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sleazydinosaur

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:23 am

Toral deserved firing more than any past player, and that includes Omarosa.

Hm. I dunno about that. Toral hasn't claimed that someone referred to her with a racial slur.[/quote]

Good point, but lying is lying, and she lied up a storm in that boardroom. And who knows, she hasn't done the interview rounds yet, she might lie about that next.

tiggeril

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:29 am

It's not unprecedented, but just exactly how many 'investment bankers' are 29 year old undergrads? Sounds more like a business analyst, one of the cannon fodder types that plug and chug and run numbers for the real I-bankers before they go off to business school themselves.[/quote]
If you look at Toral's thread in the Current Apprentices forum, there's a link there to another board where people who allegedly know her have posted, and you're exactly right. She doesn't seem to have much management experience, if any at all, and her work experience appears to be limited to clerkships and analyst positions. Oh, and a Bollywood movie, so she's got some quality training in melodrama.

Edit: Here's the link to the other board. The opening post is this-

My wife and I both graduated from Columbia Business School in May 2002. Toral started with us but was kicked out after cheating on test numerous times. (Nobody ever fails from Business School as they considered all admitted candidates as future donors and she was kicked out!) The only thing legitimate about her Bio is that she graduated from UPenn in 1997 and worked at AMEX. She claimed to me se was in Marketing in 2003, but found out later she was a clerk.
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So... yeah.

Lanka

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:30 am

Toral probably thinks "Secretary Appreciation Day" is a chance for her secretary to tell Toral how much she appreciates being in her presence every day.[/quote]

I think Toral never had a secretary in her life. There are very few people at VP level that have secretaries.

I thought the same thing. He was on the phone, so it wasn't even as easy as raising a hand. The others would have had to speak up and actively draw attention to themselves saying "no, I don't want to give him an exemption." I do remember that after Markus was PM, Trump asked it in the other direction, in person - "does anyone think Markus should have an exemption" - and Randal, and I believe one other person, raised their hands. I do wonder, if he'd said this time, "Does anyone WANT to give Clay an exemption" - would all those who declined to vote *against* him tonight, have gone out of their way to speak up and vote *for* him?[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. Number one he phrased the question differently, number two it's much easier to raise your hand than to speak up. I thought that was absolutely unfair especially since I don't believe Clay deserved an exemption (at least no more than Markus did in the first ep). It seemed like the men won in spite of him rather than because of him.

Rowsdower, that's hilarious. Isn't there anything we can do about this whole "step up to the plate" business? It's almost like the contestants are mocking us... here we are saying how sick we are of the phrase, so they decide to use it as much as possible, every other word. Maybe someone should volunteer to go to the live finale and somehow let Trump and any future contestants know that we can't tolerate "step up to the plate" no more?

tiggeril

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:37 am

Good point, but lying is lying, and she lied up a storm in that boardroom. And who knows, she hasn't done the interview rounds yet, she might lie about that next.[/quote]
Yeah, I know. I can't be arsed to get up in time for her Today show appearance, but I'm thinking she's going to pull something out when she gets there.

Dispatcherbert

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:37 am

Toral's behavior was terrible but when she said she didn't want to wear the mascot costume for "personal reasons", I thought maybe her parents are old-school & they really would be unhappy with her presenting herself as an ugly izzy wannabe (I live in Atlanta and we all hated the stupid mascot - nobody ever asked us about it). I have a friend with parents like that who made her promise all kinds of things when she went to college because they felt like she was representing their nationality and should not give anyone bad impressions of their culture. So that may have been the issue with Toral but it really doesn't explain her extreme egotism.[/quote]

And had this been the reason, Toral should’ve said so, clearly, up front, instead of lying her lying head off later by saying that her antipathy toward wearing the costume was due to religious reasons. ::EYEROLL::

[Toral] got kicked out of Columbia Business School for cheating.[/quote]

That’s too fuckin’ precious! And how very apropos.

Randal reminded me of Boyfriend Bill from S1 in that he didn’t coast on his exemption (not that there were any of those in S1 when this was a better show). It was refreshing to see a PM from the previous week actually, you know, work.

Unfortunately, Toral will be back to fuck with whoever makes it to the Final Two. Gah!

henry518

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:39 am

Not getting the Marshawn appreciation. When she "stepped up" to take that question, she said the soft ice cream swirl in Zip's body is "obviously the shape of the, um, of the Blizzard." Um, no. You don't see that on a Blizzard, they make 'em in a blender or stirrer or whatever. Then she said that "they will definitely, if nothing else, recognize the DQ spoon." Which basically shines a big honking spotlight on the fact that there IS NOTHING ELSE! A spoon, hah![/quote]
I thought that DQ guy surprised them with that question. I got the impression that the girls weren’t expecting it but Marshawn was able to spin it at least to incorporate zip to Dairy Queen. Perhaps its a lame explaination but I got the impression that she was making it up on the spot and if she didn't say anything the team would just be standing there with a blank expression.

