On the Toral front, wasn't there a meeting between two of the girls where one said, "Toral has to go; she's not our c-caliber"?[/quote]
Yep. Like I said, Toral's an insufferable snob, but so are the rest of these foolios.
Yep. Like I said, Toral's an insufferable snob, but so are the rest of these foolios.
I've worked with a number of event planners over the years and those people have to be tough as nails to do that work successfully. There's always someone not happy, someone bitching, blah de blah. If Jennifer W. can collapse into a sobbing mess because her PM said she did a poor job, there's no way she's as good an event planner as she claims to be. [/quote]
Dude, seriously. I helped with some events in college, and you have to be on the ball. What does she do when a sponsor doesn't come through? A vendor gets flaky? Something goes wrong with the event? Snivel until it's fixed. No. I have no problem with crying if you go off by yourself to pull it together. But braying out sobs while the rest of the girls stroke your hair and coo? Not after you're 13 and Billy Joe dumped you at the Winter Dance.
Dude, seriously. I helped with some events in college, and you have to be on the ball. What does she do when a sponsor doesn't come through? A vendor gets flaky? Something goes wrong with the event? Snivel until it's fixed. No. I have no problem with crying if you go off by yourself to pull it together. But braying out sobs while the rest of the girls stroke your hair and coo? Not after you're 13 and Billy Joe dumped you at the Winter Dance.
A truly intelligent, gifted person understands that there are many definitions of success, and many ways of expressing intelligence. There are many brilliant people in the world who have no desire to go to Wharton, and see a career scrambling to the top on Wall Street as a waste of a meaningful life, and see opportunities to make positive change in the world, not just change in their pocket.
As an ivy league grad, I saw many classmates who struggled to get there and many who were simply accepted with open arms because their family's name was on a building on campus, regardless of their personal abilities or competence. Not everyone who goes to a top school is intelligent, and not everyone who doesn't, or chose not to, rides the short bus to work. No one receives a Nobel Prize for accounting.
If your goal in life is to achieve a very narrow definition of success, and you assume that such success can only be achieved by one path, and you judge others by the that small-minded outlook, that is the definition of elitism and snobbery. I would be ashamed if my child was such a closed-minded bigot, even if they went to Wharton.
As an ivy league grad, I saw many classmates who struggled to get there and many who were simply accepted with open arms because their family's name was on a building on campus, regardless of their personal abilities or competence. Not everyone who goes to a top school is intelligent, and not everyone who doesn't, or chose not to, rides the short bus to work. No one receives a Nobel Prize for accounting.
If your goal in life is to achieve a very narrow definition of success, and you assume that such success can only be achieved by one path, and you judge others by the that small-minded outlook, that is the definition of elitism and snobbery. I would be ashamed if my child was such a closed-minded bigot, even if they went to Wharton.
Oh, and I forgot to mention how much I appreciated the fact that Jen M knew enough to shut up when Trump basically told her to. Seems like a pretty basic and simple thing to do, but the number of people in the past who haven't caught on to this has astounded me. Maybe Jen M actually learned something from watching past seasons.
I was worried that the "horny old man" factor would lead the women to victory despite the obvious weakness in their presentation. This would be a good "conspiracy" episode. Could the scores have been altered so the women would lose? After all it would have looked really bad if the women had won.
Toral : Poor. Putting aside her technologial weakness. She should have recognized that she was having problems and moved on.
Jen W: An event Planner managed to pull off that train wreck? She deserved to be fired. At least Toral can state that technology isn't her thing. Event Planning is Jen W's thing. She should have done much better.
Rebecca: While I can see how there was little she could do to counter Jen W's awful work. She was rolling around on the wheelchair supervising. But she didn't do anything. At the very least Toral and Jen M were messing up and she did nothing to try to help.
Markus: At long last something he's good at!
Randal: I'm not sure what he did specifically that helped his team win. ( Besides not screwing up )
Toral : Poor. Putting aside her technologial weakness. She should have recognized that she was having problems and moved on.
Jen W: An event Planner managed to pull off that train wreck? She deserved to be fired. At least Toral can state that technology isn't her thing. Event Planning is Jen W's thing. She should have done much better.
Rebecca: While I can see how there was little she could do to counter Jen W's awful work. She was rolling around on the wheelchair supervising. But she didn't do anything. At the very least Toral and Jen M were messing up and she did nothing to try to help.
Markus: At long last something he's good at!
Randal: I'm not sure what he did specifically that helped his team win. ( Besides not screwing up )
While I do find the Blonde Bitches to be way too sorority row-ish and gossipy, them hating on Toral is sorta like "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you".
Just because they are clique-y and whisper-y, doesn't mean Toral isn't condescending, insulting and totally reprehensible. (She is). So while I can see those other girls most likely finding a gossip target in any group, they didn't have to work really hard to find a very deserving one here.
When someone starts a sentence with "I'm not saying it's beneath me", they mean "It's TOTALLY beneath me!". It's beneath her to know how to make an HDTV work? Once again, it's amazing that a contestant on a reality show seemingly hasn't watched past seasons because if she thinks having to know how to work a luxury TV is "beneath her", what on Earth would she have thought about scrubbing and painting at the skanky motel renovation task? Or hawking candy and ice cream on the street? Or selling pizza? Or working the counter at Burger Freaking KING? In short, WTF is she doing here if these kinds of projects are a waste of her super genius and sweet MBA skillz? These are the kinds of tasks they do on this show, a fact she might have known if she had more highly developed TV operating ability because she could haved turned on a damn TV and watched an episode or two before applying.
Just because they are clique-y and whisper-y, doesn't mean Toral isn't condescending, insulting and totally reprehensible. (She is). So while I can see those other girls most likely finding a gossip target in any group, they didn't have to work really hard to find a very deserving one here.
When someone starts a sentence with "I'm not saying it's beneath me", they mean "It's TOTALLY beneath me!". It's beneath her to know how to make an HDTV work? Once again, it's amazing that a contestant on a reality show seemingly hasn't watched past seasons because if she thinks having to know how to work a luxury TV is "beneath her", what on Earth would she have thought about scrubbing and painting at the skanky motel renovation task? Or hawking candy and ice cream on the street? Or selling pizza? Or working the counter at Burger Freaking KING? In short, WTF is she doing here if these kinds of projects are a waste of her super genius and sweet MBA skillz? These are the kinds of tasks they do on this show, a fact she might have known if she had more highly developed TV operating ability because she could haved turned on a damn TV and watched an episode or two before applying.
These are the kinds of tasks they do on this show, a fact she might have known if she had more highly developed TV operating ability because she could haved turned on a damn TV and watched an episode or two before applying.[/quote]
LOL, love it. I would love to see her trying to sell lemonade.
LOL, love it. I would love to see her trying to sell lemonade.
Why is it, that every time the Apprentice has done men versus women, the women make me end up feeling ashamed of my own gender? Honestly, a bunch of women CAN work together without being catty, backstabbing, immature bitches. I swear, I've done it. As of now, I hate them all with the exception of Marshawn, possibly Alla, and maybe Felisha, only cause I have no idea who she is.
The men? I know who Clay is, Markus, Randall, Josh, and Mark. The rest are one big whitebread blur.
