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txhorns79

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:05 pm

When Mike arrives home, he finds Zach holding Susan hostage and has to find a way to rescue them both. Mike and Zach's connection to each other is realized. New Wisteria Lane neighbor Betty Applewhite, a concert pianist has a dark and spooky secret to hide and it is about to be revealed..

Bree identifies Rex's body at the morgue as he has officially died. Rex's mother, Phyllis (guest star Shirley Knight), comes in for his funeral -- and to drive Bree crazy. There is a funeral conducted later on. Meanwhile Lynette interviews for an account executive position at a top ad agency, now that Tom has agreed to stay home with the kids. Her boss, Nina (guest star Joely Fisher), is skeptical about hiring a mother of four, so Lynette makes a big effort to impress her.

Lastly, Gabrielle, feeling guilty about her unfaithfulness, dutifully begins visiting Carlos in jail. [/quote]

All this and Joely Fisher's cleavage.
Discuss.

lexualhealing

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:06 pm

Who in the hell is in Betty Applewhite's basement?

ewt

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:07 pm

That part freaked the shit out of me for some reason.

Eegah

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:07 pm

Bree's purse-lipped face next to the grinning family members was exqusite.

Damn, Lynette's at work and she's still only dealing with kid problems. For now I'll chalk it up as a way to easily transition to more kid-free storylines, but they'd better not keep this up.

dreamy

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:07 pm

Well, now we know why they (the Applewhites) moved in in the dead of night. (I'm assuming that's the 'dead' father in the basement.)

I enjoyed the show more than I thought I would. My expectation were pretty low by the end of the summer, so I was pleasantly surprised.

Best line of the night: “She’s family. That makes her our bitch.”

Yay, Lynette! (But it seemed to me that the boys weren’t the same three Ps from last season…is that true?)

Bree’s new hair took some getting used to. But Marcia Cross? Is still bringing her A game.

I just don’t care about the Carlos/Gabby storyline. And what WAS that thing on Edie’s head during the church services?

A World Of No

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:08 pm

Well, I was totally off base with the Appletokens' secret. I was seriously thinking incest, but this? *shudder*

Alfre? Ms. Woodard? Thank you so very much for not thinking that a popular TV soap would be beneath you. I'm grateful to you for giving me the shudders tonight.

raineyrain

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:08 pm

Loved the fact that Bree simply HAD to change the tie. Cracked me up.

eenie

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:08 pm

That part freaked the shit out of me for some reason. [/quote]

Me too. I had definite visions of Sloth in The Goonies...though I'm pretty sure that's not who's in her basement.

Bitter Sweet

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:08 pm

I'm interested in why the Applewhites have someone chained up in their basement. It was so creepy!!

Kris

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:09 pm

I think there's something seriously wrong with Bree. Anyone who is preoccupied with her dead husband's tie while he's lying in casket to the exclusion of everything else is truly disturbed.

I wonder what's going on with the Applewhites...who the heck is that in their basement? The husband/father?

I didn't find this episode as funny as others in Season 1. But I guess I'll give it some time...

Rowr17

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:09 pm

Is it wrong of me to love Bree for her behavior in the funeral planning scene? Because? Her telling off the minister and the mother in law was AWESOME!

Matthew (who is WAY hot, by the way) and his mom are creepy- but I like them so far.

oops, I think I blended together the part where they were talking about the hymn being the grandmother's favorite with the part where they were talking about the tray, my bad. Please ingore the previos grandmoterh reference.

lizatrix

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:10 pm

Oh, come ON! A relative chained in the basement? I think this show can do better.

I agree that Bree came off as seriously disturbed. I'm betting her little neuroses will develop into full-blown crazy by mid-season. I bet that'll be fun to watch, even if kind of depressing.

JyDanzig

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:10 pm

Overall, I quite liked that. My only real quibble is that I wanted a bit more sadness and a bit less comedy in reaction to Rex's death, particularly from the kids. I'm choosing to believe we'll get that in coming weeks.

