foultemptress
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:00 pm
Hey George, you’re old, what do you think? Good thing the men won.
Kristi is such a bitch. Every chance she gets she’s running down the PM, yet she wasn’t the stellar PM herself. And was it just me or did she look really run-down and bloated in the boardroom?
Boy Jennifer W is a whine-or. I won’t miss her, but boy, I think this was the first mis-firing of the season. Toral SO deserved to go and Rebecca is going on and on about her integrity and ironically is going purely on emotional reasons not to bring Toral into the boardroom.
What is up with the “weakest link” line this season? GOODBYE!
Hm…anyone think that Trump is talking to Markus in the preview?
dreamy
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:00 pm
I was surprised by Trump’s fire. I agreed with it (mostly), but I was surprised by it. (Rebecca was pretty dumbass to bring in the second Jennifer)
How many people think it was just because he didn’t want the pitiful image of a woman on crutches trying to get her luggage down the elevator? Speaking of which, was I the only one surprised that one of the Jennifers didn’t let the door slam in Rebecca’s face?
I did giggle when they asked George about the ‘mature’ man’s perspective. Umm. Not such a good thought. (beat me to it, foultemptress)
Baralai
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:00 pm
I was actually pretty relieved to see Jennifer W go.
I mean, sure Rebecca made some mistakes, but I think she was world's better than Jenn W.
anyone think that Trump is talking to Markus in the preview?[/quote]
Yea, I thought that. Then again, I think he has been improving, so who knows? Could be Toral he was talking to. She has as big a mouth as Markus does.
mo pie
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:01 pm
This is the first episode of this season that I've seen. I generally root for the women out of principle, but except for the one African-American woman whose name I didn't catch, I sort of hated them all. The men, on the other hand, seem like a great team, and I liked Randal as a leader. Their presentation was worlds better than the women's. Gorgeous banners vs. sad little typo cake.
And Toral bugs. If you're so much smarter than everyone else on your team, learn how to work the television.
CRFTony
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:02 pm
I completely and utterly hate the “pretty girls” clique. Toral was in no way, shape or form the reason they lost the task. They lost because the “party planning” was devoid of fun, food and cheer. It was a sad, pathetic little expo. They did nothing to make it an enjoyable atmosphere for the seniors. How was that Toral’s fault? Yes, she couldn’t operate the HDTV but why did none of the other girls go to her and trade booths? Let mega-bitch Jennifer M actually do something aside from flirt with old men because obviously that is the only thing which she is capable of doing.
And why did Trump think Toral should be brought to the boardroom because the team doesn’t like her? That’s exactly why Markus was brought into the boardroom last week and the dude who did it was lambasted for it and promptly sent packing. According to DT, one week a cancer to the team who didn’t cause a loss should not be brought into the boardroom and was not fired. The following week a cancer to the team who didn't cause the loss should be brought into the boardroom and would have been fired? His inconsistency is infuriating.
Again, this game isn’t about finding the best player, it’s about finding the most mediocre.
TiffanyNichelle
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:03 pm
Wow, I totally hate Toral. If she's so smart and so above it all, why is she resorting to a game show in order to get a job with Trump? Toral did screw up though. So smart and she can't turn on a tv?
And Rebecca might as well go home if she's going to sacrifice everyone, including herself, to keep Toral in the game.
Jennifer W, way to overreact. Throwing yourself down and crying about how unfair it was? The presentation looked dull. And it's not like they blame you for everything like you were Markus or Martha's Dawn. And no one ganged up on you and called her crazy like Stacie J. I'm so glad she's gone.
welcomematt
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:03 pm
Donald says often of the value he places on loyalty and he mentioned it again tonight. Yet he has insulted entire seasons of candidates in the past. How is that loyal? This is one reason I dislike Trump, whereas before his show I really had no opinion. Do as he says, not as he does, I guess.
It was classy how Jennifer pulled out Rebecca's chair for her. I like little touches like that. And her exit interview was classy as well. This season's group is much more mature as a whole than Season 2. I don't hate anyone, even when they fail, this season. Trump probably doesn't either since he picked most or all of them.