I thought it was interesting how Toral kept making motions of assurance toward Rebecca after Trump canned Toral. It was difficult to tell whether Toral still respected Rebecca and wanted to assure her that she was not going to hold a grudge after Rebecca turned on her, or if Toral was just grandstanding and merely exhibiting sour grapes, as if to say: "I didn't want win this anyway."[/quote]
I thought Toral was assuring Rebecca that it was okay and that she understood that Rebecca really had no choice in the matter.

I really don't have a problem with the blondes going after Toral. After all, it was Toral's strategy to sit back and wait for them to implode. Making Toral put on a mascot costume is simply a strategy to distrupt Toral's strategy.

JennaC

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:42 am

Robert Loblaw

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:46 am

=== "put some duct tape on it" was great - and Mark stepped up by volunteering to wear the costume. Unlike Tana... um, I mean Toral

=== but why did Mark have a boner in a room full of men?

Hoola

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:47 am

He was looking down and his gigantic breasts.

LadyKenobi

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:48 am

They lost because they did no market research, lacked the branding/logo presence and because their character looked like a giant fucking toaster with eyes.
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BWAH!

But has there ever been a GOOD mascot? In any capacity? Seriously. It's like they're designed to be creepy. Very large heads.

Robert Loblaw

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:52 am

Well if either mascot had been good, DQ would have introduced the mascot during the show tonite, like they used Kendra's brochure for the Solstice. I don't see any reference to any DQ or Blizzard mascot on their website.

And I love Blizzards, but ew... next time I order one I will be picturing the ice genie....

Cameltoes

Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:57 am

Even though she wasn't the reason for the loss, Toral had to go. She seems to think that she is already Carolyn and is there to judge everyone else as opposed to being a contributing member of the team. Her hubris was poison. That said, aside from Marshawn, this group of women is completely unimpressive. Now that Toral is gone, fingers can be appropriately pointed at the rest of this lackluster group.

Slump

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:01 am

Although I thought it was BS for the Blond Bombers to gang up on Toral the way they did, I can't feel any sympathy for Toral. She was very condescending to her, ahem, teammates and acted as if they weren't worthy enough to shine her shoes. How can you be happy when your team loses? Personally, I would do everything in my power to make sure we were successful, despite how I felt about my co-workers, and for that reason, I am happy that she is gone.

Clay, you abrasive tool, you better count your blessings that the women's idea was lame , or else you would've been riding in the cab of shame this week. What was with his, "I got bigger balls than you" schtick? I can't believe he got an exemption, when from the look of everything, they won in spite of him.

It was finally nice to see James and Adam this week. Now we'll see if Brian will follow suit.

Peg Amy

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:06 am

Oh, so gorgeous to see Toral fired. I kept thinking she couldn't make herself sound any more horrible, and yet every time she opened her mouth she managed to do so. And I don't think it mattered that she wasn't the reason for the loss because she sounded so delusional in the boardroom. She honestly might as well have started to insist that she was Teddy Roosevelt.

I do have a question about the guys' mascot, though. Is that Genie really supposed to be sexy? If a guy said to me that he was really turned on by Mark in that Genie costume, I'd be all, "Eddie Murphy, why are you even talking to me?"

tiggeril

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:21 am

But has there ever been a GOOD mascot? In any capacity? Seriously. It's like they're designed to be creepy. Very large heads.[/quote]
Yes, in fact, there has.

For the greatest baseball team ever.

sleazydinosaur

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:22 am

She honestly might as well have started to insist that she was Teddy Roosevelt.[/quote]

Oh my, that is hilarious, maybe it's because it's so late, but I'm not having a problem imagining her doing that, and imagining the confused look on Trumps face.

Robert Loblaw

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:26 am

OMG tiggeril - that biscuit with the butter "tongue" made me ROTFL

polka dots

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:38 am

It took me a few episodes, but I am now full on rooting for Marshawn. She reminds me a little of Kendra. Low-key, stays out of drama, but always contributes (that spoon answer in the meeting, as BS-y as it was, was brilliant) and does a great job. She's also stuck on a team that fights like crazed monkeys. Poor woman. I do hope they mix the teams next week so that Marshawn can work with some of the winning men.

