There she was, being a brilliant banker, respected by all, when she was forced, forced I tell you, probably at gunpoint, to be on this degrading gameshow![/quote]
You completely beat me to it! I was thinking the same kind of thing during her taxi scene. All this talk about preserving her dignity, she MUST have been forced to appear on this game show with all of these losers.
As far as the firing, I certainly do believe that the project manager was the main reason for the loss on this particular week. I also have zippo respect for the Kristis, who put much more energy into "getting" Toral than into winning the task. However, I agree with the woman who said that when someone doesn't participate, they aren't part of the loss, but they don't contribute anything toward a win either. That is why, IMO, Toral was fire-able this week. Her strategy of doing nothing to win just so that the "others" on her team would be seen as failures, and so that she (somehow) would be the last woman standing was incredibly unprofessional. I'm certain that's JUST what Trump wants in his organization, someone who won't try to stop a trainwreck that will lose Trumpy millions, because they're hoping everyone else will look bad after the failure. If you have something to offer to turn around a potential trainwreck, then THAT'S how you stand out above all others. You don't stand still, watching others fall and take the company down with them, with the hope that your "no contribution" will put you higher in comparison. That's a fake-out sccam someone with no skill, competence, or leadership would try to pull.
Toral, that someone is you, and that deserves a firing.
I could not stop thinking that they were not serious about pitching such a sexist symbol in the year 2005. [/quote]
I didn't have too much trouble with the Genie. seemed kind of a WonderWomanesque figure to me. I kind of think for catch phrase purposes, the Blizzard Wizard would have been catchier. He would have brought the magical sense, could had a kind of friendly grandfatherly presence, could have had soft-serve hair and a softserve beard. Don't know if he'd have the same appeal to teens as a WonderWoman figure might have to boys (for one reason) and girls (for another) though.
Lanka
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:39 pm
I could not stop thinking that they were not serious about pitching such a sexist symbol in the year 2005. I can't belive no one even MENTIONED the implications of presenting a genie/female slave figure as a potential mascot for a company. I actually thought it was going to lose the men the task. But the DQ execs didn't say anything about it.
[/quote]
I somehow think if both judges were female they would have hated the men's blow-up doll genie more than Zip. Zip had it's problems but I think if they fixed some of them, it could be turned to a quite attractive mascot. I always thought that mascots in stores usually attract the kiddie crowd a lot more than the teens anyway.
tres francaise
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:39 pm
I'm not sure about all the Rebecca-love. Last week she was PM & the team lost, & a good case could be made that her lack of oversight where both the planning & one demo were involved was the reason. Okay, she was articulate in the boardroom in defending both Toral & herself, but this ep shows that she totally misjudged her (former?) BFF. So, she's a less than great PM & a poor judge of character. Does she deserve to be a finalist?
When Carolyn visited the gals' brainstorming session, she commented on the Heathers' isolating Toral; wonder why she didn't bring that up in the boardroom?
Bassari99
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:42 pm
I thought it was interesting how Toral kept making motions of assurance toward Rebecca after Trump canned Toral. It was difficult to tell whether Toral still respected Rebecca and wanted to assure her that she was not going to hold a grudge after Rebecca turned on her, or if Toral was just grandstanding and merely exhibiting sour grapes, as if to say: "I didn't want win this anyway." Toral was definitely unnerved by getting fired. That defensive nose-held-high-in the-air posture she adopted while heading to the cab to nowhere was certainly revealing of her true feelings.
LolaLilaLilly
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:46 pm
What impressess me most about Rebecca is she can totaly play the boardroom which, frankly, probably matters more than task itself.
Let's face it, if she wins she's not exactly going to be holding alot of Tethno Expos in retirement homes, she's probably going to be dealing with alot of people, being in meetings, and even be in situations where being inflexable will play to her advantage.
The girl may have sucked as PM last week, but she rocks the boardroom like no other, and looks great doing it!
So, at the end of the day you have to step up to the plate and hit one outside of the box.
vitaminc
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:47 pm
Man these boards move quick! Trying. To. Keep. Up......
Genny the Genie should totally be the Burger Kings girlfriend.
Hate Toral! Not Omarosa hate, yet. But still hate.
charma
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:48 pm
Rebecca didn't feel humiliated about Toral. She saw which way the wind was blowing in that boardroom and made a conscious decision to save herself.
Felisha should have definitely went home this week. How can you market something and not even advertise the product you're trying to market?...Duh.
