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WesternSkies
The show's (apparently) most beloved couple doesn't have a thread yet? I'm shocked, y'all!

I think the reason I enjoy their scenes together is because they're both sensational actors. I mean, a lot of the cast members are great, but these two really bring it.

And I know some people found Xtina begging him for leg-finding help to be lame and/or a total faux pas on her part, but I thought it was funny and kinda cute. She's still figuring out where the boundaries are, but she was in a panic and turned to him for help. I dug it.
noscare
Like I said in the old thread, I think Cristina's behaviour is just as self-centered as some people might see Meh's behaviour. Yes, she doesn't know her boundaries. But as a more than qualified intern, she should know that during an emergency like that she shouldn't be bothering an attending, don't you think? That said, her selfishness is perfectly fine by me, as long as people don't pick Meh apart in the same sentence in which they're justifying Xtina.
I think Burke and Cristina are extremely hot. The first kiss was just... wow. I'm really starting to wonder, though, how many people know about that relationship. I mean, they're cuddling in her hospital bed, she's saying he's her boyfriend in the middle of the hall... The news should be spreading like wildfire, and soon enough, the Chief will know... THAT reaction I'd love to see.
thisisit
She will figure out how to act in the relationship eventually. Can't deny the amazing chemisty though.
WesternSkies
I wonder how much of that chemistry is natural, and how much of it comes through work. (I mean, I get that chemistry is sort of either there, or it's not, but still...)

I remember reading an interview with IW that was linked in the old thread that talked about how much he and SOh work on things together -- I think he said they plot and plot, and even mentioned them contributing ideas for the relationship's storyline. That excites me!

I can't wait to see them on an actual date, with Yang all girl-ified. Weee!
Sedonared
Burke and Christina are freakin fabulous together. Both are far from perfect, which makes the coupling even more compelling and have chemistry in spades. And that smile on Burke's face when Christina was trying to get his help in the last episode? Perfection.
tvjunkie2008
I think they are the most realistic couple on the show. Also, it's two of the three best actors on the show, of course it's going to be amazing!
Tabulous
This is by far my favorite couple on the show. To me they just fit. They have great chemistry and balance. I think the shit is really going to hit the fan when people find out about them, which has to happen soon. Discretion hasn't really been their strong suit, although when he climbed into bed with her my heart almost melted. A feeling of all is right with the world came over me. That just looked so comfortable. Of course that might just be me wishing I was the one wrapped in his arms. Anyway, as long as they don't shout it out like in the train ep I think it will be okay.
And SO's "mine is bigger than yours line" to Meh is one of my absolute faves.
medicminx
They DO have phenomenal chemistry together and I envy SO for getting to 'rehearse' with, IMO, SGH's hottest doc.

Sorry, McDreamy won't age as well as Burke. Count on it!
CarletonBuell
Burke and Yang make an outstanding couple. I prefer the nickname Bang to Burketina.
Pop Culture Freak
Bag. Hee hee hee. I love Burke and Cristina. They are by far the best couple on this show and they have great chemistry.
sarah1225

The news should be spreading like wildfire, and soon enough, the Chief will know... THAT reaction I'd love to see. [/quote]
I posted something along these lines in..somewhere, I don't remember. But I had similar question. Who DOES know about their relationship? All the interns obviously (maybe not Alex?), but McDreamy? More importantly, the Chief? Remember he told Meredith and McDreamy both last year that being involved with eachother was a bad idea. We know now that that was partly cuz of that whole..wife deal (which I have faith will go away sometime soon cuz I don't know how much longer I can stand it), but I still think he just wasn't really liking the whole attending/intern relationship. Either way, I'd also love to see his reaction to learn about all the sex going on. Maybe they'll have to have another conference about using condoms.

I gotta admit I'm not Burke's biggest fan but I like what he brings out in Christina and I buy them together. Haha can't wait for her to teach her social skills.
tvjunkie2008

but I still think he just wasn't really liking the whole attending/intern relationship. Either way, I'd also love to see his reaction to learn about all the sex going on. Maybe they'll have to have another conference about using condoms.[/quote]

I definitely want to see the Chief's reaction sometime soon. It'll be hilarious.
sosvs
I definitely do love Burke and Cristina. And, I agree with CarletonBuell that it should be Bang. They have the best chemistry and are 2 of the 3 best actors in this show (I mean, Chandra Wilson just rocks!!!) They are able to play on this level of vulnerability that they don't show with anyone else, mainly because as surgeons, they're not supposed to. Every scene they've had (with last night's show as an exception) has been at least one of my favorites moments in that episode, if not the favorite moment. Last night, though, had some issues.

