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Gabriela

I have a question, though. I always had read that the exit scenes were taped in advance - the luggage to the cab. But obviously this wasn't. Are they really taped after the boardroom after all?[/quote]

How would they coordinate outfits if they were taped in advance? The contestant would have to wear the same thing to the boardroom each time in case they got fired if their exit scene was already shot.


That? Was nothing more than some strategically planned sweeps stunt.[/quote]

It's not sweeps yet. If this had been planned, they would have saved it for next week.
agentnojo

I'll tell ya this: I don't know if it was Trumps idea, or Mark Burnett's to fire all four, but I guarantee you those folks remaining will be sincerely motivated next week -

I'm talking "Selling Yo-yo's to amputees" motivated.[/quote]

I doubt it, not if they realize that Trump has to resort to firing Chewbacca to keep the season long enough.
Viajero

That said, clearly going after an adult market (golf) verses a kids one (baseball) set the tone. I'm not sure even if the baseball diamond-thingy had even been set up as planned would they have won. Golfers are by design a richer clientele, and one especially willing to spend money on their hobbies. Baseball, except for the shoes and gloves, most children get their equipment and uniforms from the leagues they play in.[/quote]

I think that Excel would have had a better chance of winning (or at least not showing a loss) if they'd listened to Rebecca's suggestion of using soccer as their sport. The equipment and clothing is generally less expensive, and I think more kids play soccer today than baseball. Rebecca was on the right track, but James was more passionate about his idea.[/quote]

In spite of a wealth of material, I found the most idiotic idea of the night to be Rebecca's. The task was to increase sales of sports equipment. Golf presents many opportunities for sales. Rebecca suggested they focus on soccer. The equipment for that sport consists of - what? The ball? [/quote]

Well, why not target a product that doesn't sell mostly and build a promotion around it. Like say the bowling section makes an average of $500 in sales a day. Do a promotion to get people into the store, set up a great bowling section, all they would have to do is sell $1000 of bowling supplies and they will have increased sales for that sport by 100%. It's almost an instant win. [/quote]
This last one is on target. The potential for total sales with each sport matters little, since they were only being judged based on the % increase in sales for their respective section of the store.

For example, increasing the sales of soccer balls (or baseball bats) from an average of 10 to lets say 20 would win over increasing the sales of sets of golf clubs from 10 to 17 (ie. 70%), even though the retail value of those additional 7 sets of golf clubs is much greater than that of 10 soccer balls or baseball bats.

Given this, Rebecca’s idea was not necessarily that bad. I don’t have the stats right in front of me at the moment, but remember reading last year that currently soccer is roughly almost 2 to 1 over baseball in terms of participation in youth leagues in the US (and in fact, is second only to basketball). Furthermore, in the case of soccer, you would have both the girls and boys bugging their parents to buy them something.

But what really surprised me was that (as far as we could tell) none of the teams even bothered to research the average sales of each section of the store. I’m not even in sales or marketing, but immediately thought of this as soon as the task was announced. This is the very first thing Kendra would have done.

Golf may still have offered an advantage because adults have more discretionary spending, but it’s not that clear cut. The main reason that Excel lost was that they forgot this was about sales and I think James was as responsible as anyone for that as he basically walked over everyone else in selecting the sport and then in putting all the emphasis on the batting cage. At least Alla kept her focus on what was important.

I really have no problems with all four of them being fired.
Poque
I was informed by an east coaster that I should definitely tune into tonight's boardroom, since I haven't been paying attention to this season at all. Holy shit. I was not disappointed. That's an A+ just on the taxi hilarity factor alone.
ajesquire

although something like home exercise equipment might have worked also.[/quote]

Agreed. In fact, I think exercise equipment/apparel would've been just about the only other area that could rival golf in terms of the widespread customer demographic, assortment of product, and impulse-purchase material.

Basically, I think any team sport was doomed to failure. And when they chose a team sport that overwhelmingly involved just one gender (although I guess softball could include girls) they sealed their fate in terms of limited sales potential.
Summa

Next week? I so want the opening to be everyone sitting around the suite. Checking their watches. Waiting. Crickets chirping. Waiting. And finally they go to bed. I so do not want Robin calling them. I just want to see the lights finally go out as the realization sinks in. They. Aren't. Coming. Back.[/quote]

I so totally agree. Usually I find the conversation in the suite just as boring as the reward, but I want to see this suite speculation. I wonder how long it takes them to figure out what's going on.

