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deejoy

Oct 21, 2005 @ 12:33 am

Actually I think Wyclef is an excellent musician, and thought it would be a pretty fun reward to participate in [/quote]

Me too. I remember there was a similar reward a couple of seasons ago, where they had to watch the musician compose a song, which is boring in my opinion. They actually got involved with this reward.

I am so glad Kristi is gone. I'm also glad Marshawn told Jennifer to shut the fuck up.

Girl

Oct 21, 2005 @ 12:35 am

I heart Marshawn. That woman has class, integrity, intelligence, and maturity, which no other woman on Capital Edge (except perhaps Rebecca) personifies. I love Marshawn's speech in the beginning when she told oh-so-subtly that she thought the women's backstabbing, cliquish behavior affected team unity. Alla, Felicia, and Kristi all looked like they had swallowed a cat. I also loved her board room manner. I agree that Trump seems to gravitate towards Marshawn and Randall when it comes to making crucial decisions.

As for the firing, I'm inclined to say that Trump should have fired Kristi, though I think he fired her for the wrong reason (mainly, to keep beauty queen Jen around). LOVED Carolyn's peeved expression. Firing Kristi took away the noxious element of the team; in breaking up the Heathers, we have some hope towards achieving team cohesion. Felicia and Alla aren't strong enough to keep their blonde group together now that Mean Girl Numero Uno is gone. (By the way, it was funny how both leapt in defense of their leader when Trump was attacking Kristi...) Also, Jen does have SOME potential. I thought it was great how she stood up to Kristi, and seemed like an efficient manager overall, though man, what an atrocious public speaker. As well, she was the only one last week who tried to put "DQ" on the mascot. What has Kristi done? Whined, complained, and committed the triple X faux pas during their first task.

My favorites to win are Marshawn, Randall, and Rebecca. It's a bit hard to distinguish among the men, but James and Adam are yummy. Josh is like Kristi's male counterpart, though he is, of course, marginally tolerable. Don't know if Markus is as inefficient as they make him appear; maybe it all has something to do with the editing, so am still a bit iffy on him...

So I'll say it once again: STFU Kristi. :)

Oh, I missed Kristi's cab ride interview. What did she say?

netful

Oct 21, 2005 @ 12:37 am

If Excel Corp. are the Beatles, Markus is Ringo.[/quote]
If we're going to invoke the sacred name of The Beatles, can we at least make Markus be Yoko?

Randall is my new boyfriend. When he told Kristie that you must first seek to understand, then, to be understood - I fell totally and hopelessly in love. This guy is takin' it home. I have no doubt about that.

I wanna chime in and say I think the Wyclef Jean reward is certainly one of the best ones yet[/quote]
I second that chime.

Cameltoes

Oct 21, 2005 @ 12:36 am

Personally, I think they both should've been fired[/quote]

Ditto. The faster they pare down the women's team, the better. The men's projects haven't been that great but the women have so little creativity or marketing ability, it's not even a competition. This team needs to be put out to pasture. Kristi was annoying as hell but the personality conflicts just mask the root problem - not enough talent.

The men's rap was the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen on reality tv.

coastcat

Oct 21, 2005 @ 12:43 am

Now that you mention it, my hubby asked me who helped them to make the floats. He said he didn't think that they would be able to create them without some outside help. Mind you, he WAS watching the ladies arguing about something, but I found this to be funny. I'm sure someone had to be available to help them, although it did look like the guys were doing it themselves. I don't remember if it was mentioned that they had assistance or not.[/quote]
The task dossier is now available on the Yahoo site - the teams had prop designers to help build the floats, although the teams were responsible for the design, etc.

PeacefulWoman

Oct 21, 2005 @ 12:55 am

RE: Wyclef's being named after a icon of the Reformation: Someone may have already noted this, but Wyclef's father is a pastor, I think. And I remember reading somewhere he has a strong sprituality.

There are many African-American men named after church figures. Let's not forget Martin Luther King.

Rainmaker

Oct 21, 2005 @ 12:58 am

Or is it that he just likes to have "Miss Universe' smiling mutely at him in his office while he expounds about how 'Money Is Important'?[/quote]
There really was no explanation at why Miss Universe Jennifer Hawkins was in his office. But I don't need one. That woman is the bomb. She oozes sex and has got some great smoky bedroom eyes. If I owned Miss Universe, I'd have Jennifer Hawkins in my office every morning just to bring me coffee and the paper.