I'm about done again with this show. What the hell does Donald dressing up on SNL have to do with him hiring an executive? Granted, that executive wouldn't have been Toral but SNL is a comedy show, Donald and apparently so is The Apprentice. The DQ people didn't like the suit, regardless of who had worn it. That was the point, that lost the task. Toral had a moment of good sense to go against the suit and again Donald is firing because the other girls don't like you.
People only like you Donald because you're rich.
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BibiBella
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:49 pm
When Carolyn visited the gals' brainstorming session, she commented on the Heathers' isolating Toral; wonder why she didn't bring that up in the boardroom? [/quote]
Maybe she did but it got cut in the editing...and that's perhaps because it was a moot point by then.
Toral had already lost credibility with everyone (except Rebecca) with her unbelievably elitist, condescending attitude and Carolyn knew that being isolated or not, Toral was not going to make it much longer.
With that kind of attitude, I do wish she had been around long enough to be the PM -- just to see her own elitism do her in since you can't lead a team if they know you can't stand them.
stopeslite
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:51 pm
I finally figured out what the guys' mascot reminded me of! It's a geisha wearing the Miss Appear superhero outfit most recently spotted on Sandy Cheeks (although there in purple rather than red), from the SpongeBob International Justice League of Super Acquaintances.
Yes, I have a five-year old, why do you ask?
stopeslite
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:52 pm
Shoot, am too lame to do link tags. Sorry. I don't deserve to be Toral's secretary!
LolaLilaLilly
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:52 pm
The DQ people didn't like the suit, regardless of who had worn it. That was the point, that lost the task.[/quote]
Sometimes, it seems, the Boardroom isn't always about who/what lost the task, but who's the worst player.
What's her name sucked because, yes, she didn't but the Corportate Logo on the character, and the character was stupid and niche, didn't appeal to their targert demo, yadda-yadda marketing-cakes.
But, in the end, Toral was a disaster. She didn't step up, she lied and spun half truths int he BR, and such. So she deserved to go.
Not because she lost the task for them, but because she's not a worthy enough player.
Smushergirl
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:54 pm
I think Carolyn's got her eye on the Uniblondes for sure, but Toral's firing was the more immediate and pressing need. To say that your strategy is for your team to lose repeatedly was reason enough.
And I don't think Jenn M. is very articulate. Someone else should be presenting: Marshawn or Rebecca.
inanna
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:53 pm
Not to give her any excuses, but I can understand Toral not being completely open about her reasons for wearing the mascot if there is a religious or cultural basis. When you are a minority and you want to fit in, whether at school or in business (and let's face it, the business world is fairly conservative with WASPish tendencies), you don't want to bring attention to the things that set you apart.
I am of Indian heritage, but I am not Hindu. I'm not aware of any tenets of the religion that prevent wearing costumes, but I'm not an expert on the Hindu religion. Perhaps there is a religious or cultural basis for Toral's decision. I have several Hindu friends, and all of them practice slightly different tenets. They may not be rooted in the religion, but it is hard to determine where the religious dictates end and the cultural norms begin. Toral pointed out that wearing the costume would bring shame to her family, but she would be willing to do hard work that might be considered degrading or low by Western standards (cleaning bathrooms).
That said, Toral did display a seriously negative attitude. Yet, I still think Felicia should have been fired for the more flagrant failures of the team (lack of logos being the most obvious).
I wish that Toral listened to what was being said in the boardroom. Marshawn gave her an out. She pointed out that Toral was marginalized, and as such, could not be held responsible for the loss, or take credit if there was a victory. Toral could have springboarded off that and made a stronger case for herself since it was clear that the blondies were doing the junior high/passive agressive thing that girls sometimes do. They went for the jugular to undermine Toral's self esteem. Nothing Toral offered would have been accepted by them.
tiggeril
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:59 pm
With that kind of attitude, I do wish she had been around long enough to be the PM -- just to see her own elitism do her in since you can't lead a team if they know you can't stand them.[/quote]
I would have seen that as an indictment of the rest of the team. You don't always work with people you like. I mean, how many of us like our bosses? If they couldn't work effectively with someone they hated, that would highlight their unprofessionalism as well as Toral's ineptitude.
I am of Indian heritage, but I am not Hindu. I'm not aware of any tenets of the religion that prevent wearing costumes, but I'm not an expert on the Hindu religion. Perhaps there is a religious or cultural basis for Toral's decision.[/quote]
There isn't. And frankly, Toral's family, if they were going to be shamed, would have been shamed by her going on the show in the first place.
