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quaintirene

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:15 pm

So having finally watched this week's episode, now that Yom Kippur is over, I came here to write a diatribe about Toral's treatment at the hands of the coven. (I am thrilled to see her go, but that was disgraceful what went on there!) But then I started to think. This has happened before on The Apprentice and will happen again. Almost every season one female Apprentice will be victimized by the rest or a large proportion thereof. Why is this?

I respectfully submit that it's because the men and women on the show are cast differently. The guys are cast for mainly cute and businesslike. The women are cast for almost total beauty and drama. Occasionally a woman might pull off an anomolous win, but in general they are doomed. The unusual ones will get snarfed by the coven. The coven then self-destructs. If there are two archetypes being cast, I think it's Heather for the women and Archie for the guys. Archie has to win over Heather! He's only lost once.

I'm beginning to really hate this show. I'd like to see a woman win who is the kind of woman one meets in business every day: calm, collected, businesslike, professional. The sort that might get insulted if the prize she's offered was a choice of the Miss Universe Pageant or tarting up Trumpie's latest home. Still, you cast Barbies and they win Barbie prizes.

Bleah.

mechitar

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:18 pm

One thing I'll say for Toral: she is freaking gorgeous. Easily the most attractive woman on four seasons of TA (and TAM), by my lights. If she hadn't been so hideous as a person I would have been happy to keep seeing her on my television until the end of the season.

As long as I'm being superficial, I have to say that Rebecca is nice to look at too. And she's pretty capable so hopefully she'll be around for a while yet.

ETA: Turns out my post here is related to the observation Quaintirene just made, which by the way is dead-on.

blackwing

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:19 pm

Blizzard Blister? Huh? That's what she said? I couldn't figure it out. I thought she said "Blizzard Blitzer", which also doesn't make much sense, but at least sounds better than "blister".

Is it just me, or is James kind of cute? [/quote]No comment as to the alleged cuteness, but I think the guy needs a shower and a haircut. The shaggy hair looks really greasy.

Obleek

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:22 pm

I think that there is no sympathy for Toral on the boards, but she had a point about how inept the rest of the team was.[/quote]

Sympathy? My ass. I looked at her site, and - sure enough, there will be a book forthcoming as well as the shilling herself for speaking engagements. Famewhore much? Ick.

Pointing out others' ineptitude would work better it you had any "ept" whatsoever.

Maybe that giant silver spoon stuck up her ass ebbs that "ept" flow.

RevLovejoy

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:25 pm

Sympathy? My ass. I looked at her site, and - sure enough, there will be a book forthcoming as well as the shilling herself for speaking engagements. Famewhore much? Ick. [/quote]

The site is beyond words.....

luckily, they have a "Contact" section. Need I say more?

Here's what I sent:

You are the most unbelievably delusional person I have ever seen. I am forever happy that you will not be polluting my TV in the weeks ahead with your obnoxious, elitist self. [/quote]

I can only imagine the hate mail that will follow...

hengist

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:27 pm

To me, there's a big difference between:

1. Voluntarily choosing to wear a stupid costume in public (which I've happily done).
2. Being ordered by your boss to wear a stupid costume in public (which I've unhappily done).
3. Being harangued by a pack of harpies into wearing a stupid costume in public as an obvious act of contempt and derision.

So I'm almost sympathetic.

However, if Toral had 10% of the brains she thinks she has, she would have known she was on thin ice this time around, and would have: a) insisted on being PM in no uncertain terms, and failing that would have: b) accepted the costume assignment with a big smile and a dash of grace.

Of course, the costume wouldn't have fit over her swelled head, anyway.

So she sucks and she deserved to get booted.

On the other hand, she wasn't why they lost the task. They lost the task because of a childish mascot design, because they failed to target the audience, because they failed to brand the mascot, and because their presentation sucked rocks. And whose fault was that? Felicia, Felicia, Felicia, Felicia.

So she sucks and she deserved to be booted.