I thought Bill's suit jacket looked mighty short when he was first introduced tonight replacing George. And didn't Bill use the "put her on the bench" comment last year as well? I like that he's being more aggressive in the boardroom, but he will never be another George.

Smushergirl

Oct 21, 2005 @ 1:01 am

It's good to know that Trump is running a marketing firm this year. Funny, I always thought he was a real estate mogul. [/quote]

I've always thought that marketing was Trump's major focus. He puts his name on everything, he sells books about how to get rich (a $30 million inheritance helps) despite going bankrupt a couple of times, he's willing to host a reality show, he appears on Days of Our Lives...I think he's all about marketing first, real estate second.

Magsi2

Oct 21, 2005 @ 1:01 am

Thanks coastcat. I can now safely go to sleep and try not to think of all the various possibilities for the next few episodes. Too bad that we all get so darned involved in this show. It's not quite the MUST SEE that it used to be, but I still make a point of watching this and Martha's version. (I know, sad isn't it).

thuganomics85

Oct 21, 2005 @ 1:08 am

Too bad that we all get so darned involved in this show. It's not quite the MUST SEE that it used to be, but I still make a point of watching this and Martha's version. (I know, sad isn't it).[/quote]

Then I'm sad too. I still go out of my way to watch this show. Actually, I think this season is pretty good so far. I'm actually enjoying it more then The Amazing Race: Family Edition. I never thought I would say that I like The Apprentice better then TAR, but there you go.

Hoola

Oct 21, 2005 @ 1:17 am

Gee, Trump seems really good at picking women to be on his show.

I love Marshawn. I think she didn't push a lot of the points she complained about in interviews, i.e. not wanting to go pick up carpet, because they were crunched for time. In a situation like that you really need a strong PM with a vision, and not a lot of gainsaying and questioning. Although Kristi did that, I don't think she should have been fired. This was the type of project that a PM makes or breaks. Jenn messed up in branding and the presentation, and she vetted all of Kristi's design choices.

Batrochides

Oct 21, 2005 @ 1:23 am

Way to go, Jeiffer. You really deserved to get the boot because of your abysmal management skills and inability to pronounce correctly the one damned word that HAD to be spoken as ordered...but, like Melissa and Toral, in Kristi you luckily had someone nearby who was such a poisonous pest that you escaped by default.

*snort*

Tandemonium

Oct 21, 2005 @ 2:09 am

Well now...that was wiggety wiggety wiggety whack. I really feel bad for dude that looks like Jason Schwartzman...he must be cringing at home while watching his "freeeekaaaaay!" clip twice. I have to say that despite that torture, the song's return at the end had me in stitches.

CurryMasala

Oct 21, 2005 @ 2:13 am

This episode reminded me of a recent team project and presentation. The project was about Cheese Nips (a Nabisco brand of cheese crackers) versus Cheez-It (a Kellogg/Keebler brand of cheese crackers). One of my team members kept saying 'Cheez-Its' instead of the actual name 'Cheez-It'. I kept telling her repeatedly that it is Cheez-It and not Cheez-Its, and she just changed the spelling in one slide for the presentation. And she kept saying Cheez-Its which was quite embarrassing because the rest of the team was pronouncing it right, and the spelling in the other members' slides was different. And no, she did not seem to have a 'physical problem'. I fail to understand whether such people do it out of ignorance, or because they are not listening, or just out of arrogance. Anyway, Jen M definitely reminded me of that person. I mean, Jen M did not even read the name that was displayed. In fact, the ad for the movie also displayed the name clearly. How lame is that!

And I too thought that this reward was good. I kind of like hiphop, and I enjoyed listening to the way the team got into the spirit and came up with a song in such a short time period. But I do think that the quality of rewards has been reducing with seasons.

polka dots

Oct 21, 2005 @ 2:16 am

I think it's interesting that the women's team was split during the task almost the same way it was last week - Jen M, Marshawn, Rebecca, Randal and Felisha, Kristi, Alla. Although, why does it take four people to get a red carpet? I suppose Jen M could've taken them with her to help her on the presentation but, as we saw, that obviously didn't work.

