What kind of moron says "I can't work with women"? With Carolyn in the room! And she tried to back track but it's obvious she meant it.
The worst part is, I think the "all women hate me" bit was Melissa's trump card. (Erm. So to speak). I think she was purposely using it to try to defuse the criticism leveled at her by Kristi and her teammates, like "Don't listen to them, they're women." And the worst part is, I think she used it in front of Caroline not because Melissa fucked up by using the argument, but
because she thought Caroline was also hated by other women and would relate to her. Which, even if true, is the kind of unsavory assumption people never make about themselves, or acknowledge in public.
Man, did I hate Kristi, though. She was so smug, and so stupid (XXX? bitch crazy), and her face has this horrible dead-eyed half-formed look to it. I think she looked like the debbil.
I'm glad they fired Melissa. Because, by the end of the episode, I, like, wanted her dead. For all her stupid assumptions about Latinos, for one thing. ("I know my people! They will pay $1 for a chimichurri and not a cent more!"). For her blabbing to Caroline like a rat, for another. For her shrillness, obnoxiousness, and the fact that she is ugly inside.
My heart broke a little for Markus. He seems like the kind of guy who gets no respect at work, can't figure out why, and then goes home and kicks the dog every night.
Fastest way to get your ass handed to you on a stick? Say "Me and Mr. Trump are kindred spirits". [/quote]
Exactly. Not the least because it's "Mr. Trump and I."
I really, really like Chris. I hope they interview him over and over again. Because that Stuart Smalley thing? Had me rolling.
Catkin
Sep 23, 2005 @ 3:50 pm
I did like Kristi's move to bring Melissa to the boardroom. Clever.[/quote]
Just wondering - did anyone else think that maybe Trump would fire both of them? Kristi for the trash marketing and Melissa for, well, being Melissa?
Personally, I flashed on the other seven women in the suite waiting for someone to return from the boardroom, and waiting and waiting...
Now that would have been an amusing opener.
Gullofthewatch
Sep 23, 2005 @ 3:51 pm
Did anyone else here watch "My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss"?
The helicopter scene was SO stolen from that show. At least in spirit.
TraceyBee
Sep 23, 2005 @ 3:52 pm
And what about the excessive ass shots in the gym? [/quote]
Burnett and/or his minions have butt-shots on the brain this fall. There is a long, lingering butt-shot of one of the Survivor contestants during the credits this season. It's kind of squicky.
tiggeril
Sep 23, 2005 @ 3:59 pm
The worst part is, I think the "all women hate me" bit was Melissa's trump card. (Erm. So to speak). I think she was purposely using it to try to defuse the criticism leveled at her by Kristi and her teammates, like "Don't listen to them, they're women." And the worst part is, I think she used it in front of Caroline not because Melissa fucked up by using the argument, but because she thought Caroline was also hated by other women and would relate to her. Which, even if true, is the kind of unsavory assumption people never make about themselves, or acknowledge in public.
Man, did I hate Kristi, though. She was so smug, and so stupid (XXX? bitch crazy), and her face has this horrible dead-eyed half-formed look to it. I think she looked like the debbil.
I'm glad they fired Melissa. Because, by the end of the episode, I, like, wanted her dead. For all her stupid assumptions about Latinos, for one thing. ("I know my people! They will pay $1 for a chimichurri and not a cent more!"). For her blabbing to Caroline like a rat, for another. For her shrillness, obnoxiousness, and the fact that she is ugly inside. [/quote]
Caroline? :)
Did anyone else here watch "My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss"?
The helicopter scene was SO stolen from that show. At least in spirit.[/quote]
Kinda reminded me of the paintball scene. Heeheehee.
Wacoshade
Sep 23, 2005 @ 4:17 pm
I just read Bren's blog on the apprentice section of yahoo, and it is a crack up. Dude is brutal.
Tidbits:
"Markus go to the mirror and repeat after me. I'm good enough. I'm smart enough and gosh darn it, people like me."
Re Kristie in the final boardroom: "You didn't just get Melissa's goat. No, you butchered it and sold it for crack."
"Noodles is my moniker for George…shake his hand and you'll understand why."
Nutjob
Sep 23, 2005 @ 4:21 pm
Re Kristie in the final boardroom: "You didn't just get Melissa's goat. No, you butchered it and sold it for crack."[/quote]
BWAH! Must go read the. Whole. THING.