So I'm 1/2 happy. Now Felicia needs to go.

Madhoo

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:28 pm

I can only imagine the hate mail that will follow...[/quote]

but RevLovejoy, her "administrative assistants" are probably going to be the ones reading the mail since we know reading mail is so beaneath her "stature" and everything...

PopCultDiva

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:29 pm

While I agree with the statements that Marshawn has not really blown socks off, in fairness, we can only go by what we are shown. Need I remind you of the silent weeks of blond Jennifer M. .

I think she is of the Kendra/blond Jennifer M., who both made a point of not doing anything so dumb that their PM would drag them into the board room. Kendra could have blown it a few times had she let her rocky relationship with Craig get the better of her but she didn't. Jennifer just has some magic voodoo going on because in her final task, she didn't really seem to have it together as previously thought. Yet, I could see a Krusti or Felisha crumbling like cookies before DT when they no longer have easy targets beside them. And something tells me that Marshawn will give good boardroom (*lawyer, lawyer, lawyer*).

The only time DT really wants you to be a super star - to (dare I say it) step up, and knock it out of the park - is in the final task when you need to have a plan, execute well and manage a bunch of people who wish they were were you are. Prior to that, just watch, learn and stay out of trouble.

JTMacc99

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:32 pm

I respectfully submit that it's because the men and women on the show are cast differently. The guys are cast for mainly cute and businesslike. [/quote]I'm going to respectfully disagree right back at you. The men suck too.

Once we cut the crap with men versus women, I'm sure that we will suddenly notice the gross incompetency of the men. If the history of this show has taught us anything, it is that men forgive each other (thus giving the illusion of businesslike) and the women never forgive and never forget (thus giving us drama.) I'm sure it won't be long before we discover that Mark can't negotiate a deal, James can't spell, Clay doesn't understand buy low and sell high, and we discover that the men are plenty dumb.

kittybidee

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:33 pm

How in the world does Toral get away with describing herself on her web site as the "top choice" of Donald Trump (and of Branson), from among millions of applicants? Wouldn't "top choice" be the person who was actually hired from among the millions of applicants?

So glad Toral's BSing butt is gone from this show. Her half-truths in the boardroom helped seal her fate.

Hawkwild

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:33 pm

Philistines! Don't you know that Blizzamarole ™ is a stroke of marketing genuis? It combines the frosty goodness of a DQ Blizzard with the familiarity of comfort food cassarole.[/quote]
Now all I can see (and taste) is Jeannie the Blizzard TM Genie running a batch of mushroom soup/green bean cassarole through a soft serve machine. Thanks.

I can see the point of those who think Toral was ganged up on, but I think that she'd just pulled way too much "I'm too good for this" crap previously (both in interviews and in front of her team). I can see why her team didn't buy her "I'm uncomfortable" excuse, and I don't blame them for wanting to bring her down a few pegs.

Also, I was a costumed character (Sylvester the Cat) for several summers at a Six Flags park...it's not all that degrading (except when they pull your tail..that sucks).

Amber67

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:38 pm

Poor Toral. Poor, stupid Toral.

She was ganged up on by those harpies, and it wasn't really her fault.

However, she never stepped up. And this was her big chance. Her biggest problem was that she talked a big game, but did not have anything to back it up. Wasn't she aware that if she did nothing this time and the team lost, that she would be a target?

Oh well. I still hate the harpies more. But Toral was a complete moron.

I am not sure whether or not to say that Trump fired the right person, though. I mean, if Toral's lack of effort and work (not to mention personality issues) was the reason they lost, than fine. But she wasn't (at least not really).

