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noscare

Nov 2, 2005 @ 1:42 am

Well, somebody had to start it sooner or later.

I was reading the favourite quotes thread and got all sad at the reminder of when McD was running circles around Meh, and everything was pink and fluffy in the McD/Meh train. Remember the "More kissing, I say!" speech? Ahh...

That said, there's many reasons to hate this pairing. One reason being Meh a.k.a. McDrunky and her whiny whiny ways (but I love her anyway... she's real, people!) and another reason being McD a.k.a. McMarried and his confused confused ways (but as long as there is the shower scene coming... mmm)

Will they get back together? Should they get back together? Who's too good for who in the relationship? How does McSatan fit into your take on this relationship?

Personally, I think they will and should get back together, but not without some serious begging from McD. Yes, I understand he's married and can't just throw it away, but maybe he should have thought of that before the whole "coming up for fresh air" speech. Besides, it was so hot when he was all over her and she kept trying to push him away... I want that back! (And yes, it is partly because I wish some hot doctor ran circles around me.)

whatthedeuce

Nov 2, 2005 @ 1:44 am

There's no doubt they'll gt back together. They're "meant to be." I can't stand them as a couple and thought they were the least interesting thing about the first season. I don't even really like either Derek or Meredith much, but I still think Meredith deserves better than Derek because he's a damn liar who kept a very big secret from her while he chased and harassed her at work. Actually, I'm getting to like Derek, but he's still an ass (at least he's not all smug like he was last season though), amd Meredith is boring, but she can do better than him. That said, I like seeing him with Addison and think Kate Walsh and Patrick Dempsey have great chemistry.

Enigma13

Nov 2, 2005 @ 1:47 am

Hmmm... I was all for Meh/McD before, but now that he's chosen McSatan? I'm hoping that she'll never take him back. Meh (anyone, really) deserves better-- first he doesn't tell her he's married, then, when his wife turns up, he leads her on for a while saying that he'll choose her and all he has to do is sign the divorce papers. And then he doesn't. Grow some spine, Meh.

Although I really did like the two of them together (most of the time)... so maybe they should get together, after a period of grovelling on his part. (But not for too long, because that would get dull.)

flux

Nov 2, 2005 @ 1:49 am

noscare, you beat me to it. I was going to start it but I wasn't sure if shipper thread were allowed. Anyhoo, I'm a lifetime member on the Meh/McD love train. I got my first class ticket with a window seat reserved.

noscare

Nov 2, 2005 @ 1:54 am

noscare, you beat me to it. I was going to start it but I wasn't sure if shipper thread were allowed. Anyhoo, I'm a lifetime member on the Meh/McD love train. I got my first class ticket with a window seat reserved. [/quote]

Well, I meant for it to be a "let's discuss this relationship, you don't have be a die-hard fan of it" kind of thread. GG forums have plenty of those. If it's out of place, maybe they could move it to somewhere else, but we don't really have a somewhere else yet. Then again, I think this is where it should be - discussing characters, discussing pairings. (Mods, please don't ban me)

Enigma, groveling is good... I like groveling.

Beffers

Nov 2, 2005 @ 2:13 am

Am a rabid McD/Meh shipper. Not so sure I'm down with the "groveling" angle tho'. How about some serious communication, heart to heart talks, and tons and tons of honest explanations as to where his head and heart is at, instead ?

McD is just as seriously injured and hurting person as Meh is, maybe even more so. McD was with his wife 11 years. Meh was only with him a few months. If we make it all about him being the person who screws up and needs to grovel, that shifts the balance of power to such a one sided degree, I'd worry about the future of their relationship longterm. Meh could get used to that kind of power.