FluffyMalone:

I really think it was Randal and Marshawn's opinions that sealed the deal. I can't tell you why, but I think Donald relied on them more than Bill and Carolyn this week. Bill and Carolyn were definitely not in agreement with him.[/quote]

I agree. After Randal and Marshawn gave their opinions, I thought Kristi was definitely going. I love Carolyn to bits and you could tell she looked pissed after Kristi was fired but I'm glad that Trump went with Randal and Marshawn's opinions [and, okay, maybe his dick] since that means he at least respects them. They're in. We've got half of the final four, if not THE final two. I hope.

wishiwasahunter:

the camera focused on James and dragged like, a foot down for Brian. Hee. Poor guy. [/quote]

Brian reminds me of that guy on Sex and the City that Samantha dated who was really short and bought his clothes from the boy's department of Bloomingdales. So every time I see Brian, I giggle a little. Seriously, how tall is he? I don't actually think he's that short, it's just that all the other men are taller.

SchoolofRock:

I could not stop laughing over Jen's "Zanthura"'s, yes, her whole presentation was deliciously awful but every time she Zanthura'ed, I about peed myself laughing. She was so smile-y and peppy and upbeat as she was saying it and so very very very very wrong. [/quote]

It was schadenfreudelicious.

canuck31003:

You'd think after the DQ fiasco last week, they would have understood the concept of branding.[/quote]

Especially since it was Jen who wanted the branding on the DQ task. Not only that, but it was fucking spelled out for them by Jon Favreau.

funnymoney:

And why in Jebus' name did they decide to play that monstrosity over Jenn M's victory walk back to the suite? [/quote]

Carolyn was in charge of the music. Don't piss Carolyn off.

baconrocks:

Zathura? Yeah, saw it the first time when it was called Jumanji. [/quote]Or as Jennifer would call it, "Junamanji" [/quote]

Hee!!

Pj3422:

but she and Boyfriend Bill get bonus points for not blasting a guffaw or two during the "Zanthura" debacle. [/quote]

Seeing them trying to hide their laughter was awesome. But it still doesn't beat the time in season 2 when Carolyn had a total giggle fit while watching the men's team try to choose fabric.

Vermicious Knid

Oct 21, 2005 @ 2:59 am

Was Carolyn going to cater a five course dinner after the boardroom? All she needed was the little mushroom hat.

They both should have been fired but Kristi was like nails on a blackboard. Jen will undoubtedly screw up again and he will have other chances to get rid of her.

cudareef

Oct 21, 2005 @ 3:02 am

What did you think of Kristi's reaction when she got fired?

JuiceBox

Oct 21, 2005 @ 3:47 am

I like that he's being more aggressive in the boardroom, but he will never be another George.[/quote]

True, but who would you rather have sitting beside Trump each week? I would take Bill any day over George. I think Bill is going to gel better with the show overall. The candidates are a couple of generations younger than George and he seems to be a little out of touch from time to time...which can be funny though.

Gee, Trump seems really good at picking women to be on his show.[/quote]

Agreed, beauty over brains may explain why they keep losing. It's likely going to be another male Apprentice.

sbwm

Oct 21, 2005 @ 4:12 am

Krista had to be fired. Her body laguage as she marched into the boardroom I think set her fate right there. It was rude, tense and inappropriate. My nine year old saw her approach and said, "she's so fired."

But the rude kiss off at the end shows Krista had to go. Many upthread have already mentioned this from the "no-handshake," the no " thank you," and the final "shut up."

Off topic- how can I get this Genie Hair? Extensions? Better conditioner? So part of me trapped in the '80s wants a day of this hair. Ask yourself " What would Trump suggest."

cudareef

Oct 21, 2005 @ 4:18 am

What a terrible episode, this seemed so season 2/3. Why? Because of the editing. The first 4 episodes this season were great. The 1st episode focused on Melissa and Markus and it worked, the 2nd on Markus, the 3rd on Rebecca, and the 4th on Toral. This episode wasn't strong with barely focusing on Kristi and not enough justifying in the episode on why she is bad plus the Markus stuff didn't do anything new and was less over the top than in task 2, not good for entertainment value.

Obladi

Oct 21, 2005 @ 4:24 am

Am I the only one who liked the reward?[/quote]

I liked laughing at these poor guys making fools of themselves. They were having a good time, so more power to them. I still think they would have preferred a night of sleep. Some of them looked exhausted. I thought it was funny they never showed Clay in any of the scenes (only one where he helped Wyclef come up with a line), but you could hear his voice or see his shirt several times. Earlier he mentioned the food he wanted. The only time they show him is when they need to make him into an ass. The other guy, Adam, every time he sings (this week 'freeeeakin'), he must keep telling people he has a wonderful voice, but he hasn't shown this so far. He reminds me of the cute girl who used to be the lead singer for the Bangles. You liked her so much you pretended she could sing.