Best! Boardroom! Ever!

And I don't think that I've ever seen The Donald so po'ed and/or disappointed as after all four left the room. But I guess he should be. Sponsors pay top dollars to get on the show, and this sponsor just lost money. Not good for getting sponsors in the future, especially since I heard that a couple backed out at the last minute this season.
GoIrish2
On a fashion-related note, did anyone notice that Kristi left her pink gloves for one of her successors (whose name I have forgotten, and who paired them with an equally wacky and giant not-quite-the-same-pink-colored sweater)?
chipshot
What a shocker! I figured Jen and Josh were gone for sure but not all four.

Bill made me laugh ... he looked like a traffic cop writing out tickets while observing the baseball demo. The Chicago office tower sales and leasing must be slow, or non-existent!

And best quote goes to Markus ... (finally pops champagne bottle without slitting wrist), "Here's to Dick and Donald ... oh, and everyone else!" ROFL!
Bassari99
The final cab ride was very awkward but it seemed to me that Jenn suddenly had a moment of self-awareness in that embarrassing moment. It seemed to escape the men, however. Clearly, none of them was sure if they were supposed to say anything or who should talk first. Usually the embittered bootee winds up bitching about the cluelessness or the scheming behavior of the other person(s) who escaped the board room by the skin of his/her/their teeth. However, this time, for the first time, that person or those persons were all in the same car, all crammed into the backseat. Bitching under that scenario would have led only to a nasty physical confrontation in such unsually tight quarters. So there was nothing else left for them to do but sit there quietly and try to tolerate each other's company under the most humiliating of circumstances. For the viewer, it was hilarious in an insane kind of way. But I swear I saw Jenn let herself in on the joke as that brief smile began to flash over her face.
Kabelvision
Now I'm thinking about it...

What will happen with the rest of the season? Firing 4 together makes the season short, doesn't it? Will they have a NEL or a TBC as TAR does? What will be called, Non Firing Episode or Non Firing Task maybe?

Or is it possible to have an extra-length task with multiple complexity, thus forcing it to be a 2-episode task? Other option might be that they will have multiple-episode final, I think.
Obladi
Who was in charge of keeping an eye on the kids at the golf event? Markus? Felisha was the greeter. The two weakest team members were kept far away from sales. Smart planning. Conversely, James, who could have sold the most baseball equipment, was stuck with the kids all day.

Teaching those kids to play baseball must have been a wonderful pasttime. Too bad they were not focused on sales.
tnabna

I'm not feeling all the Marshawn love. We really haven't seen her DO anything except comment/complain about everything else. She's been hidden.[/quote]

I would think if there was something to complain about regarding Marshawn, the viceroys would have brought it up, so I'll take their word for it that she's actually performing well. I wouldn't say the fact that we haven't seen her do anything is evidence that she's been useless or flying under the radar. It's the editing.

I would have been happy just to see Josh and Jenthura go! But as someone mentioned upthread, choosing baseball was a horrible idea, so James deserved to be fired. I had no problem at all with the mass firing-all four of them deserved it.

Alla impressed me this week, and I'll give Markus credit-choosing golf was a great idea. I don't know if it was a ratings gimmick or not, but I don't care 'cause I enjoyed every minute of it!
noisebox
What Alla and her team remembered was that the task, as in most cases, is about selling. It is not about fufilling the whims of 6 year-old in you, you have to move the merchandise. That baseball diamond totally overwhelmed the goods, whereas the mini golf was a side attraction and the golf merch was centre stage.

Radar guns? Umm don't those things cause cancer?

Who the hell is Adam? I have only noticed him now.
tiggeril

What will happen with the rest of the season? Firing 4 together makes the season short, doesn't it? Will they have a NEL or a TBC as TAR does? What will be called, Non Firing Episode or Non Firing Task maybe?
[/quote]
I don't think so, no. There were 18 candidates at the beginning, but Trump keeps mentioning their "thirteen week job interview." I think the mass firing was built in.
mlp
The directors missed an opportunity for a great moment at the end when we usually see the winner(s) coming back from the boardroom and opening the suite door. They should have had a quick shot of the CWDW and then a looooooong shot of the empty hall and closed door followed by some spooky music as the shadow of The Hair appears on the wall and moves toward the door. Dum da dum dum.........Fade.
uranushertz
Word to all who said it was the best board room evah!

