Cleo256
Sep 28, 2005 @ 2:26 pm
Lame subject, I know, but I couldn't come up with anything better.
This is by far my favorite season of the show, and it's just come out on DVD. I am so very tempted to buy it, but it's expensive and won't include "The Expanse", which starts the story.
It's got arc-y goodness, it's got actions and consequences, it's not obsessed with prequeling TOS. This is
Star Trek finally looking at shows like
Farscape and trying to adopt some of the things that worked for them and finally bringing its storytelling out of the 80s.
Not to mention "Twilight" and "Similitude", two of the series's best episodes. And "Azati Prime", one of my favorites for the way it moves the plot along.
Here's a
DVD review.
frenchtoast
Sep 28, 2005 @ 3:41 pm
I'm with you, cleo, my favorite season is S3, by far. Season three was the only time I couldn't wait to see the next episode. Even some of the ones that I didn't particularly care for when they first aired, "North Star" and "Carpenter Street" come to mind, are still fun to re-watch. The only episode that I hated, and I really hated it for a while, was the Hoshi and the Beast episode. "Exile" I think it was called. That was awful.
And I really, honestly believe it was the arc-y goodness that helped. It gave them a direction and a reason to really explore some of the darker side of the characters. The only bad thing going for it is CRACK WHORE T'Pol. That was such a huge disappointment.
RiverThames
Sep 28, 2005 @ 4:03 pm
I'm with you there, Cleo. It was a real, honest stab at moving forward into modern television storytelling. S4 had some real bright spots, but it spent far too much energy looking back rather than forward.
Peachy Keen
Sep 28, 2005 @ 4:40 pm
It's a standard joke among Trekkies that the main crew never dies. The third season was the best because I honestly believed that the main crew could die. The desperation of the crew, and of the show itself, was palpable and kept me near the edge of my seat. (Except for Exile which was nineteen kinds of awful and Shipment which I watched with the sound off. The story was bad, but Archer, Reed and Hayes were pretty.)
Had Archer actually died in the big Xindi ball, I would have taken back everything bad I ever said about Bermaga and would credit them with Big Brass Testes of Brilliance. (Maybe it's a good thing Quantum didn't die then, eh?)
pennyq
Sep 28, 2005 @ 6:19 pm
I agree. This was, hands down the best season (aside from the CRACK WHORE part, which I try to forget). When they were talking about cancelling the show at the end of the season, I strongly objected because I thought the show had finally found its niche. While I think that the entire season really didn't have a place in the continuity of the Star Trek universe, and the time travel aspect gave me a headache when I tried to think about it, I kind of didn't care. It made for good TV and good character development.
I really wish they had actually killed off Archer at the end. Then maybe they would have been able to do something decent with season 4 instead of the bog of prequelitis it got sucked into. And we wouldn't have had to sit through Storm Front, which was really incredibly disappointing after the build up from season 3. I happen to love Scott Bakula, but I really hated Quantum. And while some characters are meant to be hated, clearly that's not what they were going for.
BanjoSteve
Oct 10, 2005 @ 3:17 pm
I missed the last half of this season when it first aired, so I've just been catching up on DVD, and I was blown away. Who knew Enterprise could be entertaining? My favorite episode so far is Damage. I know it was the ep that brought us T'Pol the CRACK WHORE, but knowing what happened in advance helped, I think, because the plot revelation was secondary to the performance, which was magnificent. Jolene Blalock rocked the scene in sickbay when she's telling Phlox how she got hooked. Her shame and her resignation to hitting rock bottom was palpable. Great episode. And that doesn't even get into the Quantum Quandry plot, which deserves to be mentioned alongside In the Pale Moonlight.
frenchtoast
Oct 10, 2005 @ 3:48 pm
My favorite scene in "Damage" is when Quantum and Phlox have their talk, in half darkness. It was just so depressing after the hellish battle they'd been through, to be so close and yet so far away and to see the slippery slope he was starting on. And what I really liked is how I disagreed so strongly with his decision, strange as that sounds. Yes, I expect a captain not to be a thief and a thug. Actually, if they had done an episode in S4 where they went back to find that ship, I would have been so very, very happy. Instead, it was forgotten and Quantum soothed his soul with mountain nookie.
