I loved that the two impaled people were both such sympathetic characters. It's always tempting to make one person (the one they should save) be a jerk who is transformed by the experience.[/quote]
I didn't really expect them to go with the one good the other jerk situation. By making both sympathetic characters, the choice becomes harder as the condition progresses.[/quote]
I also liked that even though the character tried to go the whole "she's younger, she deserves to live" route, that couldn't happen because of the relative medical conditions.
winebox
Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:03 am
All I know is between the McDreamy/Meredith situation and the two impaled people, I was a sodden wreck by the end of the episode. That's what I call good TV.
PhDelicious
Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:07 am
Let's see...where to start...obviously some of the intensity of my reaction to this ep has waned since Sunday, but I have to admit to crying through the last 15 minutes or so.
I'm not really anti-Addison. She's a good doctor and she seems to have a good grasp on whats going on around her. She hasn't been unduely cruel to Meredith, but she's made her position clear. I hope Izzy takes her up on the offer.
The person I really want to hate is McDreamy but to quote
MeghanV:
Dr. McDreamy has also gone from the Dr. McPerfect of yesterseason to Dr. McAsshole (seriously, after pursuing Meredith SO HARD to just, 'oh yeah, I'm married, she's my wife, I forgot she's important to me'). He's just, you know, a sympathetic Dr. McAsshole, which is a credit to the writers and to Patrick Dempsey.[/quote]
And as for Meredith being weak and pathetic and not in control of this relationship...well Duh! McDreamy holds all the cards. He's older, theoretically more mature, more settled in his career, her boss, and the main reason this was a relationship and not a one night stand. Meredith's life is a mess. Her mother is a basketcase. She's paying her dues in a job where she is the lowest person on the totem pole. The man she fell hard for turns out to be her boss and then to be married. And to top it all off he was practically begging her to give him a reason to choose her over Addison. Who wouldn't be a wreck after that?
On a totally different note: I loved Christina's "Does that mean I get to sleep with other people while we're on duty?" (or whatever the exact wording was)
And I want George to follow me around like a little lost puppy dog too, just please please don't have him hook up with Meredith while she's on the rebound!
Paradise
Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:12 am
This was a good episode. I felt like TPTB tried to focus on too many personal storylines in light of the heavy medical stuff they had going on this week. I was disappointed in how Mer was so absorbed in her own stuff that she let it get in the way of her job. I thought it was inappropriate for her to act the way she did when people were about to lose their lives.
Was I the only one who “lost their shit” when McD walked into Joe’s Bar. I was so happy. Of course later on we all find out he only went there to tell Mer it was over. Blah!
Satan’s whore was robotic. Does this bitch ever show any emotion??? I have a hard time with the fact that McD is taking her back when she’s shown little to no remorse about her cheating. She’s very business like in dealing with him. I don’t understand why this doesn’t turn him off.
bankers hours
Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:19 am
I think it makes perfect sense for Mc to choose Addison (in fact, I would have thought it completely unrealistic for him to have chosen Meh). Married couples do cheat and separate but evenutally get past it and reconcile in the real world. However, if they are going to work it out, they need to address why she cheated in the first place-obviously, there were problems that went silently unresolved.
Meh just needs to accept that she was what Mc needed at that time in his life and move on. I do feel badly for Meh as she has had a pretty rough few weeks, the situation with her mother alone would be a lot for anyone to deal with. However, she needs to be put all of that aside and focus on her job (good distraction). Either that, or she should wake up and realize that George is the best guy on the show (but we know that probably won't happen, he is probably too nice for her-she seems to be the type that is attracted to "drama filled" relationships).
I am not on the Addison hate wagon that some other people are. She seems like a very intelligent person that made a terrible mistake and is trying to put her marriage back together AND having to do that in a work environment where many of the subordinates know all about her personal life (and I resent her because of it).