Over at the old GA thread before this new forum debuted tonight,we were talking earlier about the timeline of the new season and how each of the S2 eps seems to start the day after the previous one, which would put the time frame of the whole McD/Meh/Addison triangle at only 6 days. Was it fair of Meh to deliver an ultimatum to McD the way she did, the day after he got the divorce papers ? I dunno. It's certainly understandable considering how head over heels in love she is and how McD initially led her to think it was no big deal. But I dunno...she's a smart gal. She shoud have been able to figure out for herself that signing those papers or not was a HUGE deal...no matter what her serioulsy confused ex/current boyfriend says.

whatthedeuce

Nov 2, 2005 @ 2:17 am

I know people can fall in love quickly, but the Meh/McD pairing just never seemed to me like it should even evolve into a real relationship so her saying she loves him seems like a strategic move borne out of desperation more than anything else. I could totally understand why Meh would've said it if she felt desperate to have McD choose her, but considering what was shown of their almost relationship last season, it doesn't seem plausible to me that she'd already be in love with him.

ETA: Beffers, I agree that she's smart enough to have known that signing the papers would be difficult regardless of what McD told her.

rekkidbraka

Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:45 am

Meh/McD = Meant To Be.

Learn it. Know it. Live it.

flux

Nov 2, 2005 @ 12:52 pm

Meh/McD = Meant To Be.

Learn it. Know it. Live it.[/quote]

Amen.

And the elevator scene just gave me another reason why I want them together. There's so much more to Meh/McD's relationship that just the red hot sex. I didn't see him sobbing for his wife. The tears were for Meh and only Meh. What he did, his big decision was out of obligation, an agreement he made to Addison when he married her. I respect that he wants to give it one more try before calling it quits (which I hope is soon). But I don't want them to get back together right away. Probably more character development and background information before they start picking things up...slowly.

tvjunkie2008

Nov 2, 2005 @ 4:08 pm

I like them together, but they aren't my favorite couple. I think the way they started dating was really annoying, but then they grew on me. But I'm definitely not a rabid fan of them.

Beffers

Nov 3, 2005 @ 3:50 pm

Meh/McD = Meant To Be.

Learn it. Know it. Live it. [/quote]

Word times infinity

The tears were for Meh and only Meh[/quote]

Nah, I don't think he is quite that self-absorbed. I think it was 50-50 Meh and the pole girl dying and talking to Danny afterwards.

LingPetunia

Nov 3, 2005 @ 4:21 pm

I like Meh/McD a lot better than McD/Satan's Whore, but I thought he was shedding tears for the pole girl. I'm sure no matter how long you have been practicing medicine, that accident and the outcome are things you just don't get used to. It's nice to think he was crying over Meh, but that's just not the impression I got.

simpatico

Nov 3, 2005 @ 6:52 pm

I agree with LingPetunia, those tears were for PoleGirl and only PoleGirl. From his conversation with Meh when they were scrubbing in, it seems like he's decided to hold her at arm's length for the time being. And unlike Meh, I don't think he's the kind of person who cries over relatively silly personal issues in the face of a true life and death crisis.

Beffers

Nov 3, 2005 @ 11:52 pm

And unlike Meh, I don't think he's the kind of person who cries over relatively silly personal issues in the face of a true life and death crisis.[/quote]

Yeah, but Meh has only been a practicing doctor for 2-3 months. She is still learning the ropes and one of those pretty humungously huge mofo's of a rope, has to be how much you do or don't let the death of a patient affect you and how much your own personal shit that you have going on, affects your ability to be a good doctor. She is still a novice at all that and I have no problem cutting her some slack while she learns the ropes.

McD on the other hand has been a doctor for a lot longer than Meh and he has much more experience handling it all, so I would expect him to tear up or get upset a lot less than she does. I don't think that makes him hard-hearted pig or her a self-absorbed cow...it just means that they handle crap/grief/pain differently.

Also, I wouldn't describe this whole McD/Meh/McS situation as a silly personal issue. I think its pretty damm important shit, for all 3 of them....not to mention me and my poor ole PD lovin' palpitatin' heart.