Yes, I am still pissed about the cliffhanger ending to S3 and the stupid resolution and how S3 was essentially forgotten in S4. Well, not forgotten, but handled so clumsily.
pennyq
Oct 10, 2005 @ 4:36 pm
how S3 was essentially forgotten in S4. Well, not forgotten, but handled so clumsily.
Exactly! They sort of followed up on the CRACK WHOREage, but they mucked up the Trip/T'Pol relationship. While it was fairly consistent in season 3, it was horribly disjointed in season 4. They tried to address how the Xindi conflict screwed up Quantum, but they made it seem like getting laid in
Home cured him. And they tried to address how Earth reacted to the whole thing by stating that basically, people came down with an acute case of xenophobia. It was all just so superficial. There was so much character development that they never bothered to follow up on, and so many loose ends that could have made interesting stories. I wanted to see the real, life-altering consequences, but it seemed like the writers wanted to wrap them up in a couple of episodes.
And to go along with the desire to find the ship they stole the warp coil from, I would have liked to see some mention of the planet from
North Star.
Cleo256
Oct 11, 2005 @ 3:06 pm
I would have liked to see some of those loose S3 threads tied up in S4. Particularly NotDamar's ship. Not only was he stranded, but his entire purpose was to study the Expanse, which was wiped out by Trip and T'Pol! So now he's stuck out there with nothing to do. You just know that if the series had kept going, NotDamar would have turned up in season 5 or 6, all hell-bent on revenge for Quantum wronging him.
I would have loved to see an episode where Quantum goes looking for NotDamar and brings him a shiny new warp coil and a plate of brownies and does the Shirt-off Chainsaw Sorry Dance from "A Night in Sickbay". Or something like that. Something that shows some intelligence about righting wrongs.
RiverThames
Oct 12, 2005 @ 8:22 am
You know, in retrospect, I far preferred "North Star" giving a nod to the kind of stories TOS used to do over S4's desperate clinging to TOS continuity.
frenchtoast
Nov 8, 2005 @ 12:12 pm
You know, in retrospect, I far preferred "North Star" giving a nod to the kind of stories TOS used to do over S4's desperate clinging to TOS continuity.
While allowing my sprained ankle to heal, I popped in my S3 DVDs and watched "North Star" and listened to the commentary. It was some assistant director, but he made pretty much that exact same comment. Rather than stick only to continuity, the episode emulated the spirit of TOS. If that makes sense. He also made a comment how from about that point in the season ENT really seemed to hit its Star Trek stride. I would have to agree wholeheartedly.
Also, he explained how they got the costumes and weaponry. Well, sort of. Apparently, Enterprise has really good tailors and engineers that can make a harmonica and guns and clothes. Yeah. Whatever.
Peachy Keen
Nov 11, 2005 @ 4:14 pm
You know, until I watched my S3 DVD's, I had never seen "Rajin." How had I been so lucky to miss the Fri showing, the sunday showing and both re-runs?
Are we to infer that Rajin was purchased by the SnakeEyes to seek out bio info on the humans, so that they could build their bio-weapon, and that she spent the remainder of her few days on this mortal coil being tortured by the Snakes for anything further she might know? I wonder if the SnakeEyes ate her? Maybe they only eat mice.
Harrison Fjord
Nov 11, 2005 @ 4:50 pm
How had I been so lucky to miss the Fri showing
There's your problem right there (or, in this case, your solution). At the time,
Enterprise was on Wednesdays!
Peachy Keen
Nov 11, 2005 @ 5:23 pm
Heh! I thought it moved to Fri during S3! (Still consider myself lucky though.)
