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LLalltheway
Poor Randal. Stuck with a bunch (by majority, not a sweep) of clueless harpies, and he misses Wyclef Jean.

Can the men call Red Rover and get him back?
luvrhino
First, there was way too little Rebecca in this episode. Maybe she had an off-week, but I can't imagine that she didn't fire off some bon mots towards Kristi and Jennifer during her bitchterviews. I only Rebecca cameratalk I remember was the early "What happens in the boardroom, we leave in the boardroom" comment. Sigh.

I thought His Royal Hairness was going to fire both of them. Jennifer was practically crying and failed on all aspects on the task. Kristi just sucks and has no self-awareness. There's no way either of them will become The Apprentice.

My friends argued that HRH wouldn't want to do that because it'd make the season one week shorter (or cause them to bring only 3 to the interview round like last season). However, I figured that HRH would get around that by install Miss Universe in their place. She's just sitting around Trump's office as a seatwarmer, so she may as well be put to better use. Moreover, Miss Universe has to be more competent than at least 3 or 4 of the remaining candidates.
RhondaGC


Zathura? Yeah, saw it the first time when it was called Jumanji.[/quote]
That's exactly what I was thinking soon as I saw the trailer. "Whoa, way to steal Jumanji."[/quote]
Actually, I think I've heard the book was by the author who wrote Jumanji. So it's kinda like a sequel, but not really. But, yeah, I agree it's a gimmick that's already been done. That said, my kids really want to see it, so I suppose there will be an audience regardless.
ETA: Oops. FluffyMalone beat me to it!
BibiBella

That was a tough BR call. It was either keep someone who actually might have decent ideas and be competent most of the time but is a shrill harpy and detrimental to team unity, or keep someone everyone likes but is a terrible manager (despite what she said about herself) and can't even bother to learn the proper pronunciation of the movie they are promoting.[/quote]

I think Trump knows that Kristi can't win it -- she's too disruptive, a poor leader/manager, etc. and while Jen won't make it either, at least the team might be able to work together productively with Miss Bully Kristi gone. Kristi might have some good ideas but whatever good they are is completely obliterated by her bullying, bossy, negative, disruptive ways.

And to top it all off, Kristi showed what a poor sport she is by not even shaking Trump's hand when she left - and then telling Jen to 'shut up'. Real professional, that one.
DeVryGuy
Still watching...

I honestly dont know who is going to lose, I think the men did better, but I thought their presentation kind of sucked. But then the Women (and Randal) managed to do WORSE.

If bother TA and TA: Martha do a firing foreshadowing this week and don't follow through I'm going to feel used.
growsonwalls
Just wanted to add, I really like it how this year the two voices of reason are Marshawn and Randal -- no "angry black man" or "Omarosa" type-casting that I find so offensive on many reality shows.
Anyone feel like Carolyn sometimes feels like Trump's ex-girlfriend or something? Not romantically, but like she feels less and less influential in his decisions, and she knows it. Thus the sullen, angry, even hurt look after tonight's episode.
Juliebijoux


Zathura? Yeah, saw it the first time when it was called Jumanji.[/quote]

That's exactly what I was thinking soon as I saw the trailer. "Whoa, way to steal Jumanji."[/quote]

I noticed Brian in his presentation said something like "when I was young I loved Benjami" (or something like that). Did anyone else hear that or was I just hallucinating.

Also, where was Adam? At first I thought that Adam was the PM. Short guy, dark hair. Seriously, as someone mentioned upthread, I have never seen Brian on this show before.
CooperAnn
The "She's unmanageable and hard to work with" argument is getting soooo old, even if it is true. Puh-leez - what else 'ya got? I'd never make that my defense because it just begs the response, "So?"
anwen
The thing is, has Kristi done anything that offsets her obnoxiousness? I remember thinking that the Donald was being the Doofus in the first episode when he said their gym-thingy was a "total failure," because the totals were so close, but I also wondered if the PM planning the work-out was the best use of her time. I mean, she got rid Psycho!Melissa, but that was really a team effort.

