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luvrhino

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:12 pm

I was nervous about this task, because by far my biggest stock holding is in Berkshire Hathaway, of which International Dairy Queen, Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary. Fortunately, I suspect they won't go bankrupt due to the appearance on the show. Whew.

Toral, the other team setup the cheese tray[1], not the unqualified secretaries and administrative assistants from your team. You're wrong, again. Admit it, bitch. At least, by not wearing the costume, she didn't embarass herself on the show. Not at all. Hee.

Trump's House of Wings was the best thing he's ever done. Even better than ripping Tana to shreds last season.

I do like that Robin seems to be branching out with her lines and gestures this season. No, I don't think it's creepy that I noticed, why do you ask?

[1] Cheese trays? The hell? Both in why Toral used that phrase, which I think is obvious, and why Excel opened with the presentation of cheese and grapes. I guess carrying the tray gave Markus something to do other than talk, but sheesh...

charma

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:13 pm

Toral puts on the costume. They still would have lost. So The Donald is back to popularity decisions and I swear Nancy Grace, I mean Kristi makes my blood boil.

Jurj

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:14 pm

I wasn't totally buying Miss Alli's love for Rebecca in the recap this week. I just thought Rebecca was almost as nuts as Toral for thinking she was so damn great. But the fact that Rebecca could come right back and admit it (albeit with a bit of dramatic pause first) and say that yes, Toral should be fired, won me over.

So I'm rooting for Rebecca all-out now, right after Marshawn. Intensity is fun, but actually being calm and able to speak in coherent, short and clear sentences, on a reality show, just astounds me.

muchsarcasm

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:14 pm

What kind of branding doesn't have the brand on it? Because it looks like ice cream we're supposed that giant-eyed monstrosity with the Egon Spengler proton pack is from Dairy Queen? It's not Breyer's or Carvel or Uncle Creamy? And that thing looked like Izzy, that horrible Olympics mascot. Yeesh.

Personally I were Toral I would've put on the costume if only because there's no way you can be blamed for losing the task that week. And that boardroom was horrendous, she wasn't the fault for the failure but the "agida factor" was so bad she simply had to be fired. Also I have to respect Marshawn and Rebecca who, while trying to point out the failure in design, did admit that Toral is constant hinderance to the team.

blueguy

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:13 pm

May Toral never be hired by a Fortune 200 company. Ever.[/quote]

Ahem - Fortune 1000!

Foe someone who prided herself on judgment she sure didn't show any tonight!

I disagree with the other posters who said that Toral wasn't the reason they lost. Toral was an intergral part of the loss becasue she refused to be a part of the team. When one team member doesn't pull their own weight then the whole team suffers.

Oh, and Toral, I wouldn't hire you to clean my bathroom. Your destructive, self-centered attitude would kill the morale in any business.

Pj3422

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:14 pm

Toral expounded on how her family would be embarrassed if she appeared in a mascot outfit. I'm sorry, my family would have been more embarrassed if I did not give 110%+ to any endeavor that I signed up for.[/quote]

For someone so consumed with appearances and her level in her profession, she doesn't seem to realize that the cameras are capturing her negativity and snobbishness. Everyone from her dry cleaner to future employers are seeing this side of her. So, any guesses that she'll cry "bad editing"?

For some reason the Dairy Queen mascot the women picked out looked like Izzy, the Atlanta Olympic mascot.
izzy[/quote]

Darn it, CryMeASea, you beat me to it!

And -- Marshawn? Is AWESOME.

Quiddler

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:15 pm

Ok, so...did Trumpy promise the ladies he'd give them $1,000 every time they used the phrase "step up to the plate"? Because ... damn. I lost count after ... oh ... about 15 or so. <heh>

And Toral, honey? I'm getting drunk tonight in honor of your firing. C'mon, everybody, drinks are on me! [clink!] hee! Margaritas, anyone?

