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Bassari99

It doesn't matter if you're a better candidate and one of your teammates is a total trainwreck, if you're the PM and you lose, you're still going home. [/quote]
I thought Trump was pretty clear why the PM was fired on this task: Chris refused to acknowledge that Markus was not the reason Excel lost this task. Trump knows Markus likely won't last long in the game, but Chris seemed to be a real disappointment to Trump. Why didn't Chris take Trump's prompting to bring in Mark for his blunders? Trump couldn't have been more obvious that that is what he expected Chris to do. Chris showed that for all the other assets he might possess as a candidate to be Trump's apprentice, Chris does not take direction (strong hints) well, and he thinks too emotionally. Beside the fact that Chris oversaw a dismal ad campaign, those two failings seemed to say to Trump that Chris was not his man.
tone
Trump was too kind to Chris. His boardroom advice I translated as: You've got potential, and I'm willing to give you another chance if you do this and this.

Well, he didn't so he's gone.

I thought the way things were going that there was going to be a cab sharing.

More importantly: Wasn't Carolyn supposed to be in charge this week? Did I miss something?
Eliot

If you noticed, there was no cheering at the end when he entered the suite, unlike when Kristi returned last week.[/quote]

Just crickets chirping.

What was interesting was, you could actually see past Markus into the suite and people were just standing there...stunned.
foultemptress

Wasn't Carolyn supposed to be in charge this week? Did I miss something? [/quote]

I think we got a preview of a number of weeks last week. So Carolyn will be in charge in the near future.
juiceman
I guess that Chris didn't watch previous seasons of The Apprentice. You never let your emotions dictate who you bring in the boardroom with you. I believe it was Ereka from season 1 who did this. You will lose everytime.
baby pickles
I thought both presentations tonight were awful, and on par with those embarassing Dove campaigns from last season's group. Neither theme was very cohesive or persuasive, nor were they executed well. "Green with envy?" and "Prove it." That's the best they could come up with? Blech. I don't see much creativity or originality from anyone so far. Except maybe Josh ... I kinda like him and see some potential.

Is it me, or does Markus look a little like Ron Reagan, Jr.?

re: the small "i" in Italian? Pick a different font if it looks like a backwards 7. Moron.
mbridgii

More importantly: Wasn't Carolyn supposed to be in charge this week? Did I miss something?[/quote]
That's what I was thinking. Did DT get his widdle ego all bent out of shape because she dared to sit in the Hair Chair?
WinkyDink
My main objection to both campaigns is this: stereotype or not, Italian sports cars are NOT about "intimidation"; they are about "sex-ay". A sexiness that takes your breath away, zero to 60 in 4 seconds. IMHO!

ETA: Better Excel should have capitalized BOTH "Italian" and "Intimidation", so as to make it like a personified force.
BibiBella
jodeci, here's Kristi's bio....born and bred in Georgia, still lives there:


Kristi, 24, top sales executive for Gold Creek Golf Club, a high profile 27-hole golf course in Dawsonville, Ga., exceeded her yearly quota of $600,000 in her first four months on the job. Kristi went on to reach a total of $1.3 million in sales while becoming a Vice President and leading her sales team. She received a full scholarship to play soccer at Truett McConnel College and Brenau University. She was an All-American Nominee and was nationally ranked. Kristi was able to accomplish all of this after having a premature child at the age of 16. With her daughter now in second grade she has found the man of her dreams who she is to marry this fall. They will continue to live in Gainesville, Ga. [/quote]
seawind

It doesn't matter if you're a better candidate and one of your teammates is a total trainwreck, if you're the PM and you lose, you're still going home.[/quote]

Not so sure that's true...Trump and Co. practically shouted to Chris who he should bring to the boardroom (Mark), told him who lost the task (Mark), and told him who *didn't* lose the task for them (Marcus), so I think if Chris had listened and brought in Mark, he would have been safe and Mark would have been fired. I agree that sometimes Trump has let someone on a team go for being a total disaster, but to the point where it really affected the performance of the specific task, and since Marcus was taken off tasks early on, well...there you go. At least Trump was smart enough to note that he didn't think Marcus would last long.

Why oh why do the new Apprenti never listen or learn in the boardroom? Haven't they seen previous episodes? Don't they know that if Trump asks you 3 or 4 times if you're REALLY, REALLY SURE you only want to bring one person back with you, that maybe you should reconsider and bring someone else in?? Oy.