For one, the Chief's reaction. I did not like it. I mean, I thought it was stand up for him to say that coming to him about the relationship was a good move, and I agree - but at the same time, I feel like he is giving Burke special treatment. He's known Burke longer, they've had a better relationship. Plus, he doesn't have any weird icky affairs with Cristina's mother (that we know of) which makes him a little more objective. But he should have stated that they weren't to work together, or that Cristina can't help Burke on surgeries, or made them work different shifts (as many as could be possible, anyway).

Plus, I didn't like the way Burke handled the whole thing with Cristina. They haven't been the greatest of communicators in the past (which went unnoticed largely because of their chemistry, or possibly added to it) but this episode really brought that to forefront, and showed how they need to really work on that (something that will definitely come up in upcoming episodes). Cristina tried to be frank when she said she wasn't Meredith Grey. And I think what she meant is that she won't get a slap on the hand. Her mother doesn't have the relationship that Ellis Grey did with SGH. She figured that if anything went wrong, it would be on her head. Plus, Cristina is a very private person. She wanted to do damage control.

And instead of saying, "Well, I appreciate your candor, but I'm telling the Chief, because I think we'll survive" Burke walks off, making both Cristina and the audience think he just broke things off. And as much as I understand why Burke wanted to tell the Chief, he should have at least let Cristina know his reasons for telling him, since he was so adament about knowing her reasons for not. Their communication is definitely going to need some work.

That said, next week's episode looks hilarious! I can't wait for them to get out of the hospital, and deal with one another as people.
tvjunkie2008
See, I think the Chief wasn't as upset because Burke told him. I think that was one of his biggest problems with DerMer, plus the Chief knows Burke isn't married.
Qui
Word. Add that to his guilt about his own indescretions and he's probably relieved that two unattached people are together. I mean, come on, it'd be pretty impossible for someone not to be screwing in that hospital with all the different departments.

Other than that, Xtina can totally do hot in her in sleep. And Burke can do hot in turtleneck, which isn't such an easy feat.
tvjunkie2008

And Burke can do hot in turtleneck, which isn't such an easy feat. [/quote]

Definitely. He made turtlenecks sexy.
sarah1225

I feel like he is giving Burke special treatment. He's known Burke longer, they've had a better relationship.[/quote]
Has he known Burke longer? Do they have a better relationship? Remember McDreamy got the job because the Chief was his mentor, so obviously they've known eachother for a long time. And if they had a better relationship, wouldn't the Chief have wanted to Burke to perform surgery on him, not McDreamy? That last point might be wrong, because I don't know if they have different specialties but I just kind of generally disagree. I don't think Burke is getting special treatment, I think the Chief just appreciates being in the know about the relationship.
bsg27
Yeah - I believe McD is a neurologist and Burke is a cardiologist, which is why McD performed the brain surgery.

I seem to be in the minority (maybe the only), but I don't know if I really like his dynamic with Cristina. I was incredulous and kind of offended with his "I'm not going to wait forever" when she just recovered from her surgery and was on her first day back - but he wanted an answer about where they were. From then I think I've just been nit-picky but other than crawling into bed to comfort her (which won me over on their relationship until the above scene) he hasn't seemed particularly affectionate or caring in their interactions. He too often seems cold towards her.
tvjunkie2008

he hasn't seemed particularly affectionate or caring in their interactions. He too often seems cold towards her.[/quote]

I think he's just unsure and frustrated. And they aren't the kind of people who would be affectionate toward each other, especially at work. She doesn't want anyone at work to know they're dating, after all.
bsg27
I don't really mean affectionate in terms of PDA... I know they don't want anyone to know. I guess it's more that I feel he gives her sort of ridiculous requests/timeframes without communicating much else or imo, giving (me) a good idea of why she wouldn't just tell him to f off - at least in the sampling of their interactions we're shown. I don't know.