All in all, I like this season's cast. But I've noticed something that drives me crazy. So many of these people have absolutely no control over their emotions. Just because someone says you're the weakest link is no excuse, IMO, to go around sobbing for hours that you feel betrayed. It's business. Nothing personal. I wouldn't want someone working for me who couldn't discipline themselves better than that. Maybe later in the season I could understand, when they have gone without regular sleep for a while, but this early? I find it unacceptable. I can't imagine if someone said something insulting about Carolyn that she would be wailing and gnashing her teeth. She'd most likely just set about proving them wrong or dismiss them with an icy stare.
I thought that when Toral accompanied Rebecca to the hospital, it was a smart move strategically, whether it was meant that way or not. And it looks like maybe I was right, since Rebecca didn't take Toral into the boardroom.
I really liked this episode. I wasn't sure who would be fired. I was hoping it would be the other Jennifer, because I grew quickly tired with her confessional pose, standing rimrod straight like she was posing for a picture.
thuganomics85
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:03 pm
I couldn't see this episode tonight (parents hogging both TVs, and I had to tape Everwood instead.) But I'll see it tomorrow.
So, the women loose and one of the Jennifers go? And what did Toral do that was bad?
Old_Abe
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:04 pm
But... but... Jennifer W. made sure to include sugar-free cookies.
Why does Donald Trump hate diabetics?
tiggeril
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:04 pm
I think that was a good firing. Rebecca's got more raw material than Jennifer W. Doing a terrible job and crying like a bitch when you get called on it? Unacceptable.
Toral's turned out to be quite a snob, but the failure of the whole task doesn't lie on her. She's going the next time the women lose, though.
Kristi and Alla are turning out to be snakes in the grass. "Don't feel jazzed?" What the fuck? This is a job interview, ladies. Don't stand there with your thumbs up your asses talking about how you weren't properly motivated. DO something. And my "something" I don't mean whispering around the suite.
Jennifer W.? Seven "brilliant" women can quite possibly be wrong. See: The Coven v.1. You may not be in this case, but it doesn't speak well for you that that was your only defense.
ChocolateCherry
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:03 pm
Rebecca is loopy on painkillers and she obviously shared them with Trump.
How is she selling herself by propping Toral as the key to a win by the women's team?
blackwing
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:03 pm
Jennifer W sucked, but Rebecca should have been fired.
Last week: Trump fires Chris for not bringing Mark into the boardroom. Chris and Mark are friends, Trump slams him.
This week: Trump lets Rebecca go even though she didn't bring Toral into the boardroom. Rebecca and Toral are friends, Trump praises her loyalty.
I don't get it. Toral's "I'm so much better than any of them" attitude was inexcuseable.
Bigwheels1971
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:04 pm
How could Trump not fire the PM this week? Didn't the PM last week do the same thing she did? I don't get it.
ETA: blackwing was faster! :)
wishiwasahunter
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:04 pm
Hm…anyone think that Trump is talking to Markus in the preview?[/quote]
I actually guessed it would be Clay the Bitch. But whoever it is, it should be good. Boardroom confrontation, yay!
This is the one time that I thought Trump should have fired the PM for bringing the wrong person into the boardroom. Both Rebecca and Toral really grated on me tonight with their "we're the only smart ones here!" attitude. Toral, who doesn't believe in cliques. She's odious. I hope she goes soon.
Yay for Markus making a comeback.
Why were all of Jen M.'s interviews in pageant pose?
yadayada
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:05 pm
UGH! I am sick and tired of the crap the Apprentice women pull on minorities on their team. Stacie J in season 2 and now Toral in season 4. Toral was not the reason why they lost the task; Jen W was, especially if her version of throwing a great event is to make sure there was sugar free cookies for diabetics. IDIOT!
Lily Bart
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:05 pm
Bleh. I'm glad Randal did well. I like him. My dislike of Toral is nearing Hateful Jim (tm Keckler) proportions though. Like Markus last week, Toral wasn't really the reason they lost the actual task. Although her reasoning was idiotic. You're a banker so you can't work a TV? Shut up.
Jennifer's event planning sucked. It was Shady Pines depressing. Jessica was an idiot but I think The Hair fired the right person.