Jeebus Shuttlesworth

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:39 pm

I've been noticing something about three of those women whose tactics really rub me the wrong way. Those women are none other than Kristi, Felisha, and Alla. I find it strange that they had no problems being critical about both Marshawn and Rebecca when they were in charge. However, Felisha made several critical errors when she was PM last night. I find it very disturbing that neither Kristi nor Alla had anything bad to say about Felisha. They only seem to be critical when a woman who isn't a part of their clique is the PM. During this task, the blonde clique obviously marginalized Rebecca, Marshawn, and Toral. They only took Jen M. along with them for the ride, but they ignored any input that was provided by Jen M.! [/quote]
Exactly. This is why the blonde Coven is more hateful than Toral. Also, at one point during the "STEP UP" haranging of Toral, they turned to Rebecca and said, "She's not worth it." Meaning that they would accept her back into the club if she would renounce her association with the disgusting one and join them in their Mean Girl schtick.

When I said Toral would be the leader of the Blonde Coven if she were blonde and white, I did not mean they were racist. Rather, Toral is just like them in a way. She is arrogant and stuck up and unwilling to take responsibility, but so are they (except for Jen M, who seems ok). They are constantly thinking of ways they can bring down the PM in the boardroom, or ostracizing the women not in their club.

Fishfive

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:45 pm

Quote of the episode:

"I dressed up as a chicken on Saturday Night Live. Did anyone see that? I was a chicken on Saturday Night Live."

Meanwhile, was anyone else thrown by Trump's middle "lesson segment" about how leaders should delegate tasks properly? I thought that was going to foreshadow Felisha's firing for trying to force Toral to wear the costume when she wasn't comfortable doing it...

Which would have been fine by me, since Felisha seriously needs to be given some Corn Nuts and pushed onto a glass table...

Madhoo

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:47 pm

Exactly. This is why the blonde Coven is more hateful than Toral. Also, at one point during the "STEP UP" haranging of Toral, they turned to Rebecca and said, "She's not worth it." Meaning that they would accept her back into the club if she would renounce her association with the disgusting one and join them in their Mean Girl schtick.[/quote]

The actual quote was "don't be humiliated for her", which was what Jen.M said to Rebecca in reference to Rebecca's defence of Toral in the BR last week.

Fluffy Malone

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:00 pm

The actual quote was "don't be humiliated for her", which was what Jen.M said to Rebecca in reference to Rebecca's defence of Toral in the BR last week. [/quote]

No, during the step up haranguing, she said "Rebecca, don't feel bad for her. Please." ETA: I just wanted to correct this for clarification because the words "actual quote" were used.

The extended boardroom footage is pretty funny. First, total word to the person upthread who posted that Felicia and Kristi both said that Jen M. did not suggest putting the logo on a shirt or chest. That was so awful and I'm very happy Marshawn stepped in to support her claim. The worst was when Jen M. asked Felicia directly if she remembers her making that suggestion, and Felicia gave an incredibly condescending "I don't, no, I'm sorry."

The best, though, are these comments:

Carolyn: "...they came up with this genie, although it's not the most attractive thing I've ever seen, they hit it..."

George: "What is Zip? It wasn't an insect, he's not an animal, he's not a vegetable." and then Carolyn's "I don't think it was a 'he'."

Kristi: "I think Felicia did a great job..."

Felicia (to Toral): "I think you stole someone's diploma."

Also? Felicia and Kristi shoot bitchlooks at each other over and over when others are speaking...they are definitely the power couple in the clique. And Rebecca claims that she brought up the 18-49 demographic several times but no one listened to her, and Kristi, Felicia and Alla all disputed this. Given how they forgot Jen M.'s suggestion which we saw her give, I'm tending to think Rebecca may be telling the truth.

Madhoo

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:06 pm

FluffyMalone, it still wasn't "she wasn't worth it" and there is a big difference in saying don't feel bad for her and saying she is not worth it.

Obleek

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:14 pm

I still hate the harpies more. But Toral was a complete moron. [/quote]

Harpies, morons, bitches (Clay), illiterates (Mark), airheads (Markus) and snarks (Josh)... just who are we supposed to root for here? The really, really short guy we haven't heard from yet?

deaja

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:19 pm

FluffyMalone, it still wasn't "she wasn't worth it" and there is a big difference in saying don't feel bad for her and saying she is not worth it. [/quote]

I think the Rebecca quote was saying not to feel bad for her, but I think prior to that, when the Blondes called her and were arguing with Toral, one of them commented, "Never mind, it's not worth it." (I'll rewatch tonight to see if this is true.)