What I thought was funny? It was how Markus was holding/shaking the fishing pole like he was shaking the last drop of pee off his weener.


]Very good episode. I especially loved the cab ride too. Jennifer looked like she was going to burst out laughing.[/quote]

If you look closely, one of the guys already sitting in the cab gives Jennifer a big smile as she's getting in. By the way a few of them were squeezing their lips together, I think they all were trying not to laugh. Methinks they were instructed to keep quiet (an thus adding some humor) to the cabterview.


The worst part was he was holding her hands in the same way a husband on stage on a daytime talk show tries to gently explain to his wife that he's been sleeping with her parents.[/quote]

This has got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read!
Bookrat

looked really bored during the fishing.[/quote] Actually I thought some of them looked downright seasick. I'd be hurling over the side. Worst.Reward.Ever.

No, please, don't tell me that Carolyn said, "This is the worst defeat we have ever saw." The grammar, the grammar.

Ok, who told Trump, "I'm sorry I disappointed you Mr. Trump. I can do better" right after getting fired?

What do you get when you squish four losers in a cab?...Dead silence.

Sigh, poor James...was it really his fault that the batting cage was way too big?
And what happened to the idea of products being sold within the baseball diamond?
atlantis81
Best.Cab.Ride.EVER!

I agree with those that were impressed with Alla -- she seemed like a good leader and has had some pretty good ideas.

I was SO GLAD to see Jen M. fired -- FINALLY. She sucks, ya'll. On every.single.task, she sucked. But I do think that James and Josh and even Mark have shined in previous tasks, and I would have liked to see them have a second chance to mess up. Mark (and James)... he had so many OPPORTUNITIES to sell. James, too... they were, after all, the ones interacting with the kids the most. I don't think the concept was bad at all, I just think that they've never heard of suggestive selling before. I think their major downfall is not that they missed the mark in the task or couldn't sell, but that they are such GUYS that they forget everything else if cars or sports are involved. Typical.

I thought the episode was pretty boring on the whole, but maybe I spoiled it with all the spoilers. I think I'm going to stop doing that (yeah, right).

Anyway. Rebecca was spared, so I can't be too upset.
luvrhino
As of right now, we don't really know how the final cab ride went down. They may have all done spiels, but the camera caught them in an awkward 10 seconds of silence. Either way...funny.

I'm curious to see the dossier for this task to see if it elucidates on what constitutes a department. If some departments were much smaller, adding 7 people to promote a smaller department should have a much bigger affect, percentage-wise.

I also wonder what sales figures their numbers were being compared to. I'd assume it was to the previous year's figures on the same date. If not, choosing the sport that's in season would have been good (that looks like what they did). If numbers were compared to one year previous and poker equipment (often found in sporting goods stores) counted, that may have been the best choice, given its relative popularity in early 2005 vs. early 2004.

In all cases, hockey would have probably been the worst possible choice given the time of year and the NHL strike.
dragonchaser
They should have named the episode "We are getting our asses kicked by CSI.... what can we do to shake things up?"..

For entertainment and shock value, I give the episode an A +.. for reality value.. F-. I usually don't care so much when The Apprentice strays from the path of reality. But this was such an obvious ploy, it was hard to take seriously even in the slightest bit .. But , by reading the comments, it certainly turned some heads. And in the world of sales and business, that is what it is all about. So maybe this show is more realistic then I give credit for. I am so confused. and to make matters worse, I thought I saw Chewbacca in the Board Room. Apprentice, you have just rocked my world in a topsy turvey sort of way... thank you very much you desperately clever bastards...
jjj

They should have had a quick shot of the CWDW and then a looooooong shot of the empty hall and closed door followed by some spooky music as the shadow of The Hair appears on the wall and moves toward the door.[/quote]

That would have been perfect!

So, will the first ten minutes next week be the remaining members looking at the door of the suite and waiting ... waiting ... waiting ...

How will they find out there is no need to keep a light in the window?
eurp
Someone upthread mentioned using weight equipment as a sport. Perhaps, they could have considered selling something else from a fitness club, say yoga apparel and equipment, or tennis with its apparel and balls, tennis racquets (and someone restringing them). Instead of having people play tennis, with every purchase they could get something else free, or they could have three minutes hitting balls with someone (or some such sort of thing). Tennis, I know is something for everyone, while yoga tends to be female oriented, so it might not be as good.