Jodeci
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:05 pm
I loved that the Men's team started over with Markus. Yes, he's a dink, but to win, they have to work together. And I love that Josh initiated that. He's my new TV boyfriend.
Jen W. is soooo whiny. Not sad to see her go.
Markus' "there's a lingering turd in the pool" cracked me up. And he totally didn't see how innapropiate that was. Hilarious.
What's with the "artsy fashion" poses in the women's interviews, espeically Jen M's? Is that her "good side" or something?
Trumpy, my dear, just b/c someone went to your school doesn't make them smart. I mean, look at how clueless you are.
And why did Rebecca keep her "integrity" by not bringing in Toral? Didn't get that.
DB Cooper
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
A few thoughts.....
-Is "jazzed" a word ?
-I will NEVER forget the phrase "Lingering turd in the pool". Never.
-The music gave away who would eventually win.
-Crying ? There's no crying in The Apprentice.
-I couldn't watch the scenes at the children's hospital. Couldn't do it, I do not have the heart.
-DT burned the men at the stake last week because the project manager did not bring in the one most at fault to the boardroom. Tonight the women did the same, but this time it was loyal and admirable.
risingsun
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:05 pm
Carolyn called it right away. The setting for the women's event was deadly dull. I would have done a 360 with my walker and found the guy's retirement community! Jennifer W. did not plan wisely. She deserved the boot more than Toral tonight.
coastcat
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:05 pm
"I would have to say that there are a group of women here that have seemed to have banded together based on the fact that they have no work experience. (the editors show us Felisha, Kristi, and the two Jens) I like them all on the personal level. I think they're cute people. If I had a secretary job or an administrative job I would happily hire any of these people."
Oh, Toral. Toral, Toral, Toral. You condescending self-important bitch. So which of these women has zero work experience - the two sales executives or the two independent business owners? Golly, I enjoyed watching her shoot her mouth off in the boardroom. That was fun!
Loved how the women interviewed seniors out in their lounge area - a nice familiar relaxing environment - and the men dragged one guy into an austere meeting room. "I feel it's really something from the devil." Double hee! Clay, TiVo isn't hard to set up. It's also the most wonderful invention ever, because it let me watch the Luddite old guy spout off over and over again.
Jen M, hon, we know you're a former beauty queen. Is it necessary to pose for your confessionals? And Kristi, you were a suck-ass PM, yet you are quick to find fault with other PMs and to spread discontent, which makes you a suck-ass employee too. Just shut it. On the other hand... "There's still a lingering turd in the pool, okay, but hopefully that will be fished out soon and this will all be resolved." Trumpy, please don't fire Markus yet. Wonderful and strange words just fall randomly out of his mouth, and I'd miss that.
Was almost surprised to see how well the men organized their expo - the stations made sense for their target market, and it looked like the seniors were having a good time. The women's Tethno Expo, not so much, except for all the old men looking at the boobies.
The reward was cute, but I particularly liked when they asked a patient what he would buy with his first million. "Lamborghini." Triple hee!
First Rebecca threw Jen W under the bus, and then Jen W did her best to throw Toral under the bus. And then in the boardroom Rebecca tried to throw herself under the bus, but her integrity protected her and luckily Jen W tripped and fell into the cab. Truly a bad couple of days for NYC transportation.
MyEyesSee
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
How many people think it was just because he didn’t want the pitiful image of a woman on crutches trying to get her luggage down the elevator?[/quote]
I did. I figured he wouldn't fire her so soon after the injury. But he may not show her mercy in the future.
welcomematt
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
The following week a cancer to the team should be brought into the boardroom and would have been fired? His inconsistency is infuriating.[/quote]
I think Trump's reasoning is that if you are a drain on your team AND you are partially responsible for the team's loss, you should go. If you are a drain on your team but you weren't a factor in the team's loss, then you should stay but he will be watching you closely. Although I totally agree with you about his frustrating inconsistency overall.
Toral, it's probably not wise to insult a group of women Trump had a hand in coming on the show.
dreamy
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
Wow, I totally hate Toral. If she's so smart and so above it all, why is she resorting to a game show in order to get a job with Trump?[/quote] That's a great point, TiffanyNichelle. That's the problem with the women. Superficially speaking, it felt tonight like it was the hard as nails/egomaniacal brains vs. sorority clique. This is the worst comparison, but I watched The Biggest Loser this week (no tomatoes, please) and it was the same situation. The women didn't know how to team and the men did, and therein lay the victory.