Again, it's probably just my reaction to that one I'm not waiting forever statement since their relationship never bothered me before. Dude - she just had a miscarriage, all of her co-workers know she was pregnant and there's probably some embarrassment of having your personal life that you hide so well exposed to everyone, she's recoverinig from evasive surgery, you broke up with her in the first place because you were more concerned about your career and now you're giving her an ultimatum and telling her to hurry up and make a decision? Uh, NO!

I'm looking forward to seeing their date though. Loved the crickets chirping in the preview.
EditorJax

See, I think the Chief wasn't as upset because Burke told him. I think that was one of his biggest problems with DerMer, plus the Chief knows Burke isn't married. [/quote]

Plus, I think the chief likes Addison, so I don't think he was too pleased that Derek is hooking up, even if his wife cheated on him, especially because he called Addison to town for that case. Perhaps he planned for her to stay all along -- after all, she does bring national prestige to the neonatal program.
tvjunkie2008

Plus, I think the chief likes Addison, [/quote]

I definitely think he likes Addison more than Meredith, and honestly so do I.


Again, it's probably just my reaction to that one I'm not waiting forever statement since their relationship never bothered me before.[/quote]

I think he just meant she finally needed to make up her mind about it. I didn't really take it as a timeframe, just that he wasn't going to let her string him along forever. That he wanted more and needed to know if she did too.
Want2Sleep

I seem to be in the minority (maybe the only), but I don't know if I really like his dynamic with Cristina.[/quote]

I agree.. but because Xtina really isn't grown up enough to have an adult relationship.

you broke up with her in the first place [/quote]
What exactly did they break up from? Sex in the break room? Seriously
tvjunkie2008

What exactly did they break up from? Sex in the break room? Seriously [/quote]

Yeah, that's pretty much true.


Xtina really isn't grown up enough to have an adult relationship.[/quote]

She just lacks certain social skills needed to have an adult relationship. Hopefully, Burke can teach them to her though!
Qui
Personally, I think we're made to assume other things happened off screen, but the PTB is too damned focused DerMerAdd to talk about it.

And Xtina is totally grown up enough to have a relationship, she was just career driven and focused on being a better surgeon to care about dating around too much. Now she's just trying to ease into a relationship with Burke, without losing her focus.
Want2Sleep

She just lacks certain social skills needed to have an adult relationship. Hopefully, Burke can teach them to her though! [/quote]

True, she really needs some work on her social skills.

And Xtina is totally grown up enough to have a relationship[/quote]

Well,,,,,,not really (JMO)
Beffers

Perhaps he planned for her to stay all along -- after all, she does bring national prestige to the neonatal program.[/quote]

I agree, but it bothers me that the Chief isn't above using and manipulating the personal traumas and dramas of his friends, colleagues and employees, all in the name of enhancing the prestige of Seattle Grace and himself as its Chief of Surgery.
tvjunkie2008

it bothers me that the Chief isn't above using and manipulating the personal traumas and dramas of his friends, colleagues and employees, all in the name of enhancing the prestige of Seattle Grace and himself as its Chief of Surgery. [/quote]

Well, I guess so. I think he's just like any other chief of surgery, he wants his hospital to be the best.
Beffers

he wants his hospital to be the best.[/quote]

Yeah, but at what cost ? It's the skills and brilliance of the docs that he hires that will make his hospital "the best". If these docs ever get to feel like pieces of meat or pieces on a chessboard that can be moved around and manipulated at the will of others, ( no matter what their own personal feeling are ) won't that sooner or later, affect how these WonderDocs do their jobs ? It has to. They are only human.
Want2Sleep

Well, I guess so. I think he's just like any other chief of surgery, he wants his hospital to be the best. [/quote] Isn't this thread about Burketina? Not the Chief/Addison??
marymary
After last night's episode, (Lonely Heart), I am having trouble with this relationship. Cristina is a really interesting character and exceptionally well-played by SO, but I was struck by a thought last night: if I'm the real Burke, what does she bring to the relationship? Is she fantastic in bed? He doesn't seem that shallow. Does he have some kind of Pygmalion thing, and he's enjoying her evolution? He might be that egotistical, but I don't think so. Is he so incredibly insightful that he can see past all the layers of prickly, high-maintenance crap to her beautiful soul? That must be it. Like I said, I really like her, but I only spend an hour a week with her.