ETA more from Bren's blog...
Dearest Melissa, methinks that perhaps you should consider a career change. I know of a perfect job for you. You can use your smarts and those good looks of yours (I'm going on your word on this). This is a job that pays well--often in cash. The best part, you won't be working with women. In fact you'll be surrounded by men. Sound too good to be true? It's all that and so much more. Interested? I thought so. Talk to Alla. Maybe you could be her Apprentice.[/quote]
I probably shouldn't find that funny, but I so do.
Sallins
Sep 23, 2005 @ 4:22 pm
So far it seems like an intelligent group of Apprentices this year, it did not take long for Kristi and Melissa to get on my nerves. Kristi was annoying me during the commerical, and Melissa about 10 minuets into the task.
The helicopter thing was fun, I was just wondering how in the world the women could not get to the chopper with the golf carts, the carts must have been really far away if they couldn't beat the men who were running.
Kristi's ad was horrible, she's lucky that she didn't get fired and that it was only an 11 dollar loss.
vitaminc
Sep 23, 2005 @ 4:38 pm
So, is the walk of shame to the taxi now actually the walk of shame, not pretaped anymore? Didn't Melissa have on the same clothes?
netful
Sep 23, 2005 @ 4:47 pm
You weren't selling to Latinos, you were selling to people who belonged to gyms, who happened to be Latino.[/quote]
Excellent point,
whycantispeak, just excellent.
Certain things are best left out of a job interview[/quote]
He wasn't being open about his sexuality for the interview IIRC. He just wanted everyone to know so that he could dispel all the is he/isn't he chatter that inevitably happens.
...but instead of being an embrassment to black women, you are an embrassment to Hispanic women.[/quote]
How about just being an embarassment - period.
Melissa has got to be kicking herself black and blue about the way she came off to the viewing audience.[/quote]
Nah. She'll just be like everybody else on every other reality show and blame it on the editing.
nenyadr
Sep 23, 2005 @ 5:32 pm
Yeah, it irked me that Trumpy/MB aired the helicopter for Randal bit. Of course, he was very nice to Heidi too in re: her mom's cancer and all that aired. Feh. [/quote]
This actually didn't bother me, because I think it is a lose-lose situation (if they didn't show it, we might be saying how cold-hearted Trump is). Even if it was for just for show on Trump's part, it probably still meant a lot to Randal, who now might be able to get some closure on a difficult time. As long as the party who needs it is getting the benefit, I'm fine with them showing it.
Wallyhorse
Sep 23, 2005 @ 5:43 pm
RDJisAOK wrote:
So I have a question for anyone who cares to venture a guess. Why is the Apprentice down in ratings? I really don't get it, because even though I agree that none of the seasons have been as fantastic as 1, I've still tuned in EVERY WEEK. And I know there are others like me. So, what's the deal? After the first year did people just not want to go back? And why? [/quote]
My reply to this is in the Ratings and Scheduling Thread.Edited to correct something on the page.
Dang Surly
Sep 23, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
Except you probably shouldn't hang up on him, either. I'm still chuckling over that[/quote]
Yeah, my favorite line of the whole ep was when Markus hung up the phone and then said to himself, "I feel good about that." Heh. Dear snarky editors: I love you!
[/quote]
Did he hang up on Trump? I didn't get that impression. Trump was sending a this conversation is over vibe by saying "You don't have to explain it now, I'll talk to you tomorrow" then something I didn't quite catch but sounded like "Goodbye"
That's when Marcus said "goodbye" and hung up, feeling good about the conversation, not realizing that Trump was laughing at him "can you believe this guy" finger point, not because he hung up on him.
I did have a laugh at that one woman equating CEO's with scum and villany (or WTTE). She added she also dealt with Presidents before, but that's what I got from her speech.
blocked writer
Sep 23, 2005 @ 7:03 pm
Seriously though, they must bring some of these people in for comic relief/cannon fodder. There isn't a professional women I know who'd spout the nonsense she was spouting. 'I can't work with women'. Oh, you can't get along with 50% of the population off the bat? And you admit it? To another women? Who gets to vote on whether you stay? Please. [/quote]
nubbs, I just can't get over Melissa's behavior. For that matter, Markus was also awful to watch, although it seemd that he couldn't help his embarrassing meltdown.