Not that I think Jen M is brilliant (I'd rank her above Felicia on credit for understanding branding), but I can't think of too much that Kristi has particularly contributed, which makes it easier for me to overlook the fact that the presentation was what lost the task--although I think that concept was shaky, too, and not too well-thought out.
CurryMasala
I am no Kristi fan, but I seriously felt that Jen M had screwed up this time. I have mixed feelings about this episode. Jen M wasted a lot of time in going shopping when she should have focused on putting up signs for the name, which was very important. Moreover, she did so badly in the presentation, and its so embarrassing that she mispronounced the name of the movie. Kristi is brash and outspoken, but she worked very hard for this task. The float was the problem but so was the name / marketing / banner, and Jen M had a say in the float.

But then again, when Randal says that there is something wrong with the team, I cannot disagree with him. Maybe team dynamic is more important than time management at this stage. It may be that the team is so desperate for a win or sick of losing that any negativity is enough to turn the members off and wish the negative source removed. Given that, Jen M is definitely easier to work with than Kristi, and hence Kristi's departure may work in the team's favor.

I cannot help but think that maybe Marshawn may have commented against Jen M in the boardroom which may have been cut to justify Trump's decision to fire Kristi. Although this season's candidates may have better backgrounds than last season's, they are still not very good at marketing. Last season, candidates really focused on research in almost every episode which helped them win. Somehow this season's candidates do not have the 'spark'.

Moreover, I wish the process involved in making every decision in the project was shown. How do we know Kristi came up with the float? Did she come up with the entire design? And how was work distributed among the guys? Did they all just start working on making planets, or was some process involved in the idea? It would be interesting to know these things - at least then we would see less of Trump where he says 'Hold all my calls, I am going to Sony', and 'Money is important because...'. I mean, are we that stupid that he needs to tell us why money is important? Is that a pearl of wisdom that he is handing us? And did he not schedule the meeting with Sony, that he had to ask his secretary to hold all calls? I am sick of his acting as if we should hang onto his every word, lest we lose out on knowledge enlightenment. Maybe he loves the sound of his voice so much that he needs to exercise his vocal cords as often as he can.
alynn

Who was the midget running Xcel and how come i never saw him before? [/quote]

He's been standing behind Randal.

What? Somebody had to say it.

Speaking of Randal, say hello to the winner. I nearly pulled a Rebecca dodging the anvil when they had that shot of Bill sitting behind Randal in the initial Zenthura meeting.

Poor little hoppy Rebecca!

Wyclef's turning into a little reality-whore: Seems like he was the reward on America's Next Top Model back in season 1 or 2.
JuiceBox
Did anyone else notice that Carloyn was looking extra hot this week? Either she looks better in blue...or...maybe, Bill as an accessory is much more appealing than George.

Either way, she looked good...and younger too.
n00b
Jenn was incompetent in the job, and just as incompetent in the boardroom. "Sometimes I get a little tongue-time," said before Carolyn made her start to cry. Trump wants a little "tongue time" with her too and that's the only reason she's still around. Too bad Carolyn wasn't in charge this week. Trump's a douche.
YoureSoUrban

Just wanted to add, I really like it how this year the two voices of reason are Marshawn and Randal -- no "angry black man" or "Omarosa" type-casting that I find so offensive on many reality shows.[/quote]

Isn't it amazing?? You can't pay to get a rise out of them -- no sputtered ebonics, no neck rollin', no fingers snappin'. Just articulate, poised, non-partisan observations in the king's english.
RhondaGC

Grammy award winner Wyclef Jean [/quote]
OK, I readily admit that I am not up on hip hop music, so I totally had never heard of this guy before tonight. But I'm mightily amused by the idea of a rapper named after one of the Protestant church's major reformers. It's all about juxtaposition.
Klawzie
lauriecake asked:

Was I the only one who was disappointed when they said "Trump's trip is cut short"?[/quote]

Oh, no - I was all, "SQUEEEEeeeeee-----wait... oh. Well, The Donald had BETTER be more entertaining angry than Carolyn would have been."