On a much more trivial note - did anyone think that Jennifer looked like a flight attendant in the boardroom?
Cirqueen
Golf was a great choice for a department. Even though the team (I still cannot BELIEVE the Bloven and Friends won) knew nothing about the sport, and even though they had Markus, they picked pretty much an all year-round sport and one that usually attracts people with MONEY. Good call.

I was hoping the other team would go with Rebecca's soccer idea. They could have attracted boys AND girls AND their parents with that one. Batting cage? Whatever.

I WISH they had a camera in the "elevator" that the rejects have to ride to get out of the tower. I would have loved to hear their conversation: "Um...you guys? What just happened?" Or perhaps, "Um...do we have to share the taxi?"

I'm so glad there was finally a boardroom first that actually made my mouth fall open with surprise. Yes, it was unjustified for a couple of them, but the firing was dramatic and it felt really good in my tummy. As weird as that sounds. Ah, voyeurism.
PopCultDiva

Methinks they were instructed to keep quiet (an thus adding some humor) to the cabterview[/quote]

Methought so too.

"Go home (i.e. don't even bother to go to Sequesterville)" - so cruel!!!

I think it must have been hella embarassing for the Gang of Four (and assorted friends and family) to watch this firing. Curious to know if they had big bashes similar to Krusti's last week? This TV firing was such that you would want to be out of the country - or at least not forced to go into work on Monday (assuming they have to do NBC interviews tomorrow).

Did Alla say she was a mother of 4? If so, she looks great.

Just me, but I actually thought Josh looked kinda cute without the glasses. Too bad he's gone.
Interpol
"Gee, what an awfully long boardroom...I wonder when the guys (minus one) are coming back?"

It's a good thing they didn't judge based on gross total sold. Golf, with its common high-ticket items like $300+ drivers and $700+ iron sets would completely destroy baseball.

The road for Markus to the final 4 is still paved...
SmedIndy
I think it was realistic. It's not unusual for some companies to just fire a bunch of non-performing sales people and / or managers in one fell swoop. Bang! Yer out!
WinkyDink
Were these 2 different stores?
If so, both teams then could have picked golf.
Uni-sex, all ages, immensely popular, accepting of all skill levels, tons of clothing and equipment options (from style to gender to weather condition to materials used)---it was a no-brainer!

To me, the only rivals would be fitness training and skiing. But NOT any kind of team sport! (Who buys "soccer shirts"?)

The batting cage was THE reason for the loss, PERIOD. To blame it on Jennifer's sales or lack thereof is asinine. Here, Jen; you're the sales director on the Titanic. What? You let WHAT get in the way of success?

Bah.
Robert Loblaw
Loved the cab ride - would have been great showing them all getting dropped off at a bar - that's where I would have been headed after that...

Jen & Josh should have been fired. DT went too far with Mark & James, but of course he could bring them back in another episode and give them another chance - they seem to be doing a good job of mixing up the formula this season.

Jen is such a cute Barbie doll but boy can she get nasty with her back up against the wall!

Can't wait for DT or Carolyn to show up at the suite to 'splain things

Marcus - he didn't even get camera time showing him doing nothing tonight - he reminds me of the kind of guy that makes a great date but you know there is nothing substantial long term behind it cause he's really flaky...

Final four prediction: Randal, Rebecca, Marshawn & ... who knows, maybe Alla - she surprised me tonight.
Cirqueen
Who buys soccer shirts? People who play soccer! And soccer cleats and balls and practice goals and shin guards and shorts and socks...
Rowsdower
I'll have to step up to the plate and hand it to Clay, he kept a straight face while talking about touching wood at Dick's.
Girl
Whoa, what a surprise! I'm still sitting in shock - the episode just finished ten minutes ago...