And that end twist... dungeons! Freaky. I was skeptical about the new mystery, but I can't resist a dungeon.

Am I the only one who thought the corpse of Not!Zach was Ryan Carnes' character? I mean, I don't think it's actually supposed to be him, but there was a resemblance that really threw me when they first pulled back the sheet.

archer1267

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:10 pm

Oh man...I really hope this show doesn't go the way of Nip/Tuck (where the increasingly outrageous, why-push-the-envelope-when-you-can-torpedo-it plotlines just got way out of hand. Aside from that...if you were keeping a hostage in your basement, wouldn't you want to live out in the sticks? Why pick a suburban neighborhood where everyone knows your business? I don't get it.

dreamy

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:11 pm

Matthew's (who is WAY hot, by the way[/quote]. Oh, yeah.

rowr17, why grandmother? What did I miss that implies this?

msmplm

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:11 pm

I missed the first few minutes. What happened with Susan, Mike and Zach?

Rinaldo

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:12 pm

And yay! the Sondheim episode titles continue.

One of the things I do like about this series is that the "minority" characters get to be as screwed-up and devious as everyone else. So many series will create a Hispanic or black character and that let that be their whole characterization (partly, I imagine, for fear of being accused of creating a "negative image"), and then the characters get dropped after a couple of seasons for not being interesting enough (well, duh). I look forward to getting to know the new family better, and Alfre Woodard is always good company.

growsonwalls

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:12 pm

I thought Bree changing her husband's tie in the coffin was priceless. And I agreed with her -- I mean, the orange tie was fugly. Having recently been to a funeral myself I can weirdly sympathize with Bree's OCD ways about the tie. I mean, in many ways a funeral is a final send-off, and you want everything to be just perfect. I remembered my family arguing about my grandmother's "final" outfit too.

Niamite

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:13 pm

I think there's something seriously wrong with Bree. Anyone who is preoccupied with her dead husband's tie while he's lying in casket to the exclusion of everything else is truly disturbed.[/quote]

Really? I was wondering why everyone was so shocked. I've seen some pretty odd behavior at funerals, and never batted an eye. The woman just lost her husband; of course she's not going to be acting normal.

I felt like there where little spots in this episodes where you could see the writers thinking: "Okay, we need something shocking! Okay, we need a mystery! Okay, we need to tie into last season!" But overall, I enjoyed it. Everyone is as they should be.

hollyhox

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:13 pm

My god, was that boring! I can't believe I waited around all summer for this! That dragged, it plodded along, the cliffhanger with Mike and Susan and Zach and the gun was over so fast I nearly blinked and missed it. Step up your game, Marc Cherry, because that shit sucked.

KBear

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:13 pm

I was a little bored until the funeral, then Marcia Cross knocked it out of the park. Andrew seemed reasonable and mature, I'm sure that won't last for long. Glad Lynette's got a job outside of the home, I hope Gay Matt doesn't become as annoying as Lynette was last season. Susan actually thought of Julie when she decided not to move in with Mike. Color me surprised. The new family is creepy, I also wonder who they are holding down in the basement. I was hoping it would be Rex.

Kris

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:14 pm

Is it wrong of me to love Bree for her behavior in the funeral planning scene? Because? Her telling off the minister and the mother in law was AWESOME!
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I totally agree! I think that the reason why there is often strife between women and their mothers-in-law is because the MIL's do not know when to back off and not interfere in their son's relationships. You could tell that Rex's mother didn't particularly approve of Bree...but hey, he married her, he had kids with her and they were together (through thick and thin) for 18 years. So deal with it lady.

Even the fact that she went behind Bree's back and put the orange prep school tie on Rex's corpse showed that she didn't respect their marriage. I think it was utterly insane for Bree to fixate on that tie during her husband's funeral. But Rex's mom needed to be told off and I think she needs to be told off again.

Rowr17

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:14 pm

DinkyD21

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:15 pm

I think Bree was awesome. Classic coping mechanism. I expect nothing less from this woman.