ETA:

I wasn't totally buying Miss Alli's love for Rebecca in the recap this week.[/quote]'Cept...Jacob recaps The Apprentice these days....

lauriecake

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:15 pm

It was obvious the blondes rail-roaded Toral into a position where she would be fired, but Toral shot herself in the foot when she wouldn't shut up. Also, Toral got my nerves the last two weeks so I personally am happy with the firing.

Still, the blondes are the new Friendship; I don't like any of them. Marshawn seems to be the one to beat out of the women, and I find myself liking Rebecca more than last week. I like how she had enough dignity to admit that she was wrong about Toral in the boardroom.

splendor grass

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:16 pm

I thought it was pretty funny at the beginning when Trump was at his ice cream shop and told everybody how it serves "literally thousands" of people a year - wow, thousands? What is that, like 10, 15 people a day? Damn Trump, no wonder you're a billionaire! Those yokels from Dairy Queen were just green with envy!

Lily Bart

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:16 pm

I wasn't totally buying Miss Alli's love for Rebecca in the recap this week.[/quote]

Jacob is the recapper.

Swell Baby

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:15 pm

Glad to see I'm not the only one sitting at home who said, "I think they stole that from the Atlanta Olympics! And people hated it then!"

GreenBean227

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:17 pm

Screw ER, I have to see Toral's demise again! Gone to watch my tape, will be back later with comments.

triggerhappyjack

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:18 pm

Why would you even want her as the mascot?[/quote]

Because that costume was completely degrading and they could have all had a good laugh at Toral's expense? I mean, not that I don't enjoy a good laugh at Toral's expense, but that was seriously the only reason they wanted her to do it. They knew either she would do it, and they could mock her for it, or she wouldn't, and they could have her fired. I hate Toral, but I hate The Plastics very nearly as much. That entire scene where they were trying to force the costume on her was so high school, I was embarassed for all of them, with the exception of Rebecca and Marshawn. And I really want to like Alla and Jen M., but they need to seperate from Felicia and Kristi, because those two seem to think that "apprentice" means "most popular", especially Kristi, who needs to shut up immediately and forever.

TiffanyNichelle

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:18 pm

Toral's problem (besides being stuck up and full of herself) is that she doesn't know how to argue for herself. She starts attacking, yelling, and stumbling over her words. She doesn't know how to make a convincing argument. Instead of answering one question calmly, she goes on the defense and starts a whole rambling rant. If she was as smart and clever as she says she is, she could have gotten Felicia fired.

blueguy

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:18 pm

I knew the women were goners the second they didn't want any DQ branding on their character. Because...um...hello? It's a MASCOT. Morons.[/quote]

Exactly! I thought that too. And, when they went into the boardroom I knew from where Toral sat that she was gone. The preview for this week showed Trump firing the person to his left and that was dear Toral.

lostcawz

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:19 pm

Toral, bitching about how stupid jingles and mascots are is pretty fucking oblivious when that is the damned task!

I'd have more hate for Felicia, Kristi and Alla if it weren't so obvious that Toral made sure they knew she felt she was way above them. If you poke a tiger to the point of pissing it off, I don't have much sympathy when the tiger bites your tiny little head off. Bitch!

Kristi goes from cracking me up to pissing me off. And I think she looks better without makeup. For what that's worth.

Felicia put herself in a bad position by pushing Toral to put on the costume, and could have been fired for a pretty blatent manuver that had little business thinking behind it. But when Toral does nothing for weeks on end, I have no problem firing her over the 'goat of the week'.

Jen M and Marshawn are my favs on the ladies side. Rebecca actually put herself up in Trump's eyes, imo.

The guys are doing great and have done a very good job of putting personal feelings behind them. Now, this could change when they lose a task, but for now I'm even ok with Markus (so long as he doesn't talk for more than 5 seconds at a time). And Clay, while having a huge chip on his shoulder, is decent enough that I don't want to kill him.

anacara

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:18 pm

Okay, Kristi can be annoying, but she was totally right about Toral and her bull crap.