So every time I see Brian, I giggle a little. Seriously, how tall is he? [/quote]

He said he was 5'1''.

stopeslite

Oct 21, 2005 @ 4:39 am

So what? It was still unprofessional and childish. Not to mention just plain bad sportsmanship.[/quote]

I'll give her a little defense, though. Did you hear what Jen said to her right before that? As they were leaving the boardroom, Jen actually said "I'm sorry" to her. The hell? Sorry for what? Sorry for berating you on the whole task? Sorry for slamming her in the full boardroom? Sorry for taking just her in and spending the last half hour demanding that she be fired? That WAS stupid, Jen. I'd be pissed, too. I hate that attitude of "whatever I've done to you, I'll be polite about it so you HAVE to be nice to me. Like me!". There are any number of things she could have said as deecent parting gestures, but "I'm sorry" wasn't one of them.

nubbs

Oct 21, 2005 @ 5:34 am

It's all about juxtaposition. [/quote]

Dare you to make Jennifer say that. Seriously, Zathura? Is not that hard to pronounce. It's not like they called the movie Archaeopteryx or Staphylococcus (though it would be fun if they did).

I think Jennifer was dreadful during the presentation, and her days are numbered. And I agree that she was 9/10ths of the way to crying in the boardroom, which would have sealed her fate. When she was heading to the boardroom, I was thinking 'there are emergency exits at the front, back, and middle of the cabin'.

Still, I'd have to say she's definitely someone I'd date. She looked terrific this episode, and I think she's nice. James is gonna beat me to it though (those two are so falling for each other). When they turned the cameras off I am giving even odds they started making out. Can't say as I blame her though ... wish I was that attractive. They should have had him as the next Bond.

One of the camera guys is a total assman. Last year we got widescreen Erin ass, earlier this year we got a butt shot of Jennifer, and this episode we get a lingering shot of Felisha's pink thong wedged up her butt.

They are really economizing on the rewards. I'd have hated it, because I can't sing or dance, but Brian acquitted himself well. He's able to laugh at himself, and hell he did a backflip! And Wyclef did a pretty good job with some very non-musical people in a short period of time.

Markus has behavioural problems.

The entire episode I thought Randall's face said 'I was enjoying this until now.' Bummer for him.

God, I hate Kristi. What a miserable human being, always bleating, bleating, bleating like a sheep with the colic.

Now that you mention it, my hubby asked me who helped them to make the floats. He said he didn't think that they would be able to create them without some outside help. [/quote]

I smell something rotten about this task and how it was portrayed. Both teams had a lot of help with their floats. Either a lot of it was preassembled or they had assistance that wasn't shown. The whole episode was pretty deceptive in that regard.

Bill Rancic? GO AWAY NOW.

Carolyn? What's the matter?

Midnightmom

Oct 21, 2005 @ 5:44 am

The director/writer/producer guy (I don't remember them making it clear, sorry - also, not my task so I don't have to feel bad for not doing my research HO HO!) was very specific about wanting the name to be prominant and correctly pronounced. [/quote]

We saw him give those directions to the men's group, but not the women's. It only stands to reason that the instructions would have been the same, but.................

Next week-I hope there is a corporate re-shuffle and a mass firing.

comfortablynumb

Oct 21, 2005 @ 5:58 am

madrugada

Oct 21, 2005 @ 6:10 am

zoidbergMD

Oct 21, 2005 @ 6:36 am

%&$&%*"(& Global TV (canadian network that carries the show) and cutting out the taxi aftermath! They've been so good so far this season and just when I saw how pissed off Kristi was thinking this one is gonna be good, cut to the shrunken credits and a promo for Without a Trace.

I think at this point I'm glad Reunion is running in the same timeslot. I can tape the CNBC repeat on Friday without risking not seeing the taxi aftermath.

Times like this I really hate Canadian content laws[/quote]

Get a StarChoice dish, and then you can watch the U.S. networks without the Global/CTV feed being simulcast over them. Global shows promos for the following week's Survivor and Apprentice: Martha, so I don't know why they don't do the same for the original Apprentice.