I have to admit I was surprised the women won; when they did their little "performance" before the video I cringed and put my hands over my eyes. That was painful. But, the campaign actually looked good. I thought the men had a great idea with morphing the car, but it didn't look so good on screen. And the ads were blah - although, really, getting on someone for making an "i" lowercase is IMHO ridiculous. I work with marketers all the time who think that something like that is going to make or break an ad, and they are so wrong. Details are important, yes, but not to the point of one letter. Now the points about feeling more from the women's campaign - that is worth focusing on. So kudos to two seasons of female Apprenti getting the car campaigns right! :)

Oh, and Marcus, for god's sake shut up and just work. Better yet, don't shut up so you can be gone sooner.
The Palace Worm
Damn. Everybody beat me to the punch. You guys all said what I was going to!

But....I think it must have been Opposite Night or something. I really don't like Carolyn that much, but she said what I thought when I first saw Team Excel's ad, "This is boring." I mean really. The damn thing was never ending! I really love George, but I thought his, "You lost this thing on the terrace." was a bit nasty and uncalled for. And how did he actually know that noone would be able to keep a clear head about the task? Because they were all so thrilled being around the car? Doesn't add up to me.

But you still rock George!

Really starting to hate Josh. He reminds me of John from last season. I kept thinking that Markus would lose, then I thought, "Gee, whom shall Josh find to hate for no reason now?"

That thing with the women was like kabuki or something. But when they shut the hell up and showed the car, it all came together. That ruled.

Markus doesn't talk when he's in the Boardroom? Even though he can do it during meetings and WHEN TRUMP IS TELLING HIM TO SHUT UP BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOSER AS OF JUST YET? Hmmm.....And we thought Danny was desperate for attention. I see Markus getting really cocky now. Maybe he thinks his "win" was "smooth as silk"

Beginning to see the Kristi hate. She's hot and all, but, does she HAVE to hate everyone else on her team?

When was the last time you saw a Boardroom that was that great? That "to the point-for the most part drama free-stick to the issues" great?

God bless america!
ScaryFairy1
You just know when Marcus is PM the Frats are going to sink his ass.

There was definitely the whiff of a bum's rush there. Sure, Marcus isn't a stellar player (thus far), but I'd hardly call him a disaster. As someone pointed out above, the Frats formed a football circle right away and shut Marcus out. Yup, he can be annoying and, yup, he spoke out of turn in the meeting, and yup, he needed to be supervised, but it seems like he was the odd man out pretty much from the begnning. Team Frat seems to be of the opinion that he's secretly working for the women.

I have to admit that I had issues with the We Have Penises and Know Cars mindset, but at least Chris did have them moving. I wasn't wishing for his ass to be toast until he steadfastly refused to see DT's "Bring Mark into the Board Room" Interpretive Dance. By going after the "don't fit in guy" Chris signed his own death warrant. Good call DT!

Oh, and Chris? The sign of a good leader is when he's willing to listen to someone he doesn't particularly like. Blowing off everything Marcus said (although Marcus really needs to learn to keep his mouth shut...no filter that one) is not a sign of a good leader.

Oh, and Kristi? STFU. Marshawn was PMing and she assumed the Russian Teammate knew what she was doing and let her run with it. Funny how all the other women thought she was good enough to get an exemption but you. Sadly, I think you might outlast Marshawn. And that sucks.
basiltherat
Markus = Love Child of John Kerry and Craig Ferguson
musichic2000
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Bumpo

That was Dove commercial chef-hat territory.[/quote]
I thought of the chef-hat debacle as soon as they all walked in wearing black. Ugh.
PinkyTuscadero

He isn't perfect and he did have a ridiculous idea (Smooth as silk), but his attitude, though hardly proffesional, is clearly an instinctive responce to the meatheads' obvious disdain towards him[/quote]

The ironic thing was, Marcus was the only one on his team who was passionate about the product. The fact that he owned a car dealership should have made Chris listen to him more. The were just all too busy whipping out their dicks to prove who had the bigger weenie that they didn't notice. Come to think of it, that would have been a much better campaign idea than the boring, emotionless one they had. I would have loved to see that snooty Lamborghini rep's face.

The women's team is just unimpressive. Alla and Kristi both grate on my nerves. The clearly seem to think that anyone who isn't them is a loser. I was turned off by the Hether-ish vibe I got from them while they were bad mouthing Marshawn in the car. Something tells me that when Alla finally leads she'll be a nightmare.
heebiejeebie
Wow. Bad Apprentice is back. With a vengeance. Shots of the funeral?! How incredibly inappropriate. Last week? "everyone hates you, you must be a bitch, you msut go" This week? "everyone hates you, I know you are a bumbling fool, but you give good tv in a bunch of boring idiots, so you must stay".