And Goddamn, was Jennifer W whiny. I can understand crying quietly by yourself, but she was throwing a full scale temper tantrum.
The men? I know who Clay is, Markus, Randall, Josh, and Mark. The rest are one big whitebread blur.
And Goddamn, was Jennifer W whiny. I can understand crying quietly by yourself, but she was throwing a full scale temper tantrum.
Why not especially when her race has been put down by the Western hemisphere for centuries? Look I am not going all "Indian pride worldwide" on you but there has been a rise in professional Indians in North America, some of whom see it as a mark on making it in whitey's world, if not doing better than other whites from their neighbourhoods etc. I think she has the right to a bit of snotty attitude but not over the top obnoxiousness - and I did not see over the top obnoxiousness tonight.
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Eh, I don't know. She's not doing us a whole lot of favors.
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Eh, I don't know. She's not doing us a whole lot of favors.
I think she has the right to a bit of snotty attitude but not over the top obnoxiousness - and I did not see over the top obnoxiousness tonight.[/quote]I don't really think that anyone has the "right" to a snotty, elitist attitude like the one that Toral displayed tonight, which was through the roof on my scale of obnoxiousness. Education comes in many forms besides an Ivy League degree, and to state with conviction that the rest of the competitors would excel in what Toral clearly sees as lesser positions (admin, secretary, whatever) is beyond rude -- it's ignorant. Her comments were not those of taking pride in one's accomplishments, they expressed outright snobbery and percevied superiority over others.
Word to shibori's entire post. Toral is as bad as Melissa was. I don't like the coven-esque behavior of the team blondes, but their being shitty doesn't excuse Toral either.
Word to shibori's entire post. Toral is as bad as Melissa was. I don't like the coven-esque behavior of the team blondes, but their being shitty doesn't excuse Toral either.
Rebecca really should have brought Toral in. That could have probably merited a thump right there. Also, in her boardroom argument, every place she said the word integrity, you could have inserted the word friendship in its place.[/quote]
I disagree. You don't fire a Wharton graduate because she can't get the hang of programming a television. Toral better step it up and try to get along--I fear she's doomed because she may not be able to, but I admired Rebecca, and think that it's one of the most inspired board room performances from any season. Friendship was part of it, but she was calling bullshit on this show for claiming to be about business skills. Now a show about real business skills would be boring as hell, but to fire a banker for not being able to run a t.v. over an event planner who can't plan an event is silly.
I disagree. You don't fire a Wharton graduate because she can't get the hang of programming a television. Toral better step it up and try to get along--I fear she's doomed because she may not be able to, but I admired Rebecca, and think that it's one of the most inspired board room performances from any season. Friendship was part of it, but she was calling bullshit on this show for claiming to be about business skills. Now a show about real business skills would be boring as hell, but to fire a banker for not being able to run a t.v. over an event planner who can't plan an event is silly.
Two things stuck out at me in this episode.
The first was how many men there were in the senior center. My mother lives in an assisted living place and the women outnumber the men at a minimum of 3-1. I wonder if they hired extras to play old guys in a senior center to up the numbers for the show.
Secondly, and far more significantly, Rebecca explicitly challenged the entire concept of The Apprentice (and got away with it) in the boardroom. She didn't bring Toral in because, in Rebecca's eyes at least, Donald Trump shouldn't be hiring someone based on their ability to turn a TV set on and off, but because they're trained and skilled in business and finance. In other words for the exact reasons Donald Trump presumably makes all his other choices about who he hires.
Rebecca has the self-assurance of someone who knows she's very very pretty and very very smart. That's a killer combination.
The first was how many men there were in the senior center. My mother lives in an assisted living place and the women outnumber the men at a minimum of 3-1. I wonder if they hired extras to play old guys in a senior center to up the numbers for the show.
Secondly, and far more significantly, Rebecca explicitly challenged the entire concept of The Apprentice (and got away with it) in the boardroom. She didn't bring Toral in because, in Rebecca's eyes at least, Donald Trump shouldn't be hiring someone based on their ability to turn a TV set on and off, but because they're trained and skilled in business and finance. In other words for the exact reasons Donald Trump presumably makes all his other choices about who he hires.
Rebecca has the self-assurance of someone who knows she's very very pretty and very very smart. That's a killer combination.
As an first-generation Indian woman in the US earning a six-figure salary, I am extremely uncomfortable with people who think that just because they are a minority, they are allowed a pass with being a snob. You cannot treat people like shit and expect them to treat you back good.
Even if we buy the theory of oppression, shoud we really be doing the same shit to other people that we would decry when done to us?
Even if we buy the theory of oppression, shoud we really be doing the same shit to other people that we would decry when done to us?
Rewatching part of it just now and . . . . there's a guy on this show named Adam? Seriously? I didn't believe it until I went back and found him in the credits. Has he spoken even once?
I'm so glad one of the Heathers was sent home! I hate Kristi and her clique. I gave Toral some leeway to be derogatory (though not enough to excuse all her behavior because Kristi's clique can't stop acting catty and start acting professional. I think folks have to stand up to them, and I can see how someone would get annoyed.
I don't know if race places into things - maybe as a larger social/cultural. It's interesting how all the blondes team up to talk smack about other teammates. (No, I'm not saying there's something wrong with blondes in general, just this kind of group of pretty princess backstabbers.)
I hate how they were whining about being unmotivated and seemingly prepared to fail during the task itself. I think there should be some sort of rule (like the fan-proposed "I Quit" to stop future Flo-ness in TAR) that folks who are concerned about blame-casting and self-sabotage in the middle of a task should go to the head of the line of potential firees (if "firees" is a word).
I don't know if race places into things - maybe as a larger social/cultural. It's interesting how all the blondes team up to talk smack about other teammates. (No, I'm not saying there's something wrong with blondes in general, just this kind of group of pretty princess backstabbers.)
I hate how they were whining about being unmotivated and seemingly prepared to fail during the task itself. I think there should be some sort of rule (like the fan-proposed "I Quit" to stop future Flo-ness in TAR) that folks who are concerned about blame-casting and self-sabotage in the middle of a task should go to the head of the line of potential firees (if "firees" is a word).
Favorite moments:
These 'geniuses' can't even spell. "Tethno" in dayglo icing on a tacky sheet cake? Loved it, that and bragging about sugar free cookies. Why not inspire the geezers by offering them Metamucil punch?
The nasal Jennifer's wailing shit fit in the suite after Rebecca called her out on the lousy event planning. Her self esteem was soooo shattered--like Carolyn hadn't already cut her off at the knees at the expo.
The blond bimbo Jennifer flexing her abs at the old guy, right in front of Carolyn yet, to check heart rates. I was waiting for him to have a heart attack. The bimbo still didn't get it when the guy joked to Carolyn about the girlie show.
Josh asking George his opinions as a senior citizen. Got the hiccups laughing at that one. Next time maybe he'll ask Carolyn's opinons on hair bleach.
Toral's losing battle with the television. "Press okay..uh, press okay. Press okay?" Even a corporate genius should figure out it's probably a swell idea to check and familiarize herself with equipment before a technology expo. Good grief, that was just plain moronic.