I'm sure no matter how long you have been practicing medicine, that accident and the outcome are things you just don't get used to.[/quote]

True, but if he gets weepy at all of his heartbreakers ( sigh, whadda' guy ) ...why didn't we get to see him be seriously upset back in S1, over some of his upsetting cases like the 70lb tumour lady dying while he operated on her, or the Jorge brain tumor dude ?

That's why I think it was 50-50 Meh and Polegirl.

simpatico

Nov 4, 2005 @ 12:11 am

Also, I wouldn't describe this whole McD/Meh/McS situation as a silly personal issue. I think its pretty damm important shit, for all 3 of them.[/quote]
Yeah, but when you've just watched someone agree to sacrifice her life, and do it in relatively good spirits no less, your own issues, however important, pale in comparison. PoleGirlBF just had his fiance taken from him forever in a freak accident, while McDreamy (oh woe of woes!!) has two lovers to choose from. At least the women he loves are alive. And the women he loves aren't nearly as selfless as PoleGirl.

Beffers

Nov 4, 2005 @ 12:34 am

And the women he loves aren't nearly as selfless as PoleGirl.[/quote]

But we can't ever know that for sure until we see one of THEM with a 10 ft pole stuck all the way up inside of them. Can we see that BTW ? I nominate Addison. Dr Montgomery-Shepard, brace yourself baby, we need you to take one for the team. It shouldn't hurt all that much seeing as you have no heart and are an ice cold bee-otch too boot. I guess what I mean is that we don't really know how well we will handle life and death adversity until we are actually staring it in the eye. If faced with something horrific like that, either one of them could pop up and surprise us..who really knows ?

trancer

Nov 4, 2005 @ 3:43 pm

Will they get back together? Should they get back together? Who's too good for who in the relationship? How does McSatan fit into your take on this relationship?[/quote]

Right now, they both bore me to tears. But, because of Derek's lying and constant hounding of Meredith in season one, I think he's a douchebag. Plus, he has a tendency to look at Meredith in a manner that's annoyingly placating and it bugs the ever living crap out of me. I'm sure it's meant to be an 'why aren't you so cute?' expression which is just as annoying when meant for an adult woman.

What I want to see? I want to see a McDreamier in Meh's life. I want a triangle in which it's two guys fighting over Meredith. I'm soo tired of vagina's fighting over the penis storylines. Sure, in the end, it'll end up with Mere and Derek together. But, I wanna see Derek in the scrub room whining "Pick Me, Choose Me". I want to see Derek as the one realizing that maybe, just maybe, he has passed up on the best thing in his life. And a Meredith ready to move on to someone else.

Beffers

Nov 5, 2005 @ 12:37 am

a McDreamier[/quote]

Good luck finding that. You have a better chance finding little green men from Mars or The Tooth Fairy or even Meredith Grey chowing down at an all-you-can-eat buffet, than you have finding that.

I'm soo tired of vagina's fighting over the penis storylines[/quote]

But aren't the vaginas getting feisty only a recent development ? Weren't the penises doing most of the fighting/chasing in S1 and for a good part of S2 ? ( and I include Burke and Xtina in that. )

I want to see Derek as the one realizing that maybe, just maybe, he has passed up on the best thing in his life.[/quote]

O hell yeah !! He's at his best when he's angsty

And a Meredith ready to move on to someone else.[/quote]

O hell no !! She's at her best when she's with him.

sarah1225

Nov 5, 2005 @ 1:15 am

Alright I've got a couple things.

First - the tears were definitely 50/50/ Half for pole girl cuz in that like 2 hours (or however long he had her for) he could see how amazing she was and he was torn up that she had to die and that she was willing to sacrifice herself. The reason I think the other half was for Meredith was the whole speech he gave to pole girl's fiancee. The writers wouldn't have included a line like "If love was enough, she'd still be with you" or whatever if it wasn't meant to be mirroring the McDreamy/Meredith relationship. Because thats EXACTLY how he's feeling. If love WAS enough, he would be with Meredith. But like alot of people have said, he's staying with Addison (for now only, I hope) out of obligation. Which I respect, he's trying to give his marriage a second chance.