Toral may not have been the reason the team lost the task (the heck is up with not putting DQ anywhere on the stupid thing, and what exactly was Zip anyway? Because there's original and then there's Zip), but by her actions? She was begging to be fired. She walked right into the Kristis' trap, so I can't feel sorry for her. What did she say towards the end when she was talking to Rebecca (is it only me that wants her to wear a headband or a pin or anything to pull back her hair? Just me? All righty then...)? Something about being glad they lost? Moron. It's your team. And your loss as well. What a self-important idiot.

Good bye, Toral. Maybe your religion will help you realize what an asinine mess you were on this show (how offensive was it that she tried to use that as an excuse for not getting into the costume?).

peppermintduvet

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:19 pm

I hope all those ladies know they are so fired as Toral's administrative assistants.

Lambchop

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:19 pm

Wowee! Both teams came up with stupid ideas. What was Zip (Sheesh!) supposed to be anyway? Some bee that flew in from Three Mile Island?

And the men..."Let's make the new character a woman with big boobs!!!"

Thanks, men. How long did it take you to think that up? About ten seconds, I'm betting.

Kristi was right about one thing. Toral owed her non-bee-costume-wearing-butt to Rebecca. She so should have volunteered to be the PM.

She was lame -- and then tries to cop out by blaming it on her religion. What religion worships bees?

jth213

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:20 pm

Oh, good Christ. If I ever hear the phrase "Step. Up. To. The. Plate." again I swear I will pass kittens. Through my eurethra.

And Toral? Sweetie? That odor you smell? Is in fact YOUR shit. Yes, it stinks.

pastoralia

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:20 pm

You know your ideas suck when you lose to what is quite possibly the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life. That genie was like knee-surgery with sprinkly eyes.

welcomematt

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:21 pm

I didn't really care who was fired; I just had a shiver of pleasure when I realized that by the show's end, Kristi would have stopped talking.

tone

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:22 pm

stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up AHHHHH IT'S LIKE CHINESE WATER TORTURE!!! stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up stepped up[/quote]Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink! Drink!

Well Toral has surely guaranteed herself a spot in the come-back-to-screw-over-one-of-the-final-two final task.

ETA: The Kristi twang was really making my ears bleed tonight. It seemed especially harsh.

blueguy

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:22 pm

Well Toral has surely guaranteed herself a spot in the come-back-to-screw-over-one-of-the-final-two final task. [/quote]

Oh man. I think you're right!

YoureSoUrban

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:22 pm

I suspect female executives from Dairy Queen wouldn't have received the buxom genie so well. When the men first started brainstorming it I just rolled my female-mktg-exec eyes.
(edited for spellin', oops)

dreamy

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:23 pm

Toral! Toral!Toral![/quote]

This cracked me up.

I loved it when she went on and on about not wearing the costume (losing 'honor' or whatever excuse she gave) and then Trump slapped her down by saying "I wore a chicken costume on SNL, did you see that?". Priceless. [/quote]

BibiBella, you reminded me of when Toral was talking to camera saying that if Trump asked Carolyn to get into a mascot outfit, she’d tell him to take a hike. I was SOO hoping that would come up in the BR.

But the fact that Rebecca could come right back and admit it (albeit with a bit of dramatic pause first) and say that yes, Toral should be fired, won me over.[/quote] Even if it’s ‘manipulative,’ God, it’s smart. The Uniblonders/Kristins are pretty weak. Toral was bigger competition AND she represented a situation where Trump and the Viceroys called R’s judgment into question.

Well Toral has surely guaranteed herself a spot in the come-back-to-screw-over-one-of-the-final-two final task.[/quote] Oh, tone, must-see TV, indeed.

ghettofabman

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:23 pm

I agree with everyone who said that Toral's firing was a deserved one. She had absolutely no defenses when it came to stating her case in the boardroom. However, I do feel that she kinda knew that the blonde coven were out for her head, so that is the reason why she didn't step up. At the same time, the Donald and everyone else was right in the fact that she should have stepped up in order to prove herself as worthy as her credentials state.