LahLah:

I felt so uncomfortable watching them gang up on Toral. [/quote]

Yeah, I agree. God, I just wanted to fire ALL the damn women (except Marshawn and Rebecca). Toral was a gigantic asshat but damn where those blonde bitches just ganging up on her. Shut up, Kristi and Felisha. SHUT UP.

Okay, Jen M. wasn't that bad either. I think it's funny that she's even part of the blonde bitches group because she doesn't seem as stupid as the others. But I think the others accept her as part of their group because she's, like totally blonde y'all!! She's the only one in their little group that can think for herself. She made completely valid points. And I loved that she brought that up in the BR and the other blondes got that look on their face like a stinkface "What?!" Yeah, Toral's not the only one that has selective hearing. And I loved that Marshawn backed her up. Yeah, you fucking bitches. Take that.

FalseDmitri:

Rebecca is the Board Room Goddess. Man, she is good! [/quote]

Yup. ITA. She dominates the BR.

CaptainSnarky:

Frankly, I'd like a Rebecca/Marshawn/Randal team, but people getting along and being professional doesn't make for good ratings. [/quote]

Ooh, I like that. That would be a good final three.

Whatever cult is is that prays to the god of arrogant dishonesty.[/quote]Ohhh!! She's a Scientologist! [/quote]

Hee!

Lucy:

As it is, the only people on the girls' team that I'm still rooting for are Rebecca, Marshawn, and Jen. Marshawn and Jen are both willing to speak up and disagree with the Clique when they know the Clique is wrong. So, in the end: Rebecca is smart, articulate, willing to defend to the death what she believes in, yet able to suck it up and admit when she's been wrong. I like her. A lot.[/quote]

ITA. I'm rooting for Marshawn but I really wouldn't mind if Rebecca took this thing home either. She basically admitted she was wrong. Is she really on a reality show? Because that's just unheard of 'round these parts.

Hey, I thought the Genie was cool looking. I love her soft-serve hair. She would probably look far, far better on an actual woman, though. And with white face paint instead of a mask. [/quote]

I agree. The mask was a bit creepy. And did anyone else notice that when Mark took off the mask, he had body glitter on? Hee. The glitter probably came from the costume, but still. Loved it.

Bulldog:

Major points to Mark for being a good sport about it. I did wonder why they couldn't have hired a female model to wear the costume (no duct tape required!).[/quote]

It definitely would've made a lot more sense but I'm thinking that they probably just didn't have enough time to hire a female model. The DQ execs mentioned something about time constraints. It was easier for Mark (or whoever was in that little group) to just step up to the plate (at the end of the day...) and get measured right then and there so the designers could go ahead and start making the costume as soon as possible.

LolaLilaLilly:

So, at the end of the day you have to step up to the plate and hit one outside of the box.[/quote]

Can this just be like, the next glarkware shirt or something? It's brilliant.

Smushergirl:

I think Carolyn's got her eye on the Uniblondes for sure, but Toral's firing was the more immediate and pressing need. [/quote]

I agree. Those bitches are in her crosshairs and she's waiting for them to fuck up (which won't be a long wait) so that she can pull the trigger. And that will be a happy, happy day for me.

Cherry Wire

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:45 am

Was this episode sponsored by plate-steppers anonymous or what? The only thing they didn't show was footage of all the women sitting in their rooms practicing the line. "Step UP to the plate. Step up TO the plate. STEP up to the plate. Step up to THE plate."[/quote]

I kept hearing "eat s**t" instead of "step up to the plate". "Toral, it's time for you to eat s**t". "We need you to eat s**t". "She'd better eat s**t". Because that's exactly what they were trying to make her do with that whole "you're going to wear the costume" business. They pretty much figured they owned her at that point. Not that Toralrosa didn't deserve every bit of it.

Great episode, because the task was perfectly timed. A more serious, number-crunching-type task might have given Toralrosa a chance to do well enough to escape the heat. But instead, this one played to the other women's strengths, requiring personality, salesmanship, and the ability to not take oneself too seriously.

sugahoney77

Oct 14, 2005 @ 1:56 am

Okay, Jen M. wasn't that bad either. I think it's funny that she's even part of the blonde bitches group because she doesn't seem as stupid as the others. But I think the others accept her as part of their group because she's, like totally blonde y'all!! She's the only one in their little group that can think for herself. She made completely valid points. And I loved that she brought that up in the BR and the other blondes got that look on their face like a stinkface "What?!"[/quote]
It plays out so much worst in the yahoo videos. Felicia and Kristin in unison completely denied ever hearing that Jen suggested a logo shirt when obviously everyone was quiet and listening to her when she brought it up. Jen M seemed pretty annoyed afterwards and told Trump that she has sketches to prove it. That's when Marshawn backed her up. I really like Jen and I don't think she should be bunched up with those blonde bitches. And thank god for Marshawn because she is class.