Rose Dawn Scott

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:30 pm

You know your ideas suck when you lose to what is quite possibly the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life. That genie was like knee-surgery with sprinkly eyes.[/quote]

Reminded me a lot of BK's scary plastic Burger King, actually. Which, in turn, reminded me of a hot new joke making the rounds back when I was an elementary schooler: The Dairy Queen is pregnant! Why? The Burger King forgot to wrap his Whopper!

The Uniblonders were definitely ganging up on the Toralicious One with their insistence she wear the stupid costume, but she could have saved herself (and Rebecca!) from all of that, if she'd only agreed to be the PM instead. Then she could've run things her way, and had an out if they'd lost the task -- the Uniblonders sabotauged her chances deliberately. I can't believe such a brilliant, highly-educated, better-than-the-averrrrage-apprentice was somehow unable to realize that.

In the BR, with all the screeching and cat-fighting going on, I noticed that Trump turned to Marshawn and asked "What do you think, Marshawn?" She's the cool under pressure (nice attempted save with the execs, even though it didn't work), and also the one who's not part of any kind of clique, but manages to stay above the fray without pissing off the "fray." She's my definite fave on the women's "team," followed by Rebecca. Alla's part of Team Blonde, but I'm still finding her fun, whereas Kristi and Felisha just need to be bitch-slapped. And fired. Not necessarily in that order.

growsonwalls

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:31 pm

Another thing about Toral was when she said Carolyn would never wear a mascot costume. Uh, Toral honey, you are not Carolyn. Carolyn has proven herself to Trump as an effective manager and leader. Toral, you're just a deluded idiot. I wish Carolyn could have seen Toral make that comment. Just the icy glare she would have given Toral would have sent shivers of joy up my spine.

musichic2000

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:32 pm

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SlovakPrincess

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:41 pm

The problem with Toral is that she can point out when things are done wrong but offers no alternative - because she doesn't care if her team wins. No way Trump could respect that.

Even if the other women weren't going to give her a chance no matter what, handling things better, like saying "Sure, I'd love to be PM - does anyone else have marketing experience that would give us a better shot at winning? If no, I'd love to lead," or "I think a better strategy would be . . . " would have helped immensely, especially if Caroline was watching. Trump fires you, not the team. But she made it obvious she didn't care.

Otherwise, Felicia should've been out the door - if only for wasting time on the whole "you MUST wear the costume" crap.

LOVED Marshawn this episode - poised, articulate and smart. I wouldn't mind seeing her win. She and Jen M. did the best job on their team, but it looks like Jen M. blows it big time next week.

BibiBella

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:50 pm

coaster

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:03 pm

Trump was prepped and ready with his comments/opinions. I think he planned to fire Toral before he entered the boardroom. [/quote]

I thought so too. I think he was still all revved up from wanting to fire Toral last week, when Rebecca foiled his plans by not bringing Toral back. He wasn't about to leave the slightest chance that it would happen again.

But I also think that even if he hadn't wanted to fire her, that *face* she made on "consider the source" would have done it. That was the same conspiratorial "it's you and I against all these peasants, Donny" that didn't work for winky Erin.

And both of them would have said "you and I."

clairedawn

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:05 pm

Lots of pompous, cocky traders and bankers on wall street...I think you get promoted for being that way. ;=)

Dumbpants

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:05 pm

I loved Toral's attitude... I'm not going to embarrass my employers, my family, yadda, yadda by wearing a costume.

So saying all of those REALLY negative things about her team (as much as you may dislike them, a team is still a team... wishing them to lose is just wrong), being unwilling to "step up to the plate", and coming up with STUPID ideas will NOT embarrass the aforementioned people?