Santanico
Nov 12, 2005 @ 4:44 am
You know, when I saw the ep, I assumed (like Keckler) that Raijin was going to be a recurring villain (who, doubtless, would eventually have been won over to the Light Side by witnessing the ENT crew's inspiring displays of indomitable human blah blah blah; you know the drill). I was rather surprised - though not unpleasantly - when that didn't actually transpire.
frenchtoast
Jan 23, 2006 @ 11:45 pm
I was watching "The Shipment" today from my DVDs if only to see Malcolm and his poor aim. I had totally forgotten about the worm/grub things in the Reptilian weaponry until I saw it again this afternoon. Obviously, it's not a huge thing, but still, it would have been nice to hear about again.
keckler
Jan 24, 2006 @ 2:23 am
A lot of things would have been nice to hear about again.
frenchtoast
Jan 24, 2006 @ 10:10 am
True, true. Though we did hear about Gralik again during "Stratagem" which I thought was pretty good for ENT.
Which reminds me of how pissed I was they brought Daniels in during "Azati Prime". He was a necessary link in "Carpenter Street" and I could take that, but during "Azati Prime" it was completely unnecessary, even if it did sort of explain why the Xindi were so gung ho to eradicate humans. If it had set up why he threw Archer and Co. back to WWII it may have been acceptable, but it didn't. It was pointless. As was the WWII storyline, which was a poor wrap-up of the TCW.
I still like season 3 of ENT the best. Despite many of the holes, most of the episodes held my attention, especially the latter half of the season. It helps if I overlook the trellium-D addiction story which was just poorly conceived and quite insulting to T'Pol and the viewer.
Peachy Keen
Jan 25, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
I was home sick yesterday and was also watching S3. I think Toast and I are sharing brainwaves!
What bugs me most about Shipment is that they spent time working on a rivalry between Hayes and Reed, but the person who hit the shot that Reed missed was Archer. When did Archer become a crack shot?
I was watching Harbinger and Hatchery. I love watching the fight between my two boyfriends, and watching Archer get mutinied. That was the reason I watched Azati Prime. I enjoy watching Archer get his ass kicked. It should've happened more often.
frenchtoast
Jan 25, 2006 @ 1:59 pm
Get out of my head, Peachy! (Kidding!)
Archer is the best at everything. Does Daniels have to come down and refresh your memory?
Harrison Fjord
Jan 25, 2006 @ 2:16 pm
As was the WWII storyline, which was a poor wrap-up of the TCW.
You know, maybe the formation of UPN and the WB in to "The CW" is just a clever ploy to bring back a Trek to finally explain who Shower Guy was and what the point of the TCW was supposed to be.
Peachy Keen
Jan 25, 2006 @ 3:52 pm
Silly Harrison, decent storylines and reasonable endings are for kids! And Punks!
French, I double dog dare Daniels to come anywhere within arms reach of me! *smiles evilly* My foot has a date with his ass and the airlock.
Peachy Keen
Apr 10, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
For those of you watching the Monday night blocks, we have started Season Three. Absolutely the best of all seasons of ENT.
The Xindi, Anomaly, Extinction and Rajin. I love shy little Hoshi plopping herself down at a table full of manly MACO's! That's how you write character development! (*grumbles* Not suddenly making her Buffy the Linguist in Space in S4*Grumbles*). I love how Malcolm, the Gun Guy, is suddenly trying to smooth everyone's ruffled feathers. He tries to soothe Trip and gets shot down. He tries to soothe Archer and is Furrowed. Come here, baby, I'll make it better.
I don't think that Archer's behavior really changes much between S1/2 and S3, it's just that global annhialation makes more sense for his obnoxious assery. Although I think that throwing some guy out of the airlock would make more sense if Archer had lost someone personally in the attack, or if he ever gave me the impression that Trip's sister was like his sister. Something like that. Instead he just comes off as a crisis junkie and a famewhore. YMMV, of course.