From her side, it's easier to see. He has been thoughtful, kind and patient. He's demonstrated some courage and commitment to their relationship. She brings him to Thanksgiving, and he is a total team player, cooking with Izzie, and doesn't get mad that she ditches him to go back to the hospital. Outstanding boyfriend behavior.

As she walks past his beautiful breakfast and out the door without two words, much less a "thank you", I just realized I don't get it. I am prepared to be enlightened --- post away.
minnie mouse
marymary, Burketina is the only relationship I like on this show, but I'm blinded by the IW hotness. After this last epi, I'm starting to hate Cristina. I get that she has intimacy issues, but damn, give the guy a break. Why is she so hostile towards him all the time? I can't wait to see him check her ass next week.
sarah1225

I was incredulous and kind of offended with his "I'm not going to wait forever" when she just recovered from her surgery and was on her first day back - but he wanted an answer about where they were.[/quote]
This was said about a month ago, but I'm rarely in the character threads, so sorry that I'm responding to something so old.
But I totally agree. You'll probably all want to kick me out of here, but I'm not a fan of the relationship either. I understand that maybe Cristina isn't very emotionally mature and isn't good in relationships, and needs a little guidance from Burke as to what steps to take next. But it seems like every episode he threatens to leave her if she doesn't do what he says. She got out of surgery, and he needed to know what was going on right away. Then it was "I'm going to tell the Chief, or its over". Now it's "Move in with me or I'm out". I get that she needs little pushes every so often to make sure the relationship moves forward, but he seems overly pushy and controlling to me. Maybe it's part of his God complex, but I'm not a fan.

I liked these two for a while because they seemed like the only functional couple on the show. Meaning..they hadn't completely lied about something (McWifey). But now I just want Cristina to call him on it and say "you know what? Fine, take a step back." I don't like him controlling so much.
marymary

...he threatens to leave her if she doesn't do what he says.[/quote]
Wow, sarah, that's a good point. Upthread, I was posting from the Burke point of view (as minnie said, blinded by the IW hotness), but you really are right about that. I remember thinking him "outing" them was a pretty unilateral decision. And when he gave her the key and basically said "We're moving forward or I'm out", I was thinking that was incredibly abrupt. They've been on, like, two dates! And I'm counting Thanksgiving! I know they've hung out at the hospital and had lots of sex, but they haven't gotten to know each other very well, and so I do think his ultimatum was crazy-fast. So maybe they're both bad for each other. Sad that they're the most functional two-some on the block. :)
Michelle1

But it seems like every episode he threatens to leave her if she doesn't do what he says. She got out of surgery, and he needed to know what was going on right away. Then it was "I'm going to tell the Chief, or its over". Now it's "Move in with me or I'm out". I get that she needs little pushes every so often to make sure the relationship moves forward, but he seems overly pushy and controlling to me. Maybe it's part of his God complex, but I'm not a fan.[/quote]

The whole "I'm going to tell the Chief or its over" deal probably enraged me more than any other thing on this show. Most especially because I felt like the show was trying to convince me that he was right about telling the Chief when I was feeling violently offended on her behalf. She is a woman and an intern, so I feel like she is risking more reputation wise with having a workplace romance. If she wasn't comfortable with telling people about it, why couldn't Burke, oh, have tried to have a reasoned discussion about it instead of tense workplace exchanges? Especially since he's supposed to be the "mature" one?

If he wants more in a relationship than what she seems prepared to give, that's fine. Just look for it with someone else, don't keep trying to remake her. Sure, I think Christina could use a little personal growth. Just not at emotional gunpoint. She could leave him, yes, but that's another thing that's annoying me about this relationship. She's written as so damn timid around him at times that I don't believe that that Christina would break up with anyone. She took a few stances in this latest ep, but not quite enough.
flux
I really thought they were going to break up in this episode. The way he was saying she disrespected him in his OR and then her saying they have nothing in common. I got scared for a while.

It's true that they have nothing in common, he's a neat freak, she's not. He likes to be organize, he's not. Other than trying to be hot-shot surgeons, best of the best and they over achieving personalities, they really don't have nothing in common. I don't understand the attraction of Burke to Xtina and vice versa.