I don't know that Mc intentionally led Meh on, I honestly think he didn't know how he felt. I don't think he ever expected Addison to show up and want to pursue their marriage and reconcile. I think in his mind, the marriage was over the minute she cheated on him and he left to start over. I just don't think it ever occured to him that he might have some unresolved feelings for Addison; I think he viewed Meh as the second chapter in his life. The only issue I really have with Mc is that the minute he started to sense that Meh was really falling for him (because let's face it, when she decided to start officially seeing him, she was pretty blatant about her feelings for him) he should have told her about his marriage. He had plenty of opportunities-how many times did Meh grill him about his past and he kind of blew her off? Sometimes he actually made her feel like a psycho girlfriend about it, like she had trust issues or something. He could have come clean but chose not to.
Shambola
Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:23 am
First, what an awesome surprise checking TWOP this morning and finding "Grey's Anatomy" Recaplet! YAY! Thank you! (and we didn't even have to buy a recap like House people, heee)
Second, love the show, but hated this episode. Absolutely hated. For me, this was the worst episode of the whole series.
Reasons I didn't like it:
- the "choice" was very clear with last week's anvilicious foreshadowing by Meredith's mom - "he won't leave his wife". Yes, she wasn't talking about McDreamy, but we all know a plot device when we see one. Hence, no tension.
- Mrs. McBitch's statement of "you had a contraction, we must do a c-section!" WHAT?!?!? She had ONE contraction. ONE, people. I know this is TV, but this is a bit much, even for shock and awe tactics. This is not established labor. We don't know anything about little details like oh say, cervical dialation and softening. They haven't tried to stop contractions yet. There is absolutely NOTHING to indicate that this is any kind of emergency - it's not even labor yet! And the "victim" didn't even look that badly burned. Why would you want add insult to injury and do an immediate c-section without trying anything else? That just looked dumb and insulting to anyone who knows anything about childbirth. That seriously grated.
- The pole - it looked like there was plenty of length of the pole to move BOTH people slightly backwards and cut the pole in between the two. The length of the pipe is uniform, so internal pressure would've been maintained to avoid the bleeding and organs wouldn't shift. In the beginning, they were also sitting far enough apart that the cutting would have been possible even without moving. Why was that not an option? The disbelief, she is not suspended...
- The final hammering over the head with Meredith screaming"You can't just abandon her!" WE. GET. IT. Stop now with anvils now, my head hurts. Whatever happened to "subtle" and "less is more"? That little bit just sealed the HAAAATE for this episode for me.
- How could I forget? The "if love was enough, she'd still be with you" or something along those lines that McDreamy tells the spouse of the impaled dead girl within Meredith's ear shot. I should have liked it, it was his ass-backwards apology to Meredith, but you know what, it's cliche, and felt forced, and cheap. Stop projecting, grow a pair of balls, and deal with it face-to-Meredith kind of way. You made your choice, now deal with it, McDreamy. You chose your wife, now don't go around saying "This is so complicated" and "If only love was enough".
Things I did like:
- turning to look at the opening door to see who enters, all the way through to the end. Been there a few times, it's funny to watch someone else obsess over it.
- Christina's "Does it mean when we are on duty I can have sex with someone else?!" I am writing that into my prenap. :)
- Whoever plays Alex is doing a wonderful job with adding depth to the character and showing more complex emotions than just being the "asshole" he was to date.
- Dr. Bailey and her "if I am not going home, no one else is!".
Can't wait to read the recaps and the forums. :)
brightlights
Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:36 am
just please please don't have him hook up with Meredith while she's on the rebound![/quote]
ITA. I'm loving George having a plotline and a life outside of Meredith. Having them hook up now would ruin it for me.
Paradise
Nov 2, 2005 @ 9:39 am
I think it makes perfect sense for Mc to choose Addison (in fact, I would have thought it completely unrealistic for him to have chosen Meh). Married couples do cheat and separate but evenutally get past it and reconcile in the real world. However, if they are going to work it out, they need to address why she cheated in the first place-obviously, there were problems that went silently unresolved.[/quote]
I agree that it is more realistic that he choose to stay with his wife, because after 11 years of marriage I can understand wanting to either try to fix the marriage or gets some closure. I am pleased that GA is staying “real”. However, I do not agree with what you said about Married couples just get past adultery. I know PLENTLY of marriages (my parents for one) that cannot get past adultery that happened in the marriage. Also, especially with the fact that Addison is coming off as such a self righteous b and being somewhat smug about the whole thing has made me really mad. If I were her husband, I don’t know how I’d begin to forgive her if she can’t even act human about what happened in the past.
whatthedeuce
Nov 2, 2005 @ 10:02 am
How could I forget? The "if love was enough, she'd still be with you" or something along those lines that McDreamy tells the spouse of the impaled dead girl within Meredith's ear shot. I should have liked it, it was his ass-backwards apology to Meredith, but you know what, it's cliche, and felt forced, and cheap. [/quote]
That was such a soapish line that I could barely stand to listen to it. Just when I'm starting to think the writers are brilliant, they throw shit lines like that into the mix so I have to reconsider.