Extinction is one I like. I like that on top of all Archers worries about wiping out all Xindi, he's faced with wiping out a virus and exterminating a group of people he likes first. It gives him time to think about it (and Heaven knows, Archer needs lots of time to think about stuff. He's not the quickest arrow in the quiver!)
Rajin. Oy. I like that they tie up the loose ends here later in the season, and I like the trading market, but Slutty Alien giving the whole ship hand jobs is just more than I can stomach.
Amelie06
Apr 15, 2007 @ 9:45 am
I'm watching the Monday night blocks and I'm so happy we have finally made it to season 3. This is when everything kind of came together. I hated Trip and T'Pol so much in the earlier seasons that I originally just quit watching the show. I didn't come back until season 3 because I heard that both characters had really changed and developed. Trip really wore soul stealing grief well. Sadly, Captain Quantum was always meant to be a useless asshole.
Belchimaera
Apr 15, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
I still find it really hard to watch the Monday eps because I just want to throw things at Archer.
Although I think that throwing some guy out of the airlock would make more sense if Archer had lost someone personally in the attack, or if he ever gave me the impression that Trip's sister was like his sister. Something like that. Instead he just comes off as a crisis junkie and a famewhore. YMMV, of course.
I agree. I mostly liked that scene (that was airlocking before Roslin made it a favourite punishment, right?!) but imagine if it had been Trip/Connor Trineer doing it. Now that would have been emotion-filled.
Peachy Keen
Apr 16, 2007 @ 10:58 am
Just a brief word about tonight's eps.
Impulse is AWESOME! Vulcan Zombies, dude! Exile (otherwise known as Hoshi and the Beast) and Shipment (three pretty boys with big guns on TV and all I want to do is go to sleep???) are vomit-inducing crap-fests. And Twilight is the best episode of the entire series.
frenchtoast
Apr 16, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
I hope those that haven't seen these episodes aren't visiting this forum yet, but I just have to comment on Impulse. What I like so much about this episode, aside from the fact that it gave me the heebiejeebies is that it carried over through the season. It handicapped them, it answered a question first posed at the end of last season, and as much as I hate it's end result (T'Pol's character assassination), it at least made sense. Well, not characterwise, but it was a harbinger (hee) of seasonal continuity and for that I am grateful.
Then again, info they got from the first sphere where the space pirates were hiding is used again. That's excellent continuity and for that I really, really liked Season 3
Also, I have to say, from about Twilight on, most of the episodes are pretty darn good. The only one that I can think of off the top of my head that I'd rather not watch again is E2. Other than that, they're all pretty entertaining.
Peachy Keen
Apr 16, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Absolutely, frenchtoast, everything after Twilight is good. Although my nemesis is The Council rather than E2.
Nothing will convince me that the writers had any endgame in mind when they created Rajin, but it was also tied in to continuity later with Carpenter Street.
(Harbinger, Hee!) :)
chancellorjake
Apr 17, 2007 @ 12:38 am
The Shipment was really good. I had forgotten how much Xindi information we got and how well it was done. Best of all, Archer didn't piss me off too much.
Of course, Twilight is and always will be the best episode of Enterprise. Humanity on the run is a scary thought and they did it very well. Plus, how could we not love Captain Trip!
joyceman
Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:12 am
I liked George Romero's take on Star Trek except for one small point, one thats actually been a problem for me through the series.
Dont Vulcans have superhuman strength? Couldnt Spock toss Kirk around like a rag doll? Was he just an anomaly or what?
Peachy Keen
Apr 17, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Well, they say that Trel-D eats away at the neuro-somethings and the Vulcans lose their control. I like to fanwank that it takes away more than emotional control over a period of time, in face leading to muscular degeneration. But that's just me, I think. ENT didn't pay too much attention to the super-powered Vulcans. How else would you have Super Archer? (Vomits quietly, Stupid Archer!)