Lead Magnet

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:02 am

A thought on the men's costume (and please correct me if this came up in their discussions, I didn't hear all of the dialog):

Were they trying to hide that they were using Mark as the model by using the mask? Because I thought the mask's appearance was pretty creepy too, but I was also curious to see what sort of reaction shot would have come from the DQ execs if they'd seen Mark's manly face with just white makeup on. ("It's a transvestite genie?")

But the men won, so all is moot...

skeevo666

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:08 am

Does Pavitr Prabhakar, the Indian Spider-Man, wear a costume?

You bet your sweet Brahma he does!

Lisetta

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:16 am

Toral's ridiculous refusal to "embarrass" herself by wearing the silly, but innocuous, cartoon costume was even more ridiculous when compared with Mark's total willingness to dress up as a kind of "I Dream of Jeannie" with mask/wig, including boobs.

Yes, Rebecca was better this week, but I still dislike her. I think her demeanor was just better because, for the moment, she'd been humbled in front of Trump by Toral's complete failure to improve or get along.

Jen M made a good try at presenting a very lousy idea. I missed parts of this, but actually liked Kristi's toughness in confronting Toral about her negative attitude toward the team and shirking the work. She chipped away at Toral's pedestal and it made some good, forceful, points. (Still don't like Kristi, though).

I don't know if Marshawn has any great ideas, but she's certainly articulate and doesn't seem arrogant or bitchy--which, imo, pretty much puts her at the top of the team.

intrepide

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:22 am

Toral should have been fired, not for refusing to wear the costume, but for the piss-poor connection between her strategy and her actions. Her stated strategy was to let "the rest of [the women] implode," but she seriously misunderstood how to execute it.

You let others go for the glory. You do grunt work, do it efficiently, quietly and well. You work to avoid attention of any kind. You raise your concerns and offer your ideas, and if shot down, follow the moron who's PM.

As others have posted upthread, this is also the best way to shut up people who are trying to corner you, smile and genuinely say, "Yes, Ma'am."

You do not: do nothing, wing it (TIVO demo last week), and flatly decline requests and refuse orders. No wonder she was a monumental disaster in the boardroom--eejit's got no sense of people, strategy, tactics, or just the sense of when to shut her mouth.

Miss Quail

Oct 14, 2005 @ 2:28 am

Jen M made a good try at presenting a very lousy idea.[/quote]
Most of which, it seems, was hers. She designed ol' Zip, who ended up looking like a deranged gas station attendant. Energetic energy, indeed.

Batrochides

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:07 am

If they had to have a reward connected to baseball, a better one would have had Randall Simon take a bat to both of those walking nightmares.

No, Toral acts didn't lose the task...but since the real reasons of the loss were excreable concept and absence of corporate ID on the mascot, Felisha herself was only responsible in general terms as these weren't the result of "I'm making an executive decision as PM" and no one else on the team voiced objection...even Marshawn couldn't explain why the DQ logo on a t-shirt idea wasn't followed through.

Toral, however, proved herself to be an eminently incompetent team player and had utterly no talent in picking up signals from her prospective boss. After the pranging by Trump in the previous task, Toral should have realized that any previous strategy of staying down low and waiting for her competition to self-destruct was no longer feasible; she ought to have fought tooth and nail for the (possibly only) opportunity to be PM. Even if the rest of Coven Lite put their collective feet down and refused to allow her to be PM, she could have brought this fact up in a boardroom as exculpatory evidence of conspiracy. Instead, it looked like her refusal to fight for the PM spot was based on either misplaced pride and an unwillingness to debase herself in a "demeaning" project, or because she'd actually have to prove her mettle and possibly fall on her Wharton-educated face in front of her alleged inferiors. Ditto for the refusal to wear the costume...sure, it was a deliberate attempt by the Blonde Harpies to humilate Toral, but if she had accepted the assignment she could at least claim that she was a true team player.

Toral, Toral, Toral...bombs awaaaaaaay!

polka dots

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:07 am

Jen M made a good try at presenting a very lousy idea.[/quote]

You know, I'm kind of surprised that Jen was the one presenting because isn't it usually the PM that does the presentations? Although, it does make sense for the person who came up with the idea (or the majority of it) to do the presentation or to use a person who's a good presenter (which, on TA, is as rare as a good hair day for The Donald). But Jen M? Kinda sucked. Zip! Zip!