When the teams were first divided, I thought that Capital Edge was facing a massive disadvantage - with Felicia and Markus as part of the team, there seemed to be a lot of dead weight. Still, I've got to give credit where credit is due. Alla was a competent manager - she was decisive, organized, and has good judgement. Unlike Felicia, whose atrocious job as PM still haunts me to this day, she's at least competent. Unfortunately, her bitchiness might work to her detriment later on. Comments like, "sales is one of Clay's very very very few talents," though arguably true, seems indicative of an inner vindictiveness. I wouldn't be too unhappy to see Alla in the final four, but man, would I be afraid to go against her in a competition like this. Or against her in a dark alley for that matter. Word to whoever said that Randall should watch his back...

I haaattee Josh. His incompetence was the primary reason why Excell lost this task, and he was completely insolent and rude during the board room. That just goes to show that for all his whining last week, he can't follow it up with action.

That was a great boardroom firing, and I would've been happy seeing just Jen and Josh go, but I could see why all four were kicked out. I feel as though it was a bit unfair that James got booted because I seem to remember him doing a good job the last few weeks. Granted, it was his concept, but the PM, seeing that the sales weren't working, should have made crucial changes. Also, I think his original idea was different from the one we saw. Then again, maybe I'm just making excuses for him because he is one hottie!!! Sigh...

I agree that Marshawn comes across as complaining a lot, but no one thus far has been complaining about her. Her and Rebecca are below the radar these days because they're performing well. Then again, I think that because they noticed something was wrong during the event, they should have spoken up. I still like both of them.

Picks for final four: Marshawn, Randall, Rebecca, and Alla.
Janet05
I think that the team that won did so because Anna did rock. She managed and we saw her managing. She nailed Clay's behavior from the gitgo and managed to make him a valuable member of the team, milking his assets and controling his negative issues - gating in the product, she just dismissed because it was foolish, no debate. Whining, let him use a little whining time so he knows he was heard and then back to work. She Managed Marcus as well. Everyone contributed, there was no "I can't work with this person, they are difficult". People were difficult and she worked with them and got the best anyway. She identified the task and kept her team focused on it. A 75% increase is fantastic. It will be interesting to see how this group does next week.

As for the losing team - Josh stunk as a PM, they were unfocused and seemed to use this as an opportunity to play, rather than work. Mark was a sales person, who didn't sell, he should have gone, not to mention that before the sale was run, he was talking with Josh about laying any task failure on Jen - shouldn't your concern be on winning first? Jen didn't sell, she didn't even look like she was trying to sell - which could have been editing - but she was obnoxious, she should have gone. Finally James was on some sort of ego trip with baseball. I think they should have broke even at worse, but to cause a sales loss is mind blowing, especially when you had the non-sales people selling. I do believe they all had to go, this was not a minor slip up, this was a major disaster and an embarassment.
SmedIndy
It's about the percentage of increase of sales, so a well produced soccer promotion would have definitely worked. As would have bowling, or hockey, or any sport that you can merch. Even curling!
Duct Tape Fairy

Oh, me too. You don't just go touching another person like that, including your supervisor. The worst part was he was holding her hands in the same way a husband on stage on a daytime talk show tries to gently explain to his wife that he's been sleeping with her parents.[/quote]

Annnnnnnd thats hot chocolate all over my monitor.


When Alla said that Marcus can't perform, was I the only one thinking she isn't the first woman to say that to him?[/quote]

Nope. Between that and the "Clay is not a man. He is an insecure bitch-woman times one thousand." line," I'm feeling the love for Alla.
Summa
What does CWDW mean?

Thanks.
Jer2002

And, I'm stuck at work for hours! Someone tell me about Carolyn! Did she just present the task in the BR or was there more of her in charge?[/quote]
That's all she did. For all the hype in the previews about her being in charge, I thought she sucked.
agentnojo

think how this task was graded was a little fishy. Because the numbers that were said on TV were rather meaningless. We have no idea what kind of sales are normally made in those departments. It doesn't surprise me that there was considered such a huge discrepancy between the two teams because this task was graded unlike any other. In all honesty no one has any real sense of what the numbers actually would show. So we just have to "trust" the producers about the differences and that they were meaningful.[/quote]

Agreed. Judging on the basis of percentage change in sales is making the success of the task too contingent on the typical product department sales level. Even if both teams were asked to market the same product and achieve the same dollar sales, if the typical sales and promotional success of one store is different from the other, this in itself will create a winner-loser situation. Unless, of course, part of the test is to see if the teams can figure out which product department of the store is underachieving.