The best part about Twilight is that it ups the stakes. We have the opportunity to see (even if the crew doesn't) that more than just Earth is at risk. The Xindi will kill all humans and then set about attacking Human allies. Everybody's screwed. I remember that Twilight is the reason the rest of the season has such great tension. It's also the reason that writer Mike Sussman became my imaginary TV boyfriend, but that's neither here nor there. :)
There's a moment at the end of Exile where "Archer" tells Hoshi that he's going to trade her for Xindi-info. What's most chilling is that Hoshi doesn't even blink. She totally believes that her captain would sell her into some perverted slavery to accomplish his mission. I wish they'd explored that emotional fallout later; it's got to be rough to be thought of as expendable by the captain leading the mission.
ndr
Apr 18, 2007 @ 10:18 am
Fleeing from the Xindi tyranny, the last starship, Enterprise leads a rag tag fugitive fleet on a lonely quest....
Something seems oddly familiar about Twighlight, and not just the similarities to Galactica. Also, the whole setup seemed like a retread of The Visitor from DS9.
pennyq
Apr 18, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
I thought Twilight was very different from The Visitor. There are definitely some rough similarities -- an alternate rather crappy future plays out when one man isn't able to play a leadership role, followed by a reset button. But they were both very well done and had their own unique relationship issues and resolutions. The Visitor mainly highlights the relationship between Benjamin and Jake Sisko, and at the end, Sisko is left with the knowledge of what happened. In Twilight we're shown what would happen with the Xindi situation if Archer were taken out of the picture. It's a terrible, bleak future, and in the end only the audience knows about it, thus serving to ratchet up the tension for us for the rest of the season. What I really thought was brilliant about it was the continuity with it for the rest of the season. While I'm not a huge Archer fan, we do see that had he been incapacitated, he never would have gotten the information about the location of the Xindi weapon from Degra in Strategem, he certainly wouldn't have gotten Degra on their side, and they wouldn't have gotten to it in time to prevent it from destroying Earth.
Peachy Keen
Apr 18, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Ah, Impulse! How I love you!
In spite of the fact that Trip lost his sister and can't sleep from grief, he's the one to point out to the captain that the rest of the crew is suffering from stress. Archer couldn't care less. Trip suggests Movie Night. Proving that Archer is still a self-centered jackass.
Then Trip asks T'Pol what she's doing on Tuesday, and she's all "I don't know." And he gives her a time. Then her face freezes and she starts cursing loudly in her head. "Fuck! He's talking about movie night!" HEE! I love Blalock in Season 3!
frenchtoast
Apr 18, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
I loved that scene. Blalock's facial expression was perfect. And Trip, despite dealing with a huge loss, is still thinking of the crew. Reason number 2 why he's a better captain than Archer. (Reason number 1 is he doesn't furrow as much.)
Gilmel
Apr 19, 2007 @ 1:36 am
Reason number 3 is he's cuter.
joyceman
Apr 19, 2007 @ 8:59 am
I think Twilight would make a helluva pilot episode. Of course, I love BSG so...
ThatPoshGirl
Apr 19, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
I didn't love Twighlight. It got good near the end but the first half bored me to tears. It kind of reminded me of the DS9 episode where Jake is an old man and has to kill himself to save his dad in the past (was that The Visitor that was mentioned a couple posts up?). The DS9 episode is one of the most touching hours of television that I have ever seen. I didn't think Twighlight lived up to it. But, there was Scott Bakula in his boxers. Yum.
One of the episodes either this week or last week (I'm thinking the one where the virus turned them into Chaka) Dr. Phlox mentioned the "imaging chamber." I hadn't heard him say that before. Total QL shout out there and I appreciated it.
I think T'Pol gets too many storylines. I'm also kind of annoyed that it seems like 2/3rds of the episodes have the theme Thank God There's a Vulcan On Board Who is Superior to Humans! The Vulcan zombie episode was a nice change from that.