I don't think they've done it this year, but sometimes NBC has special ads which air near the end of The Apprentice, like the Pepsi commercial with Raj driving the cab in season 2. They aren't shown on Global.

blueguy

Oct 21, 2005 @ 6:47 am

Kristi may have been difficult to handle but she was not the cause of the failure. Jen made so many mistakes in all aspects of the task that she should have been fired. In real life, ineffective leaders get fired.

Carolyn and Bill both said that Kristi was not the reason the team failed. So much for asking for advice! So, why did Trump decide to keep Jen around? I do believe that Trumpy has a thing for former beauty queens. Let's see....there was Ivana, then that hussy Marla, and now Melania. Melania may want to start checking the fine details of her pre-nup!

Culturemaven

Oct 21, 2005 @ 6:49 am

and nosy-ass Josh(?)[/quote]

Oh...yeah. What was up with THAT? Josh didn't just wander over and be like, uh...oops, I'll come back. He purposely went over there to pile onto Markus while he was having his "talk." I really want to like Josh, but between how he treats Markus (which is just reflexively mean) and the whole "bitch" comment about Clay (who...I know, I know, is an asshole too), added to the fact that he hasn't PM'd yet...shut up, dude. Yell at Markus later (not that it would have any effect, I expect that Markus gets yelled at a lot in his regular life, too.).

DreamCrusher

Oct 21, 2005 @ 6:51 am

In real life, ineffective leaders get fired.[/quote]
Really? In my company they get promoted.

I agree with many posters that it was about a 50/50 shot tonight. Both women sucked equally, but IMO Kristi was the more obnoxious of the two.

blueguy

Oct 21, 2005 @ 6:52 am

Really? In my company they get promoted. [/quote]

Sadly, you are correct!

Actually, it is ineffective leaders that deal directly with customers that get fired. I don't think Carolyn would have had any problem dealing with Kristi.

enabled cookie

Oct 21, 2005 @ 7:05 am

I absolutely agree with last night's firing, and was proud of Trump that he hasn't fallen into the "fire the PM of this task" mindset. First of all, Kristi did a horrific job as PM with the XXX Gym idea and was only saved by Melissa's bringing the crazy. Then, when Marshawn did a terrific job as the PM of the Lambourgini task, she bitched needlessly and voted against her exemption. Last week, she was whiny and, as much as I hate Toral, I have to agree that Kristi's screaming her down was completely inappropriate. Jennifer's presentation was terrible (loved Alla's face as she operated the float during the presentation!) but I think she did perform in earnest on the task, which is more than I can say for Kristi. The men's float was better, (especially the audio component of the float) but the women's wasn't a complete failure: I thought it looked pretty good. Wouldn't want to make me see that stupid movie Zathura, but oh well.

I really hope they shake things up next week. I'd like to see Alla, Rebecca, and Marshawn have a chance to shine since I think they got a raw deal being on a team with a bunch of really weak or unstable women.

I think it's funny that in past seasons when the PM only brought one other person into the boardroom (or two people into the boardroom that season when Trump allowed them to bring three in), Trump would ream them out for being stupid and not playing the odds game. I'm glad he's realized just how little sense that makes.

Props to whichever dude came up with "Rubbleman" as a nickname for Brian - that got a huge *BWAH* out of me. That was friggin' hilarious - no doubt it referred to both his head and his height, but I have to admit that Markus resembles Barney Rubble more in his expressions and general countenance.

I'd also like to chime in on how much Wyclef rocks. I'd love to meet and record with him, and given that he was dealing with a bunch of tone-deaf white guys, I think that rap sounded OK - it's still in my head, so it has that working for it. How funny was it when they had Jennifer walking back to the suite with that music playing?

Paradise

Oct 21, 2005 @ 7:09 am

I’m late to the party… but first of… that rap… OH MY GOD. I laughed hysterically through the whole thing. All those white boys together trying to rap like Eminem… too funny. Wyclef Jean was probably thinking in his mind “WTF”!!! For the record, I don’t want to see any of them in a club “freakin”…. *puke*

Back to the firing at hand…. first off capital edge did a horrible job. That float was a total mess. Jen was a mess and Kristi is a straight up bitch! I didn’t care who got fired last night, but I had a feeling it wouldn’t be Jen because she’s a beauty queen and we all know what Trump’s weakness is…..

Kristi with the whole “Just shut up” to Jen at the end was CLASSIC. She didn’t even thank Trump for the opportunity. What a dumb bitch…. Why would burn bridges with Donald Trump????

Can’t wait until next week and Carolyn is in charge. Of course it looks as if something bad happens. I can’t wait!

