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auntiemame

Oct 25, 2005 @ 8:51 am

His mouth said, "Oh, absolutely!", but those eyebrows were all, "Whatever, nutbar."[/quote]

Sigh. It's so true. I loved Eyebrows, as I shall now call him, for that look. That, my friends, is how subverting your boss should be done. Quietly and for the benefit of the cameras.

I don't think Bill is actually leaving the Trumpanies, though. There was some talk about how that was a rumor printed by a foreign journalist who misunderstood something. (And we complain about Judy Miller! Look at the damage the foreign press does! They should be stopped!).

pacestick

Oct 25, 2005 @ 10:32 am

It reminded them of the importance of the name and spurred them to include it wherever possible - visually and aurally.[/quote]

This is a good point. I do not think that Jen or Kristi lost this task so much as the boys won it by adding sound. I would have been impressed by that if I was judging. I thought CE's float was better until I heard the sound. I thought the scale could have been explained by the kiddins leaving the house behind and it is shrinking in the distance or some bull-crap like that.

I still thinks it's bull-crap that Marcus would not sweep.

Edited for spelling

LoneHaranguer

Oct 25, 2005 @ 2:03 pm

I feel the mispronunciation of Zathura actually did Capital Edge in more than their inconsistently-scaled float. A presenter who consistently mispronounces the movie title just telegraphs sloppiness in preparation or, even worse, no preparation (i.e. rehearsal) whatsoever. It's even worse when no team members interject to correct the oversight, further rubbing salt in the wound.[/quote]
But, as was pointed out, the team members don't listen, so they may not have noticed or been sure enough of the correct pronunciation to say anything, including beforehand, as it's likely Jen would have mentioned the name during preparations (even if she didn't rehearse her pitch). Of course, some of the team members may have noticed Jen had it wrong and deliberately said nothing, expecting her to be fired if the team lost (as long as they didn't start giggling along with Bill and Carolyn, tipping off their strategy).

agentnojo

Oct 25, 2005 @ 4:29 pm

But, as was pointed out, the team members don't listen, so they may not have noticed or been sure enough of the correct pronunciation to say anything, including beforehand, as it's likely Jen would have mentioned the name during preparations (even if she didn't rehearse her pitch). Of course, some of the team members may have noticed Jen had it wrong and deliberately said nothing, expecting her to be fired if the team lost (as long as they didn't start giggling along with Bill and Carolyn, tipping off their strategy).[/quote]

This does offer an explanation as to why Jennifer never did get the pronunciation right and why no one on her team interjected during her presentation.

However, it's unlikely the judging executives went through this thought process or had that empathy when making their decision. They most likely would have perceived Capital Edge's presentation to be poorly rehearsed (if at all) or think that the team didn't care enough to verify the correct pronunciation.

CheekyCricket

Oct 25, 2005 @ 5:20 pm

This does offer an explanation as to why Jennifer never did get the pronunciation right and why no one on her team interjected during her presentation.

However, it's unlikely the judging executives went through this thought process or had that empathy when making their decision. They most likely would have perceived Capital Edge's presentation to be poorly rehearsed (if at all) or think that the team didn't care enough to verify the correct pronunciation.[/quote]
Well, it was all of a piece, wasn't it? The out-of-scale float, the lack of emphasis on the movie's title, the mispronunciation of the movie's title, the rambling presentation. . . Why nitpick when the team struck out on so many levels?

Personally, I would have loved it if one of Jennthura's "helpers" under the float had shouted out "ZA-THU-RA!!!" It's "ZA-THU-RA," not "ZEN-THU-RA!!!" Alas, that didn't happen . . .

ConanGrammarian

Oct 25, 2005 @ 5:57 pm

There seems to be a trend emerging this season. I'm starting to see a trend in what's being tested this season:

leadership
creativity (in a team setting)
ability to contribute to a team
ability to "play well with others"
ability to listen to a client and develop an idea based upon input from that client
presentation skills (at a street-level AND an executive-level)
project post-mortem analytical skills (at a higher level than just blamestorming)

For the first time since season 1, we're seeing some tasks that test business skills and not just selling skills. So far, they've had fewer tasks that involved selling boxes of M-Azing bars on the street and more that involved presenting a finished idea to client executives.