The final hammering over the head with Meredith screaming"You can't just abandon her!" WE. GET. IT. Stop now with anvils now, my head hurts. Whatever happened to "subtle" and "less is more"? That little bit just sealed the HAAAATE for this episode for me. [/quote]
Seriously. I already was feeling bad for Meredith, but then they kept hitting us over the head with Bonnie dying and Meredith yelling about not abandoning her, which just made me roll my damn eyes.
jbra
Nov 2, 2005 @ 10:36 am
Agreed. Though I didn't hate the whole episode because of it, I felt like that Meredith's freak out made her look like a bad doctor, and was slightly out of character.
Loved how Meredith finally called McDreamy out, though. As much as I love him, waiting until the "right time" was such an annoying boy thing to do. Also, while I sympathize with the rationale behind his choice, and I realize this wasn't the right time for a big explanation, telling Meredith "she's my wife" is totally unacceptable! It's not cool to tell someone for weeks on end that some woman is the devil, and then expect "she's my wife" to suffice. He handled that poorly.
There was a split second in this episode where George looked really hot. My prediction for the season finale is this: George either tells Meredith or is about to tell her how he feels, then McDreamy comes running back to Meredith and ruins it for George. Maybe we'll even get a repeat of that scene from the finale of My So-Called Life, with Angela staring at Brian as she walks away with Jordan. Sigh, love the angst!
calliopenyc
Nov 2, 2005 @ 10:39 am
SO PSYCHED that TWoP has added this show!! My cousin is a writer and the Supervising Producer of Grey's and I know she was very proud of this episode in particular so I'm glad for her sake to see all the love (well, mostly love).
Me, I cried. I found it hard to believe that two people impaled on a pole weren't in incredible pain, but, they do have doctors on staff for this show so I can only assume such a thing is possible...somehow...
Also, I have to admit, I like Addison. Hated her at first, and I do feel so so sorry for Meredith, but she's just so freaking awesome.
ALittleAddicted
Nov 2, 2005 @ 10:53 am
In the beginning, they were also sitting far enough apart that the cutting would have been possible even without moving. Why was that not an option? The disbelief, she is not suspended...[/quote]
ITA, Shambola - I just didn't buy why there wouldn't have been a legitimate attempt to save them both. That said, I was still all torn up over this! It was completely illogical, unlikely and impossible to fathom but somehow I felt awful and very sad for all involved. Sure sign of good writing and acting, as far as I am concerned.
I, for one, am happy that McDreamy chose Addison. I like her character and find her hard to hate, despite her infidelity. I have thought Meredith was pathetic, boring and whiny in so many episodes this season that I would prefer to watch Addison, who we barely know, function in a relationship than her.
I am SO happy this show was added to the lineup! Looking forward to the recaps and forums!
starlily
Nov 2, 2005 @ 11:04 am
YEAH FINALLY Grey's Anatomy on TWOP. It's my favourite show right now.
I'm glad Meh and McDreamy are over - it needed to be over. They dragged that sucker out wayyy too long.
Second, I LOVE the Psychedelic Furs/Jawbreaker reference of the title. That's one of my favourite Jawbreaker songs.
RandomRanter
Nov 2, 2005 @ 11:08 am
Yep, that's two weeks in a row that my "guilty pleasure" show made me cry. And Sunday - we are talking buckets. But I agree that the anvils need to chill a bit, or I'll be crying for a whole different reason.