Granted Trump fed Chris his out. But Markus and Melissa are two sides of the same coin.

The mens presentation was boring, flat dry and uninspired. The women's though was just embarrassing. I miss Kendra. No way she would have let that amateurish piece of crap past her. And then they did that march in and shout out. What was that? Marketing by Majorettes? When does the voice in your head say "there's something wrong here"? We know Markus does not have such a voice. Or way too many.

I was disappointed. Chris was destined to get the heave eventually. But keeping Markus because he did not lose them the task was weak semantics. If marketing a "XXX" flyer for a fitness class did not lose the women the task last week, then why did Markus not cost them the task this week? Markus who did have some ideas and they were horrible? Markus who could not perfom a simple task and intead of coming up with an alternative to what he thought were bad ideas, just whined. Adding a question mark would not have solved the "green with envy problem". The problem was having the car that was supposed to produce envy being green. What they should have done was have the car drive past a bunch of others and have them turn green.

Is Kendra's the only real good ad campaign we have seen on this show? The jeans campaign that Jen tried to take over was clever but I think Kendra's was the only to knock the socks off the people who were judging.
fictionista

Call me crazy, but IMO Marcus isn't the disaster everyone seems to think he is...All I see is a goofy-looking guy who talks a lot ...what's so horrible about it?[/quote]

I agree. He lacks confidence, but he could be ok with some experience and a little polish.

Green with envy? Would have been 10 times better. But they had already made up their minds about Markus, so they weren't trying to hear anything he said.

Kristi is probably still holding a grudge from last week because Marshawn questioned her flyers. On the one hand, I could understand her wanting the pm to be with them to shoot the video. But her voice and attitude totally ruined her argument for me. I think in this case, Marshawn decided to put her energy into the print work since she trusted Alla to do the video. I don't think she was shirking responsibility.

Besides, Kristi's face is...is...bulbous. [/shallow]

Poor Randal.

I'm annoyed with the editing. I want to see more of everyone else. I feel like I only know 5 of these people.


Oh, and Trupm should fire his makeup person. In the beginning, you could clearly see where his brown face ended and his white neck ears/neck began. Dude, that's not cute.
YoureSoUrban
Calvin Klein Obsession - yes!! Thank you, coastcat. I was just incredulous. The women's opening presentation was like a MadTV spoof of the Obsession campaign.

Ok… at the risk of sounding like a real cold-hearted bitch, e-freakin-nough about Randal and the grandmother and the helicopter and the funeral and the taking some time and the paying respects. Hopefully we are moving on now. I need to see that brother doing some work.

And Little Miss Cutesie pie Kristi is getting a little passive aggressive for my taste – Kristi spent the better part of the task bitching about Marshawn but when it came down to saying something to the woman's face in the conference room she just pouted. I cannot stand people like that in the workplace. I love how Marshawn wasn’t provoked. I think she is playing it cool so these fools have no room to dub her Omorosa2.0.
lostcawz

IIRC in past seasons, George has asked why they didn't marginalize team members when they have proven to be disruptive whereas in this case, Chris marginalized Markus before even giving him a shot to be absolutely disruptive like Melissa was.[/quote]



Chris: "Whatever you do guys, don't push the big red 'Blow Up the World in Case of Alien Invasion' button."

Five second pause...

Markus: "Hey, I have an idea." Pushes big red 'Blow Up the World in Case of Alien Invasion' button.

World blows up.


I'm paraphrasing, but I think you get the drift.

That and the ineptitude at the street was enough to marginilize Markus. Plus it's not like he was kept out of meetings. Even Mark agreed with the envy thing, he just didn't see it as a big deal, so it's not like Markus was completely ignored.

Though in the RW waiting until someone totally fucks up is probably not good, it is a decent strategy on a gameshow I guess. Still, Markus needs to go.
charma
Might I have a Markus moment here and say I knew last week, Kristi was a pain in the ass?

I knew when she smirked like a geek in the boardroom. Melissa was a disaster ut Kristi was no walk in the park either.