That said, I still think he's jackass-y for not telling Meredith he had a wife in the first place.

Either way, I'm a hardcore McDreamy/Meh shipper. I don't want them to get back together just get though. I want him to try this deal with Addison, realize that her cheating was just the last straw in an already failing marriage. Then be alone for a while and realize how awesome him and Meredith were together. And then I'm all for the big important heart to heart conversations that they'll have, and finally a reunion. But I think the reunion's gotta be drawn out more, we need to want it more.

LingPetunia

Nov 5, 2005 @ 2:44 am

I didn't see this mentioned upthread, so here goes. I think McD came to the bar to tell Meredith he was going to stay with Addison. The reason I think this is because two episodes ago ended with Addison saying she and Mcd needed to talk. Then the next time we see Addison she is telling Izzie she is staying in Seattle for a while. I am pretty sure that the Shepherds talked that night and he was going to break things off with Meredith before all hell broke loose at the hospital. I didn't see any oportunity after the pole-girl incident for the Shepherds to have an indepth conversation. And while I am sure McD was pretty upset about losing Meredith, I still insist that he was shedding tears for pole-girl, and pole-girl only.

Beffers

Nov 5, 2005 @ 3:19 am

That said, I still think he's jackass-y for not telling Meredith he had a wife in the first place[/quote]

I think it was more stupid/bad judgement than intentionally jackassy. He was falling in love with her and was afraid of losing her. He's already lost so much due to Addision cheating ( having his family around on a regular basis, his wife, his best friend, all his other NY friends...he lost his whole way of life ) that maybe he figures he'll go nuts if he loses anything or anyone else.

I think he was waiting to get the real and everyday/in-your-face problems of the relationship out of the way before he told her about Addison....the boss/intern dating situation, the room mates finding out situation, the Bailey and the rest of SGH finding situation...he wanted them all taken care off and dealt with, and he wanted her to get used to her loving him and him loving her, build up a really good foundation and then....spill the beans of "O by the way..there is this chick back in NY whose guts I hate....but umm...she exhists and I am in the process of kicking her ass to the curb so you and me are gonna be cool."

He'd hope that Meh was vested enough in the relationship to trust him and remain commited. I think that was his long term plan but as we know, McS and Webber effed it up. So I think ultimatley he rolled the dice and lost big time in more ways than one, but I can't believe it was intentional malice on his part.

Then again ,my #1 pet peeve of S2 so far is that we have yet to hear outa McD's mouth himself of why he never told her he was married. Its a huge deal and I can't understand why it hasn't come up yet.

simpatico

Nov 5, 2005 @ 3:54 am

Re: the tears
They were for PoleGirl only. However, I don't think he would have cried if wasn't already in an extremely vulnerable state from the Meh/McS situation. It was the straw (OK, maybe the sequoyah) that broke the camel's back. Consciously, he was crying for PoleGirl. Unconsciously, he was crying to relieve some of the strain from all the overwhelming things going on in his life right now.

sarah1225

Nov 5, 2005 @ 10:53 am

So I think ultimatley he rolled the dice and lost big time in more ways than one, but I can't believe it was intentional malice on his part. [/quote]
I agree with this. Jackass-y was a bad word for me to use. But you got to the point that I was trying to make, I think it was more of a really bad call than intentionally mean.

smoothcriminal

Nov 10, 2005 @ 12:43 am

McWeenie needs to shit or get off the pot. I hate to admit it but McSatan is right, therapy can't work if he doesn't give up his girlfriend, having said that...I can't wait for next week.

Beffers

Nov 10, 2005 @ 1:55 am

therapy can't work if he doesn't give up his girlfriend,[/quote]

but he can't, they are in luuuuuuurve.