I guess my issue with the who does McDreamy pick triangle is that we haven't gotten to see enough of Addison and McDreamy as a couple to have any sense of why he would want to stay with her. I don't see him as pining after her or even really missing her. And maybe that's just because we see more of Meredith and she's a little more open (too open even) with her feelings. But, while I wasn't surpised he would stay with Addison, his whole "of course" approach was grating because from the audience's perspective or Meredith's - there isn't an of course. (IMO).
But I agree, I'm liking the fleshing out of Alex's character especially.
Sheila Muir
Nov 2, 2005 @ 11:10 am
Also, I have to admit, I like Addison. [/quote]
I do too. I think she is a strong female character who uses judgment as well as emotions in her relationships. She wants her husband back and regrets her actions, but isn't turning into a complete emotional wreck over it or letting it run her life. She knows what she wants and goes after it, but she knows there is a life and a future for her no matter what. She is the kind of woman I would like to see more of on TV. She, Cristina and Izzie are all great female characters. Meh has a lot on her plate I'll admit, but she's such a wreck I sort of get annoyed sometimes. And getting all her coworkers to say they dislike Addison, even Alex? Immature.
I think Derek made the right choice even if he sort half-assed getting there.
netful
Nov 2, 2005 @ 11:37 am
The Napoleon complex is great...[/quote]
I don't see that at all. I just think she's a tough, no nonsense kind of gal, with a tender hidden side, of course. I really don't see any over compensating because she's short, or because she's a woman. I don't think either of those factors have a part in the spunky babe who is Bailey.
He kind of rocks now.[/quote]
Before you know it, you'll be on the George Love Train saying how much he totally rocks.
I said this in the old thread and I'll say it again. I hope that the writers don't feel that it's necessary that in EVERY SINGLE episode at least one of the patients problems paralells the problems of the doctor who just happens to be treating them. That gets so old, so fast. How often does a doctor, or nurse, just happen to be treating a patient who's situation and/or outcome just happens to contain the answer that they needed in their life, and perhaps didn't even know they were seeking.
I understand that people in the medical profession take something away with them from every patient they see. But the freakin' anvils on this show are getting way too out of hand for my taste.
I still think that GA is the best show on TV right now. It sort of reminds me of how much I loved M*A*S*H.
November Jones
Nov 2, 2005 @ 11:39 am
I am so glad this show was added!
I liked the episode, it was the understated moments that got to me, not Meredith's freak out about saving that poor impaled girl. One moment I liked was when Dr. Bailey stopped the elevator without a word so that McDreamy could express and then compose himself. Just awesome.
sarah1225
Nov 2, 2005 @ 11:49 am
I agree that Addison is handling it well, being open about what she wants, etc. but has she been sorry at all? All I can remember is her "We have 3 options" speech where she just told McDreamy that he'd have to forgive her and get over it. I just..don't see this going anywhere. I know Meredith is being kinda pathetic, but I think it's better that she at least came out and told him that she's in love with him and then made him choose, instead of pretending she didn't care. Maybe the whole cheating thing hits a little too close to home, but I'm still pissed he chose McSatan. Maybe try being alone for a while?
The "if love was enough" line was totally soap-opera-y which (sadly) is probably why I liked it so much. I know it was full of cheese but 1. McDreamy didn't come up with it himself and 2. It was nice to see (along with the elevator scene) that he is actually torn about what to do about the women.
JohnConstantine
Nov 2, 2005 @ 12:07 pm
This show is totally reminding me of St. Elsewhere, only with less surrealness and more pretty people.
whatthedeuce
Nov 2, 2005 @ 1:16 pm
Before you know it, you'll be on the George Love Train saying how much he totally rocks. [/quote]
There are people who don't think that already? How sad.
Penfold
Nov 2, 2005 @ 2:06 pm
Though she's certainly less hateworthy than she was at the start of the series, Meredith still gets on my nerves. That whole nod to George to get out of the room so she can discuss her romantic future with Derek was completely asinine.
Jesus, Meredith, think you could put your cooch on hold for a few hours? Or at least until you're not surrounded by decapitated people?
Shambola
Nov 2, 2005 @ 2:17 pm
That whole nod to George to get out of the room so she can discuss her romantic future with Derek was completely asinine.