Fire Starter
Oct 13, 2005 @ 10:59 pm
I wish that Toral listened to what was being said in the boardroom. Marshawn gave her an out. She pointed out that Toral was marginalized, and as such, could not be held responsible for the loss, or take credit if there was a victory. Toral could have springboarded off that and made a stronger case for herself [/quote]
I don't remember exactly what Marshawn said but I know she didn't say that Toral was marginalized. Marshawn was criticizing Toral for being useless.
In any case, Toral was not "marginalized" unless you count marginalizing herself. She herself said that her "strategy" was to do little or nothing.
[Snipped an "Ummm..." but left the attitude. Chill, please.]
n00b
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:01 pm
Why would you even want her as the mascot?[/quote]Because that costume was completely degrading and they could have all had a good laugh at Toral's expense? I mean, not that I don't enjoy a good laugh at Toral's expense, but that was seriously the only reason they wanted her to do it. They knew either she would do it, and they could mock her for it, or she wouldn't, and they could have her fired.[/quote]
Totally disagree. It's not like they were planning for their costume to be an embarrassment or something to mock, they were trying to come up with something DQ would like. No matter what the outfit ended up being, they knew that Toral would refuse because she's just sooooo above doing that kind of thing. After Toral's behavior last week, I wouldn't blame the girls for anything they decided to put her through this week, she's a disgusting human being.
I think maybe those DQ guys actually had something riding on this. The looks on their faces when watching Zip were priceless. The guy on the left went totally pale, lips tightly pursed, and looked like he was thinking, "Oh my God, I am so royally screwed." You can literally see his temples pulsing when the presenter asked "Who is Zip?" Dude on the right kept swallowing nervously while trying to seem upbeat. Loved that.
To me the costume looked like something out of those racially insensitive cartoons from the first half of last century. Black background, huge white eyes, and giant red lips. Simply atrocious.
Not getting the Marshawn appreciation. When she "stepped up" to take that question, she said the soft ice cream swirl in Zip's body is "obviously the shape of the, um, of the Blizzard." Um, no. You don't see that on a Blizzard, they make 'em in a blender or stirrer or whatever. Then she said that "they will definitely, if nothing else, recognize the DQ spoon." Which basically shines a big honking spotlight on the fact that there IS NOTHING ELSE! A spoon, hah!
And on a side note, lmao koomaster lmao!
FutonPotato
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:08 pm
somehow think if both judges were female they would have hated the men's blow-up doll genie more than Zip. Zip had it's problems but I think if they fixed some of them, it could be turned to a quite attractive mascot. I always thought that mascots in stores usually attract the kiddie crowd a lot more than the teens anyway.[/quote]
I thought the same thing! The women on the DQ creative staff didn't look too thrilled when presented with the genie-with-big-jugs idea, and I wouldn't have been either. Jesus, boys, get out of the eighth grade locker room much? I kept waiting for them to say "Boobies!" and drool.
And what the hell does a genie have to do with DQ anyhow? I thought it was a weird stretch. And an ugly costume. And no, boys, wearing a mascot costume does not make you a drag queen. Really underwhelmed by this bunch of losers. (Yes, I feel bitter today.)
As an early poster mentioned, that jingle sure sounded like the Dreidel song to me too.
RhondaGC
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:09 pm
Dear Toral,
I've met Carolyn, and you, my dear, are no Carolyn!
Sincerely,
RhondaGC
Gawd! I hated her before, but her smugly superior speech after they lost about how the other women didn't do good analysis of the brand and how they've now been taught a lesson was the absolute last straw for me. It might not have bugged so much if Toral had actually, oh, I don't know . . . done something herself! If the brand analysis was so important then why didn't she do the analysis and present it to the team? Or try to suggest that they do some research? Or do anything except sit there and act like God's gift to business? Honestly, she may be worse, single-handedly, than the last two seasons of women put together. And that's saying something.
But I did almost cackle outloud with her "balloon and cheese tray" speech. Hee hee! That was one great delusional rant, right there!
Oh, and my love for Marshawn grows by the week. She gave by far the most well-thought-out and well-spoken part of the presentation. I really hope she wins. I also like Felisha after tonight; she handled Toral quite well, I thought.