Cheynem

Oct 21, 2005 @ 7:08 am

Markus was...odd. He was annoying, but he wasn't "typical annoying hail fellow well met let me talk to you for three hours" Markus. He was kind of creepy, although I probably would have been mad too if I was told I was "really good at ordering food." It was like whenever comedians play creepy killer roles; there's an odd sort of disconnect feel to the proceedings.

The rap thing is permanently burned into my head. Markus' "YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS?" caused me probably to wake my neighbors laughing.

Masem

Oct 21, 2005 @ 7:35 am

We saw him give those directions to the men's group, but not the women's. It only stands to reason that the instructions would have been the same, but.................[/quote]

The director did talk about how he at first was confused about the name to the woman's team (appears as if this came at the end of their initial get-together) and that the goal of the float was to make sure the name was there and to get people to recognize the name with the movie, pronounciation being that important.

Personally, ignoring the issue with scales, the lack of branding on that float really did them in; it wasn't the sales pitch, it wasn't the team dynamics; it was the fact that Excel had the name visually and audibly there, but it was mearly present in Bleeding Edge's float. I missed if there was anyone responsible for the creative aspect, but Bleeding Edge could have still added side-panels for the name without problem. In other words, if the design was a team effort, it's the PMs fault for this and that person should have been gone.

charma

Oct 21, 2005 @ 7:45 am

Markus is a tool. We get it. Now Josh and Brian. go take your Pamprin. And remember to stay fresh.

Jennifer M. can't talk to save her life but I'm still glad Kristi's gone. No executive is going to listen to Daisy Duke for long.

Baby Fish Mouth

Oct 21, 2005 @ 7:49 am

Last week it was designing a mascot...this week it's a float. This show has turned into a high school pep club.

Jon Favreau looks like he ate one of the floats. Wow, I can't believe how much weight he's gained since Swingers. He always seems like a nice, funny dude, though.

As much as I hate Kristi and wanted her off the team, I disagreed with last night's firing. That presentation Jen gave was so asinine that she really deserved the boot for it. At this point I think the only woman who has potential is Marshawn.

LadyKenobi

Oct 21, 2005 @ 7:50 am

musichic2000

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:08 am

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Hamhock96

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:16 am

what I've been missing where he is concerned. I truly would like to know.[/quote]

Well, the way that the girls were united in wanting him, there's a clue. He brings the calm and peaceful. Even Kristi felt able to confide in him and to listen to his advice. So, maybe you have to be around him, but it's clear that he's trusted and liked and admired by all the people on the show. Not to mention his handling of the boardroom questions.

Several things tonight that I haven't read comments on: Brian's graceful save during his presentation -- admitting that he flubbed the pronunciation at first and using that mistake as a lead-in to describing the float -- wonderful -- then, his soaring dive into "look at me, Jon Favreau, I like movies, too, and I'm a nice guy" blah blah blah.

When Bill asked about Jennifer, the visible efforts of Alla and Kristi to be positive about her absence; no complaining about her to Bill. That was good. I thought that Kristi was "professional" more than once tonight. She was amazingly quiet and calm at first in the board room. But her bad behavior at the end was, well, someone said it upthread, unsportsmanlike. I particularly dislike her remark that Jen was "phony." Jen tried to behave graciously; I think she honestly was sorry, because she was relieved for her own sake. Why not be gracious? I doubt that Kristi would have been gracious; she would have smirked in a superior fashion and marched past poor Jen. Guess that makes her less of a phony.

How about that hug that Jen gave to Kristi at the close of the presentation? She looked to be about twice Kristi's size. How about Kristi and Jen on the mutual "intimidation" train? Shades of Melissa and Toral.

Swingers was many years ago. The man has aged. And gotten thicker in the middle.

aunthelen

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:18 am

blocked writer

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:21 am

I was cringing at the way Jen kept referring to the other women as "my helpers" throughout the presentation, which made them sound like my one-year-old nephew who squeals over getting to slam the dishwasher closed after my sister is finished loading it. Try "my teammates" or "my colleagues," you patronizing hairpoof. [/quote]

I noticed that, too. It certainly was a patronizing comment, but I'm not really sure she meant it that way. Jennifer did everything wrong except break out in flop sweat. She was babbling so much, I don't even think she realized what term she was using, or how it sounded. She did that a lot. If she had given her words careful consideration, she certainly wouldn't have said they "amputated" the boy's legs. Actually, I don't know why she was mentioning that at all. It only pointed out how much the scale was out of whack. I'm surprised, as others have mentioned, that Jennifer competed in a number of pageants, yet remains such an ineffective public speaker. Maybe she can pull it together for those short question and answer sessions, but I see no evidence of that. She wasn't good at presenting Zip last week, and she should have known better than to present this week. Marshawn, Randal, or even Felisha would have been a better choice.