Clay was very annoying tonight. I am surprised no one said anything to his face. I can't believe he shot the guys down like that not long before the actual presentation. Moreover, I can't believe that they punked out and GAVE him an exemption!! He damn sure didn't deserve it!!!

I am forever scarred by Mark in that Genie outfit. Ack! Although, when I saw him, the only thing I kept thinking of was that Christina Aguilera song.

I'm a genie with a boner, baby! Come, come, come on and let me out.[/quote]

Pseudodragon

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:24 pm

Toral was a horible, horrible person. That said, I don't think she should have been fired. Dead weight is bad and all, but she didn't actively hurt the team with crappy ideas.

Felicia was far more to blame for the loss. She should have been fired and Toral traded over to the guys for a couple of the guys to remove the excuse for losing.

The guys also didn't deserve the win. Their mascot idea was a just a girl in a white wig and a DQ belt buckle! Dude does deserve a lot of credit for wearing the dress. Watching them work on the song was fun though.

Madhoo

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:24 pm

josieb spot on! Toral might not have been the reason for the loss, but if I were anyone on the team (including Rebecca) all I would be looking from her is for extra effort - this is especially in the light of her own fucking admission that she was not giving it her all.

Everyone else is beneath her "stature"? What a condescending fucking bitch! One B-grade bollywood movie that was a super-flop in which you played a sidey role doesn't count as stardom, bitch!

I am also a Hindu from India and honestly, considering we have a god with an elephant's head and another shaped like a boar (Varaha), I don't get her "relegious" problems with being a mascot.

IAmGladys

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:25 pm

I am perilously close, this season, to saying "Shut up, show." Thank god for Marshawn, Randal, and a couple of the other males. Clay, Markus, and The Blond Hive-Mind need to get off my television. (After tonight, I'm on the fence about Rebecca--at least she admitted she was wrong.)

And yet, all my loathing for them together could not begin to compare with the resounding THWAP! of the bitchslap I'd like to give Toral. I don't think I've ever encountered a reality-show character whose departure from my TV I've anticipated more. (And I'm including TAR's Jonathan, AppMart's Hateful Jim, and Omarosa in this estimation.)

My loathing for Toral is not even diminished by the fact that she had almost nothing to do with why they lost the task. I was just glad to see her go, fair or otherwise.

eta that when I read this?jth213

If I ever hear the phrase "Step. Up. To. The. Plate." again I swear I will pass kittens. Through my eurethra.[/quote] I made the snorty-noise so loud that it woke the cat.

thuganomics85

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:26 pm

Well, that was fun.

Toral vs. Coven II: A win-win situation. Toral was stuck-up and deserved to be fired. She lied in the boardroom (she never mention of religious thing at all), and if she didn't, she might have had a chance. But those blondes are evil. They didn't have to spend all that time trying to make Toral get in that mascot suite. They just wanted to humilate her, and that's low. And I hated that Trump didn't even come down on them in the boardroom. They got off to easy, in my opinion. I'm hoping that they lose again, and have to turn on each other.

Shut up, Clay. You know that you suck when I actually start feeling sorry for Markus.

What the fuck was Capital Edge's mascot suppose to be? At least Excel's looked somewhat like a genie.

I don't like Rebecca, but she probably will make it to the F2. And it would probably be against Randal. The women with a broken foot vs. the man whose grandma just died. Symphaty points for everyone!

Bard Guy

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:26 pm

Maybe I am missing something, but how is it embarrassing to wear a costume that totally disguises the person inside? If Toral's face had been showing, then maybe I could have cut her some slack.

Trump was unusually astute at picking up on Toral's backtracking and obfuscation as she tried to massage her answers in the boardroom.

msrayrudd

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:25 pm

See part of the difference between Toral and Rebecca. Rebecca gives good boardroom, Toral doesn't.

Toral might have been okay if:

1) She wasn't already on thin ice with Trump last week.

