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gianmatt
Toral completely blew it. All she had to do was wear the damn costume, and she'd have been safe. "Mr. Trump, I was in the costume the whole time." What could the Coven have said then? That she wasn't zippy enough? That she looked silly? "Hey, the design wasn't my idea." Instead, her refusal to wear the costume became the issue.
debng
As a former Administrative Assistant I was rather insulted by Toral's taxicab tirade. If it weren't for us, she would be nowhere. People like Toral have no clue how to do anything but delgate and bitch about their superiority. In fact, with her attitude, she probably couldn't keep an Assistant for longer than a couple of months.

Toral may be a banker, but she couldn't handle a lowly AA's job. She couldn't even handle a big screen TV.
realityremote
Hooray! Toral and her "Ice Cream-based costumed Characters are the Devil in Disguise" religious beliefs (can anyone shed a beam of light as to what religion would have frowned upon this?) are gone - along with her smug attitude, complete lack of self-awareness, and absence of the word "team-player" in her vocabulary.

The sun is shining brightly on Rebecca, however, and I agree wholeheartedly with a previous poster who said she could make it to the final 4. Frankly, I think she could walk away with the whole thing. Her comments about Toral were well-thought out and even her reason for voting Toral out "that the team can't function with her" was more about teamwork than a personal attack on Toral. I think the Donald was expecting her to spin on her heels from the past week, but she was well-spoken when she said she was looking to see more from Toral that didn't happen. She didn't rise to the Trump-bait. I even liked that she said she was sorry to Toral at the end. She's the one to watch.

Gee, hockey one week, baseball another week - do these seem a tad male-focused? Can't wait for men to win a reward where they get manicures and go shopping for shoes.
Trader Joe
As this was the "step up to the plate" task, I find the reward absolutely appropriate.
tone
debng
As a former Administrative Assistant I was rather insulted by Toral's taxicab tirade. If it weren't for us, she would be nowhere.[/quote]As Toral even said, "...consider the soure." Hope that makes you feel better about her lame-ass comments.
TheLady2
I watched Toral's exit interview.

http://apprentice.tv.yahoo.com/trump/04/ex...video/exit.html

In it she states her opinion of Trump (very degrading) and how she is glad she is rid of the whole business. Well, why did she apply if Donald and being on the show is beneath her? There must have been many interviews in order to be chosen, and now all of a sudden she has no use for any it. Classic sour grapes issue.
BassetHound
If I hear "step up" or "step up to the plate" ONE MORE TIME on this show, I'm going to shoot my TV, Elvis style.
Soupy Drek
Wow, that's more like it. This is The Apprentice that I know and love. A bunch of nimrods arguing about a task they have no clue how to perform and falling on their asses.

Both presentations sucked the bag as that genie would give kids nightmares if they actually saw her. And while Zip was goofy, I think it was at least closer to being some kind of family-friendly mascot. All they had to do was use a Blizzard cup for his body and it would have been a bit better.

Sorry Toral, your majesty that all this is so beneath you. I feel so bad that you have to associate with people you would never talk to, your highness. So glad you're gone.

Actually, I hate all these people and sometimes hate myself for watching this show. I think all the contestants lie about their accomplishments and TPTB don't bother to correct them or challenge them because they want to sell this as the best and the brightest. In four seasons of this show I have yet to come up with a scenario that I would ever hire these people for any reason.
parsleysage

The BK mascot creeps me out more. Especially in the commercial where he comes up to the window of someone's house. I'd shit my pants if that was my window.[/quote] MAJOR WORD to that. He is some scary shit. I lurrrrved the soft serve hair. I think they could build on that idea, but why did they put her in a space suit? She should've been wearing a genie skirt or Arabian pants, that would've handled that whole "bulge" issue **cue eye bleach**

They could've used Bowie's "Jean Genie" as the background music.
eurp
Someone needs to "step up to the plate" and "think outside the box".
hissyfit
Wow....Coral is just a fool. When she was gloating about how badly the team did and how 'they were going to get what they deserved' I actualled yelled at the TV- "It's your team, dumbass....you get what they get!" She disconnected herself so much from the team she actually didn't see how she was doing in relation to who she was working with. And whether she wore the stupid costume or not, she so clearly wanted the team to fail that she had to go.