And what was up with Jennifer's "helpers" crawling on the floor to get under the float? That looked very unprofessional to me. If they needed to be under the float as part of the presentation, I think they should have gotten under there before the presentation started. As it was, the whole thing looked very awkward. I missed what they were actually doing down there. Did they move parts of the float?

Oh well, the whole thing was a trainwreck.

bahamarita

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:21 am

Unpopular opinion: OK, I feel bad for Markus. I know he's been a pain in the ass, and that he talks too much, and that he stands around suffering from cranial-rectal inversion A LOT, but honestly, I'm not so sure how willing I'd be to help if all the guys on my team micro-managed every single aspect of every thing I did. They all marginalize Markus to the point that they can't even give him a slight opportunity to do something important. If I was told time and time again that I sucked, and was cut off every time I opened my mouth, not ever being allowed to voice an opinion, yeah, I'd stand around, too, flipping them all an imaginary bird while I did.

The whole, "you're good at ordering food" thing was beyond insulting. Obviously, Markus must bring SOMETHING to the table or why else would he be there? Because he's a loose cannon? That only plays for so long. On the other hand, Chris from last season managed to stick around for a long time, so I'm not sure.

OR, maybe I'm feeling bad for Markus because I haven't had much sleep lately. Ya never know.

Also? Jen's hair? Totally is competing with THE HAIR for worst ever. I mean, this ain't the prom, honey. Oh, and her wearing capris/gauchos to the boardroom? THE HELL??? I'd have fired her on sight just for that. I mean, WHO does that???

All in all a lame episode. Zenthura. Uh-uh. Is Jen illiterate???

blocked writer

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:37 am

Unpopular opinion: OK, I feel bad for Markus. I know he's been a pain in the ass, and that he talks too much, and that he stands around suffering from cranial-rectal inversion A LOT, but honestly, I'm not so sure how willing I'd be to help if all the guys on my team micro-managed every single aspect of every thing I did. They all marginalize Markus to the point that they can't even give him a slight opportunity to do something important. [/quote]

But someone did ask him to do some painting - Brian? So they did give him the opportunity to do something constructive. I did think the "good at ordering food" comment was uncalled for, but Markus shouldn't have been standing around looking clueless. Furthermore, when Brian called him on it, he seemed genuinely caught off guard, like he was surprised to be asked to DO SOMETHING. I don't doubt that some of the guys have mentally dubbed Markus as the team screw-up, but if he's going to stand around being a waste of space while his team members are working like beavers, then he is marginalizing himself.

Wacoshade

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:39 am

We saw him give those directions to the men's group, but not the women's. It only stands to reason that the instructions would have been the same, but.................[/quote] I thought about this also when he was talking to the two groups. At their meeting, Brian flubbed the title and Favreau teased him about it yet followed up on how important that was to them. Then what happened? Brian made sure that was one of the things you got out of the float. When he talked to the women, there wasn't a flub, but Favreau did make a point of saying that the name was important because he himself misprounced it before he landed the movie and he felt it almost cost him the movie. He made a point of it with the women, but I don't think there was the kind of reinforcement that we saw with Brian.

Josh needs a metric ton of Shut the Fuck Up, and a side of You Useless Dickwad. He's the type of person who thinks he's witty, insightful, and direct, when in reality he's cloying, predictable, and toolish. When the PM is bitching someone out, it isn't necessary for you to stick your geek head all up in the business.[/quote] Hah! I don't totally disagree on that, but I think that Josh has had a particularly personal disdain of Markus since the start, even more than the rest of the team. So when Markus is acting toolish, Josh may be one to pop off more severely than the others.

I kind of like Josh, but I don't care for the more personal temper tantrums like last night. I'm on the fence with him overall. But still, I like him more than not. I mean, hey, Clay's "bitch coat" from last week? ha. I've added that to my personal vocabulary.