I wonder if the Meh and McD not being able to keep away from each other even though he is now officially married again ( emotionally ) will have a bearing on McD ever being able to forgive Mark for making a move on his wife ? Maybe Mark had the hots for McS for years, but never made a move on her coz she was married to his best friend. But then one day, Mr Temptation met Ms Opportunity and he just didn't have the willpower to resist her. Now that McD is in the same boat of having to choose between honour/obligation and love/lust, maybe he'll be able to cut Mark some slack and forgive him.

flux

Nov 10, 2005 @ 2:34 am

therapy can't work if he doesn't give up his girlfriend[/quote]

Well McS didn't exactly give up not wanting to move to Seattle either. It wasn't until Chief let out that too-good-to-pass-up offer that she decided to stay in Seattle. Job secruity blah blah, it wasn't like she was counting pennies back in NY, she was making lots of money already.

but he can't, they are in luuuuuuurve.[/quote]

Ditto! Damn Beffs, are we telepathic too?

Maybe Mark had the hots for McS for years, but never made a move on her coz she was married to his best friend. [/quote]
I had this theory that McD was her second choice and Mark was her first. But she couldn't get what she wanted so she married McD. Just my theory, don't need to hound all over it. It would make an excellent argument when they get divorce. I mean, how can you cheat on PD, he's just so uncheatable.

Beffers

Nov 10, 2005 @ 2:56 am

She was making lots of money already.[/quote]

Word. No offence to the Chief or to Seattle, but NY is a world hub off all things fashionable,literary, political AND medical. I have a hard time believing anything the Chief could offer her in Seattle could eclipse what she could get by herself back in NY, both professionally and financially.

I had this theory that McD was her second choice and Mark was her first[/quote]

Ok, am going to put this down to you maybe being sleep deprived, over medicated, recently abducted by aliens who sucked your brains out or my personal favourite....blind ass drunk. You seriously think its possible McD could EVER be anyones #2 choice ? I mean c'mon, seriously ?

flux

Nov 10, 2005 @ 3:15 am

You seriously think its possible McD could EVER be anyones #2 choice ? I mean c'mon, seriously?[/quote]
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Yes, PD is McDreamy to a lot of people, me included, but my weird-ass friend doesn't think he's good looking at all. She just say he's okay, and I wanted to strangle her immediately.

I think EP is pretty too, but a lot of people don't think so either. Yes, she's thin, but not anorexic thin. I'm a bony person too but I eat the most out of all my friends and yet still manage to weigh less than they do. Genetics can be a wonderful thing!

I just think PD and EP look good together. And their chemistry from S1 really got me hooked on the show.

Sleep deprived, that I am. Carry on.

Beffers

Nov 10, 2005 @ 3:34 am

I think EP is pretty too[/quote]

I caught a snippet of EP in 1.02 yesterday, during my tape copying escapades and I was struck my how gorgeous she looked in the ep. She just glowed. So compared to how haggard and drawn she looks in S2, I can't decide if its EP looking haggard and drawn coz she has put in a full year in now of working those Godawful 16 hour days, or if its the GA show peeps making a conscious decision to make her look awful...the anti-Addison if you will. I kinda like the second idea coz it makes McD being in love with her and ultimatley picking her ( which we all know will happen eventually ) even when she looks like crap, all the more real and heartfelt.

Word on the bony shit. I weigh 120 lbs and eat like a horse. If I am tired or stressed the weight drops off me like nobodies business and people comment on it, but I am far from being anorexic.

bsg27

Nov 10, 2005 @ 10:30 am

So compared to how haggard and drawn she looks in S2, I can't decide if its EP looking haggard and drawn coz she has put in a full year in now of working those Godawful 16 hour days, or if its the GA show peeps making a conscious decision to make her look awful...the anti-Addison if you will.[/quote]
I think it is definitely GA peeps making a conscious decision to make her look awful - exhausted, stressed, heartbroken, lacking sleep, etc. She's got a lot going on. I am amused when I see critical statements about her character citing how terrible she looks, etc. as reasons for not liking her. I'm convinced it's intentional. That look is the kind of thing you (ok, talented make-up artists, who I sometimes wish I could have on-call after some rough nights) can disguise with make-up... if they wanted her to look fabulous and glamorous like Addison, they could. I'm not saying it's a substitute for natural beauty (which i think both EP and KW have) but make-up can do amazing things. McD has also looked a little haggard in the last couple of episodes.