No one really stands out as being particularly competent. How hard is it to figure out that you have to have a logo somewhere on the mascot? And the genie was just creepy.

Toral is the kind of person that you just know is horrible to waiters in restaurants. I bet her soup has been spit in dozens of times. She's just plain awful.
SmedIndy
I need a smoke. That was a sassifying firing.

Though Kristi and the Blondettes will meet their doom soon enough.

Clay - man who put Jack from Will and Grace on the team?

Edited to add - YAY! A Rhona sighting! Who-hoo!
Scherzo

But has there ever been a GOOD mascot? [/quote]
Yeah! IMHO, UGA's Hairy Dog really works well.

And a big WORD! to the poster upstream who compared the women's mascot to Izzy, the Atlanta Olympic mascot. Separated at birth?
LolaLilaLilly
So I was thinking last night that I'm more brilliant than any of those people, and probably should be in marketing.

The idea of the task was to create an iconic character to reachout to teens, adults, and kids alike. The women obviously didn't do that at all, and the men obviously thought "big boobs" would appeal to teens. Because teenage boys like nothing more than cartoon women with icecream hair and big boobs, with boners.

Can anyone name a marketing icon(s) used within the last 10 years that had teenage boys quoting and quoting endlessly? The idea of an icon is not to affix the company to icon, but just to do something with it to get the name out there.

Point value drops with every hint.

Hint 1: Bud.
Hint 2: Wise.
Hint 3: Er!


The Budwiser Frogs were brilliant and got their name out there and were loved by people of ALL ages.

So why not re-invent that?

My idea? Blizzie the Penguin. He's a slight anthrapmorphic Penquin who works in a Diary Queen. He's slightly laid back and cool, wears shades, has a t-shirt with the DQ logo, and gets into various antics in the commerical.

In one commercial a DQ employee is looking for him, holds up an upside-down trashcan and out falls Blizzie, unlike the actual Blizzards which stay in their upside down container.

Is it the best idea? Probably not, be alot better than Big Boobed Boner Ice Cream Woman, and "Zippie" with rocket shoes and fire hose (WTF?!).
clairedawn
Toral = terrible! All her comments about "I'm glad *they* lost" and that smug look on her face, it's like, um, could you be any less of a team player?

Oh and her "passive, watch everyone else self-implode" strategy. Good one, Toral. Because Donald really doesn't get annoyed by the whole "flying under the radar" approach. Which, um, by the way you didn't, because you all you did was self-implode yourself, you weren't under anyone's radar! In fact, you managed to put yourself on the radar as a number one target!

I did think the whole costume issue was tricky. I am sure somewhere in Trump Tower there is the camera footage of the Heathers smirking, "Ha ha, let's make Torrell wear the dorky costume! Ha!" and snickering evilly (sp?) about it.

Which does put Torrell in a tough position. I'm sure she would have thought wearing the thing was beneath her no matter what, but to see how the other girls are gleefully trying to humiliate you and force the crappy task on you...while that pretty much sucks. If you don't do it, you are not a team player, and if you do, you know you have been totally played and didn't stand up for yourself.

The girls are awful. I do like Rebecca okay. She was smart in her answer to fire Toral. She didn't jump in on the massacre and she didn't go on about the stupid costume. She acted very much like an executive saying, "Look, I thought I saw something in her. I wanted to give her the opportunity to show it." Which is exactly what a good manager should do for his or her employees. And then "I was really disappointed she didn't step up to lead." Good job, Rebecca.

I can't believe the girls went against branding their character. wtf??? The whole project was about branding. Not impressed with any of these girls...

Clay....what a tool.
pacestick


she got kicked out of Columbia Business School for cheating[/quote]


Somehow I,m not surprised. But, where did you get this information? [/quote]

This was posted in her thread under the Current Apprentices thread

It must be true, because non one would LIE on the internet
fposte
What I thought was interesting was that Toral didn't flatly refuse the PM spot or, initially, the mascot costume--especially on the latter, she went for that annoying old standby, being "uncomfortable" with doing it. I'm pretty convinced that this was a strategic attempt to retain a claim that she didn't refuse these jobs, so people can't complain that she didn't take them (though I really wanted Felisha to say that she was comfortable with Toral being uncomfortable).