KerleyQ

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:31 am

Genny the Genie should totally be the Burger Kings girlfriend.
[/quote]

Seriously, that thing creeped me out just as much as the BK guy. It was all I could think about during the show--when I wasn't rocking back and forth, covering my eyes waiting for it to go away.

Toral just brought new levels of self-important bitchiness to the proceedings tonight. First, she admits to the camera that her strategy was to hold back and wait for everyone else to implode. It's certainly a valid strategy, but not at all what she was doing. And, once you're called by Trump on it? You need to give that shit up and do something. At least for a week. Instead, she tells the women she's planning on showing them what she can do and getting involved in the next task. Which lasted until it was time to pick a PM "Well, gee, I really wanted to step up and take this on for you ladies, but I don't have any advertising experience. So, I guess if there is NO ONE else who would want to do it, I guess, I kind of could, sort of. Anyone? Oh, OK, Felicia, if that's what everyone wants, I guess you can do it." Even Rebecca, at that point, was like "Excuse me?" Rebecca had to feel like 10 kinds of shit after getting backed up against a wall because of her loyalty to this bitch.

And I love how she had to keep trying on new ideas for excuses to not do shit. It's embarassing. It's demeaning. It's cultural. It's spiritual. It would shame my family. It's 2 minutes in a fucking mascot costume to land a job you presumably want a whole hell of a lot. If your family would be that easily shamed, your ass was already shaming them just by being on a reality show. So shut it. I so want to see a shot of Carolyn watching Toral say "If Mr. Trump told Carolyn to wear a mascot costume, she'd tell him to take a hike." Carolyn probably wants to call her at home now, just to tell bitch to never try to speak for her again. And was she really, honestly, trying to equate herself to Carolyn? Hell no. Toral, honey? You aren't fit to be Carolyn's administrative assistant.

Overall, satisfying fire. I was even begging, as the boardroom started "Please fire her without even doing a final boardroom. Fire her ass in front of the whole team." And he did it.

Obladi

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:39 am

I do wonder, if he'd said this time, "Does anyone WANT to give Clay an exemption" - would all those who declined to vote *against* him tonight, have gone out of their way to speak up and vote *for* him?[/quote]

If they felt he had been a bad PM they should have voted against an exemption no matter what the phrasing was, unless they are spineless. Krusty voted against an exemption a few weeks ago and she hasn't been fired yet. Maybe they realized Clay had most of the right ideas even if his attitude sucked. I thought the new jingle and all the other ideas added on at the last minute were a distraction, close to when they overthought the car task a few weeks ago. I think he was right to stick to the mascot and not all the other details even if the mascot was semi creepy.

blocked writer

Oct 14, 2005 @ 3:43 am

What happened to Randal's song? The guys were so excited by it, I thought it would be a part of the presentation. Did they decide just singing a capella would be too unpolished, and didn't have time to find any musicians?

The editing on this show really sucks, because it wouldn't take very long to for someone to mention what happened. I hate when they spotlight something, then just drop it.

Toral was one of the sweetest firings ever. So many bad things to choose from, but being glad you team lost? The bitch deserved to be fired for that alone.

As others have said, her religious defense was just a lame excuse. I have respect for someone who is serious about their religious beliefs, not just as something to use when it is convenient. If that was really Toral's reason, it would have been the first thing out of her mouth. What an ass she was to try to pull that excuse at the last minute.

However, Felisha should have dropped it after she was turned down. Saying she was going to force Toral to do it showed what a poor leader she was. Why would she want a reluctant person inside the mascot suit? Even without being seen, the person is required to do some minimal "acting." Toral would likely have been as much of a downer as the mascot as she was in real life. But Felisha will get hers. She was a horrible PM, and her days are numbered.

Obladi

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:03 am

Oscirus

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:32 am

The exact opposite of apprentice one , the men are using sex appeal and the women are duds.

Regardless of how annoying Toral was Felisha should have been fired. Me thinks that alla should be seen asociating herself with two people who the only reason that they are still there is because they had walking disasters go into the boardrooms with them.
Contrary to popular belief Marshawn is just as bad as the blondes when it comes to blaming people ( want proof look at her time as project manager and the way she set her project up), which is pretty stupid of her being that she is next on the list. I need to see the men under stress to actually find out how cool they are, however clay is a little B . Jen M wil be the next one to go.

beezer

Oct 14, 2005 @ 4:48 am

"Rigamarole". But it's a woooooooord, people! If you weren't imbeciles you'd know that!!! Um, yes. I think they all know very well it's a word. It's also a shitty excuse for a cartoon character. [/quote]
She actually said 'blizzamarole,' which not only isn't an actual word but makes no earthly sense as an invented combo word.