I also noticed she had much better color / hair and looked more vibrant in the last scene of Sunday's episode when she showed up at the bar.

Beffers

Nov 11, 2005 @ 2:32 am

I also noticed she had much better color / hair and looked more vibrant in the last scene of Sunday's episode when she showed up at the bar.[/quote]

Yes, she did. She actually looked good. I also loved how genuinely happy she seemed to be in the bar ( post kiss ) that the Alex-Izzie relationship just took a turn for the better. She didn't let her own recent heartbreakingly painful relationship woes, make her bitter or resentful that somebody else was maybe finding happiness.

I wonder if Addison would have been similarly generous and big hearted, if the roles were reversed ? I don't think she would have been. I think she would have made some terribly witty but cruel and cynical remark about the fickleness/stupidity of men that would totally destroy her friends recent liplock-induced good vibes. Strike one more up to Meh, it's why I love her.

wwbrownie77

Nov 11, 2005 @ 8:37 am

I liked how they made her (Meh) look like crap in the last ep to magnify the whole crappy mood she was in. But, I think Addison is going to screw up again, because she seems like the type that gets forgiven then screws everything up again. Derek will see the light and realize he really screwed up for staying with the devil.

flux

Nov 11, 2005 @ 11:49 am

But, I think Addison is going to screw up again, because she seems like the type that gets forgiven then screws everything up again. Derek will see the light and realize he really screwed up for staying with the devil.[/quote]

I think Addison is more about appearance. She dresses nicely, always make everything appear perfect, the perfect marriage, the perfect house, the perfect husband. It reminds of Ordinary People where Mary Tyler Moore's character cared more about what her husband wore to their son's funeral than the funeral itself. Meh on the other hand doesn't care about her image at all. She always look tired, doesn't where a lot of makeup (no bright lipstick and nice hair a la Addison), and she dresses like everyone else. She's the anti-Addison and maybe that's why McD is attracted to her.

Beffers

Nov 11, 2005 @ 8:43 pm

But, I think Addison is going to screw up again, because she seems like the type that gets forgiven then screws everything up again. Derek will see the light and realize he really screwed up for staying with the devil.[/quote]

Word. I just get the sense that McS is a control freak and she is addicted to manipulating mind games. She loves to push peoples buttons to see how far she can push them and STILL remain in control. If TPTB wind up turning her into " happy wifey" for the remainder of the season, I think she'll get bored, go out and do something else stupid/freaky/effed up, coz' shes addicted to living on the edge and she'll presume she has what it takes to reel McD in again, the next time she effs up. But she won't be able to, and he'll split for good. I think her own over inflated opinion of herself, doesn't allow herself to really grasp the concept that she is on her last chance, one more screw up and McD is ending their sham of a marrige for good.

She's the anti-Addison and maybe that's why McD is attracted to her.[/quote]

Wordy McWord times infinity.

ParadiseFound

Nov 15, 2005 @ 1:27 am

She's the anti-Addison and maybe that's why McD is attracted to her. [/quote]

That is exactly what Addison said in 2.01 "Rain Drops Keep Falling on my Head". I think that McD has had 11+ years of Addison very TYPE A personality and Mer is/was such a change from her that he fell hard and fell fast.

I totally agree with that statement.

Beffers

Nov 15, 2005 @ 3:59 am

Yeah, there is a softness to Meh that McS is totally lacking in, that I think McD was incredibly drawn too, coz I think he has it too.