This task was about creating a mock-up and presenting to a client. It tested client responsiveness, creativity, and presentation skills. Capital Edge blew it by thinking of it as a "float-building" exercise. Trump & Co. were looking at it as a "present a mock-up of this building we're trying to build in downtown Tokyo to a group of executives" task.

The "Emporer of Ice Cream" task tested similar skills and thinking processes.

Capital Edge needs to start looking at the tasks as wax-on, wax-off, car washing skill-test exercises and not as art class projects.

Magsi2

Oct 25, 2005 @ 6:43 pm

I was out and about today and I saw Zathura stuff. All I could think about was ZENTHURA. I'm not sure that was really the kind of publicity they needed. I have absolutely no plans to see the movie, or to purchase any of their stuff, but I kept thinking....it's spelled wrong! (hee hee)

CurryMasala

Oct 25, 2005 @ 7:47 pm

agentnojo

Oct 25, 2005 @ 8:33 pm

Why nitpick when the team struck out on so many levels?[/quote]

Extending that logic, the entire Capital Edge team should have been fired!

But seriously, after 30 previous pages of posts, perhaps any new discussion relevant to the thread would have to be of the "nitpick" variety.

illogic

Oct 25, 2005 @ 10:30 pm

Could "Rubble Man" be considered a (poor) example of nerdcore hip hop?

Hamhock96

Oct 26, 2005 @ 9:00 am

Ironically, this gaffe probably does more to promote the movie than any float ever will.
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Impressive analysis. Unfortunately, every post is pretty much at pains to point out that there's no way they'd patronize either title.

CheekyCricket

Oct 26, 2005 @ 9:44 am

Why nitpick when the team struck out on so many levels?

Extending that logic, the entire Capital Edge team should have been fired!

But seriously, after 30 previous pages of posts, perhaps any new discussion relevant to the thread would have to be of the "nitpick" variety.[/quote][/quote]
Oops, that was meant in reference to Jon Favreau and the Sony Pictures executive, not TWOPers or the previous discussion. Apparently the context wasn't clear. What I meant is that mispronouncing the name was just one of the many errors, and ultimately, it didn't much matter whether they singled out a particular mistake as the worst one.

Now that I think of it, when the Zathura (I almost forgot the correct name and wrote Zenthura!!) executives were giving a feedback to Trump, they said, "We were concerned about the mispronounciation, but maybe it was just nerves." They actually made an excuse for the presentation on behalf of Jen. Maybe that is also why Trump did not think that it was as big a problem, and Kristi was a bigger problem. [/quote]
However, right before that, the Sony exec said that what bothered him was that during the presentation, the name of the movie was mispronounced numerous times. His comment that the error might have been due to nerves seemed more like a social nicety than an indication that he didn't consider that to be an important error. At least that's how I heard it. Favreau and the Sony exec came across to me as relatively polite in their comments about the Capitol Edge float and presentation.

boloreal

Oct 26, 2005 @ 12:02 pm

Jennifer M should have been fired not Kristi. I don't like Jenn M, I don't trust her. Perhaps Kristi is bossy, but what you see it's what you get; her voice rather than her comments are a bit whiny unfortunately... And she is so cute! I'll miss her.
Jenn M? blablabla I am beautiful and irresistible.. blablabla What's wrong with the proportions of her face? She looks like a horse to me.

LoneHaranguer

Oct 26, 2005 @ 3:50 pm

Jennifer M should have been fired not Kristi.[/quote]
Reminds me of a line from Buffy tVS: " There is no 'instead'. Just first and second." It looked to me that, whichever way he decided, he was planning to fire the other next time. He either concluded that the team would be hampered more by Kristi for the next task or two, or he didn't fancy listening to her in the boardroom again (or both), so he had her go first.

BlockedThoughts

Oct 26, 2005 @ 4:56 pm

What was up with the golden rail on the Excel float? I thought it was a space scene, not a railroad depiction. Stairway to Heaven?

Capital Edge's float was awful, looked more like a float for a real estate company.

Funny that they did not show all the help each team must have received. There is no way either team was capable of the technical and paint details of their floats. Interesting that we did not see more of their “hard work” for the 30 hours. Anyone know what company helped them on the floats?