In addition, it is entirely possible (although unlikely basing on the footage shown) that Josh's team generated greater dollar revenue but decreased percentage sales compared to Alla's team, which generated lesser dollar revenue but increased percentage sales.

I also believe that daily sales for golfing equipment has much greater variation relative to that for baseball items, so Alla's team was either going to win big or lose big compared to Josh's team.
Rowsdower

What does CWDW mean?[/quote]

The Corporate Weasel Death Watch. (Actually, it should be abbreviated ACWDW, Aspiring Corporate Weasel Death Watch.)

It was the term Miss Alli used in previous seasons to describe the Apprenti as they waited to see who was struck by the Cobra of the Donald.
Tupelohoney78
Holy wow, batman. That truly was a boardroom surprise!
A few things:
Super bummed that there's no more James eye candy. At least I still have Gavin Newsome and Quinn Snyder.
Can't believe Markus skated by again. Could he be a bigger tool? Perhaps we should rename the honking basoons of idiocy to "Markus's theme song."
Glad someone finally shut Josh up. "You failed too." Thank you, Caroline. I also really appreciated your careful annunciation and measured, even tones as you read the teleprompter to explain the task.
Silent cab ride? Oh...it was too glorious. Possibly my favorite Apprentice moment ever, and I'm including Bill's victory and Tana's spectacular psychotic break during her finale. They sure gave new meaning to Un!Comfortable! But if you can't revel in the misery and humiliation of people who whore themselves on television for fame and money, then what's the point of living?
icebird
Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god.

I thought there might be a double firind but FOUR? Wow. And the silence cab ride? Priceless.

Frankly I'm all for the brisk narrowing of the field.

Among the candidates left, Markus is dead weight and Clay is far too megalomaniacal to become the Apprentice. His comments about Alla? Look in the mirror Clay, look in the mirror.

Adam and Felicia seem to be in the middle of the pack. Adam has made almost zero impression good or bad so far. I seem to have blocked out Felicia's performance as project manager.

But my picks for final four: Marshawn, Randal, Rebecca and Alla. I think any one of them has a shot at winning at the moment. It will be interesting to see how they perform on upcoming tasks.
Hoola

In addition, it is entirely possible (although unlikely basing on the footage shown) that Josh's team generated greater dollar revenue but decreased percentage sales compared to Alla's team, which generated lesser dollar revenue but increased percentage sales.[/quote]

I wondered much about this too. Especially because I heard revenues mentioned so often earlier in the episode. And I wonder how the comparison was reached. Comparing an item to the previous year's sale on the same calendar day is not always valid because the day of the week would not be the same. It should be an average of the week surrounding the day from the previous year. It was definitely an unusual method for determining the winner. Like someone mentioned earlier, a rainy day can throw off sales 60% or more.

Still, I kept screaming at Capital Edge to go up and bring products to the people in line or at least engage them in conversations. They were stuck with that batting cage after it was built, Jen should have been able to make the best of a bad situation.
Summa
First, thanks for explaining CWDW. I do miss the ACWDW.

Second, although James & Mark might not have been very instrumental in the failure of their team and might not have gone home in other circumstances, I completely understand why there was the mass firing today.

The sponsors pay big bucks to get into the show. They hope that there is some payoff in future sales and immediate sales, when applicable. This sponsor paid money and LOST money for it. There had to be a mass firing to appease the sponsor gods.
Slump
Massacre!!! I totally didn't see that coming.

I understood the firings of Jen and Josh, because Jen should have been fired last week and Josh, for all of the complaining that he did, was a lousy PM; even worse than Elizabeth.

I can somewhat understand the firing of Mark, since Trump wanted to fire him during the Lambourghini task. If anything, he was fortunate that Chris' blunder in the boardroom gave him a few extra weeks.

As for James, I'm ambivalent on that one. Sure, the batting cage was his idea, but I don't think that he expected the batting cage to take up all of the space. Besides, I thought he should've gotten another chance; after all Trump has given other people chances.

I didn't think that there would be a better cabterview than the one with Maria and Wes, but this one trumps that one by a mile (no pun intended). I actually found it refreshing that no one spoke after all of the delusional cabterviews that has graced, or should I say disgraced, the show.