But when Trump brags about picking the contestants, I have to wonder what really happened at the auditions. Either Trump deliberately picked them, knowing that they'd disgrace themselves in a monumental fashion, or they somehow managed to be impressive in the interviews. But I have a hard time buying the second option.
Maybe they both went insane when the cameras started rolling. Randal looked like he was suffering from the biggest case of flop sweat ever, without the actual sweating. And Melissa? I still can't fully wrap my brain around how she acted. It was almost like she was giving a lesson on "What Not To Do." She is an anti-role model for women (or anyone) in business. I'd almost suspect that TPTB paid her to act that way for drama, but I don't think they'd take the risk of something like that being revealed to the public.
My husband was out while the show was on last night, and I told him he had to watch the rerun tonight on CNBC. Because it really has to be seen to be believed.
I finally figured out why the helicopter run bothered me so much. While I admit it was kind of funny to watch, deep down, I had the feeling it was just a nasty little power play by Trump. It's almost like he was saying, "I can make you peons do anything." I wouldn't be surprised if he had said, "Drop and give me 50!" Or if he had told them to jump in a pool fully dressed.
Plus, although this show hasn't always been a bastion of professionalism, what the hell does running have to do with being a good businessperson? I'd like to have seen Trump get out there and haul his doughy ass around the golf course.
peterredtail
Sep 23, 2005 @ 7:41 pm
Wasn't that Apprentice Kelly taking the luggage at the golf club at the start of the show? :)[/quote]
No he was sent to New Orleans to handout Trump Ice;-)
[ETA: Just a tag fix, no problem.]
AlmondEyes
Sep 23, 2005 @ 9:44 pm
Melissa's suicidal implosion was so incredibly schadenfreudelicious, I will be tuning into tonite's CNBC repeat at 11 pm to see it again. Damn, I need to get DVR. That's one of those moments you want to have on a continuous loop. And when I'm feeling sorry for myself for whatever reason, I can tune in and watch Melissa shoot off her mouth. I'm sure I'd feel tons better.
I kind of thought the footrace to the helicopter was pretty funny, notwithstanding how ridiculous it was. EW.com had a hilarious article saying that maybe that's just the kind of thing rich folk have their minions do. Maybe next week, we'll watch the Apprenti race to the Maybach, or something! We can only hope. Snerk.
eta: Hasn't Kristi watched Apprentice before? Why didn't she know that marketing by handing out flyers on the street is just another way of telling total strangers "here, you throw this away?"
That these idiots clearly haven't learned anything from the mistakes of Apprenti of yore? Is a fact that I find absolutely baffling.
nutburger
Sep 23, 2005 @ 9:50 pm
Couple of things. . .
Trump showed empathy to Heidi when her mom's cancer came back, so while I think ratings were a consideration it's not the first time he has showed such concern for contestants.
Re Kristi - yeah, the marketing sucked. I didn't think porn when I saw the flyers - I just thought they were unattractive and poorly designed. But the women obviously had almost twice the clients given the pricing differentials (am I wrong about that?)
I thought she handled Melissa well, not getting angry just saying something along the lines of "this is stopping now," and sending her downstairs to work on finances. Other PM's have not gotten the troublemakers out of the way so gracefully.
I also thought her move to only bring Melissa to the boardroom was a good play. Didn't alienate anyone else and therefore showed some class and backbone. Didn't seem cocky to me, I saw it was a leadership move for the rest of her team.
Rosebud1970
Sep 24, 2005 @ 12:13 am
Gaahh!! I was so looking forward to watching this ep, but the Tivaux goofed up and didn't record it. Rushed over to CNBC tonight, but not in enough time, so only caught the last half-hour.
Dayyum! That was satisfying, though. As soon as I saw Melissa facing off with Kristi at the task and Kristi moving her off the floor where she couldn't do any more damage, I was hoping there'd be a face-off between the two of them in the boardroom.
Melissa, honey? Here's a quarter. Please buy a clue. You're not that good-looking, you're not that smart and we're not intimidated by your outspokenness. Laughing uproariously on the inside, maybe. But not intimidated.
Buh-bye!
intrepide
Sep 24, 2005 @ 12:31 am
Though "Run for the Trumpicopter" was out of place in a competition of business skills, I did like it and even got caught up in the "who's going to win" suspense.
Edge and Excel made me think of shaving gel vs. chewing gum. Probably more banal than what they had in mind. My thought on the men/women divide? Team Hole vs. Team Pole.