[/quote]
And there was me, thinking why the hell George isn't out of the room faster than a cat being chased by a blood hound when he realized he is the room with two of them all by his lonesome... There is a lot to be said for tact, and George doesn't always have it. Or a clue, for that matter. Or a sense that he is not welcomed. You know, people skills? If he would have picked up on the vibe in the room, the "asinine" nod would not have been necessary.
gl_shark
Nov 2, 2005 @ 3:03 pm
And there was me, thinking why the hell George isn't out of the room faster than a cat being chased by a blood hound when he realized he is the room with two of them all by his lonesome... There is a lot to be said for tact, and George doesn't always have it. Or a clue, for that matter. Or a sense that he is not welcomed. You know, people skills? If he would have picked up on the vibe in the room, the "asinine" nod would not have been necessary[/quote]
I really can't fault for not picking up a vibe when there are two people with a pole sticking through them and one is certain to die in the next room. I thought everybody [including McD] had their focus on the patients while Mer was emotionally 'not in the game'. I'm one of those who felt that those scenes were over the top.
I was hoping George would have snapped back and said 'talk to him later, this is not the right time'
flux
Nov 2, 2005 @ 3:08 pm
I was hoping George would have snapped back and said 'talk to him later, this is not the right time'[/quote]
I thought George was being a gossip and was trying to milk time before Meh had to motion him out.
fonebone37
Nov 2, 2005 @ 3:15 pm
And there was me, thinking why the hell George isn't out of the room faster than a cat being chased by a blood hound when he realized he is the room with two of them all by his lonesome... There is a lot to be said for tact, and George doesn't always have it. Or a clue, for that matter. Or a sense that he is not welcomed. You know, people skills? If he would have picked up on the vibe in the room, the "asinine" nod would not have been necessary. [/quote]
I gathered that he was being protective of Meh and needed the nod to tell him it's okay for him to leave. Kind of like when Xtina, George and Izzy were "running" into Derek to allow Meredith to "escape" in 2.01 (I think) when Addison had just dropped the m-bomb on her.
just my $0.02
Midnightmom
Nov 2, 2005 @ 3:20 pm
Jesus, Meredith, think you could put your cooch on hold for a few hours? Or at least until you're not surrounded by decapitated people? [/quote]
Just a quick note for medical clarity: the people in the OR were impaled; not decapitated. It was the carnage at the site of the wreck where people were decapitated and the EMTs were not too concerned about finding a missing leg amongst all the other body parts.
BTW-I wonder if any of the 'wrong' legs ever made it back to their rightful owners. Seemed to my like the doc was a bit obsessing over finding the damn leg. There are tons of other people who need surgery-emergency surgery-so just leave it amputated, close up the wound, and move on to the next patient!!!!!!
Suespace
Nov 2, 2005 @ 3:34 pm
Yay, a GA board!
What bothered me about the "If love were enough..." line was that I didn't hear Bonnie say it. So to me, it sounded like something Dr. McD dreamed up to tell the grieving fiance. Which is not okay. He should have just told the guy that she was thinking of him until the very end, which she was.
The elevator moment was brilliant.
I also really liked the moment when Bonnie said something like, "I don't know about Tom, but I have a pole running through my insides and I didn't think I was getting out of here anytime soon." It put her lighthearted attitude through the whole episode in a new light - it wasn't that she didn't understand how dire her situation was, it was that she was trying to make the best of it.
I'm glad McD picked Addison for several reasons:
1. It makes the drama better for the show in general - Meredith can be mopey, examine other options, have to deal with working with both Derek and Addison.
2. It leaves only one intern-doctor relationship (Christina and Burke).
3. Derek didn't leave his wife because he didn't love her anymore, he left because he was angry and hurt that she slept with his best friend. It makes sense that he might want to try again and see if what was hurt can be repaired.
HATED the "You can't just abandon her!" moment. If Meredith had just kept working on the woman, we would have gotten it.
By the way, about the annoying woman on the cell phone who died... wouldn't anyone who was in that train accident be checked out? Would they just look at her, say "You look okay" and move on?
Imaginary Foe
Nov 2, 2005 @ 3:39 pm
2. It leaves only one intern-doctor relationship (Christina and Burke).[/quote]
That's the reason I was glad McD chose Addison over Meh. That, and it gives Meh something to "meh" about. However, I couldn't help feel sorry for Meh - despite the fact that she was as drunk as an uncle at a wedding - as she thought she had everything going for her.