Did either team actually do any kind of research into the Blizzard brand and what their target market is? If so they didn't show us. That seems kinda like the very first thing you'd want to do.
And if someone had used the expression "step up to the plate" one more time, I swear I was gonna smack them. Although I kinda gained some respect for Christi tonight. At least she says what she thinks to your face instead of just spreading it behind your back.
Finally, I thought both the costumes sucked.
Trader Joe
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:14 pm
Im going to have nightmares about that Farrah Fawcett Hairdoo on the icecream lady. Mark (?) did have a cute butt in that outfit tho.
Another thought or two , we know the cultural/religion thing was BS on Toral's part. What did she REALLY not want to wear it? They would have totally sabatoged the task if she had PM'd, so she was doomed either way.
Juliebijoux
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:14 pm
For someone so consumed with appearances and her level in her profession, she doesn't seem to realize that the cameras are capturing her negativity and snobbishness. Everyone from her dry cleaner to future employers are seeing this side of her. So, any guesses that she'll cry "bad editing"?[/quote]
I agree, PJ3422. I cannot see Toral being employable in the future. What company would want to be associated with someone so openly despicable? "Oh, Mr. So and So, this is Toral; she'll be handling this account. Oh dear, I see you've brought an administrative assistant with you..."
Talk about bad branding...she's clueless about the most basic skill of reality tv: how to market your own damn self. [/quote]
Does anybody think that Toral went on this show to purposely be the "hated" characted or the one to be remembered? But in the end her real half-assed personality brought her down? She couldn't pull off the ultimate "I'm better than you" persona. That person would have totally loved to be PM. I feel like her quotes about hiring the Heathers as admin. assts. were just paper tiger threats and in the end she didn't actually like having to do anything. At least if she were the PM she could pretend they were her little secretaries.
I realize that all the apprenti basically want to be on the show for the fame, but at least they try to fake interest in the tasks. Toral, if you're going on this show, at least have some fun with it!
And b/c this show always makes me say it: Why do these women always make business women look like inept bitches. I wish they wouldn't do the men vs. women teams in the beginning.
JeffersonAero
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:19 pm
Maybe Omarosa will hire Toral!
Toral's behavior was terrible but when she said she didn't want to wear the mascot costume for "personal reasons", I thought maybe her parents are old-school & they really would be unhappy with her presenting herself as an ugly izzy wannabe (I live in Atlanta and we all hated the stupid mascot - nobody ever asked us about it). I have a friend with parents like that who made her promise all kinds of things when she went to college because they felt like she was representing their nationality and should not give anyone bad impressions of their culture. So that may have been the issue with Toral but it really doesn't explain her extreme egotism.
Marshawn rocks! When the DQ exec asked about the branding, everyone was simply standing there, looking back and forth at each other like this is a high school presentation! I swear Jen M. giggled! Marshawn was the only one with enough sense to field the question without acting like an idiot.
I like Rebecca but she's going to have to toughen up some, especially against the Evil Blondes (Alla is looking kinda rough, y'all!).
The boardroom scene with the girls bickering back and forth had me cringing. Ever hear of being professional? Try it much? Geez.
Rather meh about the guys except Randal & James.
SideShow Steve
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:19 pm
Did anyone notice what Felisha wore to the boardroom was the same Chanel outfit
Marge Simpson bought at the discount outlet in the episode "Scenes From a Class Struggle in Springfield"?
alphaharpy
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:23 pm
A few thoughts:
YES! It is such a drinking game the "step up" disease that they have. PLEASE find a different saying.
They totally knew what they were doing by asking Toral to be the mascot. Let's remember that she thought a TV was beneath her. That being said, she could have mended some serious fences by being cooperative.
Hateful, hateful women, except for Marshawn, sort of Rebecca (whom I still hate for thinking that it shows integrity to keep a friend out of the board room even though they deserve it--does anyone in the business world even know what integrity really means? Or is it in their dictionary of make-believe and misused words next to Primarius and surreal?), and on rare occasions, Jen M. Even though she said that stoooopid "energetic and full of energy" thing in their pitch, at least she recognized that the lack of branding was the reason they lost. To use the words of ShutUp Kristi, what a bunch of friggin' goobers.
ETA: And also, the reason Toral didn't name religion as her reason for not wearing the costume was not the desire to fit in. Has she EVER shown signs of wanting to fit in? She simply hadn't thought of the excuse yet.