I actually think that somewhere in there Toral is aware that she's not particularly competent, and that's why she weasels out of stuff; it's much more bolstering to stand on the sides and bitch than it is to actually risk a likely failure. I don't think she is all that smart, actually, and that's part of the problem--she's really short on resources.

Rebecca, Marshawn, and Jenn M. are the best of the women now, but between promos and this episode, it looks like Jenn M.'s word stumblings are going to be a problem, and Rebecca needs to demonstrate she can manage a task better than she did.

Am I just confused by the idea sheets, or was there a notion that the created characters were going to be animated, not live action, in any actual ads? I think Soft-Serve Jeannie (who else was startled to find that they actually gave her a different name than Jeannie?) would animate pretty decently, and that would help with the creepy gender-bender mascot vibe.
nubbs
I don't know, I thought that was a pretty good episode of 'Jawbreaker'.
King Solomon
During the reward at Shea Stadium, after James revealed he had played 4 years of collegiate baseball, and grabbed a bat, do you think someone told him to ...? Nah, that would have actually been an appropriate use of the phrase and we wouldn't want that.
Character Zero

Coral is just a fool.[/quote]

While this is correct on a totally different show and network, her name is Toral.
Booklord
Toral was in no way responsible for the team's loss. The gang of four who designed that monster and failed to realize the importance of the logo.

That said though, I'm glad the insufferable snob got fired. The other women may be fools but at least their personalities are not toxic. ( Though Kristi is starting to grate on me quite a bit )
meowing
I was on Toral's side until this ep but it was pretty obvious that the blondes were marginalizing Rebecca, Toral and Marshawn.

Toral needed to, in line with the baseball theme of last night's show, hit it out of the park or at least step up to the plate. OK, that's pretty cliche but it was obvious what she needed to do and she didn't do it.

Trump liked her because of the Wharton connection.
Scherzo

All they had to do was use a Blizzard cup for his body and it would have been a bit better.
[/quote]
That reminds me of "Master Shake" from the (OMG. what is the name of that program?) Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
The chain saw makes it art, doesn't it?
clairedawn
Toral had her chance to be project manager and play the boss and pick anyone she wanted to wear that stupid Sponge Zip costume. She was passive and didn't, and actually put herself in a position to let those ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS tell her what to do! Ha! That is sort of funny actually. Basically she didn't "step up" and gave Felicia the lowly admin assistant permission to be "her boss."

Ugh, can't stand any of these girls....it does feel like watching Jawbreaker. Well now that the "outsiders" have been picked off, it will be interesting to see how they turn on each other.

I agree with the person who wrote that Jen M & Alla need to distance themselves to be any less annoying....
llsquared
My WTF moment of the show-Blondies are in the van talking about what a "great collaborative effort" the creation of the character was.

PM-"Well, great effort by everyone in this van"

EXCUSE ME? Didn't Rebecca (who was left in the room) come up with the NAME OF YOUR HEINOUS "MASCOT".

Cannot wait to see them all go down.

Also-Rebecca was just as good in the boardroom this week as last.
uranushertz
First, I have to say Marshawn is clearly the most logical, intelligent and fast-thinking person on the show. Period. But you know, in Trumpland, girls = boobies and pagent queens. Since Trump used up his token girl slot last season, he can get back to hiring dudes for the next four seasons.

WTF is up with the "boy-centered" rewards?? Do TPTB really hate women THAT much?

And lastly, can they come up with something else to say other than "step up to the plate?" I heard that so many times last night, my head was about to explode - and that phrase was tired after the first season. How about these:

"I'm going to but my butt on the line"
"I'm going to show everyone what I'm made of"
"I'm going to finally get off my ass and do something"
SchoolofRock

In lukewarm defense of Toral, I can imagine her eager and excited about being on The Apprentice (as a networking opportunity if nothing else) only to find as her very first official action having to run on a golf course to get to a helicopter first, and then saying to herself, What the hell am I doing here?

Possibly her body stayed on the show, but her mind quit at that very moment.