DeepInTheHeart
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
I kinda like Rebecca, but I was lost on how it was that not bringing in Toral was a measure of "integrity." Real integrity it seems to me would be shown by a willingness to be objective about the performance of even those with whom you have developed a friendship.
Also, her response to being challenged on not being inflexible -- that she had shown "flexibility" by taking on the PM role after getting hurt -- was very weak.
tiggeril
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
This week: Trump lets Rebecca go even though she didn't bring Toral into the boardroom. Rebecca and Toral are friends, Trump praises her loyalty.[/quote]
It's all in the presentation. Chris waffled and didn't come up with a good* excuse. Rebecca did.
*By good I mean persuasive, not logical.
Newcreation
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
Poor deluded Toral. All that "edumacation" and ability and competence to work in the real world and she believes that means something on TA.
Goes to show you that degrees and intelligence is wasted and at a handicap when it comes against people who truly want to be "fameho's".
I understand friendship and all, but man that was like lust/love obsession Ms. Rebecca had for Toral.
Really stupid subjective task.
lessa2010
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
I was alright with tonight's firing. To be honest any of the three could have gone (substituting Toral for the non-fired Jennifer.)
You are an event planner and your idea of a good time is cake and cookies. Though Toral, if you are so smart, you might want to read the manual before trying to show someone how it works.
Overall, I found the episode very boring. Martha is definitely more interesting to me this season.
msrayrudd
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
I'm relieved to see Jennifer W. go. She has to be just about the wimpiest excuse for a woman I've ever seen, maybe not, but close. I swear I thought she was going to burst into tears in the boardroom. And she has experience in event planning?
I hate that all the women are so obnoxious. Toral is a prime example. I don't blame the other women in hating her. I would hate her superiority complex if I were them too. Plus, for someone who boasts about how wonderfully smart she is, Toral is a horrible speaker.
I liked Rebecca up until the end and her constant defense of her friend Toral, but I kind of got the idea that Trump liked her spunk. Like he said at the end, I think he wants to keep her around to see which way she will go. I don't think she deserved to be fired though.
Happy Randall won. Though the editing is so obvious. Once the women were talking at the beginning about how they're more soft spoken and would relate better with the seniors, I knew the guys had to win.
Plus Marcus wasn't annoying...who would have thought.
NotTheBox
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
Trump kills me sometimes. DoNATing all those electronics, how nice. Maybe a digital pronunciation guide for his Xmas stocking.
Kristi & Alla continue to bug. Are they showing the same footage over and over of these two singing their own praises and downplaying the PM of the moment?
Toral is pretty full of herself. Loved Carolyn's "Are you saying you're the only one who belongs here?" Yes, Carolyn, she certainly was.
Rebecca was stupid. I like her ok but damn, when are these people going to learn? The most basic thing you should do as a PM is have MORE THAN ONE clear cut, definable reasons for each person you bring to the boardroom. Especially if you're going to refuse to listen to the Donald. She really dodged a bullet here. What did Jennifer M DO besides have too many teeth and soap opera hair?
The only reason the loss margin wasn't greater was the leching old men who liked the women's team. Tough task, as some old people just can't be bothered with anything new. The only technology my dad is interested in is e-mail, video games like Tetris, and he likes remotes. Everything in his house is on a remote or a timer. And he's a still mentally sharp physically active guy.
Jen W deserved to go if for no other reason than losing her shit when Rebecca said she didn't do well. Holy shit. Hey, bitch, there's no crying in business. OOH but I got sugar free cookies! Wimp.
Nice move, guy who says to George, "So, what do old geezers like you want to see?"
Jodeci
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:07 pm
Crying ? There's no crying in The Apprentice.[/quote]
Word. Martha would have told Jen W. "There's no crying in business, my dear."
Keupi
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:09 pm
Scary - 3 weeks, 3 times I agree with Trump on who should be fired.
I don't know what would have happened if it was Toral vs. Jen W., but I do know that the event decoration sets the theme. That looked horrible.