She reminds me of Nancy Grace for some reason. Ugh.
depthfunction
I'm perfectly willing to overlook the lower-case "i" in Italian, but that "green with envy" slogan was just stoopid. I'm not sure those guys even understand what the expression "green with envy" even means. And wasn't Chris the one who said early in the hour that he hated cliches in advertising? Isn't "green with envy" a cliche?
druish princess
This episode shows how Markus is the Staci J of this season.
Ashforth

And was anyone else expecting Capital Edge to break out into a Robert Palmer song?[/quote] I thought they were going to whip around with the print ad posters and perform some sort of dance like [old fart moment] I think it was the June Taylor dancers who used to be on an old variety show... Dean Martin? Why, I remember...[/old fart moment]


My problem is George's questioning of Chris about marginilizing Marcus. Previously they've bitched that PMs didn't marginilize bad players, now he's raking Chris over the coals about doing just that.[/quote] I don't think George had a problem with the marginalization of Markus. The problem was that Chris was effective in marginalizing him but then blamed the loss on him. Can't have it both ways, Chris.

If the women had lost, Marshawn would have rightfully been blamed for not participating at all in the video-making. I think it's fair that Kristi didn't think she deserved the exemption. I also thought Kristi had guts to say so instead of going along with the crowd. I don't love her, but I'm kinda liking her.

Funny contrast between the shrieks of joy that greeted Kristi when she returned to the suite last week and the apparent silence when Markus opened the door this week.
thuganomics85
Chris, you FOOL! You should have brought Mark in. I hate him more then I hate you.

Seriously, Chris can't read a room. It was clear as day that Trump wanted Mark gone. He should have brought both of them in. Mark would have been fired, and Markus still would have been called a diaster. It would have worked for me.

Poor Randal. I hope he wins.

On a shallow note: Toral is hot. I haven't seen enough of her yet, but she does seem to be competent and smart. But for now, the hottiness is enough for her to be my second favorite (behind Randal.) I just hope she does better the other contestant with Indian hertiage (Raj. I liked him, but he wasn't all that.)

That being said, I was sort of disappionted with Trump, Carolyn, and George. Yeah Chris deserved to go, but I wanted more Markus dissing. They were too nice to him, in my opinion.
baby pickles
It bugged me that the car on the "Green with envy" ad wasn't centered on the page, under the text.


Do Lamborghinis even come in green anyway?

Heh. With a car that expensive, I'm sure you can get it in whatever color you want. [/quote]
Yes. But you need permission.
fangums

And Mouthy McBlabsalot - Shut Up, you dink. [/quote]
Yeah. You're gonna have to narrow that down for me a bit more. I'm thinking several to whom this could apply ...
YoureSoUrban

I'm annoyed with the editing. I want to see more of everyone else. I feel like I only know 5 of these people.[/quote]

Word. When Trump asked "James" his opinion in the boardroom I was like "WHO?" Same for "Rebecca" until she smashed her foot.
ghettofabman

The ironic thing was, Marcus was the only one on his team who was passionate about the product. The fact that he owned a car dealership should have made Chris listen to him more. The were just all too busy whipping out their dicks to prove who had the bigger weenie that they didn't notice. Come to think of it, that would have been a much better campaign idea than the boring, emotionless one they had. I would have loved to see that snooty Lamborghini rep's face. [/quote]

Ha ha ha! Aw naw, hell naw, Pinky, you done up and done it!

I agree with everyone's point about them shutting out Markus instead of listening to him. The guy owned a car dealership for crying out loud!

Chris took too many blows to the head because dude is too stupid. Mark can be your friend, but he is your COMPETITOR and he is vying for the same job you are! You could have knocked him off and bought yourself a couple more weeks. Idiot.

Speaking of Mark, did anyone else feel as if he was channeling Cucumber Dick Bren with his antics this episode? He left a bad taste in Trumpy's mouth. OK, that came out wrong. Ah, well.....moving along.

I liked the ladies' presentation. I thought that it was very creative. Wonder who came up with the black suit performance?
muchsarcasm

Lamborghini Guy looked like a major asshole, like the living corporate embodiment of Dieter from Shprockets....the whole time I was looking at him, I was picturing Mike Myers doing a skit of his mannerisms, especially the pinched Germanic bitchface. [/quote]
I was thinking the exact same thing!

Those print ads from the guys looked like they were selling Kias and not Lamborghinis.

Islanders, huh? My guess is they were scouting for anyone to play on their third and fourth lines.