ConanGrammarian

Oct 26, 2005 @ 11:17 pm

What was up with the golden rail on the Excel float? I thought it was a space scene, not a railroad depiction. Stairway to Heaven?[/quote]

The house actually moved on the float. That was what the house rode on in its simulated space journey. I'll bet it's much smaller and less noticable in the real float.

Midnightmom

Oct 27, 2005 @ 3:56 am

So the choice is to either turn down Trump's offer to take an extra team member, and wait for a corporate reshuffle and take their chances on who they get. I think they made the best decision under the circumstances. With the mercurial Trump, they're as likely to be blamed no matter what they do. If they had picked someone other than Randal, Trump probably would have said, "You women passed up a chance to get a Rhodes Scholar? Not smart."[/quote]
It soooooooooo could have gone the other way. Suppose the hair had decided to allow the men's team to pick their LEAST effective member to go over to the other team. Can anyone say MARKUS????? That would probably have made for an even more entertaining boardroom.

AlmondEyes

Oct 27, 2005 @ 4:24 pm

Watching The Perils of Jenthura the other night, I concluded Jennifer feels she's sooooo! pretty! and! sooooo! popular! that she truly couldn't be bothered to give a polished presentation, or even pronounce the sucky movie name correctly. She's a former beauty queen, after all, and probably figured Jon Favreau and the execs would be so awed by her delicate beauty that her team would win the task hands down. It looks like she hadn't even practiced the presentation at all. And then she had the nerve to interview that they nailed the task?! That almost reaches Tana levels of delusion, which? Is pretty sad.

Of all the examples on Apprentice of attempting to coast upon one's perceived beauty, Jenthura has got to be the most blatant example. Which is why I reveled in the sweet sweet schadenfreude of Kappa Capital Edge's defeat. I feel badly for Randal, but DT won't blame him - yet. It's still too soon for him to be tainted with the stench that is Capital Edge, and he won during his PM turn. But he'd better watch out; the Trumpinator can be pretty erratic when he's off the meds, and there are no future ex-wives to scope out.

Oh, and BTW - I've got to give a shout-out to whover coined Jenthura. Fucking brilliant, man.

CheekyCricket

Oct 27, 2005 @ 4:38 pm

But he'd better watch out; the Trumpinator can be pretty erratic when he's off the meds, and there are no future ex-wives to scope out.[/quote]

Har! (I also love The Perils of Jenthura.) I wonder if he thought Jenthura might be that perfect combination of brains and beauty, blah blah, that he's looking for next. If so, after Zen-thura, she's fallen off the list of possibilities . . .

Each time I've watched the CNBC rerun, and it's been more times than I'd like to admit, I automatically cringe as Jenthura begins "We are so excited about what we're about to show you . . ." (or words to that effect). AAAGH!, just lose your voice right now, I think, because in another five seconds, you've become Jennthura for the ages.

Oh, and BTW - I've got to give a shout-out to whover coined Jenthura. Fucking brilliant, man.[/quote]
It was this Loyal Viewer. Kudos to him all around.

Blondie

Oct 31, 2005 @ 1:23 pm

I still kinda like Jenthura, but I also see why Carolyn is not happy with Miss Beauty Queen. While she was PM, she did not pick up on the "branding" aspect that Jon Very! Clearly! Noted!, did a lousy, unprepared presentation AND mispronounced the frickin' Branding Factor, and took herself and half the team away during the most important final prep of the task.

Smooth, prepared presentations; listening and picking up on important aspects of customer needs; time management and being detail oriented....These are critical "skill sets" for almost any executive wannabe. Carolyn is So done with her.

BlockedThoughts

Oct 31, 2005 @ 1:56 pm

ConanGrammarian : I have viewed E5 again and that house is fixed. It is not even linked to the track. I still fail to see the connection to the movie. Railway in space makes no sense.

Capital Edge's float sucked yooge, but Excel's was no prize. There were elements that were impressive, but IMO they had a lot of help. There is no way either team built those houses from scratch. The 3-D robots and spaceships were very well done, beyond even Randal's ability. Perhaps Excel had a better design/construction team?

The best of the two won the day - but I'll choke if the actual float is anything remotely similar, golden railway and all.

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