did serve to reveal previously unknown depths to McD's character, which I guess is a good thing. But that point is now taken, I'm tired of seeing him sad because I love him, and now I want her to go away. I'd really like to see her cheatin' partner show up and stare her in her Molly Shannon-type succubus face - and then we can all sing "There's Got to be a Morning After" so she'll blow up!! Good times!
Alden
Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:14 pm
SpoilerFix.com - Ask Ausiello at TV Guide. Quote:
new 11/02 - Talks are under way to extend Addison's stay in Seattle. Source: Ask Ausiello @ TV GuideSpoilerFix
Beffers
Nov 4, 2005 @ 12:03 am
I think the McDs are capable of some serious intensity, based on their past history,[/quote]
Yeah, but its a "bad" intensity that has its roots in anger, bitterness and pain and I don't think you can build a successful relationship on that.
whatthedeuce
Nov 4, 2005 @ 12:11 am
Yeah, but it could improve if she had a longer stint on the show or became a permanent addition.
Beffers
Nov 4, 2005 @ 12:23 am
Yeah, but it could improve if she had a longer stint on the show or became a permanent addition.[/quote]
True, but I don't think their marrige was all that great to begin with, judging by McS's little speech in the elevator in 2.02 about them just drifting apart, and being too busy and driven career wise to take the time to make their marrige work. So I am at lost to figure out how they suddenly morph from a tired and bored old married couple into this SuperCouple of Raving Coolness and Passion that so many McD/McS shippers seem to think they will become, if they get back together. If they were insanely happy together before the breakup, I could get everyone rooting for them to get back together again. But they weren't, so I don't.
whatthedeuce
Nov 4, 2005 @ 12:29 am
Oh, I see your point. I guess it just depends on one's perception of what their marriage may have been like before it hit the skids. I just assumed they were happy until they got super busy with work, which is a sad reason to neglect a marriage or any relationship, but it happens, and when it does, it sure makes for some tasty drama!
Beffers
Nov 4, 2005 @ 1:43 am
it sure makes for some tasty drama![/quote]
O man, ain't that the truth !! I guess I'm just hung up on that little elevator rant by McS in 2.02. It never made sense to me that such a vibrant, passionate man such as McD would ever let a relaionship of his just I dunno...peter out from lack of interest and effort. It seems out of character for him. I kinda wish there was something else meatier and juicier that he did, that made McS cheat on him, than something as mundane and blah as that. O well....
whatthedeuce
Nov 4, 2005 @ 2:54 am
That's what I've been saying! The writers could've done a better job than making Addison cheat just to get his attention. That seems like the laziest and lamest thing they could've come up with. Maybe they really had intended for everyone to hate her, and then backed down after taping those episodes when they'd already made the mistake of explaining her affair as just "scratching an itch."
Beffers
Nov 4, 2005 @ 3:17 am
Yeah, but to give the writers their due though, I think the success of the show and the unexpected popularity of McS ( or more specifically KW and PD's brilliant acting/chemistry ) took every one by surprise. They thought they had a character on their hands that was supposed to be a one dimensional Cruella de Ville type bitch, who no one gave a sweet rats ass about and whose story could be told in just a few eps. But then the show and the characters took off and we are all invested in it, and the shows producers are in the enviable but dicey predicament of having to flesh out characters and story lines that they never really thought they would ever have to. I don't envy them.
whatthedeuce
Nov 4, 2005 @ 3:20 am
You know, that's a better perspective to take. I tend to just be all cynical and think the writers made a big mistake, but you could be right. It's just that they went out of their way to make her defend Meredith to that woman, which made people like her, but then gave her such a dumb reason for cheating, which made people hate her. I just think a lot of the mistake was made in the logic behind her affair. They really should've thought that one out more.
redhedm
Nov 4, 2005 @ 3:57 pm
Just reading & ITA with you guys. To me, part of the reason they did the whole "defend Meh" thing was to show that there had to be something good in McS to begin with in order for someone like McD to fall in love with her in the first place.
That said, people can change alot in 11 years and please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think we've seen McD & McS have a full on conversation about anything. Just some snarky banter in hallways and elevators or in from of other people (like the Chief and his wife).
We don't even know if that was the first time she had cheated- it may have been just the time she was caught. The "scratching and itch" and "trying to get his attention" excuses could be manipulation on her part.... does that make sense?
I need coffee.
Beffers
Nov 4, 2005 @ 11:06 pm
I don't think we've seen McD & McS have a full on conversation about anything. Just some snarky banter in hallways and elevators or in from of other people [/quote]
Yeah, and thats one of the things that really bothers me so far about Season 2. We've yet to see a scene between them where she wasn't being a smart ass trying to crank his chain, or he wasn't so pissed off, all he could do was be insulting to her. I want to see them talk, really, really talk. Their reunion ( no matter how long it does or doesn't last ) doesn't really seem believable to me, coz we have yet to see them really communicate with each other.
tvjunkie2008
Nov 5, 2005 @ 12:11 pm
I'm hoping for a serious talk between them as well. I think the audience deserves more backstory for Addison and her perspective on it all.
whatthedeuce
Nov 5, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
Yeah, I definitely want to hear more about her perspective on what happened in the marriage. I want for her to have a more complex reason for cheating. I don't think they'll give us one, but I wish so badly that they would.