2) Had taken any sort of position of authority this week.

3) Didn't have her damn nose in the air in the boardroom by claiming to be "above"the costume essentially insulting Trump right off the bat.

4) Didn't spout a bunch of half truth nonsense. We know Trump hate liars and she bent the truth more than once.

5) Rebecca hadn't turned on her.

Don't get me wrong. Felicia got off way too easy and Kristi needs to STFU. Still like Marshawn. I liked the way she was the only one to step up in the presentation when they didn't have an answer and liked the way she admitted Jen M. wanted the DQ logo on the character. Also at least appreciated Jen M. realizing they needed the logo and admitting Toral didn't lose the task for them, but her beauty queen schtick is tiring.

blueguy

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:27 pm

Dead weight is bad and all, but she didn't actively hurt the team with crappy ideas.[/quote]

But she didn't really offer any brilliant ones either. Nor did she offer any critical feedback that could have helped. She could have agreed with Jen M. that they needed a logo on the costume, but she didn't even do that.

Invernessie

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:26 pm

love marshawn's jackets. need to get me some...

SchoolofRock

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:26 pm

If you poke a tiger to the point of pissing it off, I don't have much sympathy when the tiger bites your tiny little head off. Bitch![/quote]

Word. Regardless of whatever is wrong with the Blondes (and there's a lot), Toral absolutely brought everything she got tonight on herself, as the result of her superior and condescending attitude. She was a total bitch to the other women, and I have zero sympathy for her.

Clay was very annoying tonight. I am surprised no one said anything to his face. I can't believe he shot the guys down like that not long before the actual presentation. Moreover, I can't believe that they punked out and GAVE him an exemption!! He damn sure didn't deserve it!!![/quote]

I think the exemption is the result of TD switching the phrasing of the question from "Raise your hand if you think X deserves the exemption" which is how it was with Randal and Markus to this week's "Raise your hand if you don't think that Clay deserves the exemption". Kinds of puts the first person to raise their hand in an awkward postion. I would bet that if he stuck to the original phrasing, no one would have raised their hand to give Clay one. He was a real dick to his team and I think they won despite him, not because of him.

truecrystal

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:27 pm

Because that costume was completely degrading and they could have all had a good laugh at Toral's expense? I mean, not that I don't enjoy a good laugh at Toral's expense, but that was seriously the only reason they wanted her to do it. They knew either she would do it, and they could mock her for it, or she wouldn't, and they could have her fired. I hate Toral, but I hate The Plastics very nearly as much.[/quote]

I absolutely agree. Honestly, none of these women are impressing me at all, and I agreed with Toral when she was saying that they all seem to think in terms of event planning more than marketing--and high school event planning at that. Their ideas are simplistic and unoriginal and overall pretty pathetic.

None of them have shown any initiative in doing something to help them win the task, regardless of how it might affect their social standing in the group. That's why the guys are kicking their asses. The women want to fit in more than they want to win, and they don't realize that fitting in only matters to the extent that you don't increase your chances of getting kicked off. Which, if you're in the boardroom every damn week, is pretty damn likely.

lostcawz

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:27 pm

I think the way Trump phrased the possible exemption, "Does anyone not want to give Clay and exemption" helped him get the exemption. It was challenging them to vote against someone. And I don't think he phrased it that way previously. At least I didn't notice if he did.

DeepInTheHeart

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:28 pm

I felt sorry for Toral because that coven is so hateful, but I didn't understand why she didn't just say that she volunteered to be project manager and the team voted her down.[/quote]I don't think it happened this way. Even Rebecca was disappointed in Toral's not taking command. Toral's attitude was, "Well, I'll do this if no one else wants it," and, lo and behold, Felisha stuck up her hand.

If the so-called "coven" is hateful, it's only because they have reason to be. Toral: (1) should have said, "Ok, I'm PM for this one" (especially when Trump called her out at the very beginning); (2) when Felisha called her on the phone about being in the costume, the only appropriate response is "Absolutely, I'm there, 100% for the team." Her disdain knows no limits.