Marcia Cross needs her Emmy like now.

Andrew was smirking during his father's funeral. Disturbing much? I know he's a freak of nature coming from a crazy home but damn. He's a psychopath.

I thought for a second that Betty's son wasn't really her son but her lover. Anyone else get that vibe? Guess not. Yeah me thinks the daddy is in the basement.

Gaby and Carlos were funny. I'm glad the Who's the Daddy storyline isn't going to be what I thought it was. Maybe it's too soon to tell.

Susan...kinda meh on that whole storyline. I don't care for Zach.

But isn't one of the underlying themes of the show that you don't really know about your neighbors, even though you think you do?[/quote]
Right on. This makes living smackdab in the middle of the suburbs the perfect place to hide.

sassygirl

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:16 pm

That was pretty damn boring.

It didn't pick up until the funeral scenes and the scenes with the new family; I definatelywant to know who they have in their basement.

I am so tired of the Gabby/Carlos/baby storyline. Give it up all ready.

ptfull

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:15 pm

Im thinking the person in the basement is the father or maybe a brother?

Why would you need a gun for an old woman, plus the hand looked mannish and the previews for next week show the "being" trying to escape. I luuuurve Bree, she always has to be in control. And Marcia always brings the A-game.

eenie

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:16 pm

I thought for a second that Betty's son wasn't really her son but her lover. Anyone else get that vibe? Guess not. Yeah me thinks the daddy is in the basement.[/quote]

I definitely got that vibe. When she hugged him from behind and caressed his chest....I've never seen a mother hug her grown son like that.

tv toast

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:17 pm

Already bored by Lynette's storyline. Of COURSE she would end up taking a kid to a job interview. There isn't anyone else that could watch the kid for a couple hours? Nobody in the neighborhood. Ugh.

second whoever said WTF did Edie have on her head at the funeral??

The interaction between Mrs. Applegate and her "son" in the living room before delivering dinner leads me to believe that the young man is not her son at all. Their little comments about what a good job she did raising him laden with subtext. And I must've missed the hint about the grandmother too.

Bree still rules. Susan still bugs me.

glad to be back!

Paradise

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:17 pm

Am I the only person who was totally disappointed by the season premier??????

I just thought it was horrible all the way around. I didn't even find it funny except for Bree switching Rex's tie at the end.

I knew that DH producers would never allow Susan and Mike to be together, but the way she acted about Zach was soooooo out of character.

Lynette story line will be good. I'm excited for that.

lizatrix

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:18 pm

I totally agree with everyone who got a creepy incest vibe from the new neighbors. She's controlling that kid SOMEHOW...

pizzaface78

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:18 pm

I too was impressed after coming in with low expectations. I really loved the intro with the woman who was routinely drunk in public, but does Edie really go to church? It seems like church would be too conservative (as Utah was, IIRC) for Edie.

It was also strange to me that when she went in to identify the dead teen as NotZach, Susan would cite Zach's having a gun in her face for six hours as her reason for being sure it isn't him. Wouldn't it have been more natural for her to say that she's sure that body isn't Zach because she's known him since his childhood? Susan's behavior during this episode seemed a little off to me.

tokengirl

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:20 pm

I soooo wanted Bree to take GayMatt's tie and beat her MIL with it. And THEN walk over and put it on Rex.

I also thought there was going to be an incest storyline... That hug that Mom Applewhite gave Son Applewhite creeped out my husband to the point where he couldnt't watch anymore.

Kris

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:20 pm

I remembered my family arguing about my grandmother's "final" outfit too. [/quote]

I've also seen and heard some crazy "goings-on" between families when it comes to funerals. And I guess it's not outside the realm of possibility for peole to argue about what the deceased's final outfit should be.

However for you to interrupt a funeral service, stroll up the aisle looking for a suitable tie, demand that someone GIVE you that tie, reposition the body in the coffin to take off the tie he's wearing to put on the tie you just attained is not rational or typical.