And of course Kristi standing around bitching about the team leader as usual. The twit runs her mouth most of the time.
But the guys were really impressive at the Children's Hospital. They all seemed really good with the kids. It was a neat reward.
These 'geniuses' can't even spell. "Tethno" in dayglo icing on a tacky sheet cake? Loved it, that and bragging about sugar free cookies. Why not inspire the geezers by offering them Metamucil punch?
The nasal Jennifer's wailing shit fit in the suite after Rebecca called her out on the lousy event planning. Her self esteem was soooo shattered--like Carolyn hadn't already cut her off at the knees at the expo.
The blond bimbo Jennifer flexing her abs at the old guy, right in front of Carolyn yet, to check heart rates. I was waiting for him to have a heart attack. The bimbo still didn't get it when the guy joked to Carolyn about the girlie show.
Josh asking George his opinions as a senior citizen. Got the hiccups laughing at that one. Next time maybe he'll ask Carolyn's opinons on hair bleach.
Toral's losing battle with the television. "Press okay..uh, press okay. Press okay?" Even a corporate genius should figure out it's probably a swell idea to check and familiarize herself with equipment before a technology expo. Good grief, that was just plain moronic.
And of course Kristi standing around bitching about the team leader as usual. The twit runs her mouth most of the time.
But the guys were really impressive at the Children's Hospital. They all seemed really good with the kids. It was a neat reward.
Markus: At long last something he's good at![/quote]
I don't know that he was all that good at this. His audience simply had nowhere else to go.
Yes, Markus, there is a lingering turd in the pool... and he needs a haircut.
I don't know that he was all that good at this. His audience simply had nowhere else to go.
Yes, Markus, there is a lingering turd in the pool... and he needs a haircut.
If Rebecca truly didn't believe that Toral was responsible for the loss, and she also believed that Toral was being railroaded, then if she had brought Toral into the boardroom simply because Trump told Rebecca that it would guarantee her another week, she would have sold her integrity just for the sake of another week[/quote]
Where's the integrity in bringing Jen M. in, who even Rebecca could come up with a reason why she should be fired?
Yes Jen W screwed up the most, granted. But who screwed up the second most? Toral. Rebecca wasn't a pinacle of integrity, she was playing the "but she's my friend" game just as much as the blondes.
Where's the integrity in bringing Jen M. in, who even Rebecca could come up with a reason why she should be fired?
Yes Jen W screwed up the most, granted. But who screwed up the second most? Toral. Rebecca wasn't a pinacle of integrity, she was playing the "but she's my friend" game just as much as the blondes.
I am not saying that I liked Toral, but I don't agree with that many of the women ganging up on her and saying that she should have been fired. They were basically just saying that they don't like her, but I guess they felt sorry for Jennifer W. after the crying thing? I think they were wrong about that. The only one I can respect out of that is Marshawn, because I don't think she named Toral out of cliqueishness (is that a word?).
They didn't show much about Brian, James or Adam. Adam caught my attention the first week because he and Randal were the only ones who voted for Markus's exemption. Josh and Chris had presumed to speak for the whole team, which I didn't like. But Adam spoke up, and I liked that. But last week and this week he's been a little quiet. But I hope he starts to speak up, because so far I like him as a candidate. James was pretty much non-existent during the first episode, but last week he was the only one who said that Chris, not Markus, should be fired. So I liked him right away because of that. I'd like to see both Adam and James be a little more visible, though. As far as Brian, I guess he figures that because he's short, he can fade into the woodwork or something? J/K.;) I'm only bringing up his height because he made a point of it in his interview.
Also, what wonderful contributions has Felisha made? Being blonde? At least Jennifer M. was unanimously named as the one who did the best job in the first task (in the extended footage, from Yahoo). And Alla did quite a bit last week. And even though Kristi lost, she was PM. Marshawn was PM last week, and Rebecca this week. Jennifer W. failed miserably, but did take responsibility this week. But Felisha? Then again, for that matter has Toral really contributed much, other than being the only one decent enough to care about Rebecca's broken bone? (Yes, I realize she is not crippled, but still, Kristi's "you broke it?" reaction almost seemed to exude joy or something. And why didn't anyone else on the team care much? Or pretend to care?)
[ETA]: BTW, I'm interested to see the extended footage on Yahoo, because it seems to me that Rebecca was about to give the push-up example of why she brought Jennifer M. into the Boardroom, and Trump cut her off and simply stated there was no reason she should be there. I disagree, since I actually picked both Jennifers before it was even announced who the winner was (though I strongly suspected that the women would be in the Boardroom, of course).
They didn't show much about Brian, James or Adam. Adam caught my attention the first week because he and Randal were the only ones who voted for Markus's exemption. Josh and Chris had presumed to speak for the whole team, which I didn't like. But Adam spoke up, and I liked that. But last week and this week he's been a little quiet. But I hope he starts to speak up, because so far I like him as a candidate. James was pretty much non-existent during the first episode, but last week he was the only one who said that Chris, not Markus, should be fired. So I liked him right away because of that. I'd like to see both Adam and James be a little more visible, though. As far as Brian, I guess he figures that because he's short, he can fade into the woodwork or something? J/K.;) I'm only bringing up his height because he made a point of it in his interview.
Also, what wonderful contributions has Felisha made? Being blonde? At least Jennifer M. was unanimously named as the one who did the best job in the first task (in the extended footage, from Yahoo). And Alla did quite a bit last week. And even though Kristi lost, she was PM. Marshawn was PM last week, and Rebecca this week. Jennifer W. failed miserably, but did take responsibility this week. But Felisha? Then again, for that matter has Toral really contributed much, other than being the only one decent enough to care about Rebecca's broken bone? (Yes, I realize she is not crippled, but still, Kristi's "you broke it?" reaction almost seemed to exude joy or something. And why didn't anyone else on the team care much? Or pretend to care?)
[ETA]: BTW, I'm interested to see the extended footage on Yahoo, because it seems to me that Rebecca was about to give the push-up example of why she brought Jennifer M. into the Boardroom, and Trump cut her off and simply stated there was no reason she should be there. I disagree, since I actually picked both Jennifers before it was even announced who the winner was (though I strongly suspected that the women would be in the Boardroom, of course).
At least now we have only one Jennifer to keep up with.
At the beginning I thought the women would win for sure - the way they interviewed the residents seemed much warmer and more personal (and therefore more likely to get good feedback) than the guys in their conference room with the Luddite. After those segments it was a real surprise to see the excitement that the men created versus the sterility of the women's.
DT should learn from Martha & the way she handled the boardroom last night. Why can't HE call back candidates he thinks are fire-worthy?
At the beginning I thought the women would win for sure - the way they interviewed the residents seemed much warmer and more personal (and therefore more likely to get good feedback) than the guys in their conference room with the Luddite. After those segments it was a real surprise to see the excitement that the men created versus the sterility of the women's.
DT should learn from Martha & the way she handled the boardroom last night. Why can't HE call back candidates he thinks are fire-worthy?
How could Trump not fire the PM this week? Didn't the PM last week do the same thing she did? I don't get it.[/quote]
Markus didn't have anything to do with the loss, he actually pointed out the mistakes his team was making, but they wouldn't listen to him.