I channel flip during commercials and thus I didn't see any of Randall's grandmother's funeral, but people commented on the inappropriateness of it, blaming The Apprenctice. Randall (and his family) allowed those cameras there (assuming they were), and thus Randall allowed the show to control his family life.

Maybe Toral wasn't willing to make that trade. Maybe she simply misread the nature of The Apprentice when she first signed on for it, and then found it to be a series of deliberately embarassing incidents that she wanted no part of. [/quote]

But she portrays herself as being brilliant and calls herself a "business genius" on her web site. If she is that bright and gifted, surely she would have done extensive research on what The Apprentice WAS before trying out for it. Extensive research like...watching a couple of episodes. Or reading a couple of articles.

The tasks are always embarassing. This is a show where a woman removed her skirt on the streets of New York in order to sell a box of candy. They scrub toilets, they hand out flyers on the street, they hawk food on the street, they wear stupid outfits, that's the show.

I can only guess that Toral thought she would get on the show and everyone would be so in awe of her massive talent that she would either be immediately hired by Trump and join The Viceroys or the other people of her team would be content to scurry about and do the actual work while Toral strategerized.

I approve of the way her team forced the issue of her superior attitude. The only point of asking her to wear the costume was to test her and she failed the test. I hate the Blondies too, but the fact is, the next task will likely involve something Toral would have found demeaning too and aside from her being just a raging bitch, she actually would have been a liability to any team she was on, because she was only willing to do certain kinds of tasks.

She didn't like demonstrating technology to seniors. She refused to wear a costume. When asked about being PM, she said she knew nothing about advertising, marketing or branding. She made herself pretty damn useless with all her can'ts and won'ts.
CaptainSnarky

Clay will not win. He's a bit of an asshole.[/quote]

I'd say he's the entire asshole.
zenner
Hasn't she like watched the show? Being embarrassed is part of the job description.

No, she wasn't the reason they lost, except in the sense that she distracted them from the task. They were so intent on humiliating her (because if you don't think they sensed her attitude toward them, you're dreaming) that they didn't pay attention to business.

What fascinated me was that two episodes ago, the men had a similar situation with Markus, and now it doesn't seem to be an issue.

And of course, Jen backcombs the Barbie topknot. That's even better.
oosil
Toral? I don't mind someone being elitist (I am one, myself), but be that way for a reason. And if the job calls for doing something down & dirty, get in there & do it.
What a poseur.

I don't understand why this show is set up with tasks that don't relate to anything that Trump does, and/or set up for failure. I'm sure it is all for effect/TV, like a train wreck, but it does get old fast.
atlantis81
it was pretty obvious that the blondes were marginalizing Rebecca, Toral and Marshawn.

Which is totally bogus, since Rebecca and Marshawn (especially Marshawn) are the two strongest players on their team, with Jen M coming in third and Alla coming in fourth.

I see Marshawn and Rebecca as making the final four; not because Rebecca is awesome on tasks, but because Trump listens to her in the boardroom like no one else. Girl is very articulate in the boardroom, and commands some attention. And I don't see her making any Erin-winking mistakes.

Marshawn is probably the person who thinks best on her feet (remember the moment in the ep where the judges were like "how is this identified as Dairy Queen" and Marshawn was the only one to break through the silence and give a statement? Yeah, she was awesome right there), and also has Trump's respect in the boardroom.
Lisetta
She wasn't the reason they lost, but that's only because she didn't -do- anything. You can't cause a loss by being MIA.

At least, to his credit, Trump (usually) would rather fire someone who doesn't even try to contribute, than to fire someone who simply screws up by having a lousy idea and badly executing it.
charleyhorse
I am very impressed with Rebecca. I love how she handles herself in the boardroom. She's smart, tough, succinct, and she demonstrates a combination of confidence and courage that I think Trump really likes. Anyway, I like it.

I'm impressed with Marshawn as well, for similar reasons. I really liked how she explicitly gave credit to Jennifer M. for the logo idea. That was classy.
Empress1

Marshawn - my favorite - great points in the boardroom, great save during the presentation, not part of the coven. At this point I honestly hopes she wins it all, because I have seen a lot more good performance from her than anybody else. Rebecca - second favorite among the women.[/quote]
Ditto. Really like Marshawn. I loved her save in the presentation, and I loved her argument that Toral didn’t do anything, so she can’t share in wins or losses. True. I feel bad for Rebecca. I gave an informational interview a few weeks ago – friend of a friend was looking for a job. I was nervous because I knew she’d want to pass along her resume, and if I referred her, she got hired, and she turned out to suck, I’d look like an asshole for referring her (she was lovely, but we don’t have anything open). Rebecca’s got that stigma now. I like that she owned up, but she still looks bad for backing Toral.