As big as a doofus as Markus is, I actually turned away from the screen when he was trying to open the champagne bottle with the knife. Just uncork the thing, yeesh!
polka dots
coastcat:
So, Mr. Trump, how's that whole "I was disappointed with last season's candidates so I personally hand-picked everyone for this season" thing going?[/quote]

Hee! I agree with a lot of posters so far that Josh and Jen definitely deserved to go (Josh, mostly for the toolish amount of eye-rolling and sneering he was doing in the BR) but Mark and James shouldn't have been fired with them. If he was going to do a BR massacre, I so would've preferred it to be done to Markus, Clay, Alla, and Felisha. Talk about whiny bitches. And now, we're left with a group where half the people are total shit. Ah well. More schadenfreude, I suppose. It'll be nice watching Marshawn, Randal, Rebecca, and Brian kick their asses. That's if the editors, you know, actually SHOW them doing the brilliant work that everyone is fucking telling us they're doing. C'mon now!

Broette:
Someone had to run the batting cage. I don't think the batting cage was that bad an idea, either, since it got people interested in their baseball department.[/quote]

Exactly. They were doing their job of drawing in the customers. It was everyone else's responsibility -- especially Jen's for being a fucking sales queen and Josh's for being the PM -- to do the selling. Josh, while being a total tool, was right in that the wait in line was long enough that they had plenty of people to sell to. Although, it wouldn't have hurt if Mark and James had tried to sell a bit too while they were teaching the kids to bat. Like, "Hey, swing it like this. Oh, and you know, this bat will really help you out a lot and if you buy some balls and a new mitt, you can practice more at home." How hard would that have been? Oh, I guess it would've distracted people from seeing what a total baseball god James is. Sigh.

It was like, they were doing well with the buildup and foreplay but just couldn't climax.

My Way:
And next week, Trump fires a wookie? With a pink suitcase? Hee.[/quote]

Her name is Alla.

Knick:
That was awesome! That was even better then the double firing in Season two![/quote]

It is. But just barely. I loved Wes's line - "I wish I could've at least had my own cab." But the awkward silence. I would marry that.

Hamhock96:
Golf was a good choice; high end merchandise there.[/quote]

I think it could just as easily have been a really bad choice for the exact same reason. I think it's easier for most people to buy a baseball bat or a baseball or a mitt than to buy a set of golf clubs or even just a few clubs. I don't think people go into a sporting goods store and just impulsively say, "Hey, you know, I should really try golfing." Golfing involves going to driving ranges and getting memberships and I don't think golfing equipment would be an impulse buy unless you're already totally into the sport. With baseball, it's easy just to buy a mitt and a few balls and throw them around with your kid in your backyard. But, as it turns out, Excel totally fucked up a perfectly good idea, and at the end of the day, Capital Edge kept their eyes on the ball and stepped up to the plate and thought outside the box and it was yoooooooge.

Muwarr90:
The only thing that would have made that boardroom better would have been letting Carolyn fire them all. [/quote]

They should've each gotten one. Bill: Jen, you're fired. Carolyn: Josh, you're fired. Trump: James, you're fired. Robin: Mark, you're fired.

ladolce:
I think as soon as Markus finds out, he'll become even more insufferably smug and assbackwardsly-unhelpful, because his feeling that he is the kind of man Trump wants will have been validated. [/quote]

Godfuckingdammit. I think you're right.

Chironian:
Does this mean there has to be another reshuffling next week?[/quote]

I think that since Capital Edge has a bigger team now, Excel will be able to pick a few people from the other team to join them. Any guesses on who their first pick is going to be? And, if they're smart, they'll split up Alla and Felisha. It could also go the other way around with Capital Edge dumping a few of their weak players onto Excel but that just seems unfair and I so hope that doesn't happen because Marshawn and Rebecca are too awesome and so do not deserve Markus and Clay.

yourfaceisdumb:
So, I think Jennifer made a lot of sense with the "not being given a good opportunity" thing.[/quote]

I actually think that was one of the stupidest excuses ever. She didn't have the opportunity? What was that long ass line staring her in the face then? Show all those kids all the cool baseball shit that all the other kids have but they don't. Get the kids excited enough about all the stuff and hopefully they'll go begging and whining to their parents about how they haaaaaave to get this new bat, mitt, helmet, shoes, etc. But no, Jenthura was just standing there yelling about pretzels ("These bitches are mine!") and hot dogs. Like, that's totally NOT what you're supposed to be selling. Not only did Jen not sell, she sold the wrong damn things.