In this case, Toral was completely unprepared and could have been fired, but Jennifer W. was even more responsible, so the pm did bring in somebody that was responsible for the loss.
Markus didn't have anything to do with the loss, he actually pointed out the mistakes his team was making, but they wouldn't listen to him.
In this case, Toral was completely unprepared and could have been fired, but Jennifer W. was even more responsible, so the pm did bring in somebody that was responsible for the loss.
She didn't bring Toral in because, in Rebecca's eyes at least, Donald Trump shouldn't be hiring someone based on their ability to turn a TV set on and off, but because they're trained and skilled in business and finance. In other words for the exact reasons Donald Trump presumably makes all his other choices about who he hires. [/quote]
This is true, but he's also ostensibly hiring an executive (even though we know the truth). That means someone who can ably lead people. A snob cannot be a good manager if they can't hide it, and it seems like Toral can't or won't. She may be skilled in finance as a worker bee, but we haven't seen anything from her that indicates that she can manage.
Let me add that I really haven't seen a lot of leadership potential from any of the women yet. I also hated to see Alla whine about Rebecca being "abrasive." Suck it up, cookie. Business is tough.
This is true, but he's also ostensibly hiring an executive (even though we know the truth). That means someone who can ably lead people. A snob cannot be a good manager if they can't hide it, and it seems like Toral can't or won't. She may be skilled in finance as a worker bee, but we haven't seen anything from her that indicates that she can manage.
Let me add that I really haven't seen a lot of leadership potential from any of the women yet. I also hated to see Alla whine about Rebecca being "abrasive." Suck it up, cookie. Business is tough.
Did anyone else wonder what that bit with Donald and the old guy and suddenly Miss Universe walks in and then, what? The old guy gives it up because he got to met Miss Universe? Huh? And then the Jen M. stuff. There was a real subtext tonight and it was underlined by those under the yum yum tree interviews she did, posed like a seventies pop poster of some vague country western singer. Anyway, if anyone else noticed and would care to help me understand, I'd appreciate it.[/quote]
Oh, I noticed. And I am totally not saying this in a snotty way but- is this your first season of Apprentice? Cos this is Trump's MO. He is an Old Fashioned Man (how old is he, anyway? Anybody know?) of like, the Hugh Hefner era, and thinks that the fact that he can surround himself with beautiful women means something. They are another way of keeping score, when he gets tired of counting his money and his gold plated everythings. He CONSTANTLY refers to women first by their appearance, cos, you know, that's our JOB as women, to look good for blowhards like him. And he assumes everyone else is the same as him, and I guess if you play in Trump's universe, you just play along, even if you happen to be further along in the evolutionary scale. He had Bill from Season 1 doing it too, but at least Bill seemed uncomfortable with it.
Oh, I noticed. And I am totally not saying this in a snotty way but- is this your first season of Apprentice? Cos this is Trump's MO. He is an Old Fashioned Man (how old is he, anyway? Anybody know?) of like, the Hugh Hefner era, and thinks that the fact that he can surround himself with beautiful women means something. They are another way of keeping score, when he gets tired of counting his money and his gold plated everythings. He CONSTANTLY refers to women first by their appearance, cos, you know, that's our JOB as women, to look good for blowhards like him. And he assumes everyone else is the same as him, and I guess if you play in Trump's universe, you just play along, even if you happen to be further along in the evolutionary scale. He had Bill from Season 1 doing it too, but at least Bill seemed uncomfortable with it.
It was great to see the men decide to start fresh and let bygones be bygones. Will the women be able to do that next week? Not likely. It will be Rachel and Toral vs. the rest of women's team, and, as a woman, I will cringe with embarrassment.
Who is the dude with the slicked back hair that's all shaggy at the back?[/quote]
It was Gwen Stefani's husband, Gavin Rossdale.
It was Gwen Stefani's husband, Gavin Rossdale.
I"m happy to see others questioning just what the hell Rebecca did. Last week, Marshawn got skewered for not being hands-on and overseeing all aspects of the project. This week, Rebecca essentially did the same thing, but she lost. I understand why she wasn't fired, but she didn't do shit and I dont' think she was a good PM AT ALL.
Toral? If you're so smart and successful, why can't you spring for some more believable color contacts? Those things look like something I'd buy at the beauty supply. Thanks.
I wish we could have seen more of Randal. He did a great job, but we saw mostly the other guys talking. It irks me. He obviously did something (everything) right for him to get a unanimous exemption and a win, but all we saw was Clay bitching, some other guys talking, and Markus presenting. I have a feeling he's getting a loser edit.
Jen M was totally channeling Nancy Grace with that angled interview.
Toral? If you're so smart and successful, why can't you spring for some more believable color contacts? Those things look like something I'd buy at the beauty supply. Thanks.
I wish we could have seen more of Randal. He did a great job, but we saw mostly the other guys talking. It irks me. He obviously did something (everything) right for him to get a unanimous exemption and a win, but all we saw was Clay bitching, some other guys talking, and Markus presenting. I have a feeling he's getting a loser edit.
Jen M was totally channeling Nancy Grace with that angled interview.
I think that while the firing tonight was just, as the event planner FAILED miserably. However, the argument that Toral shouldn't be fired just because she couldn't work the TV is worthless. It was her responsibility to learn how to use the damn thing. If she would have taken the time to sit down with the thing for 30-45 minutes, she would have been fine.
I'm a teacher, so I know firsthand that you CANNOT go in an teach someone how to do something unless you prepare ahead of time. It showed loud and clear that you cannot always expect to B.S. your way through something and get away with it. She had seemingly one major responsibility and she blew it. I was so embarrassed for her that I couldn't even watch! Thankfully for her, the responsbility that she had was minor compared to event planning.
May her arrogant ass be fired next week. Amen.
I'm a teacher, so I know firsthand that you CANNOT go in an teach someone how to do something unless you prepare ahead of time. It showed loud and clear that you cannot always expect to B.S. your way through something and get away with it. She had seemingly one major responsibility and she blew it. I was so embarrassed for her that I couldn't even watch! Thankfully for her, the responsbility that she had was minor compared to event planning.
May her arrogant ass be fired next week. Amen.
I do think Becky has a lot of potential, however, and I thought her comment about wanting a woman to win was dead on. [/quote]
That may be so, but in that statement "Becky" basically implied, to me, that no one else in the boardroom (including I might add, herself) was as qualified to be TA as Toral. Inconceivable. For that statement alone, she should have been fired, and I was hoping Trumpie would jump on it right there and fire her but there were still 10 minutes left in the show, so it was too early. Bitch.
That may be so, but in that statement "Becky" basically implied, to me, that no one else in the boardroom (including I might add, herself) was as qualified to be TA as Toral. Inconceivable. For that statement alone, she should have been fired, and I was hoping Trumpie would jump on it right there and fire her but there were still 10 minutes left in the show, so it was too early. Bitch.