Some other points:
1) I would have been just as happy if Trump had fired the both of them, just as long as Kristi was gone. Like I said in Kristi's thread, I'd rather a Barbie than a bitch.

2) I'm getting my Apprentice shows confused. My mom was cleaning up the kitchen and missed most of the episode, so I tried to explain it to her. I started going in on, "And you'd think they'd have learned about branding and making sure the name was prominant from last wee- ... wait... Was that last week this show or last week the other show??"
RachelMargaux

One of my favorite funny moments this ep, courtesy of editors:

Josh: What is he, a prima donna?
Cut to Markus, slowly running his fingers through his hair [/quote]

TOTALLY! And that's when the reality hit me: Trump dreams of having Marcus-hair.

If Trump could buy a scalp, Marcus would be the chosen one.

In the days of lords and manors, Marcus the schmoo would be out shearing his sheep. From afar, atop his hunting steed, Trump would see him and weep. Later, Lord DT would have his henchman scalp Marcus, just for spite. What the lord can't have, no one will have, dammit!

Which is hilarious because on the show Marcus easily wins the hair nasty prize. (Exepting Lord DT, of course.)
Pj3422
Two horrifying, but utterly hilarious moments:
The rap song (dull surprise)
Jen's mentioning the kid's leg being amputated. What has to be going through her mind to think that story belongs in a professional presentation?

Carolyn really needs her split ends trimmed, plus a bottle of good conditioner, but she and Boyfriend Bill get bonus points for not blasting a guffaw or two during the "Zanthura" debacle.
ghettofabman

Carolyn really needs her split ends trimmed, plus a bottle of good conditioner, but she and Boyfriend Bill get bonus points for not blasting a guffaw or two during the "Zanthura" debacle. [/quote]

Heh, maybe she can borrow Markus's Herbal Essence Shampoo...or maybe his Pantene Pro-V.
blocked writer
What the hell is wrong with Markus? He pulls himself together one week, then he's back to being flaky the next week. With all that work to do, why would he just stand around and do nothing? He should have realized how much that stood out like a sore thumb. I did like that Brian talked to him about it, and nosy-ass Josh(?) should have stayed out of it. Markus has shown that he is mostly useless, unless someone is hovering over him. Well, he's had his chance. I give him the same chances that Jennifer has.

Poor Brian was almost as bad as Jennifer was in the presentation. Fortunately, they had the superior float, so his babbling didn't hurt the team.
ajesquire
Ouch. Jon Favreau was bigger than either of the floats.
tiggeril

Oh, no - I was all, "SQUEEEEeeeeee-----wait... oh. Well, The Donald had BETTER be more entertaining angry than Carolyn would have been."[/quote]
Word.


1) I would have been just as happy if Trump had fired the both of them, just as long as Kristi was gone. Like I said in Kristi's thread, I'd rather a Barbie than a bitch.[/quote]
Aaaaaaand more word, with a little word sprinkled on top.


Just wanted to add, I really like it how this year the two voices of reason are Marshawn and Randal -- no "angry black man" or "Omarosa" type-casting that I find so offensive on many reality shows.[/quote]
God, I know. A clue must have finally bitten Burnett (oh, sorry, Trump) this season.


What the hell is wrong with Markus? He pulls himself together one week, then he's back to being flaky the next week. With all that work to do, why would he just stand around and do nothing? [/quote]
Well, they've been marginalizing him for the past four weeks. I guess he's gone into a pout about that, plus the loss of his drinking buddy Toral.
fictionista

I cannot help but think that maybe Marshawn may have commented against Jen M in the boardroom which may have been cut to justify Trump's decision to fire Kristi.[/quote]

I had forgotten about that! I got that impression too, especially after Marshawn's curt, "Let me finish, please!" It seemed like Jen cut her off when she was about to say "However, Jen...". I guess we'll never know.


Ouch. Jon Favreau was bigger than either of the floats. [/quote]

I know. I was all "That is not the Ultimate Fighting Champion."
yruneh

That reward though... ugh. Am I the only one who never heard of the musician? I didn't think I was THAT out of it[/quote]
Wyclef Jean used to be in the Fugees with multiple Grammy winner (and New Jersey's own) Lauryn Hill.