Also, with all of those women, one of them should have known how to operate the television they were demonstrating. If they couldn't have done any better than Toral, then they shouldn't be throwing stones. If they could have done better, they should have stepped in and done it.
Jen W.'s poor event planning put the women at a disadvantage and made them all have to work harder to pull off the win.
I won't say Rebecca was right in not bringing Toral into the boardroom (why Jen M is also a mystery? - pushups maybe?). I do admire Rebecca for sticking to her guns, though this is a competition, it was nice to see someone talk integrity and ethics and then actually walk it.
Like Trump said, she'll either be brilliant or a complete disaster.
foultemptress
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:09 pm
Markus' "there's a lingering turd in the pool" cracked me up. And he totally didn't see how innapropiate that was. Hilarious.[/quote]
Maybe it was just a candy bar!
Jen M's pageant pose bugged me, too. Was that her "good side?"
welcomematt
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:09 pm
One thing that bothers me about the reward tonight is that not all rewards are charity-minded. If they were all like that, then they'd be cool rewards. But to have one set of winners get thousands of dollars in jewellery, and to assign another to help sick children is rather unfair. Helping sick children is something people should do (although I admit I don't) in their own time. It's not something I'd want to do as a reward on a tv show. Yes, I am selfish and evil, but that's how I see it. Again, I wouldn't mind if that's generally what the rewards consisted of. But to have just won, and not know what's coming next, and then to have that as a reward seems disappointing to me.
YoureSoUrban
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:10 pm
I think the right person got fired. You could forgive TV malfunctions if you were enjoying the overall environment or other stations.
The guys' expo kicked butt. I saw real energy and the guys were engaging, and I loved how they comfortably connected the unfamiliar technology with familiar things (ex. photos, watching TV). The old guy wanting to look up an old girlfriend online was precious.
Still, a couple of those guys... couldn't pick 'em out of a lineup.
Oh these damn women. The cattiness, the whining, the crying, the pimping oneself to pitch a heart monitor. Now I understand why I work so hard and don't earn equal pay.
And where does Jennifer M find the time for 5 hours of make-up, an hour with the curling iron and a can of hairspray?
Madhoo
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:10 pm
blackwing, Amen! I am an Indian woman and I cringed at Toral's behavior tonight. Did anyone catch how when Trump asked her if she was the only the smart woman on the team, she said "I am the on..." and then went on to say some crap about everyone being smart? What a fucking snob!
tiggeril
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:11 pm
Also, with all of those women, one of them should have known how to operate the television they were demonstrating. If they couldn't have done any better than Toral, then they shouldn't be throwing stones. If they could have done better, they should have stepped in and done it.[/quote]
Exactly. That's what kills me in general, the lack of either putting up or shutting up. One or the other.
won't say Rebecca was right in not bringing Toral into the boardroom (why Jen M is also a mystery? - pushups maybe?). I do admire Rebecca for sticking to her guns,[/quote]
Yep. If she'd changed her mind and brought in Toral, Trump may have booted her for being indecisive. It's not an easy decision with him.
Benji
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:11 pm
I was rooting all episode for Jen W. to get fired, but when she did I was kind of sad. The look on her face and the "I got the diabetics cookies!" line were genuinely heartbreaking. I do think Becky has a lot of potential, however, and I thought her comment about wanting a woman to win was dead on.
What's up with Kristi bitching out the project manager EVERY WEEK?
GreenBean227
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:12 pm
Still getting used to my new laptop touch pad and lost my whole post...
Jennifer M- You look like a bad 90's catalogue model when you stand in that pose for your interviews.
Have any of these people ever watched this show? Seriously, Rebecca, you are on the chopping block for your show of "loyalty". The second she gets a walking cast he's totally telling her to walk her butt down to the cab.
Kristi, you didn't like it when psycho Melissa degraded you during your whole task. Perhaps it isn't the best idea to do the same to every project manager that isn't you?
Clay, you were one of my irrational favorites. No more, don't insult George.