Brave little cripple Rebecca received no criticism for her failure. Not the failure to bring Toral to the boardroom, but her failure to follow up on the things she delegated. When did she touch base with Jen about the decor and (lack of) food? When did she make sure that her demonstrators knew how to use the products? Clearly she didn't. I think these would have been good reasons for the PM to get fired.[/quote]
WORD!! ITA, Ashforth on this point. However, though I'm not ignoring Jennifer's poor event planning at all, I don't know that that was the main reason they lost the task. Yeah, everyone said it looked bad, but of the comments from attendees that were read, the negative comment was something like (paraphrasing) "pretty girls, but they should know how to work the equipment." Clearly, the lack of technical savvy from the instructors was more of a contributing factor to the people who showed up than the lack of balloons and a "tethno" cake. (How in the hell did Jennifer miss THAT????)
WORD!! ITA, Ashforth on this point. However, though I'm not ignoring Jennifer's poor event planning at all, I don't know that that was the main reason they lost the task. Yeah, everyone said it looked bad, but of the comments from attendees that were read, the negative comment was something like (paraphrasing) "pretty girls, but they should know how to work the equipment." Clearly, the lack of technical savvy from the instructors was more of a contributing factor to the people who showed up than the lack of balloons and a "tethno" cake. (How in the hell did Jennifer miss THAT????)
I mean, it takes a special kind of bitchiness to be able to say such great things about her teammates while calling them stupid and second-rate at the same time. [/quote]
Was that amazing or what? Good thing the others don't see these little interviews during the run of the show. (But wouldn't it be awesome if they could??) Toral must go. Can't wait to see the reaction next week when the girls get back to the boardroom.
Was that amazing or what? Good thing the others don't see these little interviews during the run of the show. (But wouldn't it be awesome if they could??) Toral must go. Can't wait to see the reaction next week when the girls get back to the boardroom.
You don't fire a Wharton graduate because she can't get the hang of programming a television. [/quote]
I guess Trumpie didn't agree with you, Kaylee, because he flat out said if Toral had been in the boardroom he would have fired her.
I guess Trumpie didn't agree with you, Kaylee, because he flat out said if Toral had been in the boardroom he would have fired her.
It was great to see the men decide to start fresh and let bygones be bygones. Will the women be able to do that next week? Not likely. It will be Rachel and Toral vs. the rest of women's team, and, as a woman, I will cringe with embarrassment.
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Oh my god, I KNOW. Just ONCE I want to see Donny's Wenches act like professional adults.
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Oh my god, I KNOW. Just ONCE I want to see Donny's Wenches act like professional adults.
My favourite moment was still the beginning when everyone saw Markus come in.
There was ten seconds of dead silence, and then all the men gave a start, like they suddenly remembered they were supposed to clap.
There was ten seconds of dead silence, and then all the men gave a start, like they suddenly remembered they were supposed to clap.
A few thoughts:
Was anyone else tickled that Jennifer W. was crying not because she was exposed as a weak link, but exposed in front of The Donald and the Viceroys?
Ahh Kristi....You had me at hello, but lost me with the incessant sniping at the PM. Looks can only get you so far.
Kudos to the men for being able to dodge all the potential obstacles that were out there. And to Randal for getting Markus to contribute.
Was anyone else tickled that Jennifer W. was crying not because she was exposed as a weak link, but exposed in front of The Donald and the Viceroys?
Ahh Kristi....You had me at hello, but lost me with the incessant sniping at the PM. Looks can only get you so far.
Kudos to the men for being able to dodge all the potential obstacles that were out there. And to Randal for getting Markus to contribute.
I was watching all this footage of these oldsters eating this yummy looking food and suddenly I notice that one of the oldsters is George. Tee Hee! That food looked a lot better than that dried up grocery store cake that the women had. I bet Jen probably bought it on the day old rack and wrote tethno expo on it herself. I'm sure that the food quality really did affect the ratings. I know I always comment on food quality when I fill out evaluations for seminars I attend. But then, I am shallow like that.
I think no one stepped up to help Toral with the HDTV because they did not know how to work it theirselves.
I think no one stepped up to help Toral with the HDTV because they did not know how to work it theirselves.
I really hated Toral in this episode.
Aside from the fact that she was extremely condescending towards the other women, she was singing praises to herself and yet she couldn't even do something as simple as operating a TV. What did she say exactly, "I'm an investment banker and I don't do TV"? WTF?
Also, as part of doing presentations at work, there is actually quite a lot of technology that you need to operate. I have seen many things go wrong unexpectedly - projectors, phones, laptops etc. While sometimes you can find someone to help, in other cases it happens when there's nobody around, and it must be done fast - e.g. before a client. That's when it really helps to think quick on your feet. I mean she was there for a few hours, even if she stumbled in the first 10 minutes, she should have learned to do whatever she was doing in those ten minutes. It's not rocket science, after all.
Judging from what I saw today I call bullshit on her superior intelligence - I have not seen a shred of evidence of that so far, which makes her obnoxiousness even worse.
About Rebecca - I admire the fact that she stood up to Trump, but I have a feeling that the reason she got away and the reason she knew she will get away with it, has something to do with her looks, and she knew that Trump will want to see more of her. (I personally think Rebecca is the prettiest girl there, much better than all the blond women). I think her *reasons* for standing up to Trump were admirable, though, if she believed that Toral was not the reason they lost and that the other women were simply ganging up on her. As far as Rebecca's leadership skills, meh, she did a pretty bad job.
Aside from the fact that she was extremely condescending towards the other women, she was singing praises to herself and yet she couldn't even do something as simple as operating a TV. What did she say exactly, "I'm an investment banker and I don't do TV"? WTF?
Also, as part of doing presentations at work, there is actually quite a lot of technology that you need to operate. I have seen many things go wrong unexpectedly - projectors, phones, laptops etc. While sometimes you can find someone to help, in other cases it happens when there's nobody around, and it must be done fast - e.g. before a client. That's when it really helps to think quick on your feet. I mean she was there for a few hours, even if she stumbled in the first 10 minutes, she should have learned to do whatever she was doing in those ten minutes. It's not rocket science, after all.
Judging from what I saw today I call bullshit on her superior intelligence - I have not seen a shred of evidence of that so far, which makes her obnoxiousness even worse.
About Rebecca - I admire the fact that she stood up to Trump, but I have a feeling that the reason she got away and the reason she knew she will get away with it, has something to do with her looks, and she knew that Trump will want to see more of her. (I personally think Rebecca is the prettiest girl there, much better than all the blond women). I think her *reasons* for standing up to Trump were admirable, though, if she believed that Toral was not the reason they lost and that the other women were simply ganging up on her. As far as Rebecca's leadership skills, meh, she did a pretty bad job.
George rules! I would totally watch an entire hour of nothing but his reactions shots.
Reese, I mean Kristi: Your time is coming.
Rebecca: I actually thought you did a decent job tonight. I was giving you major points for not blaming the loss on your injury. Then, you completely go and do that. I was with you until then.
JenW: A 99 cent pack of balloons and a rented tank from a grocery store. I'm sure you have come across these in one of the many events you've planned. And your whiny voice sounds like a thousand fingernails scraping a blackboard.
JenM: Ok, you've got the pageant thing down. I will admit you were one of the few who actually seemed to make a positive contribution tonight. I truly thought that after you did your pushups, you would let the old man test the heart monitor and his heart would be racing.