Marshawn is one of my favorites right now. She's not afraid to speak up about anyone on either side of a dispute, even if that keeps her from getting into a clique. But she brings up mistakes in logical fashion rather than being gossipy. Plus, she doesn't sabotage the tasks with conflicts.


Exactly. As much as I love and admire Carolyn, she tends to take each Boardroom on a task-by-task basis, whereas I think it should be cumulative.[/quote]
My point exactly. If the show is really about finding the best apprentice, I think evaluations should be cumulative. Otherwise someone who's consistently the second or third crappiest slides by while a much stronger player (not that I think Jen M. is that great) can be jettisoned for one task.

Edited because I made Wyclef into Wyclean.
muchsarcasm
I now realize what that reward scene reminded me of: When the Cosby family hung out with Stevie Wonder for an episode.

"Jam it on one! Ja-jam it on the one!"
Obladi

Markus hangs in there again as the blondes now begin to turn on each other. THAT was pretty predictable.[/quote]

Her harpies stuck to her side as expected. Jen M had never been on her side.

Felisha and Alla are always overdressed and underbrained. What is with all the big hair this season. I think all that White Rain clogs up Capital Edge's brain cells.
Kvon
Besides Jumanji and Zathras, Van Allsburg also wrote the Polar Express, the Tom Hanks rotoscoped movie. He does have some beautiful books out there.
Funnyuntil
Further up the thread, there's a mention about Zathura being a rip-off of Jumanji. Chris Van Allsburg is the author of both books.
tiggeril

Otherwise someone who's consistently the second or third crappiest slides by while a much stronger player (not that I think Jen M. is that great) can be jettisoned for one task.[/quote]
Which is exactly how Pamela got fucked in TA2.
gjj
See, this is why the Martha show is more watchable in my book. I cannot stand Kristi, but Jen M should have been fired. Martha doesn't have the whole popularity contest vibe going on. With Trump, he's using that tried and true business model:
The Peter (meter) Principle.

I don't know if you remember My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss, but when Jen M kept mispronouncing Zathura, my son turns to me and says, "Fascinating". Those familiar with the show will see the similarities between Jen M and Whitney.

Zathura is written by the same guy who wrote Jumanji. I read it to a group of third graders and they thought it was cool, but essentially jumanji in outerspace. Of course they knew what the lead characters would have to do. They thought it was a rip off. I'm thinking - this guy hit on a formula that he can milk forever. What's next? A game that takes me back to prehistoric times?
JellyBellys
All that I can hear is a nasal voice running through my head screeching "Ladies, if you see us in the club: Freakin'" over and over again and OH MY GOD MAKE IT STOP PLEASE PLEASE.



Now, I'm a straight female, but Jen is kind of insanely pretty. Like, not completely human pretty. And I'm amazed at her ability to make her hair behave so well. My hair is about her length, and is an untamable bitch.

I'm really sick of the women losing. And Josh needs to climb over Brian-sitting-on-Randal's-shoulders and get over himself. Seriously. I used to actually find him amusing, too. *sigh*
missy jo
Rapid collapse of the bloven. I thought they were BFF and it turns out they hate each other.

I'm a stickler for pronunciation. I would have booted Jen M. for "Zenthura" alone. Favreau should have busted on her big-time after the presentation and when he announced the winner. Unforgivable! Unless you're a beauty queen apparently.

I agree with the other posters that Brian is wee, to the point that it was distracting when he was on-screen. A few of the Excel guys are micro-men, in fact. I remember Favreau as being on the short side, and he just towered over them.

I thought the rap song segment was one of the few rewards that was fun to watch. I liked seeing the guys totally dork out. They were fully committed to that rap!