Lady M

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:20 pm

I definitely got that vibe. When she hugged him from behind and caressed his chest....I've never seen a mother hug her grown son like that.[/quote]

Yeah, her hands lingered way too long on his chest.

Stardancer2001

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:20 pm

I thought for a second that Betty's son wasn't really her son but her lover. Anyone else get that vibe? Guess not. Yeah me thinks the daddy is in the basement.[/quote]

Me, too! But I love the crazay, so I will keep watching.

Carlos, Gabby, and John can get off of my tv right now.

Bree Rawks!

Susan? It's incredibly funny that Bongo still can't stand her!

However for you to interrupt a funeral service, stroll up the aisle looking for a suitable tie, demand that someone GIVE you that tie, reposition the body in the coffin to take off the tie he's wearing to put on the tie you just attained is not rational or typical. [/quote]

Oh yes, it is quite rational for Bree. I have to admit that this service was really restrained compared to the funerals I've attended. I'm talking about widows showing up with their lovers, fistfights breaking out over the coffin, drunken relatives vomiting in the church aisles, etc......

Losky2

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:21 pm

Totally creeped out by the basement thing - I was almost sickened by that - I don't think it really has any place in a show like this... if it continues this direction I don't think I'll be watching.

Missed the laughter from the first season - hope they get the balance back soon. Too many forced, uncomfortable situations passing as humor.

Of the Van De Kamps I think Danielle had the only appropriate responses to the situation. Does anyone really think that Bree would be talking with the girls about Mary Alice A YEAR after her death when her husband has just been buried? Not!

Meh... we'll see where the George/Bree/Phyllis thing leads next week.

ptfull

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:21 pm

The whole Mike/Susan thing went WAY too fast. Oh you have a son he tried to shoot goodbye, WTF?
Lynette YAWN!
Gaby, kind of dragging but very crafty the way she doctored the results sheet.

rachna78

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:21 pm

It was better then I expected! I spent the summer depressed over the fact that Rex was dead but I am wondering now if it was a good thing. I think her funeral behavior was very Bree.

I wonder if that was really Steven Culp playing the "body"

Susan was the one annoying me tonight. She is just....idiotic and annoying and melodramatic. I loved Gaby and Lynette! I am excited again about this show. Less Mary Alice too, definatly a good thing.

AgentX

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:21 pm

The woman just lost her husband; of course she's not going to be acting normal. [/quote]
I thought that was Bree being normal, which didn't make me enjoy the scene all that much. I was expecting it way too early, I thought she would have had a tie somewhere on her just in case something like that happened.

On the whole I enjoyed the premiere, but unless they do something with Gabrielle I can see myself tuning out when she's on the screen, her story is already played out I find. How many times does this latest split make for Susan and Mike? They're together, they're aren't together, they're together....make up your damn minds. And was I the only one who thought Susan connected the dots too quickly? She was generally aloof last season and I just thought that scene didn't fit with her character.

DinkyD21

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:23 pm

I knew that DH producers would never allow Susan and Mike to be together, but the way she acted about Zach was soooooo out of character.[/quote]
I think this was typical dramatic Susan. Totally in character for her to freak out and make a dramatic decision without letting Mike get a word in. I was just shocked when she stated her reason for ending things was Julie. Growth perhaps? Or just a moment of weakness?

Totally creeped out by the basement thing - I was almost sickened by that - I don't think it really has any place in a show like this... if it continues this direction I don't think I'll be watching. [/quote]
As creepy as it indeed was, it all seems spot on for this show. This is the show that let a teenage boy fatally injure an elderly woman and allow his parents to cover up the hit-and-run even after her death. Not to mention the fact that they are all neighbors. That's one creepy block period.

Bookrat

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:23 pm

The episode hasn't aired here yet...another two hours, but did I lose the office pool? Did Bongo not get shot?

I thought she would have had a tie somewhere on her just in case something like that happened.[/quote]
What happened to the ties she had in the finale?

Schroeder

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:24 pm

Maybe she killer her son's real mother and is now his lover?