Methinks that she was born with a silver spoon in her mouth and everyone around her constantly tells her what an amazing, strong woman she is.

Oh, and did you know? Her shit doesn't stink.

Edited because I know how to spell most words...

CheekyCricket

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:07 pm

I still hate the harpies more. But Toral was a complete moron.

Harpies, morons, bitches (Clay), illiterates (Mark), airheads (Markus) and snarks (Josh)... just who are we supposed to root for here? The really, really short guy we haven't heard from yet?[/quote][/quote]
I'm firmly in the Randal camp. We only saw snippets of him in this episode, but I thought the song-writing powwow was pretty amusing.

meowing

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:13 pm

It would have been interesting if Toral had come back with, "Now you need to stop telling half-truths. I saw that episode of SNL and you did not wear a chicken costume. You wore a yellow business suit. You had four people dancing around you in chicken costumes." That would have brought the funny and/or a quicker firing.[/quote]

That may have brought a "CUT!!!!" and a do-over!

Here's an example of how you know they WERE marginalized; when the girls all split up and the Coven got into the cab and left Toral, Marshawn, and Rebecca behind (the non-blondes, mind you) they started going over their ideas for the presentation. [/quote]

This is exactly what I meant when I said that the blondes were marginalizing the other women.

Now that Toral is gone, will the Blondes keep their clique or will Rebecca and Marshawn be able to immerse themselves into the team?

I really hope Rebecca or Markus wins this thing. Team players are important but I want the winner to be someone who would step out of their comfort zone, to use yet another corporate cliche. I want someone independent, rather than cliquish, to win. Then again, I'm not making the decision as to whom to hire/fire.

clairedawn

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:16 pm

So what happened to the jingle? They never performed!

AlmondEyes

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:22 pm

Forgive me, cuz I'm a Seinfeld geek, but all of the plate stepping upping from last nite's epi is making me thirsty!

Anyone here familiar with how Wall Street works? 'Cause I can't see someone with Toral's attitude being kept on as an employee. I see on her bio that she's a day trader now so I'm wondering if Miss Elite got fired because of her attitude.[/quote]
My knowledge of Wall Street is kinda limited, but I'm baffled as to how Toral calls herself an investment banker without an MBA. I thought the furthest you could go without the degree is the analyst level. Maybe an analyst is a level of investment banker, on the rung below associate? Anyhoo. Your presumption is probably right, BibiBella.

My eyes still hurt from the death rays I was shooting out to Toral last nite. The only thing worse than her insufferable smugness, and her sucky skills at plate stepping upping, was her performance in the BR. God, could she have sucked any harder? Rebecca looked thoroughly embarrassed by Toral's refusing to take accountability sorry, couldn't resist) and PM the task. I think Rebecca redeemed herself well in distancing herself from Toral. Trump admired Rebecca's loyalty, but you can't pledge blind loyalty to a lazy, divisive bitch like Toral who is completely devoid of any demonstrable talent.

Speaking of devoid of demonstrable talent, I posted in last week's epi thread that I had no idea who the hell Felisha was. All was revealed last nite. Just what was her contribution as PM? The mascot sucked. Her leadership was nonexistent. If Toral hadn't fallen on her own sword, Felisha would have been fired, and rightly so. That's okay. As someone pointed out upthread, when the cannibalization begins within the Uniblondes/Coven, t'will be happy times, y'all.

I was also between hating the Unicoven for the hateful side of bitch that they served to Toral, and hating Toral for . . . well, being Toral. They were totally unfair for ganging up on her like that. Though Toral's excuse as to why she couldn't wear the mascot uniform was full of shit.

Because it can't be said enough: shut. up. Kristi.

Free Marshawn!

Pundit

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:26 pm

One thing I'll say for Toral: she is freaking gorgeous.[/quote]
I don't care one way or the other about the attractiveness of the candidates, although I wish we didn't see so many attractive ones since that tells me something that I don't respect about the vetting process for the show, but...wow, are we of two different opinions. I not only think she is unattractive, but the way she screwed up her face into a myriad number of ugly expressions (reflecting the inner woman, IMO) really turned me off.