Trumping"? No. No. No! I'll be conjugating "to trump" in my nightmares[/quote]

OK, I can't believe no one's said this yet: The word "trump" is British slang for fart. Seriously. My English ex-husband giggled at any mention of "Trump" and it wasn't because of The Hair.
DannyVegas

Ouch. Jon Favreau was bigger than either of the floats. [/quote]

When you have a couple of hits like Swingers and Zamorpha (?), and have been on a hit TV show like friends...you get to eat like a pig and beef up.
tone
Did Trump explain way George's absense? I don't recall him saying a thing about him. Did I miss that part?

Global's feed in Ontario never shows previews, so maybe someone can answer this for me? Is The Donald gone for this whole show, making it Carolyn's baby for the week? If so, did they show NotCarolyn?
LahLah
What was up with the lil PM and his power stripper/gymnastic moves during the jam session with WhyClef? Surreal.
rsenor

Jen M. confuses me. She does some things that I like. I loved her smack down of Kristi when she took her aside. She also does some damn stupid things like not being able to pronounce the name of the movie she's presenting. Like I said, she confuses me.[/quote]

I think Jen is very, very easily shaken and unfortunately Kristi knew just what buttons to push. I also think Jen is used to getting her way with a wink and a smile and a hair flip, and again, when that doesn't work, her world crumbles. (whoever said My Little Pony Hair- WORD!).
tiggeril

Global's feed in Ontario never shows previews, so maybe someone can answer this for me? Is The Donald gone for this whole show, making it Carolyn's baby for the week? If so, did they show NotCarolyn?
[/quote]
The gist of it was that Donny's away on a business trip and Carolyn's in charge but one of the team fucks up so spectacularly he comes back early and starts ripping new assholes all over the place during the Boardroom. I don't think there was a NotCarolyn. It's just Bill and Carolyn.
auntiemame
Just because it needs to be said: "Zathura"? Just as stupid, if not stupider, than "Blizzamarole."
PinkyTuscadero

Which is exactly how Pamela got fucked in TA2. [/quote]

Pamela lost both times she PM'd., both times for decisions that were hers and her alone, both times being considered a poor manager by two different teams. People weren't threatened by her, they just didn't like her management style. Which sucked and was very "my way or the highway." Harvard or no Harvard, Pamela was not an effective leader. If Jen M PMs twice and sucks it both times she should get fired, too, no matter how smart she might be or where she went to school. It comes down to leadership ability. None of these women, except for Marshawn, can lead a team.
deaja

Who was the midget running Xcel and how come i never saw him before?[/quote]

You never looked down far enough? (Okay, dumb cheap shot, I know)

I too thought there might be a double firing tonight. I like Jen, but I wouldn't think it was unfair.

Poor Randal. Do I need to elaborate? ;)
rsenor

I really think it was Randal and Marshawn's opinions that sealed the deal. I can't tell you why, but I think Donald relied on them more than Bill and Carolyn this week. Bill and Carolyn were definitely not in agreement with him.[/quote]

I think they've designed this season to end up with an Apprentice of color...Randall and Marshawn are easily the two most competent players on the show so far. So...maybe they're just setting things up for that.
DannyVegas

Did Trump explain way George's absense? I don't recall him saying a thing about him.[/quote]

Ya, something about him being too old for the show and having to check himself into a retirement home...probably a retirement home he owns.

I think Bill is going to be his replacement for most of this season and someone said their filming season 5 now and Bill was also there too. Wonder who else were going to see in grandpa's absence?
yadayada
auntiemame:

But Trump destroyed the entire effect with his stupid Duh-tastic Lesson of the Week. "You can do a lot of things, but in business, it's all about money." And here I've been getting paid in beads and wampum. [/quote]

BWAAAAHH!!!

I did not get the whole "pronounce my damn movie right" bullshit. If pronunciation and enunciation are all it takes for me to get a job, why the fuck hasn't Steve Jobs, Donald Trump, Martha Stewart, Bill Gates, and countless others fallen to their knees and begged to employ me.

My TV was a little on the fritz tonight and the sound was a little off, glad to hear that I wasn't the only one that thought the song was horrid. On the same note, what exactly did Jen M say in the end that got Kristi fired (I would watch the Yahoo boardroom footage unfortunately can't cause I own a Mac)? Can someone please fill me in. Please? Pretty please?