Beffers
Nov 6, 2005 @ 12:39 am
Then again, if what did or didn't happen in the McD's marrige to make them both act the way they do, was all explained to us all in one ep and then wrapped up in a pretty pink bow with NO loose ends whatsoever, what is the point of watching the show ? TPTB are gonna feed us the minutest of details per episode, to whet our appetite but in no way quench our thirst for more, more, more. Bastards !! ....LOL !!
redhedm
Nov 6, 2005 @ 12:38 am
I want for her to have a more complex reason for cheating. I don't think they'll give us one, but I wish so badly that they would.
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Hopefully something will come out during the counseling sessions.
(Hope I did the "spoiler thing" correctly. First time and all...sorry if I didn't.
Beffers
Nov 6, 2005 @ 12:41 am
No, it looks fine. You did good.
redhedm
Nov 6, 2005 @ 12:45 am
TPTB are gonna feed us the minutest of details per episode, to whet our appetite but in no way quench our thirst for more, more, more. Bastards !! ....LOL !![/quote]
Good point. I was so engrossed in wanting to know what happened to the marriage was kind of forgetting, uh, yeah, this is a TV show...they need/want to keep us watching.
Yes, I need a life....your point?
Oh Cool, thanks Beffers.
ETA to thank Beffers.
Want2Sleep
Nov 6, 2005 @ 6:49 am
I just assumed they were happy until they got super busy with work, which is a sad reason to neglect a marriage or any relationship, but it happens, and when it does, it sure makes for some tasty drama! [/quote]
It's hard to forgive cheating, but some make it thru okay. But , in my mind, there is no forgiving cheating with your spouses best friend in your own bed. There is no reason for that---ever!!!! That is meant to hurt someone right to the core.
I don't care how busy the marriage got.
Beffers
Nov 6, 2005 @ 8:55 pm
It's hard to forgive cheating, but some make it thru okay. But , in my mind, there is no forgiving cheating with your spouses best friend in your own bed. There is no reason for that---ever!!!! That is meant to hurt someone right to the core.[/quote]
Word !! Some wounds go too deep to ever heal and that IMHO , is one of them. Mark is "family" to him too and a betrayal that deep, can't ever deal. I think McD is a very famiy oriented man ( judging by how many times he's brought up his sisters and their broods of kids and his stairwell speech to Meh about 11 years of family in 2.05 ) and he is in love more with the IDEA of having a happy family of his own one day, than he is with the actual woman who would give him one.....and that's why he went back to her. He'll realise sooner rather than later that it ain't EVER gonna happen and he'll cut his loses ( with much necessary grief for failing at marrige on the first go 'round ) and get back with Meh....at least, he'd better
flux
Nov 6, 2005 @ 10:25 pm
I'm glad someone actually thinks cheating is a bad thing. There's a lot of people rooting for Addison and McD but her cheating with his best friend is like the ultimate betrayal. And the fact that he caught them in bed...together...is the absolute end to the relationship. I can't wait until they break up again for good.
whatthedeuce
Nov 6, 2005 @ 11:32 pm
flux, I definitely think cheating is an awful thing to do to someone, esp. with their best friend and in one's own home, which is why I'm so surprised that I love Addison. I usually write a character off if they've been portrayed as an adulterer, but I can't help liking her. I think one of the reasons it's hard for most to sympathize with Addison is because the reason the writers gave her for cheating on McD was so damn stupid. I haven't seen the latest episode yet and don't know if they writers go into more detail about what happened that led to her affair, but I sincerely hope they do.
bria
Nov 6, 2005 @ 11:54 pm
What happened? The two of them were so incredibly hot with each other from the S1 finale all the way through to last week, and now they have all of the chemistry of a wet pile of noodles. I don't get it. As much as I thought they were going to work as a couple, they really, really don't. They just seem very bleh now that they're actually back together.
Beffers
Nov 7, 2005 @ 12:11 am
What happened? The two of them were so incredibly hot with each other from the S1 finale all the way through to last week, and now they have all of the chemistry of a wet pile of noodles. I don't get it. As much as I thought they were going to work as a couple, they really, really don't. They just seem very bleh now that they're actually back together.[/quote]
I think its very simple what happened. All of the "hotness" and passion and angst and "chemistry" that you saw over the past 8 eps has been very real and there, but it is all rooted in hurt feelings, wounded pride, pissed off angst and bickering blame-gaming. We have seen zero love and honest commitment to making their marrige work in S2, because BEFORE the big cheating incident there was ZERO love and commitment in making their marrige work ( if we take what McS said in the elevator in 2.02 about them just drifting apart as true.) So if that love and commitment wasn't there before the split, why people expect it to be there afterwards, is beyond me. They were a pair of drifting apart wet noodles before the split and they always will be IMHO.
bugbrain
Nov 7, 2005 @ 12:53 am
As much as I thought they were going to work as a couple, they really, really don't.[/quote]
I think it's not clear yet whether or not they will work as a couple, and I find the awkwardness and uncertainty as interesting as the bickering.