Ironically, as I am writing this I just got a newsletter updating the status of the Quantum Leap 20 Year Anniversary convention in 2009. Does that make anyone else feel old?
lilarose6
Apr 19, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
Reason number 3 is he's cuter.
Trip always outshined Archer. Nothing against Bakula, who's a darling person, but he was woefully miscast. By the time season three came around, I could understand how men and women would want to follow Trip. Not so Archer.
frenchtoast
Apr 23, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Tonight is a string of my favorites from Season 3: Similitude (note to me: make sure to have some tissues handy), Connor Trinneer did such a great job with this episode. Carpenter Street, Daniels appearance is blessedly short and surprisingly helpful. North Star I love just for Malcolm's face at one point, and there is someone who is assier than Archer. Well, for a little while, and then Archer is an asshole. And Chosen Realm has one of the best lines that Archer ever gets to say. All in all, a good run of episodes tonight.
Peachy Keen
Apr 23, 2007 @ 10:40 am
"Go ahead. I'll wait." HEE!
Excellent line-up tonight! Wahoo! Must remember to pick up the good munchies on the way home. (As opposed to the boring munchies that I use to throw at the TV when the TV sucks.)
frenchtoast
Apr 23, 2007 @ 10:52 am
What's great about watching these episodes in long blocks like this is it doesn't seem to be taking forever to get to the end. Watching North Star when it first came out sort of irritated me because it seemed like a waste of time. But, watching in a block, it's a nice break, especially knowing what's coming up at the end where it's all rushed at you. I mean, North Star and Chosen Realm have little to do with the whole Xindi arc, and that originally bothered me when I saw them in first run because it seemed to derail the movement forward. Watching them now, it's a nice break from the Xindi arc, especially knowing that a lot of what was brought up in the beginning episodes is revisited later on.
Enjoy your snacks, Peachy. You're tempting me to "cheat" on my diet tonight and indulge in a Cadbury Creme (and Caramel) Egg tonight. Hmmmm.
Peachy Keen
Apr 23, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Actually, I think Extinction, North Star and Chosen Realm all have a common theme that plays well into the events of Season 3. In each story Archer is faced with the end of a civilization (more or less) and the consequences.
Extinction is the story about a people just trying to stay alive. They create a virus to save them, but outsiders try to wipe out the virus to save their own lives. In the end, the only trace of that once great Civilization is a canister in Archer's fridge.
North Star has aliens kidnapping people and enslaving them. The human rise up and overthrow the Skags, becoming in the end, just like them. Enslaving another race out of fear and a need for retribution.
And Chosen Realm has two factions fighting over dogma to the very last of them. Even as galactically stupid as Archer is, I can believe that standing on the decimated planet at the end gives Archer a moment to think "This could be Earth." If the Xindi Conflict continues with one side inflicting damage then the other inflicting more damage, Earth and the Xindi homeworld could become this wasteland.
I like to think that those eps are more than just throw away eps. I think they pave the way for Archer to have an actual epiphany that leads to him extending the hand of friendship to Degra. (Something more than just his failed plan and imminent demise in Azati Prime, that is.) To watch more than one group eradicated or defeated allows him time to digest the consequences of his actions. (And seriously, Archer needs lots of time to come to the most rudimentary of decisions. Idiot!)
frenchtoast
May 1, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
I've been thinking about your post, Peachy, and trying to verablize how Archer realizing that he can't just go it alone and take a position and never bend lays the foundation for forming the Federation, but I don't think Archer is that smart. I have to say, I completely agreed with the counterarguments he gave to Digimon, and I can see, from about Shipment on what you mean. But then I remember it's Archer. He's still an ass to the Vulcans in Season 4. It's like he just can't get over himself. He doesn't realize it's not all about him. But, the lesson and idea are there, and I think he gets it on a philosophical level. He just has a hard time living it.