And to the poster who said the blonde coven was worse than Toral... wow, again are we of two different opinions. I don't like them (especially Kristi... although I am okay with Jen M. so far) and I don't like the way they dealt with the costume issue. But worse than Toral? That woman has zero redeeming qualities from what I could see. And the so-called "intelligence" was never on display during any of the tasks.

Rose Dawn Scott

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:26 pm

Fucking kill me, please.[/quote]

Hee! What's your preferred manner of death -- thrown under a bus, or locked inside a box? ;->

Cuff Links

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:40 pm

My knowledge of Wall Street is kinda limited, but I'm baffled as to how Toral calls herself an investment banker without an MBA. I thought the furthest you could go without the degree is the analyst level. [/quote]

Generally that's true. But that was mostly true during the eighties. Analysts are usually hired by investment banks straight from undergraduate programs and signed to a two year contract. If you do well, you are expected to go to business school at the end of your two years and come back to the investment bank that trained you as an analyst (or to another bank that wants you more). Some banks even pay your MBA tuition in order to assure your return.

However, the recession of the early nineties coupled with the "new media" start ups messed things up and made things less "gentlemenly." Now everything is more competitive and cost conscious so the banks are less likely to pay your tuition. If they want to keep you, they might promote you without benefit of an MBA degree which some people consider a waste of valuable time. Remember, MBAs aren't required of investment bankers. Lots of bankers forego business school and go to law school instead. Technically, even a bachelors isn't required. The only requirement of an investment banker is that you pass various "series" examinations that have nothing to do with a business school program and you are usually allowed to study for them on company time.

So anyway, it's not unheard of for an investment banker to have advanced up the ranks without an MBA.

Hamhock96

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:41 pm

So what happened to the jingle? They never performed! [/quote]

If you can access the extra footage on Yahoo, there is an explanation.

Toral is a tool, but she opened her mouth and drew the heat. There was no heat directed at her until she opened her mouth. Maybe the Donald would have gotten to her; yes, he was ready for her, but she volunteered that the team didn't know what it was doing in order to support his grilling of Felisha. She suffers, as did Tana, from thinking that she is already Trump or Carolyn, and therefore, above it all and in a position to criticize her team along with Donald.

msrayrudd

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:46 pm

She suffers, as did Tana, from thinking that she is already Trump or Carolyn, and therefore, above it all and in a position to criticize her team along with Donald. [/quote]

Difference is as crazy as Tana might have turned out to be, she didn't start doing this until much later in the season and at least had some PM wins under her belt before she started that routine, or at least let the Donald see that side of her. At least she sort of had a leg to stand on in some sense.

For Toral to do this when she's done nothing is what is so amazing. I could at least get her sense of entitlement, or understand it a little, if she had an early PM win and had somewhere in the first few tasks proven her worth. She didn't.

Tana might be deluded but I think Toral has got to take the crown (sorry Erin!) when it comes to entitlement and delusion.

BibiBella

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:02 pm

that *face* she made on "consider the source" would have done it. [/quote]

Oh my god, that face -- like she was smelling the stench of a million nasty, dirty, stinky peasants -- was unbelievable. It was like the only people who were worthy sources were Trump & Company -- so I loved it when Trump slapped her down with his comment about George and Carolyn being "sources" too.

To the poster who said she was drop-dead gorgeous...I don't agree, even from a purely physical standpoint (she has no beauty inside so that takes away from any physical beauty, IMO) -- did you see her nose? She looked fine from straight on, but when she was viewed sideways? One huge honker.

But her personality/attitude makes her a very, very unattractive person. And believe me, when people have that attitude over time, it does become etched on their faces and it's really not pretty.

SchoolofRock

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:21 pm

I just have to say that you need to get over to Yahoo and watch the extended footage of Toral's taxi cab interview and her exit interview. It's breathtaking. It's like, if you thought you hated Toral from watching the show...you can't even imagine how truly loathsome she is.