The whole man and the woman and the pole thing ... am I the only one who was severely grossed out by the plot?
Irvys Sefie
Nov 2, 2005 @ 4:04 pm
A big "Whooo!" to TWoP for adding Grey's Anatomy to its roster! I'm new to the show (I've only seen roughtly 6 or 7 episodes), but I really really like it!
My favourite characters have to be Christina and George. Sandra Oh is just awesome in everything she's in and George is so dorky and cute!
One thing though...is the next episode going to be new? I live in Canada, and CTV showed the preview from the episode two weeks ago at the end of this one, so I'm not sure.
WesternSkies
Nov 2, 2005 @ 4:04 pm
What bothered me about the "If love were enough..." line was that I didn't hear Bonnie say it. So to me, it sounded like something Dr. McD dreamed up to tell the grieving fiance.[/quote]
Well, I'm pretty damn sure that Bonnie said it. 'Cuz she asked McD if he'd be the one to talk to "her Danny" (which phrase, for some reason, made me cry more) and she whispered something to him. I think they just didn't let us hear it then so it could be saved until the end and come from a weepy McDreamy.
ETA: In Florida we got a promo for a new ep with a pregnant dude.
randolph
Nov 2, 2005 @ 4:14 pm
I'm still not sure how I feel about Meredith. Her admission to Izzie that she is a vapid narcissist when she gets alcohol into her, and that she is quite aware of that fact, was endearing. But I'm in total agreement Penfold that confronting McDreamy while he was trying to take care of impaled and dying people was vapid and narcissistic. And she was supposedly sober. So, for me, someone being a vapid narcissist while drunk is forgivable. But if I had to hang out with someone who was one all the time, I would likely want to smack them now and then.
cgogis
Nov 2, 2005 @ 4:20 pm
By the way, about the annoying woman on the cell phone who died... wouldn't anyone who was in that train accident be checked out? Would they just look at her, say "You look okay" and move on?
[/quote]
They would be treated based on the severity of injury. Due to the number of people coming into the ER, someone walking around, taking on a cell phone, etc. would not be looked at as a high risk. People visibly injured would get priority treatment. May not seem to have worked out for that patient, but I'm pretty sure that's the way triage works.
jennifuh
Nov 2, 2005 @ 4:28 pm
Mmmm... new forum... roomy!
Seemed to my like the doc was a bit obsessing over finding the damn leg.[/quote]
I agree, but Xtina thought Webber was going to fire her, and I assumed he was thinking about getting sued for not reattaching a leg, regardless of the fact that there were a wide array of legs to sift through and choose from.
Bailey love over here, and lots of it.
gl_shark
Nov 2, 2005 @ 5:00 pm
I agree, but Xtina thought Webber was going to fire her, and I assumed he was thinking about getting sued for not reattaching a leg[/quote]
I thought Webber was coming off more grouchy than usual because he wanted to show his staff that he was capable to perform surgery again, and ambitious Xtina interpreted differently.
The Chief & McD have had this amusing bickering going on about him coming back to work. I enjoy their scenes.
jewlmc
Nov 2, 2005 @ 5:19 pm
And there was me, thinking why the hell George isn't out of the room faster than a cat being chased by a blood hound when he realized he is the room with two of them all by his lonesome... There is a lot to be said for tact, and George doesn't always have it. Or a clue, for that matter. Or a sense that he is not welcomed. You know, people skills? If he would have picked up on the vibe in the room, the "asinine" nod would not have been necessary.[/quote]
Maybe he didn't leave the room right away because he was busy scrubbing up for the important surgery that was going on? Maybe he looked for a nod of "ok" from Meredith before he left because he's actually her friend(something we can't say about McDreamy at this point)?
Maybe then was NOT the time for a heart to heart between Meh and McD and THEY and their stupid crap was what was actually out of place. Maybe Meh needs a clue, you know about people dying in the next room and that maybe her love life isn't that all fired important that every doctor must drop what they are doing and march out of the room when Meh and Derek are in a room together. That could make hospital operations quite tricky.
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