Or is that too much like last year?

eenie

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:25 pm

Totally creeped out by the basement thing - I was almost sickened by that - I don't think it really has any place in a show like this... if it continues this direction I don't think I'll be watching. [/quote]

This is a show in which a pharmacist switched a man's pills causing his eventual death, where a boy hit an elderly woman and drove off causing her to fall in a coma, where a woman killed another woman and then stuffed her body in a chest.... I'm not sure exactly how someone being chained in a basement is a step in a different direction for this show. Sure, it's twisted and dark, but it's not like we haven't already been shown many twisted and dark things.

I soooo wanted Bree to take GayMatt's tie and beat her MIL with it. And THEN walk over and put it on Rex.[/quote]

Ha! Me too. I like violent Bree.

Losky2

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:27 pm

Bongo is safe...

Rex's mom put his prep-school godawful orange tie on him before the funeral service after Bree had already said no... Bree, right as they were closing the casket, told them to stop, surveyed the congregation, went and demanded Tom's tie and put it on Rex...

BTW - it wasn't Steven Culp but an actor with a mask that Steven had modeled for earlier... accding. to a recent USA Today article.

ChocolateCherry

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:27 pm

I definitely got that vibe. When she hugged him from behind and caressed his chest....I've never seen a mother hug her grown son like that.

Yeah, her hands lingered way too long on his chest.[/quote][/quote]
My hands would linger too if I had a Matthew Applewhite.

Is it possible to do paternity tests in the womb during the first trimester? My knowledge of paternity tests is limited to Maury Povich so I thought I would ask.

Allemande

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:27 pm

Hey, first time poster on this thread.
I went into this episode tonight with absolutely no expectations, and for the most part, I was pleasantly surprised.
Susan still bugged majorly (no surprises there), but her decision to not move in with Mike because she didn't want Zach near Julie...surprisingly mature and unselfish of her.
I felt that the Rex stuff was done really poorly for the most part....too comedic, not serious enough. The only parts that made me slightly teary was when Bree came in at the funeral crying, and after she changed his tie and said to him "you look magnificent." Marcia Cross is amazing!
Ummmm....Gabby and Carlos...don't really care.
Alfre Woodard is quite cool, and word to those who think her son (Matthew?) is hot.
The preview for next week, showing the person trying to escape gave me the chills, as did the Applewhite's basement/dungeon thing. I'm betting it's the father down there, but I'm hoping that Marc Cherry actually has a GOOD storyline for them....but, after certain episodes last season, I won't be holding my breath.
eta: The way Lynette told Tom to give Bree his tie made me giggle for some reason

Bookrat

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:30 pm

Is Justin in this episode at all?

Daltrim

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:30 pm

I totally agree with everyone who got a creepy incest vibe from the new neighbors. She's controlling that kid SOMEHOW... [/quote]

(Sorry, I am only able to link to the page of my original post)
Betty = a Stephen Sondheim mother type character?

Foxy Sondheim was narcissistic, emotionally abusive, and a hypochondriac. After the departure of her husband, she became sexually predatory towards her son as a substitute for his absent father
Full article here

tv toast

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:31 pm

I soooo wanted Bree to take GayMatt's tie and beat her MIL with it. And THEN walk over and put it on Rex.[/quote] Me, too, ever so much. Something, anything like that. But she had admitted that their marriage wasn't the best, and the last ep of last season she was saying that the last 18 (however many) years had been a mistake. Then when she walked out of the church into the bright light, it made me think that ok, she's over it. She didn't attack the MIL because she realizes she's free and it wasn't worth the effort. Still would've liked to see her open a can of whoop-ass on the evil woman, though.

And, I live in the suburbs and don't know too many neighbors who have creepy basements like the Applewhites'. Most are nice, many are finished, and NONE have big heavy steel doors in parts of them...

Losky2

Sep 25, 2005 @ 9:31 pm

No Justin & no George... AND Jesse Metcalf has been relegated to "guest star" - taken out of the main credits... hmmm... no Paul either.

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