In her first few episodes, I was pleasantly suprised that Addison wasn't written (or acted) as a straight-up evil adulterous bitch that could easily be hated and/or dismissed. I was hopeful that TPTB would give us a story of two complicated, ambitious people trying to work their marriage out - trying see if their marriage can even be saved after years of neglect and, yes, egregious infidelity. (People have been known to get over that and worse in real life, after all.) I'm still hoping that's what we'll get.
Meh and McD are cute but ultimately uninteresting, at least to me. I think watching Meh trying to deal with the aftermath of Derek's "choice" is more compelling.
Gracelessly
Nov 7, 2005 @ 1:23 am
Derek and Addison are too guarded following her adultery (isn't considered adultery on Derek's part since he separated himself before he slept with Meh?) and also too competitive. They also didn't fix things for themselves - he won't talk to Meh because she doesn't want to talk to him and she will stay in Seattle because it will add to her prestige - they aren't looking out for each other. Maybe they want to get back together but they aren't working putting all that they could into making it work.
I am spoiler-free so here are my thoughts on what will happen to them. They'll stay together for a season at most, divorce, she'll leave, he'll move on with Meh or someone else (I would prefer that he not go straight back to Meh), they'll run into each other again and have regretful sex where they will decide that they don't belong together again but also regret that they didn't try at least right now and then someday he might have a chance to get back with Meh.
flux
Nov 7, 2005 @ 1:52 am
I think the chemistry was from the hatred he has for her. He was angry because she showed up unannounced and it ruined things for him. For the most part, the whole thing was build on who is McD going to choose and now that he has decided to stay with her, it's like this giant weight has been lifted, it's done and there's nothing left to do. It's obvious that he pick Addison out of obligation so it's not like he really wanted to give it another shot. Plus, he's still hang up on Meh, and that's not going to change. If Addison keeps demanding for theses stupid things, like stop speaking to Meh, she's going to lose him even faster. I'm so glad they were awkward in those sessions, total lack of communication. I love it.
whatthedeuce
Nov 7, 2005 @ 2:37 am
I loved the awkwardness because it was realistic. I know they're marriage obviously won't last since he has to get back with Meredith again (probably by February sweeps), but the least the writers can do is make the end of their marriage realistic, and I felt they achieved that tonight. I was actually laughing as they bickered at the start of the episode. It seems to me like they were playing that first therapy scene for laughs, and I really enjoyed it. I can't stand that they made the both of them falsely "compromise." I just knew they'd make it so that Addison would stay for some insincere reason instead of moving for the sake of saving her marriage, and I think that's crap, dude. I bet all the Meredith/McD fans are officially pissing their pants knowing this marriage will be over soon enough, huh?
Alden
Nov 7, 2005 @ 2:42 am
This way, though, her staying doesn't depend on Derek, so they're safe with making Addison a regular either way without being shoehorned into D/A.
whatthedeuce
Nov 7, 2005 @ 2:47 am
I know, but I wanted her to stay and be with Derek so I'm rather disappointed that she's sticking around and not gonna be with him soon enough.
redhedm
Nov 7, 2005 @ 4:05 am
One of the things that really bothers me about McS is that I have yet to see what looks like any remorse at all from her. I realize that her character is supposed to be this super ambitious, sometimes bitchy (which I can understand in her profession) driven woman, but even when she kissed McD during the "drug-baby" ep she said something like, "I
still love you" like he had done something. I don't expect her to be to be a big pile of mush, but little something would be nice. Even her "what do you like about me" on the rooftop moment seemed bitchy to me.
I guess I'm not liking much now. I kind of did before.
Then again this just might make it easier for McD to realize that he's not that man anymore...the man that would want a woman like that. And I can understand why she would want McD not to talk to Meh (she's not stupid- she knows he came back out of obligation), but I don't think it is her place to ask. Bad move, IMO.
This way, though, her staying doesn't depend on Derek, so they're safe with making Addison a regular either way without being shoehorned into D/A.[/quote]
ITA-plus I think it will make for snarky encounters later when Meh & McD do get back together.
And as far as Meh & McD getting back together, I really hope that Meh makes him work for it. Please God. Right now I am a passenger on the M/McD train, but this just could ruin it for me. I'd like to see a little drama there- it would be too boring otherwise. I like the spunky Meh.
bwshutterbabe
Nov 7, 2005 @ 10:25 am
I really hoped that as Addison was deciding to move to Seattle that McDreamy would come to his senses and realize how awful she is. He can still sign the divorce papers, if only he stops being stupid.
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