Alla: I would have never figured you for the sorority click type. Drop Kristi and Felisha. You can do better.
Randall: Good job tonight. The dead Grandma is only going to take you so far, though.
Clay: You are a marked man.
Markus: I actually liked you tonight. I fully expect the sun to rise in the west tomorrow.
Reese, I mean Kristi: Your time is coming.
Rebecca: I actually thought you did a decent job tonight. I was giving you major points for not blaming the loss on your injury. Then, you completely go and do that. I was with you until then.
JenW: A 99 cent pack of balloons and a rented tank from a grocery store. I'm sure you have come across these in one of the many events you've planned. And your whiny voice sounds like a thousand fingernails scraping a blackboard.
JenM: Ok, you've got the pageant thing down. I will admit you were one of the few who actually seemed to make a positive contribution tonight. I truly thought that after you did your pushups, you would let the old man test the heart monitor and his heart would be racing.
Alla: I would have never figured you for the sorority click type. Drop Kristi and Felisha. You can do better.
Randall: Good job tonight. The dead Grandma is only going to take you so far, though.
Clay: You are a marked man.
Markus: I actually liked you tonight. I fully expect the sun to rise in the west tomorrow.
I am not saying that I liked Toral, but I don't agree with that many of the women ganging up on her and saying that she should have been fired.[/quote]
I disagree. Marshawn certainly isn't in the clique and she came up with a good reason to fire Toral. She repeatedly called Toral the weak link. Sometimes it isn't ganging up, it's just realizing when someone is toxic and incomptetent. Neither Rebecca nor Toral have done anything yet to demonstrate their great intellects, work ethic, and business skills. So when they boast about them and denigrate the other women, it just highlights their own lack of performance and success even more.
I went to prestigious schools, and Toral is completely the type who snowballs people by telling them she's smart and accomplished, when she's truly a bitch and incompetent. I think there's a reason why she hangs with Markus.
I disagree. Marshawn certainly isn't in the clique and she came up with a good reason to fire Toral. She repeatedly called Toral the weak link. Sometimes it isn't ganging up, it's just realizing when someone is toxic and incomptetent. Neither Rebecca nor Toral have done anything yet to demonstrate their great intellects, work ethic, and business skills. So when they boast about them and denigrate the other women, it just highlights their own lack of performance and success even more.
I went to prestigious schools, and Toral is completely the type who snowballs people by telling them she's smart and accomplished, when she's truly a bitch and incompetent. I think there's a reason why she hangs with Markus.
I think no one stepped up to help Toral with the HDTV because they did not know how to work it theirselves.[/quote]
Well, the other women had their own tasks for which they prepared themselves to teach. Rebecca had a very structured and segmented way of delegating responsibilities. Everyone else who had a station got their job done. Toral couldn't because she's either not bright or not a hard worker. Take your pick. And she's a toxic bitch.
Well, the other women had their own tasks for which they prepared themselves to teach. Rebecca had a very structured and segmented way of delegating responsibilities. Everyone else who had a station got their job done. Toral couldn't because she's either not bright or not a hard worker. Take your pick. And she's a toxic bitch.
In short, WTF is she doing here if these kinds of projects are a waste of her super genius and sweet MBA skillz? These are the kinds of tasks they do on this show, a fact she might have known if she had more highly developed TV operating ability because she could haved turned on a damn TV and watched an episode or two before applying.[/quote]
You bring up a good point. Why is Toral on the Apprentice when she should have apprenticed where she works? I've never been lucky enough to get with a company that had a management training program, but surely, being a Wharton grad and all, Toral has had access to Apprentice like programs that pay a hell of a lot more money that Trump's gig. Plus, you get to work on real projects without a camera in your face 24/7.
You bring up a good point. Why is Toral on the Apprentice when she should have apprenticed where she works? I've never been lucky enough to get with a company that had a management training program, but surely, being a Wharton grad and all, Toral has had access to Apprentice like programs that pay a hell of a lot more money that Trump's gig. Plus, you get to work on real projects without a camera in your face 24/7.
These are the kinds of tasks they do on this show, a fact she might have known if she had more highly developed TV operating ability because she could haved turned on a damn TV and watched an episode or two before applying.[/quote]
Was I the only one who sensed that she was implying that watching TV in general is "below her" in that interview? Like as in: "I'm far too important and too busy impressing the world with my brilliance to have time to do something so pedestrian as watch TV." Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that was the vibe that I got. And as a faithful TV watcher with a graduate school education myself (albeit not from Wharton) I really, really get annoyed at that kind of attitude and what it implies about me.
Was I the only one who sensed that she was implying that watching TV in general is "below her" in that interview? Like as in: "I'm far too important and too busy impressing the world with my brilliance to have time to do something so pedestrian as watch TV." Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that was the vibe that I got. And as a faithful TV watcher with a graduate school education myself (albeit not from Wharton) I really, really get annoyed at that kind of attitude and what it implies about me.
Last week: Trump fires Chris for not bringing Mark into the boardroom. Chris and Mark are friends, Trump slams him.
This week: Trump lets Rebecca go even though she didn't bring Toral into the boardroom. Rebecca and Toral are friends, Trump praises her loyalty.[/quote]
Yes, but Chris' argument was "Markus is the reason we lost the task," which Trump later deemed to be totally false, given that Chris marginalized him. And Mark made mistakes that were named by the task judges as being the reason they lost -- "Green with envy," the small I in Italian, etc. All Toral did was fail to operate a TV, which was one of many errors that contributed to the loss. Overall, I'd say the most errors came from the lousy party-planning, which was Jennifer W's domain. In my eyes, her errors, totaled, were the primary reason they lost. While it probably would have been a good move to bring Toral to the boardroom, I doubt she would have been fired. Between Jennifer W and Toral, I'd fire Jennifer in an instant. Toral, from what we've seen, seems to be able to work on other tasks. Jennifer botched her supposed area of expertise, and by a helluva lot.
Rebecca, on the other hand, is a crappy manager, which annoys me, as she was my pick, both for the city connexion and because she's my TV Girlfriend (after Kim from ANTM). She should have overseen the project planning, and she should have arranged for some co-ordination among the team members. How can a group of women who never fail to wear the same colour when receiving a task assignment fail to don matching t-shirts to signal that they're part of the tech crew? Christ. The boys had it down pat -- they were open, friendly, and looked like a team.
This week: Trump lets Rebecca go even though she didn't bring Toral into the boardroom. Rebecca and Toral are friends, Trump praises her loyalty.[/quote]
Yes, but Chris' argument was "Markus is the reason we lost the task," which Trump later deemed to be totally false, given that Chris marginalized him. And Mark made mistakes that were named by the task judges as being the reason they lost -- "Green with envy," the small I in Italian, etc. All Toral did was fail to operate a TV, which was one of many errors that contributed to the loss. Overall, I'd say the most errors came from the lousy party-planning, which was Jennifer W's domain. In my eyes, her errors, totaled, were the primary reason they lost. While it probably would have been a good move to bring Toral to the boardroom, I doubt she would have been fired. Between Jennifer W and Toral, I'd fire Jennifer in an instant. Toral, from what we've seen, seems to be able to work on other tasks. Jennifer botched her supposed area of expertise, and by a helluva lot.