CheekyCricket

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:29 pm

I'm actually getting tired of talking about Toral, or thinking about how dreadful and loathesome she is, but I think I'll check out the extended video just to see how truly awful it is . . .

quaintirene

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:32 pm

I just did. Wow! What a deluded bitch! I never thought I would prefer a Heather to a non-Heather, but...I do! Even Shut-Up!-Kristi is better than this one.

ConanGrammarian

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:35 pm

I actually liked Zip better than Jenny. The execution of Zip was seriously flawed. When asked about appealing to the non-toddler side of the market demographic Felisha was a deer in the headlights. It's called reseach, look into it.

And how hard would it have been to put a "DQ" or two somewhere on the costume?

I thought Clay was an ass and treated his teammates like dogs and children. But the men were right to vote him an exemption. I liked the way they put their personal feelings aside and made their decision based upon his performance.

Toral is seriously delusional - more delusional than Omarosa. I didn't think that was possible.

The blondes did in fact set up Toral to take the path toward her own doom. But she paved it and put up the guardrail herself.

Did anyone else bust a gut laughing when Toral tried to use the argument that successful professional business people don't wear costumes and Trump countered with "I wore a chicken suit on Saturday Night Live?

Trump looked a little like he wanted to tell Rebecca "I told you so." At least she could read the writing on the wall. She did couch her turnaround with "disappointed" and "wanted to see what she could do." But when push came to shove, she dumped Toral faster than a syphillitic boyfriend.

Marshawn has officially ended the "Crazy Black Woman on 'The Apprentice' Syndrome."

Being a Southerner not currently living in the South, I usually find it nice to hear a Southern accent on television (a real one, not that generic redneck accent Hollywood thinks everyone down there uses). But I have to agree with several prior posters: Kristi needs to STFU.

AdrienneP

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:39 pm

It really says something about how horribly the teams did that I wasn't craving ice cream by the end of the task. I mean, over on TA:MS, by the end of the wedding cake task, I would have gnawed off a limb to snag me some ganache. But here? Nada.[/quote]

LOL, tigeril.

Loved the recap, Jacob!

MightyThor

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:42 pm

Zip had really scary eyes. Just too big. Went beyond neoteny into horror.

Eirik

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:54 pm

What I found rather odd was that she didn't want to wear the costume because she has clients that would be deeply offended.

What I'm trying to imagine is a client that wouldn't be offended by his/her investment banker/adviser taking off for 4-6 weeks to be on a reality show which is known for throwing contestants into all sorts of appaling positions, but then would be offended for putting on a silly costume. She has a really odd client base.

One thing I kept thinking about was one of her other excuses was that she would embarass her employers. Uh... I thought that the idea of the show was that she would be employed by Donald Trump.

And her interview segment where she said that Trump would never make Carolyn wear a suit like that... I'll buy that. She most likely wouldn't be asked to put on a funny animal costume. Then again, she's already proved herself to Trump probebly a dozen times over and Trumps organization doesn't need mascots or the like and so it's unlikely to come up. And I suspect she's good natured enough that if there was a good reason (ie, an appearence on SNL, a charity event, etc) she just might.

Trader Joe

Oct 14, 2005 @ 5:36 pm

King Solomon

During the reward at Shea Stadium, after James revealed he had played 4 years of collegiate baseball, and grabbed a bat, do you think someone told him to ...? Nah, that would have actually been an appropriate use of the phrase and we wouldn't want that.
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Sbeet

Oct 14, 2005 @ 5:39 pm

I'm just thinking of the difference between Mark and Toral.

Mark: I know I'm going to look like an idiot, but hey? What can you do? Look where I'm at. He was so funny when they were discussing
duct taping his unmentionables. That costume was very frightening. I had visions of the infamous RealDoll that gained notoriety in with HBO's Real Sex and Howard Stern. And the way he was walking when he came in. Priceless.