Yay for Markus learning to be more in control of his mouth. It can't last though.
tiggeril
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:13 pm
I am an Indian woman and I cringed at Toral's behavior tonight. Did anyone catch how when Trump asked her if she was the only the smart woman on the team, she said "I am the on..." and then went on to say some crap about everyone being smart? What a fucking snob![/quote]
Didn't you get the memo? We're supposed to be chilly and unappealing snobs unless there's a nice doctor around, in which case we become simpering twits. Duh.
MarigoldSkye
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:13 pm
Thank god Jennifer W. is gone. A plate of cookies and dried up old cake that your gramma liked does not an event make. Plus, her voice was the equivalent of Satan singing "I Will Survive".
I really, really liked Markus tonight. That has to stop.
I hope Jennifer M. is next, because I thought this was The Apprentice, not Miss Trumpiverse.
msrayrudd
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:12 pm
UGH! I am sick and tired of the crap the Apprentice women pull on minorities on their team. Stacie J in season 2 and now Toral in season 4. Toral was not the reason why they lost the task; Jen W was, especially if her version of throwing a great event is to make sure there was sugar free cookies for diabetics. IDIOT!
[/quote]
I don't see this is being true at all. If it were true, why was Marshawn all for the Toral firing as well? Why did all the women, minus Kristi, vote for Marshawn's exemption last week?
Being a minority does not excuse you for having an obnoxious personality. No, I don't believe Toral was the reason they lost the task, but she sure didn't help her cause either.
I can guarantee that Toral's snobby attitude would turn me off in a heartbeat if I were on her team. If she dared tell me I'd make a good assistant to my face, she might not have a face left.
welcomematt
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:13 pm
I thought it was fascinating how when Trump asked Carolyn if she thought the men's team had been much better or slightly better, and she totally didn't answer his question. But he didn't criticize her for it. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't like Carolyn. She seems the type to never admit she can make a mistake, but loves pointing out others'.
TiffanyNichelle
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:14 pm
"I would have to say that there are a group of women here that have seemed to have banded together based on the fact that they have no work experience. (the editors show us Felisha, Kristi, and the two Jens) I like them all on the personal level. I think they're cute people. If I had a secretary job or an administrative job I would happily hire any of these people."
Oh, Toral. Toral, Toral, Toral. You condescending self-important bitch. [/quote]
That stuck little speech is exactly what made me start to hate her. And then when she was going on about being an investment banker which is why it shouldn't matter she couldn't turn on a tv, I rolled my eyes so hard they hurt.
I understand friendship and all, but man that was like lust/love obsession Ms. Rebecca had for Toral.[/quote]
Yes! I was like, Rebecca, you're here to get yourself a job, not Toral.
Kabelvision
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:14 pm
Hey, what's going on? I thought it was very bad not to pick the underperformer based on personal closeness?
wishiwasahunter
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:14 pm
Did anyone catch how when Trump asked her if she was the only the smart woman on the team, she said "I am the on..." and then went on to say some crap about everyone being smart? What a fucking snob! [/quote]
Yeah, I don't think the fact that the women pointed fingers at Toral was a racial issue at all. It's
very different from what happened with poor Stacie J. Toral probably drove them all crazy with her holier than thou attitude and at that point, they'd be looking for any reason to get her fired. The fact that she couldn't work a TV has nothing to do with it; neither, in my opinion, does her race.
Ego like that always gets its compeuppance at some point (eg, if she keeps going on in that direction, Rebecca won't be able to protect her forever).[/quote]
Just a hunch, but I think Trump will be gunning for Toral in the future. Even he seems to agree that her attitude was one of the worst things about the women's team, as he said she would have been fired over even Jen W.
dreamy
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:14 pm
coastcat beat me to it!
foultemptress
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:16 pm
sorry, double post
lauriecake
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:17 pm
I wish they would stop with the fake Trump conversations at the beginning. Trump bragging about his property to George and Carolyn was just annoying as hell. Thank god Carolyn started laughing at the end so Trump had to move on.
Toral got on my nerves toward the end, but I agree Jen W. should have gone. She's the only one who really contributed to the loss of the task.
Everytime Rebecca kept referring to her integrity, I wanted to scream.
welcomematt
Oct 6, 2005 @ 9:16 pm
I never thought of the Stacie J debacle as being racially motivated. It was more of the ganging up on someone perceived as weaker dynamic.
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