I posted this in the Toral thread, so I’ll just say it was clear that Toral thought she was too good for this, and it showed. Insufferable. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to work for or with her.

Clay either. “I don’t want you to speak until I tell you?” Um, no. Not how good bosses work. It’s good to lead with a firm hand, but he was out of line. He was just a jerk. I didn’t think Markus was bad this week (although, snacks? What?). When Clay asked why the client meeting wasn’t until 11:30 and Markus replied that that gave them time to prepare, I thought that made sense.

Zip was cute, but the execs were right. This was DQ-specific, not a cartoon character. I liked the genie, especially the soft-serve hair. I thought this sounded like a fun task, but then, I work in marketing.

But even if I didn’t, work is full of shit you have to do that you don’t want to. It’s work. For Toral to be all, “Ptui!” about it is ridiculous.
RevLovejoy

And lastly, can they come up with something else to say other than "step up to the plate?" I heard that so many times last night, my head was about to explode - and that phrase was tired after the first season.[/quote]

Word.

Also? It is such a stupid expression. "Step up to the plate" means nothing more than "Hey, it's your turn". How this came to connotate going over and above normal effort baffles me. "Take the bull by the horns", Apprenti, and use a better cliche.
Obladi

I'd say he's the entire asshole.[/quote]

Where would that leave Joshit, and the latest coven, and Toothy McBulge or whatever that guy's name is who was a disaster on the car task (checking...Mark). Plenty of proctology cases to go around with this show.
Lisetta
If Toral really -is- a bitch, maybe the blondes don't deserve all the criticism for hating her (and her fervent supporter) these past weeks?
blueguy

You can't cause a loss by being MIA.
[/quote]

Yes you can! In the boardroom and in her interviews she said what was needed to be done to win. And, she didn't share this information with her team. Her refusal to share a winning strategy (in her opinion) directly resulted in the team's loss. If the team did what Toral said should have been done - then the team would have won. But Toral did not share any of that information and that is why - using her own logic - that she is directly responsible for the team's loss. It is the difference between active commission versus active ommission. Toral actively ommitted information and the critical feedback necessary to ensure her team's success.

Toral can be directly blamed and held accountable for the loss.
lostcawz
I don't buy any argument that Toral didn't know what TA was about. She certainly knew enough about it to have a thought-out strategy.

And while I like Marshawn and think she is a quick thinker, she also seems very aloof and standoffish. This could be the editing, but even when she was PM she was very handsoff.
Therixter

And lastly, can they come up with something else to say other than "step up to the plate?" [/quote] is Baseball parlance, right? Something about being willing to step up to home plate to face a good pitcher (not that you really have any choice if you're on the team)? How about we switch it to football, something along the lines of: "I'm ready to step up behind center and put my hands in his ass" You could pepper it with "Elbow-deep" if you REALLY meant it!
Listen Lady
Rebecca can't get off my TV fast enough. I can't stand her overly simplified self aggrandizing sound bites. She's nothing but a non-stop commercial for herself. "Look how spunky I am", "Look how humble I am", "Look how pro-woman I am." Words come out of her mouth, but it's all self-preservation and no substance.

Marshawn rocks. She's professional, yet gracious and human. Love that.


I understand that [Toral] didn't like the whole project, but what brilliant alternatives did she offer???? "Rigamarole". [/quote]
Whatever she said ("Blizzamarole", "Rigamarole"), they were brainstorming. The point is to throw stuff out there and get ideas flowing. Not every idea has to be fully formed or brilliant. One person's half-baked idea is another person's germ of a brilliant idea. And the first rule of brainstorming (Kristi) is nothing gets rejected.