McS does have her moments of vulnerability too. But sometimes I feel they are delivered with the fanfare and drum roll of "Ok brace yourselves people, Addison is having a moment here, lets give her some love " and I feel that I am being preached too and manipulated. Then its back to her being snarky and brittle. With Meh, her softness and gentleness is always there and I love it..and McD loves it too.

On the scene we just talked about in the Media thread... I don't think it did take place in a post-Addison universe, unfortunatley. I think it happens next week, actually. The clothes he is wearing in the behind the scenes corridor scene, match the clothes he is wearing in next weeks ep. The surgical gallery and the incision have promo pix of the ep up and they match up.

smoothcriminal

Nov 15, 2005 @ 4:27 am

oh ok, well that is better than my idea then, because atleast they aren't like weird around each other later one. Still being weird next week is ok. I suppose.

Beffers

Nov 15, 2005 @ 4:36 am

Still being weird next week is ok. I suppose.[/quote]

Yeah, I guess....the title of next weeks ep "Thanks for the memories" makes me nervous though. I have a horrible feeling that McD is gonna make a conscious effort to sever the emotional ties that he still clearly has with Meh, so that he can get on with the serious busines of rebuilding his marrige (barf). I have a sneaking suspicion that it is gonna be just as hard to watch as anything we have seen so far. I'd love to think its McS he finally kicks to the curb, but I have a sneaking suspicion its not gonna be.

Holy shit, its 4.30... I have to be up in 5 hours. Man, I miss the days when I actually got 9 hours of sleep on a regualr basis. Damm you PD and your luscious curls.

ParadiseFound

Nov 15, 2005 @ 8:05 am

Yeah, I guess....the title of next weeks ep "Thanks for the memories" makes me nervous though. I have a horrible feeling that McD is gonna make a conscious effort to sever the emotional ties that he still clearly has with Meh, so that he can get on with the serious busines of rebuilding his marrige (barf). I have a sneaking suspicion that it is gonna be just as hard to watch as anything we have seen so far. I'd love to think its McS he finally kicks to the curb, but I have a sneaking suspicion its not gonna be.[/quote]

I think McD and Mer work together on a case of man in a vegetative state for 16 years (ala Terry Schiavo)?? I believe I read that in a spolier somewhere. It will be hard for them to sever ties when they are working closely together. But who knows....

Damm you PD and your luscious curls[/quote]

TESTIFY!!!!! :)

smoothcriminal

Nov 16, 2005 @ 1:25 am

I hope their story doesnt get dragged out like JAG did with Harm and Mac. That will make me cash in my chips and leave.

I realized I just dated myself with this reference and people may not know what I am talking about.

Anki

Nov 16, 2005 @ 1:30 am

I realized I just dated myself with this reference and people may not know what I am talking about.[/quote]

Erm....I know what you're talking about, and I agree. If they drag this out for 10 years I'm not hanging around for it either.

smoothcriminal

Nov 16, 2005 @ 1:32 am

Yeah I want some closure not a bunch of angst and missed connections. Because you know this show is gonna go on for a while.

No Ross and Rachel crap either.

whatthedeuce

Nov 16, 2005 @ 1:35 am

I had a very brief but intense obsession with JAG a few years back, and I'm only 20 years old now. You're not alone in knowing about the Mac/Harm dynamics, smoothcriminal. With Derek and Meredith being the central couple, I think they'll probably be going down the "back-and-forth" road in the series. We all know how much fun that's gonna be! NOT! I wish writers could be less catering to the audience sometimes and just end something when they know they should. I remember reading a Lost writer's blog stating that when writers write what they know the audience wants so badly, the stories become big messes because viewers, in general, are so biased and don't think about what's good for the show as a whole. The heart wnats what it wants, so to speak.