RhondaGC
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:28 pm
And I just noticed that whenever Toral mentioned her team tonight she referred to them in the third person: "them." As in, not "me." It's especially noticable when she says "they" lost. If we needed proof that she does actually think she is above these people, we have evidence of it right there.
And I loved how Trump smacked her down on the "chicken costume" bit. Heh. I would have fired her right there, right then.
"Toral, with you it seems to be about half-truths." Trump may have never made a truer statement on this show.
Loved that when Carolyn wanted a reasoned opinion she immediately turned to Marshawn. Carolyn has obviously got the right read on her already.
I normally don't watch the day-after interviews on Today, but I'm actually setting the TiVo to catch it tomorrow. I wouldn't miss her egomaniacal rantings for anything. I'm a little worried though. I'm not sure that Rockerfeller Plaza is big enough to contain the egos of Toral and Katie Couric combined.
alphaharpy
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:32 pm
Luckily, we don't need proof. She's said it herself the whole time. And how did she ever acquire the opinion that she was better than any of these people? She certainly doesn't work hard, express herself well, or contribute anything of value to a task. Surely someone who went to the SAME SCHOOL AS MR. TRUMP, GEORGE should be a little more articulate and industrious. Oh, wait. I forgot that she's a cheater.
ETA: grammar fix
tiggeril
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:32 pm
And I just noticed that whenever Toral mentioned her team tonight she referred to them in the third person: "them." As in, not "me." It's especially noticable when she says "they" lost. If we needed proof that she does actually think she is above these people, we have evidence of it right there.[/quote]
Yep. I knew she was a goner when I heard that.
pacestick
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:35 pm
I also noticed that in the van Kristi said that only the people in the van were the creative ones and contiributed to the design. I think that if Toral was not around Rebecca or Marshawn would have been targeted. I believe that Toral was not the only one who thinks she is better than everyone else.
I justed rewatched the ending and did notice the orgasm. Good catch from upthread. Also how come the one person on crutches has to bumble through the door first. Holding the door must be below EVERYONE else (but Marshawn did help when she was about half way through, good for her) Everybody else just proved themselves to be Elitist bitches.
Magsi2
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:36 pm
WOW! You folks are tough to catch up to tonight. Now that I've finished reading: I think nearly everything about Toral has been mentioned. I definitely agreed with Marshawn that she didn't contribute to the task either way. The only problem with that is that she did detract from the task because they, as a team, were focused on her more than necessary. If she would just have left the attitude at the door after their team discussion and made an effort, I think life would have been better. The blondes did seem to "team up", but they weren't just making up something to be ticked at her about.
James, James, James.....yuummmmmm! He looked good tonight. Kudos to Mark for being the Genie. The blizzard wizard posted above would be even better! (Go propose it on the DQ site for their apprentice contest). Are they mixing up the teams next week to get over this men/women crazefest?!
Overall, glad to see Toral go. Felisha wasn't a great PM. She'll trip up soon.
scrounge
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:39 pm
For all of Toral's fancy and expensive business education, all she seemed to learn about marketing was a few buzzwords that she threw in after the fact. Unless the editors did one of the greatest smear jobs in reality history, not ONCE did I hear her raise an objection or point over the target market, or competitive position, or basic, undergrad-level concepts of simple branding (like - include the damn brand). All she had was some potshots over big words after the fact.
Now I didn't get a high-falutin' MBA at Wharton (though Duke, where I did get one, isn't exactly chopped liver) but I'm thinking that when you create an ad or promotional item for a company, you might want to consider USING something from that company. At least something more substantial than a generic red spoon?!?
I've seen Toral's type before - the obnoxious, high and mighty, self-anointed elite who have the perfect, haughty answers about the case or problem in class and can pick apart exactly what went wrong, but when they are in the seat and have to perform, they turn to jello. Goodbye, Queen Toral, back to slaving away over a spreadsheet at 3 in the morning. Thanks for giving us MBA's another black eye.
JennaC
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:40 pm
Totally disagree. It's not like they were planning for their costume to be an embarrassment or something to mock, they were trying to come up with something DQ would like. No matter what the outfit ended up being, they knew that Toral would refuse because she's just sooooo above doing that kind of thing. After Toral's behavior last week, I wouldn't blame the girls for anything they decided to put her through this week, she's a disgusting human being.[/quote]
If it were such a special thing to wear the costume, why didn't any member of the cpven volunteer to wear it? If it wasn't such a big deal for Toral to wear the costume, why did the PM want to make her wear it? They could have involved Toral in any part of the task, but they did not. In fact, they really didn't want Marshawn and Rebecca involved either since they left them back at home base as the administrative staff.