And that reward? OMGWTF! Poor Adam will never lose his virginity if his dates ever get wind of that.

llsquared

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:40 am

Josh: "When Jon Favreau told Brian to shut up during the presentation, he was basically saying what everyone on the team was thinking as we watched Brian speak, 'cause Brian was just talking too much. It was like Markus had injected him with Markus Fluid or something."
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Oh coast cat-that was my favorite moment of the episode. I called my sister who is also a yooge fan just to ask her if she had any Marcus Fluid (juice?) handy. Ha.

Also-when the women picked Randall I turned to my husband and said "that is the smartest thing they will do this entire episode."

And I love when Bill turned to Jen to ask why if Kristi was such a problem, Jen didn't bench her. I laughed so hard at that-and then had to explain it to my husband.

Obladi

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:43 am

Hah! I don't totally disagree on that, but I think that Josh has had a particularly personal disdain of Markus since the start, even more than the rest of the team. So when Markus is acting toolish, Josh may be one to pop off more severely than the others.[/quote]

He seems to complain every time he speaks about another player. He complained about Brian, Clay and Markus. He even hesitated before he gave Randal an exemption. He blasts Markus for being lazy, and yet when Clay worked hard and had ideas, Clay was a bitch and Hitler. Nothing ever pleases Josh. The only reason he was brave enough to confront Markus was because he had Brian there to take most of the heat - if they lost he would have blamed Brian for not controlling Markus.

I have been waiting and waiting for this genius to be PM. He always has all kinds of suggestions, but never any guts to back them up. Just another backseat bellyacher who keeps kicking the seat.

ladolce

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:49 am

Anyone know anything about Gainesville, GA, where Kristi is from. [/quote]

I went there for a few days for a crew regatta in college, and it was a bit overwhelming. I'm from NYC, and had never really been in the South besides Florida (Disney doesn't count) and NC where my NY-born cousins live. It seemed like every car was a truck, and every truck had a Dixie flag in the window. We also saw a few Dixie flags flying outside of houses. Now, I know some people think of that flag as a cultural symbol rather than a racist one, so I respect that it's too much of a generalization to say "Everyone in that town must be a racist redneck." The people we came into contact with were nothing but nice and hospitable, so that's the other side. It just definitely threw me and my teammates for a loop.

Is that where Kristi is from? I didn't get a racist vibe off her at all, throughout the entire season in general or in this episode in particular. I don't know if she's a stereotype of other Southern women from Gainsville, but I think she, herself, is just a pushy, stubborn woman.

bahamarita

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:51 am

But someone did ask him to do some painting - Brian? So they did give him the opportunity to do something constructive.[/quote]

Yeah, but wasn't Markus all "the who and the what now?" kind of confused when they asked him to paint? Kind of like they told him not to paint and then were pissed that he wasn't painting? Then, when he didn't hop to it, they were all, oh, go get Chinese food. Or, am I remembering this wrong?

I have to wonder if they set Markus up. You know, by saying, "Hey, Markus, we're all good, why don't you do (something marginal)." Then, he finishes his marginal task and is hanging around waiting for some more direction, and they get all cranky about that. I can see him not wanting to jump in and help out on an unassigned task, because he's done that in the past and he's gotten lots of grief for it.

**not sure why I'm taking up for Markus today...could be I feel like he needs a fan after that whole "reward".

ETA: I do have to like Markus somewhat just because he's able to laugh with his teammates, even after he was treated like crap. He even seems to enjoy being with them. That takes a big spirit, IMHO.

ghettofabman

Oct 21, 2005 @ 8:50 am

Obladi, I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of Josh. One thing that I find strange is the fact that even though Mark was eight kinds of terrible, Josh never had the guts to complain about him at all, he kept railing on Markus. Last night, he actually gets the guts to say something to Markus.....yet he is the one who needs another person beside him to make his points and move on. Even though I can't remember what he said verbatim, Markus nailed it with his assessment of Josh.

I have to wonder if they set Markus up. You know, by saying, "Hey, Markus, we're all good, why don't you do (something marginal)." Then, he finishes his marginal task and is hanging around waiting for some more direction, and they get all cranky about that. I can see him not wanting to jump in and help out on an unassigned task, because he's done that in the past and he's gotten lots of grief for it. [/quote]

That is an interesting theory, bahamarita. I didn't see that much direction being given to him after Brian told the team his concept. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Markus ask what Brian what he needed him to do?

**not sure why I'm taking up for Markus today...could be I feel like he needs a fan after that whole "reward". [/quote]

Heh. He needs to be hired to take Fatman Scoop's place from now on!

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