It's nice to know that DT is fair when it comes to being a lusting blowhard. He doesn't mind if the pretty girl is a brunette (Rebecca) or a blonde (Jen M), just as long as she is pretty.

Edited to ask: Does anyone else think it is telling of past Apprentice seasons that the only winner to be brought back as a judge in future seasons is the winner of season 1?
fvrcp

Exactly. As much as I love and admire Carolyn, she tends to take each Boardroom on a task-by-task basis, whereas I think it should be cumulative.

[/quote]
My point exactly. If the show is really about finding the best apprentice, I think evaluations should be cumulative. Otherwise someone who's consistently the second or third crappiest slides by while a much stronger player (not that I think Jen M. is that great) can be jettisoned for one task.[/quote]

Word! is it or is it not an interview?

As for Kristi vs. Jenn...it really doesn't matter..once the Donald smacks down an apprentince..you just know they don't have a chance in hell of actually becoming "the apprentice". He kept Barbie (ummm I meant Jen) because she's ...well..Barbie
DannyVegas

Did anyone else notice that Carloyn was looking extra hot this week? Either she looks better in blue...or...maybe, Bill as an accessory is much more appealing than George.[/quote]

Definately...I also noticed the matching outfits Bill and Carolyn were wearing during the challenge. She looked younger too...maybe that's the Bill factor.
Swell Baby
muchsarcasm said

I now realize what that reward scene reminded me of: When the Cosby family hung out with Stevie Wonder for an episode.

"Jam it on one! Ja-jam it on the one!"  [/quote]

Bwah! This made my thread.
tiggeril

Pamela lost both times she PM'd., both times for decisions that were hers and her alone, both times being considered a poor manager by two different teams. [/quote]
The problem I saw was that the second team she dealt with was the original Coven. She was able to turn that trainwreck of a team around enough to only lose by $10 in the task. She was a tough leader, and that meant she got on the wrong side of the likes of Maria and the Gremlin. She got screwed because she was outnumbered, not because she was bad.

Now, I would have been ok with Jen going because she blew the task, but it would be a shortsighted decision. Long term, Kristi was the GremlinStacy of TA4.


Edited to ask: Does anyone else think it is telling of past Apprentice seasons that the only winner to be brought back as a judge in future seasons is the winner of season 1?
[/quote]
I think this was filming while TA3 was airing, so Kendra wouldn't have been hired yet. Maybe Burnett and Trump realized that no one really gave a damn about Kelly and so they're not inflicting him on us? Or he's just too busy selling Trump Ice out of the basement.
Parmenio

That was the most pathetic, useless, whoring of a client I've ever seen. I can only imagine that that reward was a quid pro quo trade of some sort. Since when has Wyclef Jean become some B-list hack who'd allow himself to be pimped like that.

Is he a Sony artist? He has to be. That's the only thing that makes sense. [/quote]

In a strange stroke of TiFaux synergy I just watched the Cycle 1 ANTM when the hamsters go to dinner with Wyclef Jean. Even I know who he and the Fugees are, and I've never deliberately listened to his music - and all I could think when I heard the reward was, he's pissing away his (considerable) credibility. Unless he's counting on people whose opinion he values never watching reality TV ...

And much as I like Carolyn, she looked way better with the Season 1/2 bob. Long hair on women out of their 20s irks me. It suddenly becomes aging, and all I see is Jane Seymour, defying nature in her sixth decade.
viva v
Anyway, best quote of the night? Trump, to the li'l project manager: "I'm a little impressed." Hee!

What's the li'l guy's name? Adam? Brian? The Apprentice site doesn't list the men's height, so I can't tell <sigh>.
JellyBellys

Did anyone else notice that Carloyn was looking extra hot this week? Either she looks better in blue...or...maybe, Bill as an accessory is much more appealing than George.[/quote]

I kind of find the idea of Carolyn and Bill together hot.

*JellyBellys apologizes for all the retinas that have exploded and all the brains that need a good bleaching after this comment.*
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