I don't think Toral is near as bright as she believes herself to be, which, I know, considering she seems to think she's the brightest person on the planet... But there's just nothing. She's shown nothing but snottiness. I think it's ok to be arrogant if you have some reason, she's got nothing.

Even if she does have some specific religious tenet prohibiting dressing up like ice cream, which I just don't believe, I think, as they said, if she'd said 'I'm sorry but in my religion, costuming is not permissable...' they wouldn't have argued. She seriously hasn't seemed to me to want to do... anything. Everything is beneath her, but she hasn't demonstrated that she's above anything.

I thought the genie could actually work. If they had her spinning out of a cup in a commercial, they could do a lot of tie-in promo stuff, scratch-offs, see if you uncover the genie and get whatever. A better-executed costume, soft-serve hair, I don't think it was unworkable, ice cream is often silly it seems, what with the CookiePuss and all.

I absolutely do not blame Toral for not stepping up to be PM for this task and further do not blame her for not wanting to wear that stupid costume. Because honestly? This was The Dumbest Task Ever.[/quote]
It doesn't seem much different to me than a bunch of other tasks they've done - the instant coffee comes to mind as particularly doomed - but it shouldn't have mattered to her. She signed on to be on the show, she should have stepped up regardless IMO. She says at one point she's glad "they" lost. I don't think she ever considered herself part of the team, because she thought she was better than all of them.

And after all that, no one mentioned there's no DQ anyplace near NYC, which I thought was really funny.

Oh, and best mascot ever - the NY Islander's drunken, bearded guy, Nyles.

cristobal

Oct 14, 2005 @ 5:32 am

I don't like mascots. They remind me of clowns and I'm afraid of clowns.

I'm deeply conflicted on last night's firing. Zip was hideous, had no in your face branding and, like the DQ guys said, was only appropriate for little kids. And since Coven Lite (tm Batrochides, I think) did not appear to allow the brunettes any real participation in the task, at least per the editing, the loss was pretty much all their fault, save Jen M who wanted more obvious branding. Choosing Toral as mascot knowing she'd say no thanks does not count as being inclusive participation. They were obviously counting on the "no."

That said, Toral had a moral responsibility to step up to the plate with this task. Rebecca put her ass on the line for her. She had to have known that the Viceroys were also looking at her to, at the very least, be a team player. Her saying, essentially, "Well, even though I know nothing about branding, advertising, marketing, etc, I'll do it if you really, really want me to and nobody else is willing and I absolutely have to," doesn't exactly count as offering herself up as PM either.

I hated Toral more and more as the episode wore on and am glad she's gone, but I still don't see her as the reason for the loss. She so clearly screwed herself in the boardroom that it would have been impossible for anyone but her to be fired.

You know what must be the worst job in the world? Being Toral's assistant.

Luckily for Toral she will no longer have to deal with all these dreadful, stupid, lazy, shiftless women who just aren't worthy of her. H-A-T-E!!!!!

Clay - he so reminds me of that little, chubby, elderly gay guy from Will & Grace. While I found his PM demeanor very abrasive, he was able to keep them entirely on point, and they won, so no real hate directed his way this ep., even though really is a jerk, isn't he?

And after all that, no one mentioned there's no DQ anyplace near NYC, which I thought was really funny.

[/quote]

So true. They're all gone. The closest thing we have are Mr. Softee trucks and they're just not the same thing. I miss Dairy Queen.

BetJo

Oct 14, 2005 @ 5:37 am

She still thinks she's better than the rest of the women and that she was "too good" for the show/Trump.[/quote]

At first it appeared that Toral was being "ganged up on", and she was; but I think the girls were aware of her "I'm better than you" attitude and knew that she would never be an asset to the team. And they were right.

Toral didn't cause the team to lose this assignment, but the fact that her attitude was pulling the team down was reason enough for her to go.

She is supposed to appear on this morning's Today Show on NBC. It will be interesting to see if she brings the same attitude.