The coven focusing on Toral instead of the task was unprofessional and it cost them the win.
IMO, Toral should have happily agreed to wear the costume if for no other reason than to piss off the coven. I would have loved it if Donald had fired everybody except Rebecca and Marshawn. Kristi, Alla, and Felisha need to go fuck off somewhere with their stupid childish games.
Interpol
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:40 pm
What the hell was that costume? Giant eyes on lips on a swirly thing with a hose and a spoon?[/quote]
Anyone remember Whatizit, the mascot of the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games?
Long-lost twins, separated at birth:
RhondaGC
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:42 pm
Dude. There's a guy named Adam on this show? Seriously? Hello, Adam! Where have you been all this time?
They were obviously forcing her to wear that costume so they could have something against her in the boardroom. Toral refusing to wear the costume had nothing to do with the loss[/quote]
That may be so. But in that case, then the smart person (which Toral supposedly is) will do whatever they are asking in order to *take away their ability to bring it up in the BR.* I mean, yes, I suppose ultimately her actions had little to do with the losing of the task (although is she's so brilliant I have to wonder how well they would have done if she had actually contributed something). But the purpose of this whole mess is to find who would be the best fit for Trump's organization. It's obvious that Toral and Trump can't work together because Trump won't hire anyone with a bigger ego than him. And also she can't get along with people because she feels superior to them. So, in short, she's not right for this position no matter how much edumacation she has. So I have no problem with her being fired tonight. It's obvious she was going to go sometime, and maybe now the women will be able to work together.
Right now Marshawn and Randall are by far my favorites.
tiggeril
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:43 pm
Now I didn't get a high-falutin' MBA at Wharton - though Duke, where I did get one isn't exactly chopped liver - but I'm thinking that when you create an ad or promotional item for a company, you might want to consider USING something from that company. At least something more substantial than a generic red spoon?!?
[/quote]
Get ready for the comedy, scrounge. Toral didn't get her MBA at Wharton, she did her undergrad degree there. On top of that, she got kicked out of Columbia Business School for cheating. She has no MBA. She's 29 and is still trying to coast on her undergrad degree.
Er... to clarify, there's nothing wrong with not having an MBA, but when you're pushing 30, you damn well better have something to point to other than where you went to school for your undergraduate degree.
fictionista
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:44 pm
If it were such a special thing to wear the costume, why didn't any member of the cpven volunteer to wear it? If it wasn't such a big deal for Toral to wear the costume, why did the PM want to make her wear it? They could have involved Toral in any part of the task, but they did not. In fact, they really didn't want Marshawn and Rebecca involved either since they left them back at home base as the administrative staff.
The coven focusing on Toral instead of the task was unprofessional and it cost them the win. [/quote]
ITA. And like someone else said, Kristi made the statement that only she and the other Kristis contributed, when we CLEARLY saw them all brainstorming together. They just don't like the other 3, plain and simple. Toral was number 1 on the list, and now they'll probably be gunning for MArshawn or Rebecca.
JennaC
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:46 pm
Now I didn't get a high-falutin' MBA at Wharton - though Duke, where I did get one isn't exactly chopped liver - but I'm thinking that when you create an ad or promotional item for a company, you might want to consider USING something from that company. At least something more substantial than a generic red spoon?!? [/quote]
You make an excellent point Scrounge. I did not go to a brand name school like Wharton, but I do recall that the marketing core at my school discussed the four Ps with emphasis on iconic branding. Toral, being an exceptional student, should have understood how to run this task based on the textbook alone. You don't need to have experience in marketing to know that you need to put the company's brand on the mascot.
Fire Starter
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:48 pm
In other news, I quite liked watching the men's team. Adam's breaking into song was quite charming and not at all cringe-inducing. He has a good voice. Randall politely letting Marcus walk ahead of him in one shot was typical of the man's overall decency. Mark's dressing up like a woman showed genuine confidence and it was nice how he didn't take himself too seriously. The team's genuine enjoyment of the task was refreshing. And even I was inspired by whoever that baseball player was who talked about his determination to fulfil his dream. Even obnoxious Clay (the team leader, right?) was but a foil, next to whom the other contestants (hey I nearly wrote characters; Freudian, eh?) only appear more pleasant.