Rebecca, on the other hand, is a crappy manager, which annoys me, as she was my pick, both for the city connexion and because she's my TV Girlfriend (after Kim from ANTM). She should have overseen the project planning, and she should have arranged for some co-ordination among the team members. How can a group of women who never fail to wear the same colour when receiving a task assignment fail to don matching t-shirts to signal that they're part of the tech crew? Christ. The boys had it down pat -- they were open, friendly, and looked like a team.
I would have done a 360 with my walker and found the guy's nursing home![/quote]
Then you would have been staring at the women again! A 360 is a complete circle. (I always remember this when bands say they're going to do "a three sixty" on their album and then come out with a CD that sounds exactly like their last one. It's funny, but not the way they meant it to be.)
Back to Rebecca, though -- I want to like her, but her speech about integrity struck me as kissing up to a professor, almost, like she was waiting to be patted on the head for being so independent and free-thinking and told that she was ExtraSuperSpecial for having "integrity."
Trump's face post-boardroom was priceless. I loved the way Carolyn looked at him and waited, because ... perfect. He actually looked bored, annoyed, and like he was thinking, all at once. Oh, Trump.
Then you would have been staring at the women again! A 360 is a complete circle. (I always remember this when bands say they're going to do "a three sixty" on their album and then come out with a CD that sounds exactly like their last one. It's funny, but not the way they meant it to be.)
Back to Rebecca, though -- I want to like her, but her speech about integrity struck me as kissing up to a professor, almost, like she was waiting to be patted on the head for being so independent and free-thinking and told that she was ExtraSuperSpecial for having "integrity."
Trump's face post-boardroom was priceless. I loved the way Carolyn looked at him and waited, because ... perfect. He actually looked bored, annoyed, and like he was thinking, all at once. Oh, Trump.
It's not rocket science, after all.[/quote] I think you mean rocket scientist (hee hee) Sorry, I just couldn't resist the temptation after you made me remember the Pretzel and her pretzels!
That food looked a lot better than that dried up grocery store cake that the women had.[/quote]
Skinny women don't know nothing about food.
Skinny women don't know nothing about food.
Was I the only one who sensed that she was implying that watching TV in general is "below her" in that interview? [/quote]
Yeah. I thought that was funny. I went to the University of Chicago for undergrad, and believe me, after beating our brains against a rock all day there was nothing we liked better than zonking out in the dorm lounge or in our rooms and watching TV and having a drink.
Yeah. I thought that was funny. I went to the University of Chicago for undergrad, and believe me, after beating our brains against a rock all day there was nothing we liked better than zonking out in the dorm lounge or in our rooms and watching TV and having a drink.
Trump's face post-boardroom was priceless. I loved the way Carolyn looked at him and waited, because ... perfect. He actually looked bored, annoyed, and like he was thinking, all at once. Oh, Trump.[/quote]
I thought that was interesting because we usually get:
Trump: Yep, I fired 'em. I was right.
Viceroy: Exactly.
It was kind of a nice departure from the norm.
I thought that was interesting because we usually get:
Trump: Yep, I fired 'em. I was right.
Viceroy: Exactly.
It was kind of a nice departure from the norm.
Tethno — Hee!
Once the women were talking at the beginning about how they're more soft spoken and would relate better with the seniors, I knew the guys had to win. [/quote]
Same damn thing the guys did last week with the car: "We're guys. It's a car. We win."
Same damn thing the guys did last week with the car: "We're guys. It's a car. We win."
the same time, Rebecca bugged me with her, "I soldiered on despite the ankle", spiel.[/quote]
Flexible, Bigwheels1971. She's flexible. Because she can step up and be project manager with a broken ankle! An ankle, y'all! I broke my foot the day after my contractors took down my bannister and reworked my stairway. I had to literally go up and down on my tush. That's flexible, but hardly a defining component of my personality.
Flexible, Bigwheels1971. She's flexible. Because she can step up and be project manager with a broken ankle! An ankle, y'all! I broke my foot the day after my contractors took down my bannister and reworked my stairway. I had to literally go up and down on my tush. That's flexible, but hardly a defining component of my personality.
I disagree. You don't fire a Wharton graduate because she can't get the hang of programming a television.[/quote]
I was not under the impression that she spent all that much time trying to get the hang of it. Sounded to me like she assumed she'd be able to do it, but when she couldn't, well, you know, it's a television, for heaven's sake, why should she spend her time bothering with that?
I was not under the impression that she spent all that much time trying to get the hang of it. Sounded to me like she assumed she'd be able to do it, but when she couldn't, well, you know, it's a television, for heaven's sake, why should she spend her time bothering with that?
I think no one stepped up to help Toral with the HDTV because they did not know how to work it theirselves. [/quote]
I don't know how to work HDTV, so I wouldn't have stepped in. But if it had been my station to demo, you can bet I'd have known how to do it.
I don't know how to work HDTV, so I wouldn't have stepped in. But if it had been my station to demo, you can bet I'd have known how to do it.
Rebecca has the self-assurance of someone who knows she's very very pretty and very very smart.[/quote]
She looks like someone and it's bugging the ever-living crud out of me that I can't place it. And, after all these seasons of watching the Donald do his firings, this was the first time I had a sense at the end that he was conflicted about it. The way he sat back and really seemed to be thinking about it was unusual.
She looks like someone and it's bugging the ever-living crud out of me that I can't place it. And, after all these seasons of watching the Donald do his firings, this was the first time I had a sense at the end that he was conflicted about it. The way he sat back and really seemed to be thinking about it was unusual.
I know I'm in the minority here - but I think Toral is freakin' AWESOME.
Tactless, snotty, arrogant, elitist, and condescending, sure. Rude even.
However, NONE of the women on her team came even close to convincing me that all the nasty things she (and Rebecca, I guess) said about them weren't true. She may be abraisive, but I think she had a good point - compared to her, these people appear to be morons.
Whether or not that gets you hired by Trump remains to be seen. And being smarter than anyone doesn't give you the right to be a bitch. One doesn't need a reason to be a bitch, and being smart has little to do with it.
But having, for lack of a better term, the balls to throw her contempt for them in their faces like that was totally awesome. More reality TV contestants need to be told that they're stupid. It would stop me from yelling at the television so much.
I have a theory that Toral is a robot, being secretly controlled by some bitter fan, just to screw with Mark Burnett
edited because I realized something which sounded good when I wrote it actually came out sounding mean.
Tactless, snotty, arrogant, elitist, and condescending, sure. Rude even.
However, NONE of the women on her team came even close to convincing me that all the nasty things she (and Rebecca, I guess) said about them weren't true. She may be abraisive, but I think she had a good point - compared to her, these people appear to be morons.
Whether or not that gets you hired by Trump remains to be seen. And being smarter than anyone doesn't give you the right to be a bitch. One doesn't need a reason to be a bitch, and being smart has little to do with it.
But having, for lack of a better term, the balls to throw her contempt for them in their faces like that was totally awesome. More reality TV contestants need to be told that they're stupid. It would stop me from yelling at the television so much.