Thanks for mentioning Bren's blog on yahoo. He's a great choice for that gig!
jjj
Sep 24, 2005 @ 12:56 am
Markus really reminds me of Beau Bridges (in looks).
I used to go between Philadelphia and NYC a lot -- it seems a long way to take a helicopter, so I wondered if he meant he was providing a ride in the helicopter to the airport? It's about 90 miles, and the train ride can be less than two hours. Of course, the Trump 'copter probably has powers beyond my ken.
Kristi took a big risk that could well have been a "trumped-up" reason to fire her if Melissa had not imploded in such a spectacular fashion. If Kristi had gone out, I still would have applauded the audacity of her decision. It really put her conviction about the worst team member on the line. Not a fan of hers, but she was gutsy.
What the heck does it mean that he separated the men and the women "because I can't tell you apart" ?? All that means is that he can't tell the men from the women. ???
legaleagle44
Sep 24, 2005 @ 1:34 am
This was from a few pages back, but it made me think of something:
And I'm so so glad about the change in the exemption rule. Maybe every team will vote against an exemption for the project manager, and they'll do away with it altogether next season.[/quote]
Did anyone who watched Martha's show notice that she's not giving her PMs exemptions? I have a feeling that Donald is going to want to watch her show and take notes for TA5; Martha appears to have taken the show back to its original concepts (except that her teams are co-ed from the get-go.)
More on-topic: Loved the smackdown that Melissa got from Carolyn. I can't wait to see Carolyn sitting in Donald's chair in a few weeks--she just may give Martha and Donald both a run for their money when it comes to running the Boardroom (and oh, how I can't wait to hear the way she says, "You're fired!)
By the way, Markus? Shut it--one Craig was enough last season; you don't want to be seen as his Caucasian counterpart. And, Clay? As a fellow openly gay man, I love that you're open and honest about yourself, but remember that there is a difference between being open and honest about your sexual orientation (not "sexual preference," please--Clay no more "prefers" to be attracted to men than Randal "prefers" to be black!) and being obnoxious and in-your-face about it. Keep that strictly on a need-to-know basis, especially on a team full of men who might feel just a tad uncomfortable if you get too casual about what most of them would really consider TMI in any setting, let alone a business one.
KerleyQ
Sep 24, 2005 @ 4:25 am
Loved the show. I thought this was far better than the last few seasons' openers.
I'm still trying to figure out the logic to dividing the group along gender lines to make it easier to tell them apart. Was he having a hard time telling who was male and who was female before he divvied them up? I didn't get that at all.
Melissa? Wow. Can I now speak for all Caucasians since I am one? How the hell stupid is this girl? And I would have paid good money to see Carolyn say to her in the boardroom "I'm a woman--do you think I've even spent a half of second even thinking about considering your ass intimidating?" Honestly, what the hell was she thinking? Then she backtracks on the "can't work with women" thing, then she goes right back to it. Girl gave me whiplash. Just an unbelievably self-destruction she executed there. She started with bitching to Carolyn in the middle of the fucking Bally's about their project manager, and she ended by saying, in front of Carolyn, that she can't work with women because they are all intimidated by her and her beauty. She's kidding, right? She has t be.
I thought it was a brilliang and ballsy move to bring only Melissa in. It was clear she (and the rest of the team) thought Maria was the problem with the team, and that her insistence on deciding early in the task that she was going to get her bitch on with the project manager cost them the task.
I think the women missed the bus on promotions. Go with the current members. Offer them an incentive discount to bring in a friend. I'm sure a lot of the regular members would know a friend or co-worker who was thinking of trying out the gym that they could bring along. Offer them a discount of a few bucks or a 2 for $30 offer. Whatever it takes. I'm constantly amazed that every season, there is at least one task where a team decides to rely almost exclusively on passing out fliers on the street for their marketing. Just inexcusable at this point in the series.
Can't wait to see Carolyn take over. She is, in my opinion, better than Trump at picking up on who's good and who's faking it. It should be interesting to see her running the show. (Hell, if she's as good as I'm guessing she is going to be--give her the reigns on the next TA. I don't see her falling into the same traps Trump falls into when he makes his decisions. She definitely seems like someone who can smell bullshit a mile away and won't even think about falling for it.