I wholeheartedly agree with everyone who noted how cringe-worthy that Capital Edge presentation was. Save that kind of showmanship for your San Dimas High School history project.
NotTheBox

It bugged me that the car on the "Green with envy" ad wasn't centered on the page, under the text.[/quote]

It bugged me that it was the same green as an M&M, and that the page layout was portrait instead of landscape, and that there was so much white space between the text and the car. And that the font looked like something you'd use to sell a Dodge Neon. And heritage? WTF does that have to do with a sports car?
LadyKenobi
Was it just me, or did anyone notice that on one of the men's stupid posters they forgot to tear off all the wrapping on the upper left hand corner?

And the car in the "Green With Envy" one, was that the car they were selling, or another car? Shouldn't you... not have the car you're not selling in an ad? And if it was the car they were selling, why is it envious of itself? I... I don't get it.
Bassari99

You just know when Marcus is PM the Frats are going to sink his ass.[/quote]
Chances are, he may never get to be PM again. I agree, Markus has a tough row to hoe gaining the Frat Boys' respect. He simply does nott fit in, nor is he trying to change their perception of him. In another context, Markus may be a smart man, but he seems too dumb to know that his goose is cooked.
juiceman

It bugged me that the car on the "Green with envy" ad wasn't centered on the page, under the text.[/quote]

Do Lamborghinis even come in green anyway?
tiggeril

I don't think George had a problem with the marginalization of Markus. The problem was that Chris was effective in marginalizing him but then blamed the loss on him. Can't have it both ways, Chris.[/quote]
Exactly.


That being said, I was sort of disappionted with Trump, Carolyn, and George. Yeah Chris deserved to go, but I wanted more Markus dissing. They were too nice to him, in my opinion.[/quote]
I think we may see more of it in coming weeks. It's not like any of them actually like the guy. Trump's given him more than one shot across the bows too. Unless Markus finally gets a clue and shapes up, he's gone soon.


Kristi is probably still holding a grudge from last week because Marshawn questioned her flyers. On the one hand, I could understand her wanting the pm to be with them to shoot the video. But her voice and attitude totally ruined her argument for me. I think in this case, Marshawn decided to put her energy into the print work since she trusted Alla to do the video. I don't think she was shirking responsibility. [/quote]
Yep. Like last season, where Kendra PMed the celebrity auction task. She saw that Tana and Craig were doing just fine with negotiations, so she headed back to the studio to work on production.


The guy owned a car dealership for crying out loud! [/quote]
Have you seen the average car dealership commercial? It doesn't exactly signal "marketing genius."


Do Lamborghinis even come in green anyway?[/quote]
Heh. With a car that expensive, I'm sure you can get it in whatever color you want.
ScaryFairy1

Chances are, he may never get to be PM again.[/quote]

Quite right. My mistake. He got no exemption this week. They need to whittle down a little more so I can keep 'em straight.

That little "i" think still bugs. Sure it was done on purpose, but it looked like a huge honking typo. Any design element you have to explain is a bad one.

And "Italian Intimidation"? WtH? That was a pretty stupid tag line, too.
lostcawz
The mens print ads looked much like VW Beetle ads. Especially the lime green one. Is that really a Lamborgini color?

Another problem I had with the grilling of Chris was the return to 'sucker of the week' firings. The flipside to what I said earlier about being to early to coast on a good record is that it's also too early to be fired on a bad record if you did 'ok' on the current task. But George's attack certainly leaves the impression that a weeks of total fuckups are fine so long as you don't one person fucks up slightly more than you after weeks of kicking your ass.

I'm being a bit preemptive, but this sort of contradictory crap by Trump is what brought down my enjoyment of TA since Season Two.
musichic2000
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askew

Was it just me, or did anyone notice that on one of the men's stupid posters they forgot to tear off all the wrapping on the upper left hand corner?[/quote]

I noticed that too. I actually had to freeze the Tivo to double-check. Couldn't they have put Marckus in charge of unwrapping the posters? That seems like a marginal enough task for him.

And put me in the minority that agreed with Kristi. The Women's PM shouldn't have gotten an excemption, if she couldn't be bothered to come and look at the video once in the 10 hours they were working on it. Chris managed to be involved in both portions of the presentation, I don't see why the Women's PM couldn't do the same.
tiggeril

I have a feeling that Marshawn would have assigned blame to the video team if the Lamborghini people had something negative to say about their commercial.[/quote]
Yeah, but as we've seen in the past three seasons, she would likely have done that even if she was with the video team the whole time. :)
fangums

And put me in the minority that agreed with Kristi. The Women's PM shouldn't have gotten an excemption[/quote]
I admit I'm looking forward to seeing the fallout next week of Kristi being the only one to say no exemption. That's not gonna earn her any brownie points in the suite.
tone

The guy owned a car dealership for crying out loud![/quote]I heard Markus say that, but I thought when he was doing a confessional it said he was an Inventor.
lostcawz
I agree with Kristi's sentiment regarding Marshawn's lack of involvment, but after last week and after every other member gave her the exemption, it was very very ballsy (read: stupid) to speak up.
LolaLilaLilly
I thought the video of the guy's campaign was clearly "teh sux".