As for Zip. He looked much cuter on paper than in his actual incarnation. He was originally supposed to be a spoon as a character, or did I hear wrong? Then it morphed into that scary thing.

Come to think of it, both mascots created by that mascot design team were pretty terrible

Obleek

Oct 14, 2005 @ 5:40 pm

Oh my god, that face -- like she was smelling the stench of a million nasty, dirty, stinky peasants --[/quote]

Hee!
She just had to be fired - that face and all. I mean, I too, sometimes make that face - IN MY MIND. Never when I was interviewing for a job - sheesh.

Can't we have candidates on TA/TAM who are overweight, underweight, plain? I mean, the nation is willing to watch The Biggest Loser now. And besides, cable TV has every different kind of person on their shows that would never have made it to network TV - and the public accepts it.

I'm ready for some "real" looking candidates, please. And, hey, casting people? Please leave out the asshats and crazies. Give us the ACTUAL best and brightest. /END-WISHFUL-THINKING-THAT'S-NEVER-GONNA-HAPPEN. Sigh.

BrytEydBelle

Oct 14, 2005 @ 6:02 pm

When I saw the Jennifer M. wearing the blue Omarosa scarf of delusions, I thought it might be a forshadowing, but thankfully no.

I thought that Dairy Queen's insistence that the mascot appeal to different age groups was fairly stupid. Honestly, what mascots do teenagers like? Possibly well known characters like Disney cartoons that provide them with some nostalgia, but teens do not go to McDonalds because they like Ronald McDonald.

Toral's firing was fantastic. I couldn't believe she refused to wear the costume. I honestly didn't see the big deal about it. Wearing a cartoonish costume for a half an hour inside is not a big deal. Also, she deserved it for her bitchy attitude. If someone has to wear the costume, logically that task is probably going to go to whomever is the least liked at that point. Also, Toral would have came across better in the presentation as Zip.

tiggeril

Oct 14, 2005 @ 6:14 pm

Can't we have candidates on TA/TAM who are overweight, underweight, plain? [/quote]
Well, there was Bowie back in TA1....

I thought that Dairy Queen's insistence that the mascot appeal to different age groups was fairly stupid. Honestly, what mascots do teenagers like? Possibly well known characters like Disney cartoons that provide them with some nostalgia, but teens do not go to McDonalds because they like Ronald McDonald. [/quote]
Yeah, I'm not sure about having a mascot at all. It's a fairly hoary cliché at this point.

Susan StoHelit

Oct 14, 2005 @ 6:22 pm

Toral earned this - not just last week, but this week. Last week, it became clear she didn't do her homework, so she couldn't do the TV demo. This week, when she's supposedly going to 'step up', and really show them what she can do - she still doesn't do much of anything for the task. I think there was some malice in assigning her to the costume, but also some valid attempt to make her do at the very least some work on the project. She didn't contribute anything useful to the brainstorming, didn't come up with the character, didn't do the public speaking - she was just a passenger. I'd have done the same - told my non-performer that they are going to do this part of the task - and do it or you are fired.

Wearing the costume wasn't any big deal - your face wasn't visible, no speaking lines, nothing. I can see why Trump fired her - when there's a task to get done, and a job needs to be done, nothing is 'beneath' you if it's necessary. And someone had to wear the costume, so it was necessary. Toral's just got a stick up her ass and has some mixed up idea that a bit of a degree makes you royalty.

Hard to fire the person responsible for the loss - most of the team didn't stop and say that they needed branding - they all agreed that it was a team decision - so no one person to fire for that mistake. But Toral deserved it for being unwilling to do a legitimate real job - and for her outright lies in the boardroom.

And that BS about 'volunteering' to be the PM, if no one else wants to - nonsense. This is a competition to become a manager - if they all don't want to be PM all the time, there's something very wrong. She knew she could get someone else to step up, so she wouldn't have to do any work. Toral is just a lazy fool with a princess complex.

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