I am soooo glad she is gone.

tone

Oct 14, 2005 @ 6:16 am

Genny the Genie should totally be the Burger Kings girlfriend. [/quote] Seriously, that thing creeped me out just as much as the BK guy.[/quote]The BK mascot creeps me out more. Especially in the commercial where he comes up to the window of someone's house. I'd shit my pants if that was my window. And if those two could have children? *shudder

I don't think these folks have seen a DQ commercial lately. DQ has put out some very funny commercials. The one the I will always remember is the one with the father and the baby in the carrier. It's the one where the baby manages to kick him in the nuts, and then head bobs him. It's too bad they didn't think to tie into the humour aspect of what DQ has already done. It would have shown the DQ execs that they did their homework.

I guess it's a safe bet we won't be seeing the winning creation in a commercial anytime soon.

As I am writing this, I am saddened by the fact that winter is approaching, and the neighbourhood DQ has now closed until spring. *sigh

Flootoona

Oct 14, 2005 @ 6:32 am

I dream of Genny the Genie with the Soft Serve Hair.

Obladi

Oct 14, 2005 @ 6:34 am

The one the I will always remember is the one with the father and the baby in the carrier. It's the one where the baby manages to kick him in the nuts, and then head bobs him.[/quote]

Nothing makes me want to eat ice cream like getting kicked in the balls.

No wonder they had to go on Apprentice to get customers.

Flootoona

Oct 14, 2005 @ 6:45 am

Genny the Genie should totally be the Burger Kings girlfriend.[/quote]

Seriously, that thing creeped me out just as much as the BK guy.[/quote]

The BK mascot creeps me out more. Especially in the commercial where he comes up to the window of someone's house. I'd shit my pants if that was my window. And if those two could have children? *shudder[/quote]

That and... Meatnormous. [topic] It's the Blizzamarole of fast food adjectives. [/topic]

TheLady2

Oct 14, 2005 @ 6:57 am

Toral, your fired. Bless you Donald and thank you.

Midnightmom

Oct 14, 2005 @ 7:02 am

For some reason the Dairy Queen mascot the women picked out looked like Izzy, the Atlanta Olympic mascot.[/quote]
And "Izzy" was created by a bunch of 6th graders!

I disliked how the four (three?) blondes badgered Toral about wearing the costume. Once it was clear Toral wouldn't do it they should have moved on.

It was easier for Mark (or whoever was in that little group) to just step up to the plate (at the end of the day...) and get measured right then and there so the designers could go ahead and start making the costume as soon as possible.[/quote][/quote]
It bugged me too that they wasted all that time. If you're pressed for time, you don't ALL get into a taxi and go back to the rest of the team to try to talk a reluctant 'teammate' (I use the word loosely) into donning the mascot suit. Oh, wait--she can't don the suit yet because it hasn't been made--because no one has been measured for it yet!!!!

And while it cannot be said enough how embarrassing these bitches are to real women in business, the men are not exempt from my wrath. As for Clay, I'd tell him where he could shove his "conditions". [/quote]
What? Were they begging him on hands and knees to be the PM this task? Was he the one and only person capable of leading them to a victory with this task? I don't 'get' how Clay got to get away with being so ass-hole-ish.

Second edit - yeah, luvrhino, what was up with the cheese tray Team Spreadsheet brought in? It's like they were coasting off of being master caterers from last week.[/quote]
Maybe they were serving leftovers from the Expo?!?!?!?!?!? *grin*

I think the exemption is the result of TD switching the phrasing of the question from "Raise your hand if you think X deserves the exemption" which is how it was with Randal and Markus to this week's "Raise your hand if you don't think that Clay deserves the exemption". Kinds of puts the first person to raise their hand in an awkward postion. I would bet that if he stuck to the original phrasing, no one would have raised their hand to give Clay one. He was a real dick to his team and I think they won despite him, not because of him. [/quote]
Had it been tele-conferenced so TD could've asked the familiar question and count raised hands Clay probably would not have gotten the exemption.

BTW-Our DQ is open year round. They also sell hamburgers, FF, etc.

RevLovejoy

Oct 14, 2005 @ 7:19 am

Man, this ep was a cavalcade of asshattery.

Clay was so not the reason the men won the task, and I was very surprised he was given the exemption. Boy has serious issues with control, and since he was so over the top on Ep 1 about how he is Gay and the others will just have to deal with it, makes me think he's overcompensating a bit. He's not long for this game, and has a much smaller margin of error than any other guy on that team.

Toral, while not the reason for the loss of her team, is such a complete knucklehead that she had to go. I don't think she was setup by the blonde coven - she could have completely thwarted them by simply going along with whatever they suggested, thus taking away any potential boardroom ammo. Alas, she is just too much of a hard headed smug elitist to lower herself to being told what to do by "secretaries" (BTW, isn't Alla worth like, boatloads of cash, and could buy and sell Toral?).