Toral has issues, but I really hated the pack animal behavior. They were trying to humiliate her with the costume. And that was stupid from a team and project perspective because it immediately put a stigma on wearing the costume. No one wanted to wear it then, and Kristi huffily made that "sacrifice". Meanwhile, over on the men's team, it was fun and no big deal.
Wacoshade

And lastly, can they come up with something else to say other than "step up to the plate?" [/quote]
OMG They were fricking insane with that. I would suggest it as a drinking game, but you be buzzed and probably passed out in the first 10 minutes! Holy shit! I think we heard it 7-8 times in about the first 5 minutes alone! And then for the rest of the damn show. Even CAROLYN was infected that horeshit at the very end! GAH!

Oh, Kristi. STFU!
alynn

Whatever she said ("Blizzamarole", "Rigamarole"), they were brainstorming. The point is to throw stuff out there and get ideas flowing. Not every idea has to be fully formed or brilliant. One person's half-baked idea is another person's germ of a brilliant idea. And the first rule of brainstorming (Kristi) is nothing gets rejected. [/quote]

Not only that, but a lot of Toral's ideas, including Blizzamarole, incorporated the name of the thing they were trying to brand. If they hadn't rejected them all out of hand, at least maybe it would have lead them to something connected with DQ. I think that part of what gave the guys the edge was that it was called the "Jennie the Blizzard Genie"
risingsun
The Blonde Coven doesn't appear to like anyone other than themselves. Toral is/was a legend in her own mind; however, they wasted a great deal of time and energy making sure she would be seen as the "the loser." They chose her to wear the costume for the purpose of humiliating her...and it worked. Of course she wouldn't do it. She never wanted to pledge their sorority in the first place. Toral needed to be fired, but the PM lost this task by not understanding what was required to win it.
Hamhock96
The second time around, I notice what someone mentioned upthread, that Toral was not an issue in the boardroom until she spoke up while Trump was grilling Felisha about the failure in the marketing task. Felisha was feeling the heat and Toral decides to step in and tell Donald what he already knows, that this team employed no known marketing strategy and that they were clueless about the point of the task. She explains that she knows these things and that, had she been allowed to contribute, she could have saved the day. Or something like that. But then the laser beam turned her way. If she had said nothing, as Dawn did on MS, then she would have survived maybe one more week. But she is truly, as also mentioned up thread, not very bright.
Sallins
Thank the Donald Toral is gone. I could not figure out what Rebecca was seeing in her, good thing Rebecca finally came to her sences and wanted to fire her too.

I didn't think that either of the characters were that great, if the women had put the DQ logo on the shirt like Jennifer had said, the results would have been a little closer. Toral should have been in the costume, I wanted to see her in the Zip character, since she has such a happy personality already ;)

James looks a little like Clive Owen to me.

The reward was fun to watch, the men got to be boys again and run around and play baseball. Doug Mentkiewicz... yum.
Madhoo
This was exactly what Toral did last week too - she brought up the technical difficulties the persenters were having, giving Marshawn the perfect opening to badger Toral with. Sometimes I wonder if the only reason Toral opens her mouth is to shove her foot in a little deeper.

Edited to clarify I am referring to Hamhock96's comment above
hapfish
Whenever I see someone so completely out of place on a reality show I wonder whether she somehow snowed the many layers of casting and production people who make the decisions or did they put her on the show precisely to watch the inevitable train wreck?
uranushertz

To the best of my knowledge, we have no idea what Toral's religion is. She could be a Mormon or a Muslim.[/quote]

We Mormons love costumes in any way, shape, or size. We are also known (generally, anyway) to be noncomplaining, hard workers, so nope, she's not one of us. Thank Heavens.
Cat Whisperer
During the brainstorming session I might have tossed out Blizarro (based the DC villain) or Frozone from The Incredibles. Loser ideas, and besides they aren't original characters.

Zip was original but truly stupid. Why in the ice cream world would "zip, zip, zipping" be relevant? Drip would have made more sense.

The task was stupid. So stupid that My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss used it. I rather liked the frog mascot of the girls' team, who was the corporate image of a manufacturer of hydro-cyanic acid.

I rather enjoy it when Kristi speaks up. Too bad Toral was fired, because this is probably the last time I get to hear her say "Toral" and "Felisha" in one show. Because of that twang, no Southern girl should be named "Felisha".
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