Wasn't one or two shots of the Lamobrghini just sitting in a parking lot with like a part of a cab in the background?

You don't take still shots of freaking Lamborghini in a video! Especialy ones of it just sitting in a parking lot with some random POS in the background.

The women did make me cringe with their little "presentation", you don't need a cute little skit. Just go in there and deliver your damn campaign!
Camo

I forsee showdown between Kristi and Marshawn in the coming weeks.[/quote]

I think so too, culturemaven. I hope it results in Marshawn exposing Kristi as a slightly dumb, arrogant, ill-spoken little bitch.

While being around Markus would lead me either to meditation or hysterical deafness, I hate to see that all-against-one dynamic. It's just uncomfortable. And Josh needs to shove his dark-rimmed smart guy glasses, non-trenchant observations and obnoxiously corporate-boho persona up his ass.

I'm really liking the show, though.
ScaryFairy1

Another problem I had with the grilling of Chris was the return to 'sucker of the week' firings. The flipside to what I said earlier about being to early to coast on a good record is that it's also too early to be fired on a bad record even if you did 'ok' on the current task. But George's attack certainly leaves the impression that a weeks of total fuckups are fine so long as you don't one person fucks up slightly more than you after weeks of kicking your ass.[/quote]

See? I didn't get that impression at all.

Chris wouldn't have been fired if he brought in the guy most responsible for losing the task (Mark). Trump told Chris several times and in several ways and stopped just short of practically ordering Chris to bring Mark into the room along with Marcus.

Trump was actually right: Mark made an emotional decision to protect his buddy and bring in someone he didn't like. He did not make a business decision to bring in one of the parties most responsible for screwing up the task. Furthermore, Chris obviously cannot read a room or cannot take direction. Trump pointed out that he was handing Mark to Chris on a silver platter just before he fired Chris.

So, Chris made an emotional decision to bring Marcus into the room, attempted to pin the loss on Marcus even though Marcus was frozen out (I'm with other people who think George was trying to say that you can't sideline someone and then blame them for the loss — you can't have it both ways), and can't take a hint if it was dancing naked in front of his face and wearing a party hat with tinkly bells.

Trump was actually right to fire Chris in this instance.

It's equally clear in the taxi ride of shame that Chris still doesn't get why he was fired. He was still complaining about how Marcus didn't fit into the team.
auntiemame

And "Italian Intimidation"?[/quote]

Seriously. WTF? And the "rebirth" of it, besides? Like what was the first iteration of Italian intimidation, the Borgias? Mussolini? Do we need to bring those things back?
askew

I admit I'm looking forward to seeing the fallout next week of Kristi being the only one to say no exemption. That's not gonna earn her any brownie points in the suite.[/quote]

Unless Marshawn coasts on her exemption. Then Kristi's going to look like a genius. Also, the women she was working with on the video heard her bitching about Marshawn not being a very good PM. With Kristi voting no on the exemption, she doesn't risk appearing two-faced to those women. I think it was a smart move personally.
thuganomics85

And put me in the minority that agreed with Kristi. The Women's PM shouldn't have gotten an excemption.[/quote]

I also agree. I didn't think Marshawn "sucked", but she really was hands-off on this task. If they really did spend 10 hours on the video, I'm sure she had plenty of time to check it out. I do think that Kristi came off a bit bitchy about it (and it looked bad coming from a losing PM), but I get were she's coming from.

I choose not to hate ever one right now. But we'll see how long that lasts. I have a feeling the feud might continue.
Stardancer2001

The Women's PM shouldn't have gotten an excemption, if she couldn't be bothered to come and look at the video once in the 10 hours they were working on it.[/quote]

I don't know; Marshawn told them to let her see it when they were done. I'm the type of person who wouldn't need a boss looking over my shoulder every minute during work. Sometimes you have to trust that work is being done and look over the results when it is done. This whole "babysitting" thing is for children, not adults IMHO.
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