Markus--you and Trump are exactly alike? Two peas in a pod? Will you be inviting him to come visit your fucking parking garage next time he's in town?
blocked writer
Sep 24, 2005 @ 6:45 am
And I'm so so glad about the change in the exemption rule. Maybe every team will vote against an exemption for the project manager, and they'll do away with it altogether next season.[/quote]
Did anyone who watched Martha's show notice that she's not giving her PMs exemptions? [/quote]
I hate the exemption rule, always have. The only value it has is to show who will slack off when they are exempt. But that in itself doesn't make it worth the trouble it causes. I think there have been occasions where people might have done less than their best in order to sabotage the PM; in hopes that they could either get the PM fired that week, or at least keep them from being exempt the next week.
The PM is already exempt for that week like everyone else on the team, just by virtue of winning. I don't think it is reasonable to expect anyone to willingly give an advantage to a competitor.
I'd rather see the exemption rule abolished. But if they are going to keep it, they need to give it to every PM. Most people aren't going to vote for it anyway, especially considering that if they do, they might not get the exemption themselves when they become PM. Or what if the exempt person is the main cause for the failure the next week and they can't take him or her into the boardroom?
As the teams get smaller, it will be more obvious who votes for exemption, and who doesn't. I wouldn't put it past Trump to start keeping track of anyone who votes for exemption, and hold it against them. Didn't he once say in one of his "business lessons" never to give up an advantage?
That's why he got so angry at Bradford; he felt that Bradford had willingly thrown away a great advantage in the game. Why would he ask (or expect) anyone to essentially do the same as Bradford, in reverse, and assure that a competitor will last a week longer than he or she is guaranteed to last?
Speaking of business lessons, I see Trump is still broadcasting the winners in advance. Wasn't this week's lesson about the importance of getting along with business associates? Melissa couldn't get along with anyone on her team, so she had to go.
Ah, stupid Melissa. Short of saying, "Yes, you should fire me, Mr. Trump" like last year's Brian, Melissa couldn't have done more to scuttle her own chances if she tried. After she said she couldn't work with women, she should have just shown herself to the door. Imbecile.
The Palace Worm
Sep 24, 2005 @ 8:36 am
I'd rather see the exemption rule abolished. But if they are going to keep it, they need to give it to every PM.[/quote]
ITA with you
blocked writer-except when I don't! :)
The exemption is there, in my opinion, to remind us that the person in charge is often held to a different standard, and rules don't always apply to that person. How many of us would kill for the chance to fire the boss we have right now? But we can't, because that isn't allowed in our decision making process. I actually like the exemptions because it CAN be used to give each potential contestant something to shoot for. The only change I'd like to see is, the PM should be able to also provide an exemption to the person (if there IS one) who helped him/her the most during this task. That person could not be PM next time, but I often wonder, wouldn't that make it more fair? Doesn't your boss go out of his way to take care of the person that takes care of him? He should.
I hate the exemption rule, always have. The only value it has is to show who will slack off when they are exempt. But that in itself doesn't make it worth the trouble it causes. I think there have been occasions where people might have done less than their best in order to sabotage the PM; in hopes that they could either get the PM fired that week, or at least keep them from being exempt the next week.[/quote]
Sad, but true. My exemption idea? I have often wondered if Kelly, being the pathetic ass that he was, would have offered one to Sandy, for literally carrying him through the Wedding Shop task. Kelly made it very clear on numerous occasions that he only wanted to lead, not for the sake of the task, and certainly not for anyone on the team, but for the exemption. And he ended up looking tame compared to last seasons Michael. Or John for that matter, who had one exemption, and seemed to think it would last forever. That's what I like about the exepmtions-it can be a very good test of one's personality when the rules don't apply to them. And hopefully, everyone will remember that as the season goes on.
But I don't like this new voting thing because it's too damn Junior High for me. You just met Markus five minutes ago, are you really that interested in giving him a pass for next time? Besides, I really can't tell if Markus actually wanted the PM job, or if they just forced him into it. Is that a fair test? And what if Capital Edge had won? Would Kristi have received an exemption? Why? Because, "Girls stick together?" If someone votes for your exemption, do you still get to take them into the final Boardroom next time? Too much potential for unnecessary drama for me.
Well, maybe not.....
Masem
Sep 24, 2005 @ 9:03 am
I don't think the exception rule is bad, because it should reward a strong PM that wins for his/her team. However, the voting part is completely in the wrong place because now the exemption depends on how it works out.