Can you even imagine Toral being in charge of an operation? I'm just sorry we didn't get to see her trying to lead. Leadership (i.e., inspiring others to follow) takes compassion. She wouldn't know the word if it dropped on her.

I have no words, at least none that I'm willing to put in a post on TWoP, to express my disgust for Toral.

Meanwhile: Rebecca continues to be "interesting," Marshawn shows up pretty well, and Jenn M. is better than she looks. Clay can be removed whenever.

Koomaster

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:30 pm

Rather disappointing. I'm tired of this railroading bullshit from the largest clique within a team. It was so obvious they were ganging up and setting Toral up for a fall. Even Carolyn noticed the division amongst the team.

Even worse is that Toral wasn't the fact they lost the task. Demographic and Branding BOTH failed and there is no excuse for that. Toral wearing or not wearing the costume had no effect on their loss.

The problem is that Toral just did not know how to handle herself in the boardroom, and that's where she lost her shit and started pointing a million fingers and making up a thousand excuses. All she needed to say is...

"It came down to Demographic, and Marketing - that is where we failed. These issues were brought up, but felicia shot the concerns down."

I've been watching the show from the very first season, and if Trump is one thing, he is fickled. If you can get him to start asking someone else questions about their performance, he'll take the bait.

All of this isn't to say that Toral overall didn't deserve to go. Her attitude and excuses were deplorable. Although I must agree with her on the mascott issue - no one WANTS to do it. But question, since the other girls were at the costumer, why couldn't one of them just done it, and after she refused, why bring it up again later. Get your shit together and have someone else do it - move on. The whole girl's team in this episode was pretty much just disgusting.

blueguy

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:29 pm

We know Trump hate liars and she bent the truth more than once.[/quote]

So true - but The Donald does have a tendancy to bend the truth himself. I think he would appreciate that quality in someone else.

But, I'm so glad Toral is gone.

catrina

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:30 pm

I think Toral thought she was being too clever by half. By sitting back the first 6 weeks and not doing anything, she thought she could somehow avoid all notice, and then magically after the herd is culled a bit she could emerge as the "smart" one.

The problem with this strategy is that Apprentice is still a team-building exercise more than an individual game. It *is* a popularity contest to some extent and that's not necessarrily a bad thing. A popular person is usually one that others get along with and often will command respect. I think people sometimes confuse high school popularity with the kind of "popular with those in their 20s and 30s" which is usually based on a little more mature judgement. I'm not saying that everyone who is popular with others will make good choices or suceed in business, but in a team-setting like Apprentice its not a bad indicator of how well someone is going to work with others.

On Apprentice you can feud with one person on your team, but not the *whole* team.

I don't know what I think about Toral's choice not to wear the costume. I think she was doomed from the moment she decided not to push for PM. Who knows what would have happened if she had been PM, maybe they wouldn't have followed her anyway, but I think her fate was sealed the minute she decided to hang back. So here was her choice, look foolish on national television by wearing a silly costume (which still wouldn't have saved her in the boardroom) or not wear it, and likely go home anyway. I think Toral's idea was that she'd rather go home and save her "dignity" than look silly on national TV. But she had no sense of how she would appear anyway with editing plus the statements she made.

I happen to think she *may* be smarter than the others...but she's also not as smart as she thinks she is.

growsonwalls

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:30 pm

Even though I realize Toral wasn't the reason they lost the task, boy am I glad that her Bitchface is gone from my TV screen. What a fugly snot-face. And Toral? "Stepping up" is not whining about wearing a mascot.

LaCaterina

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:31 pm

It is almost physically painful to watch people like Toral justify themselves so strenuously and make a mantra out of praising their perceived attributes. What an amazing level of self delusion she must possess to think that she would emerge from this experience in anything but a negative light. It’s funny to see women who buy into their own hype in light of obviously affirmative action accomplishments. Female, Hindi speaking Wharton grads aren’t a dime a dozen and sure do make nice window dressing when tapping Indian capital markets.