He has been underminding her since the beginning. I'm sure they both enjoyed the flings in the on call room but really, whoa, lets move in together after they've been together for how long? If anyone is going to break if off, I think it would be Xtina. It seems like Burke is already thinking so far ahead that Xtina probably can't take his "Listen to me, I know what's best for you" vibe.
sarah1225
This episode just make me like them less and less. I share Cristina's viewpoints re:religion and spirituality, but I did think she went too far making fun of him for it. She can't respect his spirituality, and he can't respect her lack of it. She told him she didn't celebrate Christmas or Hanuakkah, so what does he do? Decorates a Christmas tree and buys a Menorah? Go away Burke.

And I really loved Michelle1's term of holding her at emotional gunpoint. That's good.
Stardancer2001

She told him she didn't celebrate Christmas or Hanuakkah, so what does he do? Decorates a Christmas tree and buys a Menorah? Go away Burke.[/quote]

Well, it's his apartment. Burke has every right to have a tree. Plus Christina said she was Jewish, not that she didn't celebrate Hanuakkah. If she had said that she didn't celebrate holidays period, he wouldn't have had the Menorah. It's not as if he was Izzie and turning his place into [Meh]"Santa's freaking village" [/Meh]. Not once did Burke force Christmas down her throat.

He was pissed when she mocked him in the OR. He called her out and that was it. If it was in private, he would have let it go then.
Tabulous
I think TPTB are preparing us for a breakup. I initially loved this relationship, but as many of you have already expressed, it is starting to unravel. Yes, relationships are about working out your issues and growing. That's only if you are really invested in the other person. Xtina is at the point where career is first. Burke seems ready for something more, as evidenced by how hard he has been pushing. I don't think either of them are right or wrong, I just think that they are fundamentally different. Of course all of this might be simply because the raw chemistry/ electricity they emitted before hasn't been allowed to come through in their most recent scenes. It's not so much about attraction now, it's about growing pains. Call me shallow, but I'll take the romance and lust over the everyday stuff. Everyday stuff is what my "real life" is for.
umgoblue
I really like Burketina, because I think their fundamentally different personalities usually complement and challenge each other. Of course they clash every once in a while, every couple does. But I really don't think either Burke or Christina would be happy in a relationship that didn't challenge them. They just seem to work, to me anyways.
Michelle1

Plus Christina said she was Jewish, not that she didn't celebrate Hanuakkah.  If she had said that she didn't celebrate holidays period, he wouldn't have had the Menorah.[/quote]

I think the point of her saying that she was Jewish was that it was a bit of a leap to assume that she'd naturally want to be part of some Christmas celebration. For her to say "I'm Jewish" was the quickest way for her to explain why she wasn't so much going to be a part of that. The Menorah completely annoyed me because it was such a band-aid solution. It's like, well, it's okay that I have this tree and Christmas trappings as long as I put up this token to your religion, which yes, by that point she said she didn't celebrate anyway. To me it's like those holiday pageants every year we had as kids in public school where it was okay that we sang a dozen outright Christmas songs so long as we threw in one song about a dreidel. I get that Burke was trying to reach out here and not be dismissive, but it kind of struck me that way. Her deal was that she wasn't religious and had been raised Jewish, so Christmas wasn't going to be her bag on two levels.

It's not like I expect him to pack up his tree and put his spirituality under wraps just to make her comfortable. It's just that for once I'd like to see them actually discussing something. Putting up a Menorah doesn't solve their differences, and to me kind of insults the issue. And because he has been so insistent on them sharing a space and being more emotionally intimate, I don't think the "his apartment, his rules" thing is so much going to fly.

I actually do want to like Burke and I think that this relationship could work. It's the only one I'm remotely interested in as much as it annoys me at times. I'm just getting very tired of the whole "Burke makes a decision, Christina doesn't like it, things end up more towards Burke's end of the spectrum by the end of the episode anyway" deal. There have been a few times when I've agreed with Burke's position and I still end up annoyed with that ending because it's becoming so unilateral.
sarah1225

Christina said she was Jewish, not that she didn't celebrate Hanuakkah[/quote]
Didn't she say that she hadn't celebrated it in years?
Bruin4Ever
She said, "Seriously, Burke, I haven't observed religious holidays since I was old enough to know better." From that it's clear that she doesn't have any desire to recognize the religious holiday. I'm not sure how I feel about the inclusion of the Menorah, though. One the one hand, it's a gesture where he tries to reach out and include her spiritual background into their life together. But on the other hand, it could easily be seen as a slap in the face as he ignores her right to choose NOT to celebrate the season.