Too very satisfying Burnett firings/vote outs tonight, with Blake getting the boot on Survivor as well. (Spoiler tagged for those who Tivo'd, but haven't watched yet).

Rebecca - you're getting better every week. I think Trump is already taking a shine to her and I would be shocked if she isn't at least in the Final Four.

I absolutley love it when Trumpy waves his hands after the firing and says "Out! Go on!"

blocked writer

Oct 14, 2005 @ 7:33 am

Contrary to popular belief Marshawn is just as bad as the blondes when it comes to blaming people ( want proof look at her time as project manager and the way she set her project up), which is pretty stupid of her being that she is next on the list.[/quote]

This doesn't make any sense to me. Marshawn organized her task to win. She delegated well, and although she may have been a bit too hands-off for some, she won. Had someone failed their part of the task and been called to account for it that's reasonable, totally unlike Felisha insisting that Toral wear the suit. What is Marshawn next on the list for - to be fired? I don't think so, specially after she stepped in and attempted to save the presentation while the rest of the team stood there gaping (or smirking, in Toral's case). She'd have to really mess up to be fired, cause I don't see her on the bubble right now.

Jen M. wil be the next one to go.[/quote]

Wait. I thought Marshawn was next on the list. Okay, I'm totally confused now.

blueguy

Oct 14, 2005 @ 7:40 am

she got kicked out of Columbia Business School for cheating[/quote]

Somehow I,m not surprised. But, where did you get this information?

ellisbell

Oct 14, 2005 @ 7:44 am

In lukewarm defense of Toral, I can imagine her eager and excited about being on The Apprentice (as a networking opportunity if nothing else) only to find as her very first official action having to run on a golf course to get to a helicopter first, and then saying to herself, What the hell am I doing here?

Possibly her body stayed on the show, but her mind quit at that very moment.

I channel flip during commercials and thus I didn't see any of Randall's grandmother's funeral, but people commented on the inappropriateness of it, blaming The Apprenctice. Randall (and his family) allowed those cameras there (assuming they were), and thus Randall allowed the show to control his family life.

Maybe Toral wasn't willing to make that trade. Maybe she simply misread the nature of The Apprentice when she first signed on for it, and then found it to be a series of deliberately embarassing incidents that she wanted no part of.

Kaylee529533

Oct 14, 2005 @ 7:49 am

ellisbell, you may be right. Toral wasn't the reason they lost, but she had to be fired because she basically refused to participate in the whole endeavor--you can't have that.

The women should have branded DQ more prominently, but I don't think that Marshawn's red spoon answer was bs--I think of DQ when I see spoons like that.

musichic2000

Oct 14, 2005 @ 8:01 am

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RevLovejoy

Oct 14, 2005 @ 8:02 am

ellisbell, you may be right. Toral wasn't the reason they lost, but she had to be fired because she basically refused to participate in the whole endeavor--you can't have that.[/quote]

Not only that, she said she was "happy" her team lost! While it wasn't brought up in the BR, I'm sure that footage made its way to Trump and the Viceroys. At the very least, I'm surprised nobody picked up on her smug smile after the decision was announced by the DQ guys.

tres francaise

Oct 14, 2005 @ 8:04 am

Maybe she simply misread the nature of The Apprentice when she first signed on for it, and then found it to be a series of deliberately embarassing incidents that she wanted no part of.[/quote]

It's indeed entirely possible, given that she has no earthly idea how to work a remote, that she hadn't watched the show previously & only found out after taping began what she was in for. HOWEVER, the least she could have done was to behave in a civilized manner to her teammates even if she'd mentally checked out. She has no excuses. None. Hopefully her family members watched, & somewhere in Philly/NY, are reaming her a new one.

auntiemame

Oct 14, 2005 @ 8:04 am

I kept waiting for someone to step up to the plate at the end of the day and leverage synergies to find solutions. But, nothing.

Okay, Toral is a deluded ass, but the Heathers? Incompetent. Seriously. Pathetic and mediocre. IMO they're kind of people you would never want to hang out with or encounter in daily life, much less hire for your yooge collection of yooge companies that are always yoogely toeing the line of Chapter 11, because those bitches will just push your nearly-insolvent ass over the edge. Toral is crazy, but sister has a point.

It's weird because, while many rational people would find Toral hateful, crazy underperforming Heathers Apprenti do as well. So what does this mean? That the Heathers are feasibly human? (Nah). Or that there's a little bit of Heathers in all of us?

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