I have a theory that Toral is a robot, being secretly controlled by some bitter fan, just to screw with Mark Burnett
edited because I realized something which sounded good when I wrote it actually came out sounding mean.
"Becky" reminds me of Evangeline Lilly from Lost. She also has a hint of Melania which is why I think Trump is so taken with her. So I will call her Kate from now on.
And boy did she stare him down in that boardroom showdown.
And to add my two cents to the Toral show: no matter how long and hard Toral had to work to get to where she is today, there was absolutely no excuse for the secretary, admin assistant remark. That was just a rude, spiteful comment.
Kristi? STFU!!!!
There is a real difference in dynamics between the men and women. The men try to work around the weak link and rally to become a team. The women continue with the self-destructive isolation. I wonder, do they behave that way in their "real" jobs?
And boy did she stare him down in that boardroom showdown.
And to add my two cents to the Toral show: no matter how long and hard Toral had to work to get to where she is today, there was absolutely no excuse for the secretary, admin assistant remark. That was just a rude, spiteful comment.
Kristi? STFU!!!!
There is a real difference in dynamics between the men and women. The men try to work around the weak link and rally to become a team. The women continue with the self-destructive isolation. I wonder, do they behave that way in their "real" jobs?
And as a faithful TV watcher with a graduate school education myself (albeit not from Wharton) I really, really get annoyed at that kind of attitude and what it implies about me.[/quote] RhondaGC, I totally agree with you. I wasn't going to bring this up, 'cause it sounds so stupid, but I went to an Ivy League school, and let me tell you, I love me some TV. And by the way? I'm not on a reality TV show trying to get a job.
Sounded to me like she assumed she'd be able to do it, but when she couldn't, well, you know, it's a television, for heaven's sake, why should she spend her time bothering with that?[/quote] fangums, I do think that this was the thrust of her comments, which still shows how out of touch she is in some ways. I have a feeling we'll see her in the boardroom again.
I never thought of the Stacie J debacle as being racially motivated. It was more of the ganging up on someone perceived as weaker dynamic.[/quote]
Word. Those witches would have thrown over Mother Theresa if it meant they personally wouldn't be on the chopping block.
And, I'm sorry to sound like such a meanie here, but... ohhhhhhh, what a terrible reward. Situations like that can be very emotionally traumatic for some. Rewards are supposed to be some high-end, luxurious FUN (not that volunteering isn't fun, but there were several heartbreaking moments here), a chance to party and let off steam. Geezaloo, volunteerism should be a reward unto itself, not a damn prize in a game show. I thought it was a wee bit exploitative; if Trump and BestBuy want to do something great like that, then awesome, but don't make a big deal of it complete with cameras.
Sick kids + funeral + snapped bones = Most. Depressing. Season. Ever. What's next week, orphans wandering the streets?
Word. Those witches would have thrown over Mother Theresa if it meant they personally wouldn't be on the chopping block.
And, I'm sorry to sound like such a meanie here, but... ohhhhhhh, what a terrible reward. Situations like that can be very emotionally traumatic for some. Rewards are supposed to be some high-end, luxurious FUN (not that volunteering isn't fun, but there were several heartbreaking moments here), a chance to party and let off steam. Geezaloo, volunteerism should be a reward unto itself, not a damn prize in a game show. I thought it was a wee bit exploitative; if Trump and BestBuy want to do something great like that, then awesome, but don't make a big deal of it complete with cameras.
Sick kids + funeral + snapped bones = Most. Depressing. Season. Ever. What's next week, orphans wandering the streets?
Dude, seriously. I helped with some events in college, and you have to be on the ball. What does she do when a sponsor doesn't come through? A vendor gets flaky? Something goes wrong with the event? Snivel until it's fixed. No. I have no problem with crying if you go off by yourself to pull it together. But braying out sobs while the rest of the girls stroke your hair and coo? Not after you're 13 and Billy Joe dumped you at the Winter Dance.[/quote]
Wordy McWord, oldbabe and tiggeril. And golly, what kind of task is the Final Task? Why, it's event planning! High-stress event planning where things go wrong and sponsors demand satisfaction and Trump demands coddling! Granted, it would be downright hilarious to watch Jen W try to cope with something along the lines of the golf tournament or Olympic exhibition... She'd be whimpering in the corner after 20 minutes. "Wah, the sponsor got mad at me because I did something wrong. It's not fair!"
Wordy McWord, oldbabe and tiggeril. And golly, what kind of task is the Final Task? Why, it's event planning! High-stress event planning where things go wrong and sponsors demand satisfaction and Trump demands coddling! Granted, it would be downright hilarious to watch Jen W try to cope with something along the lines of the golf tournament or Olympic exhibition... She'd be whimpering in the corner after 20 minutes. "Wah, the sponsor got mad at me because I did something wrong. It's not fair!"
I think that Markus, Toral, and Rebecca have formed a friendship because everyone else....minus Adam and Randal are forming cliques all over the damn place. Clay made himself an outcast by his judgment errors, but he still would have been in the clique had he not insulted George.
Rebecca has the self-assurance of someone who knows she's very very pretty and very very smart.[/quote]
She looks like someone and it's bugging the ever-living crud out of me that I can't place it.[/quote]
I think she looks like Sandra Bullock.
She looks like someone and it's bugging the ever-living crud out of me that I can't place it.[/quote]
I think she looks like Sandra Bullock.
Word Infinity. Why can't women get along on this show? It's like I go back to high school with every task![/quote]
Good question. After all the bad blood that's going to come out of this week (especially relative to the greater cohesiveness of the men) I see the makings of a Season 2 crapfest in the making.
I still have to laugh thinking about the sugar enriched angel cake with 'Techno' spelled wrong. Where's Moby when you need him? Funniest thing was, for some reason, it reminded me of an episode of 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' featuring a catastrophic spelling error in an obituary (hint 'aunt' was spelled very, very wrong.)
Good question. After all the bad blood that's going to come out of this week (especially relative to the greater cohesiveness of the men) I see the makings of a Season 2 crapfest in the making.
I still have to laugh thinking about the sugar enriched angel cake with 'Techno' spelled wrong. Where's Moby when you need him? Funniest thing was, for some reason, it reminded me of an episode of 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' featuring a catastrophic spelling error in an obituary (hint 'aunt' was spelled very, very wrong.)
I knew that there was a reason I liked Becky. She bears the resemblence to a strong willed Sandra Bullock, who I absolutely LOVE!
Was I the only one who sensed that she was implying that watching TV in general is "below her" in that interview?[/quote]
I thought she was saying that the entire task and everyone involved in it were beneath her: demonstrating a television? Teaching old people about technology? She's a banker, people, brilliant, highly educated, a mover and a shaker, she's hot snot on a silver platter and those cold booger bitches on their crappy paper plates can kiss her ass!
I think Rebecca resembles Jaclyn Smith with a hint of someone else, but I can't place who.
I thought she was saying that the entire task and everyone involved in it were beneath her: demonstrating a television? Teaching old people about technology? She's a banker, people, brilliant, highly educated, a mover and a shaker, she's hot snot on a silver platter and those cold booger bitches on their crappy paper plates can kiss her ass!
I think Rebecca resembles Jaclyn Smith with a hint of someone else, but I can't place who.
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