Madhoo

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:31 pm

Toral might or might not have been the reason for this loss - leaving that aside, if I were her teammate and she told me that she has not been giving it her all in all the tasks so far, believe you me, I would be really, really pissed! I really cannot fault the Uniblonders for being pissed with her after she admitted she has been lazy.

CaptainSnarky

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:33 pm

And the men..."Let's make the new character a woman with big boobs!!!"

Thanks, men. How long did it take you to think that up? About ten seconds, I'm betting.[/quote]

Exactly. I was afraid that their [laaaaame] ripoff of Jeannie was going to swerve into the Vulgar Lane and take the off ramp towards Raunchyville. The only reason I continue watching is because when the menfolk start to implode, hoo boy, is that gonna be some gooooood television! And they can start with Clay Gayken.* That little fucker pissed me the fuck off tonight. He totally did not have to be the uberbitch he was--and he wasn't a factor in the team's win. Had they lost, he would have totally been fired. Actually, the only dude on the team who doesn't give me a serious case of "SHUT UP!" is Randal.

Ah, the Uniblondes. Wow. Granted, Toral!Toral!Toral! was five clicks left of Fucking Insaneville, but that gang...um, that pile-on in the Boardroom was just brutal! I love Marshawn. She is playing this game like a real professional. She's poised, articulate, not screechy (again, not screechy, Uniblondes!), has a win under her belt (suck on that, Kristi!), and, in the Boardroom, doesn't go all Norman Bates on people. I like Rebecca, as well. Frankly, I'd like a Rebecca/Marshawn/Randal team, but people getting along and being professional doesn't make for good ratings.

Back to Toral, what, exactly, is her religion? She couldn't have actually bothered to have been specific about her "religious" objections? As you've all pointed out, had she just had the decency to not-passive-aggressively "step up" to be PM (seriously, what kind of speech was that??), she'd probably still be around. Or maybe not; hell, I don't care. She's gone, and I'm happy.

*-When I call Clay "Clay Gayken, it is not a homophobic slam/slur...I've just been watching too much Kathy Griffin: My Life on the D-List...

NotTheBox

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:34 pm

Toral was a horible, horrible person. That said, I don't think she should have been fired. Dead weight is bad and all, but she didn't actively hurt the team with crappy ideas.

Felicia was far more to blame for the loss. She should have been fired and Toral traded over to the guys for a couple of the guys to remove the excuse for losing.[/quote]

I can live with Toral being fired even though she wasn't responsible. She hasn't been responsible for anything good yet. Once someone demonstrates that they consider themselves above actually working, why not fire them? Felicia will get to screw up later but in the meantime at least she tries to do something.

thuganomics85

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:34 pm

So true - but The Donald does have a tendancy to bend the truth himself. I think he would appreciate that quality in someone else.[/quote]

He did it tonight. He claimed that he wore a chicken suit on SNL, but I don't remember him doing it. He wore a golden suit, but it was the rest of cast that wore the chicken suits. Trump's a liar! Then again, he did do that goofy dance, so I can cut him some slack, I guess.

Fire Starter

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:35 pm

For someone so consumed with appearances and her level in her profession, she doesn't seem to realize that the cameras are capturing her negativity and snobbishness. Everyone from her dry cleaner to future employers are seeing this side of her. So, any guesses that she'll cry "bad editing"?[/quote]

I agree, PJ3422. I cannot see Toral being employable in the future. What company would want to be associated with someone so openly despicable? "Oh, Mr. So and So, this is Toral; she'll be handling this account. Oh dear, I see you've brought an administrative assistant with you..."

Talk about bad branding...she's clueless about the most basic skill of reality tv: how to market your own damn self.

blueguy

Oct 13, 2005 @ 9:35 pm

Dawm from TA:MS and Toral should team up and form a company. Of course, who would actually work?

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