luvrhino:
That's actually a bit of a shame, because a Rebecca, Marshawn, and Brian team would likely defeat the other team as long as the task wasn't too labor intensive.[/quote]

ITA. That team would be kick-ass. Throw Randal in there and watch the other team get spanked.
Obladi

Among the candidates left, Markus is dead weight and Clay is far too megalomaniacal to become the Apprentice. His comments about Alla? Look in the mirror Clay, look in the mirror.[/quote]

Alla could take the same advice on her comments about Clay. I have to say Clay's voice does him no favors, even when he has some points. He sounds like Andrew from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

That reminds me -

I thought I saw Michael Moore buying a baseball bat. Michael Moore wasn't in town at the time was he?


Hee! I agree with a lot of posters so far that Josh and Jen definitely deserved to go (Josh, mostly for the toolish amount of eye-rolling and sneering he was doing in the BR) but Mark and James shouldn't have been fired with them. If he was going to do a BR massacre, I so would've preferred it to be done to Markus, Clay, Alla, and Felisha. Talk about whiny bitches.[/quote]

Whiny bitches who won. Mark was the reason his team lost the car task. James spent his time with the baseball instead of selling. Clay, Alla, Markus, Felisha, they were focused on what they were supposed to do.


It'll be nice watching Marshawn, Randal, Rebecca, and Brian kick their asses. [/quote]

Rebecca lost as PM and Brian did an adequate job as PM but he had a stronger team. I'm not sure how they will be with the group they have now.
catnip

And the batting cage should have been "three at-bats with purchase" or something like that.[/quote]
I'm not sure that would have been allowable under the rules -- if they did that, they'd effectively be selling something other than just sporting goods.
WinkyDink
So, if a team had picked a department that had sold nothing the day before, and then Team Trump sold one item, they would have won?
Insomniac
It's now fact...size matters. Last week's house was too big for the float. This week's batting cage was too big for the store. Who knew big could be so bad?

The quadruple firing shocked me for a moment and then it ticked me off. There's clearly an agenda and the collateral damage was too big. (See big = bad above.) Double firing for sure. Four of them? Totally unnecessary, unless there are time constraints, which probably explains the booting.
polka dots

Clay, Alla, Markus, Felisha, they were focused on what they were supposed to do. [/quote]

But, god almighty, can they bitch and whine. Watching them work together was highly unpleasant, not because they won but because of the constant bickering and insulting interviews (although, okay, the "Clay is a bitch-woman times one thousand" comment was kind of funny). They pulled it together after their win, but I don't see them working that well together on the next task either. But, the teams will most likely get reshuffled anyway, so it doesn't matter.


Rebecca lost as PM and Brian did an adequate job as PM but he had a stronger team. [/quote]

And yet, I still see way more potential in them than I do in Markus, Clay, and Felisha. Alla, maybe. But, I agree with the poster that said that they could see a Tana-like blowout in her. Or maybe it's just the crazy clothes that scream "I'm a hip older woman!" that make me see the Tana similarity.

While Rebecca lost as PM, she knows how to play this game. After losing and watching her bff Toral go down in flames, she's kept her head low and done what's needed to be done. She can dominate the BR like no one else. She would probably be awesome on Survivor. As long as she's careful and doesn't twist/sprain/break/whatever her ankle.


If ratings gimmicks are wrong, then I don't want to be right. [/quote]

Hi, Maria!

So we had a double firing (shocking!) and a quadruple firing (shocking!). Does this mean we'll eventually have a whole team firing?
RDJisAOK

So, if a team had picked a department that had sold nothing the day before, and then Team Trump sold one item, they would have won?
[/quote]

You know, I am not a business person, and this was the first thought that popped into my mind. I mean, neither team did any strategizing. Think about the numbers, people! As soon as I heard the word "percentage" I was like, pick fucking darts or something! Then every single item you sell is a significant increase in sales!

Also? That was an awesome boardroom. This was the first time all season I felt Trump made an actual business decision. They all suck. You don't want any of them. So stop wasting your time and get rid of all of them! I admired him tonight, for once.

AND one more thing... why the hell does it matter if it was a ratings stunt? Everything that appears on TV is in someway an attempt to get viewers. That's the freaking point of TV. So who cares? If ratings gimmicks are wrong, then I don't want to be right.
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