Overall, a very positive vibe...and the men prove (excuse my corniness, but it has to be said) that pleasant, happy people don't really lose, even though they will get kicked off the show. Most of them are definitely getting something good out of the experience -- we see teamwork, humor, spontaneity, courtesy -- which is more than I can say for them women.
noisebox
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:54 pm
These women make me ashamed of my gender.
MyEyesSee
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:54 pm
I so hope that when Toral meets whatever diety she worships, there is a secretary outside his office screening who gets in. [/quote]
I think I just peed myself.
Funnyuntil
Oct 13, 2005 @ 11:59 pm
Toral should have just sucked it up and worn the stupid costume under the guise of being a team player. By not wearing it, she simply provided the blondies with hours of gleeful bitching and complaining.
Toral, honey, you're not too bright.
coaster
Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:00 am
I think the way Trump phrased the possible exemption, "Does anyone not want to give Clay and exemption" helped him get the exemption. It was challenging them to vote against someone. And I don't think he phrased it that way previously. At least I didn't notice if he did.[/quote]
I thought the same thing. He was on the phone, so it wasn't even as easy as raising a hand. The others would have had to speak up and actively draw attention to themselves saying "no, I don't want to give him an exemption." I do remember that after Markus was PM, Trump asked it in the other direction, in person - "does anyone think Markus should have an exemption" - and Randal, and I believe one other person, raised their hands. I do wonder, if he'd said this time, "Does anyone WANT to give Clay an exemption" - would all those who declined to vote *against* him tonight, have gone out of their way to speak up and vote *for* him?
Was this episode sponsored by plate-steppers anonymous or what? The only thing they didn't show was footage of all the women sitting in their rooms practicing the line. "Step UP to the plate. Step up TO the plate. STEP up to the plate. Step up to THE plate."
And I'm just so positive that at least one of them is thinking place setting and not baseball and just saying it anyway...
Fire Starter
Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:00 am
I suppose one (completely accidental) positive aspect to the debacle that is Toral is that the general love and sympathy for admin assistants, secretaries etc grew exponentially.
You're an ill wind, Toral!
Rowsdower
Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:04 am
After completing my step up aerobics class at the end of the day, I thought I'd step up to my apartment with my stepson and watch a bit of these Apprenti stepping up to their tasks. I filled up my plate with some dinner, but at the end of the day, I had to step up to the bathroom and relieve myself of the sick I felt from these nitwits. After washing my plate, I felt I had to step up to my computer and post my thoughts about how Toral was unable to step up at the end of the day.
Fucking kill me, please.
tiggeril
Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:06 am
Rowsdower, you broke my liver. I love your screenname, though, so it's cool.
sleazydinosaur
Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:14 am
they would have lost whether or not she'd donned the stupid costume.[/quote]
True, but if she had, she could have claimed to be a team player, and a lot of their ammunition would be gone. I can't feel sorry for Toral at all, the way she kept lying her ass off was just pathetic, if you think your right, why lie, especially when everything is on tape and the person your lying to knows your lying. Toral deserved firing more than any past player, and that includes Omarosa.
tiggeril
Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:16 am
Toral deserved firing more than any past player, and that includes Omarosa.[/quote]
Hm. I dunno about that. Toral hasn't claimed that someone referred to her with a racial slur.
Yet.
Lisetta
Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:18 am
Toral probably thinks "Secretary Appreciation Day" is a chance for her secretary to tell Toral how much she appreciates being in her presence every day.
scrounge
Oct 14, 2005 @ 12:21 am
tiggeril: Get ready for the comedy, scrounge. Toral didn't get her MBA at Wharton, she did her undergrad degree there. On top of that, she got kicked out of Columbia Business School for cheating. She has no MBA. She's 29 and is still trying to coast on her undergrad degree.[/quote]
Oh, really?!? I haven't had much time this season to be on the boards or read up on these dancing monkeys due to work these past few months, so I hadn't read their bios. I heard "Wharton" and just assumed Wharton Business School. It may be technically "Wharton" but that just means she's a run of the mill biz ad grad, albeit from an Ivy League school. And it's almost impossible to get kicked out of grad business school, she must really be talented. :)
It's not unprecedented, but just exactly how many 'investment bankers' are 29 year old undergrads? Sounds more like a business analyst, one of the cannon fodder types that plug and chug and run numbers for the real I-bankers before they go off to business school themselves.
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