Well, last night was Proving Ground, Stratagem, Harbinger, and Doctors Orders. I love Proving Ground, Shran is so awesome. And, Jeffrey Combs completely sold me on Shran being torn. His exhalation of annoyance at having to abandon the weapon is so great. I like the dynamic between Shran and Archer and how Shran really doesn't take any crap from Archer. Why they're building a prototype at the same time as the regular weapon doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I can swallow it.
I love Stratagem. I didn't know it was a ruse (the second one) until they showed the Red Giant. My jaw opened and I had a huge smile because that was awesome. And the whole crew sold it. It was so well thought out and I was so (as corny as it sounds) proud of them for figuring out different ways to get information out of Degra. Awesome, awesome.
I know it's dumb and contrived and the pissing contest between Hayes and Reed went on for too long, but I don't care. I like Harbinger. Intellectually, I know about the faults, but I don't care. I liked Malcolm and Hayes beating the crap out of each other. I liked Archer (apparently drunk) as the irritated parent threatening to turn the ship around. I liked Trip. Oh, and the alien. That was ok, but it was just there. I'm glad they didn't build up the suspense and mystery because I would have felt let down. As it was, minimizing it was more effective. I wish that Reed had been in a Tshirt and not a tank top, though.
And Doctors Orders. How cool is Phlox? How awesome is he? I love, love, love Phlox and he rocked that episode. I jumped at the shadow and totally felt for him as he began to slowly unravel. What a great showcase episode. And Jolene Blalock a Figment!T'Pol was so great. Her reactions when starting the warp engines were hilarious. Loved it.
Peachy Keen
May 1, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
I don't think Archer's 'epiphany' lasted longer than the end of Season Three. He's got sooo many things to think about; I'm sure his brain needed the room and did a huge airlock boot of everything awesome he learned in the Expanse. *eyeroll* But I think the scripts laid the foundation for his awareness of how making friends with the Xindi beats genocide. Even if Bakula couldn't pull it off.
Proving Ground: "The Andorian Mining Consortium runs from NO ONE!" Oh, Shran, how I love you! I think his scenes worked so well with Archer simply because Shran didn't accept Archer's crap as the cat's meow. I ADORED Talas too. I loved every bit of grief she gave my pretty boyfriend Reed. My only regret is that Archer takes the glory for asking his crew to watch the Andorians. I wish T'Pol had been the one to hand out that order against Archer's wishes; then he'd have to apologize to her later. In fact that's the way it happens in my head. Otherwise, Archer's demanding that everybody love his BFF Shran, and then he's all "And then I told them to watch you." Sure you did, Archer, you fame-whoring ass!
Strategem: I figured out the ploy early but was fooled by the ending the first time. I loved Hoshi's "The captain is drinking a lot, isn't he?" and wish they had given Archer a temporary drinking problem during his mission in the Expanse. Degra is always awesome!
Harbinger: LOVE! Totally irrational. Totally unreasonable. Don't care. LOVE! Especially Trip and Reed bonding over dinner. "That's the rumor." "Shut up!" Heh! And then my boyfriends Reed and Hayes go at it (not that way!) in the gym. le sigh!
Doctor's Orders: This episode had me completely fooled the first time I saw it. And Billingsley and Blalock totally sold it to me. It's one of those episodes I always go back and watch again. I love the camera trick in the engine room, looking down on the pair, making them look like small children staring at the big, scary machine. Roxann Dawson did an excellent job directing; much better than S1's The Andorian Incident.
joyceman
May 2, 2007 @ 8:36 am
Watched the first three from monday last night. You know, Shran has a good point. Why arent the Vulcans helping out. From what happens in Twilight it looks like they wont even shelter the human refugees or contribute a force to help defend Earth at the end. Pretty damn petty.