Beffers

Nov 16, 2005 @ 1:38 am

Nah, I don't think they would be dumb enough to drag it out quite that long. I do think tho' that they have serious ammo to drag the Meh/McD storyline out for more than just this season. There has been soooo much real and believable pain, angst, lies, deceipt, hurt feelings, deceptions and effed up decisions so far in THIS season, that Meh and McD have to get past, before they can reach Happy Ever After Land. So I can see them "work it" for a while, and for it being believable, but if they start to drag it out any longer than that...I will also start to feel manipulated and will lose interest.

smoothcriminal

Nov 16, 2005 @ 1:38 am

Hee! I am only 25 but I watched JAG forever, I am a nerd. I just hate long dragged out things, and sometimes viewers are even just hoping for a one way or another.

Its hard to tell what will happen because this show is so quirky. I love it, but I worry that it could start to suck.

whatthedeuce

Nov 16, 2005 @ 1:46 am

Oh, it'll start to suck sometime, alright. Best believe that! Nothing good can last. A show can only go one for so many years before its quality starts to decline. ER went on for awhile with high quality writing though so maybe GA will have a few good seasons before it jumps the shark.

Beffers

Nov 16, 2005 @ 3:30 am

O Good Grief...just listen to us..LOL !! The show is only 7 eps into its first full season and already we have it heading for Jaws territory, coz its gonna start sucking before we know it. We sooooo need to get a life and some perspective.

That being said, if the plot lines and characters ever do become contrived and tiresome, do we want the cast and crew to pull the plug ( the way SJP did in Sex and the City ) and ride off into the sunset on a high, after ony a few seasons ? Or do we want them to keep plugging away with only mediocre crap, for season after season ?

Me ? I dunno. As long as PD keeps his curly do and smouldering good looks, I really don't care. I never said I wasn't shallow.

smoothcriminal

Nov 16, 2005 @ 9:37 pm

No I don't think she show is gonna start sucking but I am worried for a couple of reasons.

1) It all started out with Derek and Meredith and them building a relationship
2) This season it switched gears and now we have to watch Derek and Addison fuck around with their "marriage"

This is troublesome because Addison was never supposed to stick around, and now she is, so I'm worried that they are ditching the Derek/Meredith ship, which I think will be bad for the show because they sold us so hard on it. Its not the same as like George and Olivia breaking up. Hell even if Burke and Christina didnt end up working out, and she got the abortion and he never knew, I would feel like that sucks but atleast we could move forward. Now even if I started to like Addison, I won't ever buy her and Derek and are meant to be, because of the whole Meredith thing.

Make sense? Or do I suck?

Beffers

Nov 16, 2005 @ 11:44 pm

Make sense? Or do I suck?[/quote]

Nope. You made total sense to me. I do think that the writers/producers face a problem that is more a result of the show being a success, than anything else. What ever your opinion on the whole McD/McS/Meh love triangle or the individual characters is, the McD/Meh story line was front and center thru S1 and I think thats what drew people in and made it the huge hit that it now is.

But now where do you go with that and keep the show fresh and interesting? Do you go the "Break em up, reunite them, break em up, reunite them" route and you piss peeps off coz of the predictability of it all. Or do you get them together pretty much as a fixed thing but then they become boring old couple and peeps lose interest. Or do you break them up permanantly and run the risk of alienating those peeps who began watching the show in the first place ( like me) because of their incredible chemistry. Its a tough road to hoe and I don't envy the writers/producers, I really don't.

That being said, all the magazine stuff that is floating around ever since S2 started ( that the ABC publicity peeps are in cahoots with we presume ) is still rabidly selling McD and Meh as the Couple of the Century. McS only ever gets a mention as an "obstacle" to their happy-ever-after love story, but its always them and their luurve thats front and center. So thats why I think the shows producers are gonna stick with Meh/McD as a couple as a big part of the show, coz after all, you never forget who brought you to the dance in the first place, right ?

smoothcriminal

Nov 17, 2005 @ 12:11 am

Beffers, did you ever know that your my heerrrrrrrrooooooooo

You just made me feel so much better, wordy mcword to everything you said.

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