What I find interesting is that people think that just because Burke had a Christmas tree and believed in a mind-body-spirit connection that he is a Christian. In fact, he never says that, only that he is spiritual. Despite what Christina says, there is a difference.
marymary
I'm kinda conflicted. I agree that Burke seemed to miss the point (she's not spriritual) by putting up the tree AND menorah, but I think it was just a gesture. They're pretty good (especially Burke) at behaving, not talking. So I think that was his way to say it's her place too.

Remember, she was pretty confusing: On the one hand she said, "I'm Jewish"...now, she's not ethnically Jewish, so that leaves spiritually Jewish, but then she made the point that she's nothing at all. So what's a guy to do? He chose the menorah gesture.

And this,

She said, "Seriously, Burke, I haven't observed religious holidays since I was old enough to know better." [/quote]
is just plain rude.

Someone on the "Grandma" thread pointed out something I'd totally missed. In the last scene, in bed, he's reading a book on Judaism. So whether she's "really Jewish" or not, he's at least trying to connect. I guess I'm coming down on Burke's side on this one. He's a control freak, but he has some loving tendencies.
nadiafox
I love the characters apart from one another. They're each such interesting people. But together...notsomuch. I feel like I'm rubbernecking at a car wreck when I watch them discover more and more how different they are from each other. I hope it works out between them, but I'm not sure it will. It's just too much. One or both of them would need to have some massive epiphany. Either way, I'll still be watching.
sarah1225

In the last scene, in bed, he's reading a book on Judaism.[/quote]
I think I just hate Burke so much that this makes me mad too. Like, clearly she doesn't care about religion or spirituality or anything. He just makes me mad. It seems like he's just reaching at straws for something to talk to her about. Which I guess is nice, but maybe try something that she does show some interest in, not something that she deliberately says she has zero interest in.

Also, when Cristina said "Seriously, Burke, I haven't observed religious holidays since I was old enough to know better", I don't think she meant it to be rude. She's just a harsh person in general, she's not intentionally mean. She obviously didn't know that he would take offence to this.
Stardancer2001
All I want is for Burketina to have more in common. There's way too many differences that would sink other couples who weren't so much in love.
sarah1225

There's way too many differences that would sink other couples who weren't so much in love.[/quote]
Are they in love?

I don't think them being in love or not has anything to do with them not sinking, I think it's just laziness. I think Cristina likes having someone always on her side, and I think Burke likes having control over everything, including Cristina. I'm hoping for a breakup soon (though I know I'm in the minority, and I know it's very unlikely to be soon). And I think the writers just don't want to break up another couple so soon. Boo Burketina.
cosmom
Seems to me they have a relationship that has been shown many times on television, but with the roles reversed. Instead of a guy who is preoccupied with his career, relationship/commitment-phobic, rough around the edges, sloppy, and blunt to the point of being rude, we have SO doing that. Instead of a woman who seems to have it together in her life, but falls for the guy who isn't ready to settle down yet and spends an extraordinary amount of time and energy investing herself to get him to do so, we have IW doing that.

Seriously (ding! - a blatant rip off of ANTM's Actually (ding!)), how many times have we seen the little woman make a big old breakfast or dinner just to have the man fly out the door with a patronizing kiss on the head and "I gotta go, honey!).
Seems like it is a little more palatable when it is the guy being assey and elusive than when it is a woman. And when it is the woman with the excessive neatness/OCD thing, it usually comes off as fair game to tweak her antiseptic little world.

I like Christina/Burke's dynamic (but you know in an argument she is going to call him "Preston" in a way to mock him) - kind of Oscar/Felix.
Marquis
It's kind of sad that the support for Burketina has pretty much disappeared after the last few episodes. Reading this board shows the dramatic decline in Burketina shippers since they got togther in S1.

I still think that they are going to make it. As someone said uptheread, these are just growing pains. If the writers wanted to be really interesting they could have them break up, with Xtina calling it off and then have them maybe find their way back to each other after they have both grown up a little. Burke could learn to respect Xtina's opinions and to unbend a little, and Xtina could learn to be less prickly and defensive.
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