Harbinger had one of the greatest fight scenes on tv since the Cripple Fight Episode of South Park. Almost expected Reed to put on the glasses afterwards and see Archer was an alien. Just wish one of the two would have got in a ballshot.
frenchtoast
May 2, 2007 @ 9:36 am
Initially, the reason why the Vulcans weren't helping is because they didn't believe that a bigger weapon was being built. In the season finale of Season 2,
The Expanse, the Vulcans didn't feel there was enough evidence to support going into the Expanse, given that it was provided by Temporal Shower Guy. (And since the Vulcan Science Directorate has concluded that time travel is impossible, it's not a big surprise they would discount that evidence.) Considering they lost two ships already in that region of space, I can't say I entirely blame them. Once any information started to reach Earth (and most likely the Vulcans), it was probably too late for the Vulcans to get out there to actually lend any assistance. After all, there was no confirmation of the weapon until
Proving Ground. There were clues etc, but by
Proving Ground we actually get to see it.
Twilight lets us know as an audience that the stakes are very, very high, but that info never reached the Vulcans.
Why they don't help out in
Twilight, I really don't know. Though didn't some Vulcan ships provide an escort to one of the convoys and were destroyed? Also, there wasn't all that much left to help out. And I can see humans not exactly wanting to living on Vulcan if the offer were on the table.
Harbinger: LOVE! Totally irrational. Totally unreasonable. Don't care. LOVE!
Hee! It's like choosing between filet mignon and McDonald's fries (or whatever junk food vice is appropriate). I know filet mignon is ten times better, but I stil
love McDonald's fries. It satisifies the junk food fiend in me;
Harbinger satisifies the cheesy fan girl in me.
Doctors Orders fooled me the first time, too. I mean, I was just as surprised as Phlox when he saw T'Pol in her quarters. But watching it now, knowing that, it's just as good. To me, that makes it even awesomer, knowing the "twist" and still it's a great episode. Love it.
Peachy Keen
May 2, 2007 @ 11:25 am
Why they don't help out in Twilight, I really don't know.
The Xindi were wiping out all Human colonies. I doubt the humans would seek shelter/be allowed to seek shelter when they bring destruction to every world they land on. And as we'll see later (in S4), I think the Vulcans were dealing with their own internal issues and probably didn't have sufficient warships available. And the Vulcans did help out as much as they thought they could. There were a few Vulcan ships there, and Soval arrived to offer to take Archer to Vulcan if T'Pol came along. Vulcans, I guess, don't find generosity to be logical. Perhaps it's too effusive.
It didn't hit home to me until S4
Home that the Vulcans truly thought the entire Xindi conflict would begin and end with Earth.
Twilight assured us that the Xindi would reach out to all human colonies, but in the present time Vulcans thought the weapon was just the result of humans getting in over their heads in deep space exploration, which is something the Vulcans had been cautioning against since before the launch of the NX-01.
Just wish one of the two would have got in a ballshot.
NOOOOOO! Not my imaginary TV boyfriends!!! Heh.
joyceman
May 3, 2007 @ 8:36 am
Another thought on Harbinger. Major Hayes and Lieutenant Reed. Im not military, but wouldn't major translate to a lt. commander in naval rank? A naval lieutenant assuming a sr lt not a jg) would equate to a captain in ground forces. So doesn't Hayes outrank Reed? Maybe why Reed has such a bug up his ass?
txhorns79
May 3, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Why they don't help out in Twilight, I really don't know. Though didn't some Vulcan ships provide an escort to one of the convoys and were destroyed? Also, there wasn't all that much left to help out. And I can see humans not exactly wanting to living on Vulcan if the offer were on the table.
I thought also the Vulcans were afraid, at least in Twilight, that if the Vulcans offered too much direct assistance that they would also become a target of the Xindi weapon. Clearly that thing was powerful, and if it could wipe out Earth in minutes, I would think it would be pretty easy to destroy Vulcan as well. And while the Vulcans were more technologically advanced than Earth, they weren't advanced enough to destroy the weapon or overtake the Xindi without taking a huge risk.