It would have been much better that if near the end of each task before the BR, George and Carolyn would go to all non-PM members of both teams (without knowing who wins) and ask if their PM deserved the exemption. If done right after the complete execution of the task, and outside of collaboration with the rest of the team, it will be much more reasonable and would be a better appreciation of the team.
bsk117
Sep 24, 2005 @ 10:03 am
The helicopter thing was fun, I was just wondering how in the world the women could not get to the chopper with the golf carts, the carts must have been really far away if they couldn't beat the men who were running. [/quote]
I think there were two problems:
1) The women driving the carts didn't realize as quickly as that one guy that the helicopter would be on the highest point, and thus had to turn to follow the crowd.
2) The dumbasses had people jump off and run as opposed to driving the cart as close as they could get. Because really, the moment when you're just about to cut off the other team in your motorized vehicle is clearly the best time to kill the engine.
What the heck does it mean that he separated the men and the women "because I can't tell you apart" ?? All that means is that he can't tell the men from the women. ???[/quote]
I had to ask Mr. BSK117 to explain this to me, too, and he said it meant that when the teams were mixed gender, it was too hard for Trump's little brain to remember who was on what team. I still think it's funnier to believe that Trump can't tell men from the women unless they're clearly split.
And now that I've established my low IQ, someone help me with my figuring of this:
How did they charge $20.00 per class and end up with 527 and 516 dollars?[/quote]
I suck at math, but as best I can figure, if that cost was the total per person and they were comped for flyers, etc, then the men had a total of about 26 participants in their classes and the women had a total of 25, and Kristi was right that they were only one sale off.
This raises one key point for me, which I think is still valid even if my figuring is off:
Doesn't this mean that the men's advertising campaign sucked too? They banked entirely on their rich clients taking classes, and put little effort into recruiting, and still only got one more person.
I'm with everyone who thinks that Kristi's XXX campaign was triple-stupid, but I think we've got to give credit to stupidity where credit's due: planning on basically comfortably coasting on the coattails (or yoga pants) of the wealthy to victory doesn't seem too smart either.
(And why, exactly, am I actively looking for "smart" on this show? When The Apprentice is on TV, I'm more likely to find "smart" cowering under my couch cushions with some spare change and dog hair).
lightofthemoon
Sep 24, 2005 @ 10:31 am
As far as the fliers, were they told that they weren't allowed to use the Bally's logo on their advertising? Because it seems to me that the best thing would have been to make the Bally's logo the most visible part of it. That way even if they left the stupid "XXX" on there, it would be far less likely to be misinterpreted.
If classes to Bally's members are usually free, then I could see why banking on current members wouldn't be all that effective. "Why take this class and pay for it when I can wait until tomorrow to do step aerobics for free," or whatever. Both teams were lacking some sort of gimmick that would get people interested. The "bring a friend" someone else mentioned was good. The marketing to non-members may have even been more effective if they had been raffling away a free one-year membership to Bally's or something like that.
PinkyTuscadero
Sep 24, 2005 @ 10:37 am
I don't think the exception rule is bad, because it should reward a strong PM that wins for his/her team. However, the voting part is completely in the wrong place because now the exemption depends on how it works out.[/quote]
The thing I don't like about this rule is that, even if the PM does an exceptional job, he/she could still fall victim to the Survivor-esque players who don't want to give them exemption so they can have a better chance to get rid of them next task. I think Carolyn and George should have the final say on whether a PM gets exepmtion.
Libby5645
Sep 24, 2005 @ 11:52 am
Why has Randall got 5 academic degrees? Five? Who needs FIVE? That's overkill (although impressive). Glad he gets to go to his Grandma's funeral (although IMO it really shouldn't even be debatable), and it was a nice touch for Trump to lend him his helicopter. That should make the wake fun. ('OK, who needs cheering up? Let's go flying! Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!')
I'm glad the women don't (so far) seem to be as bad as in previous seasons. At least most of them seem to be decently dressed.
Why on earth would a gym in Spanish Harlem be a worse gym than the other one? Richer people don't splash their money around much either, and you're not selling BMWs, you're selling
one gym class. As soon as the guys turned up their noses at the Harlem gym I was rooting for them to get their comeuppance. Bally (sp?) must think it's an OK place to have a gym or they wouldn't be there. Discounting huge swathes of customers because they aren't rich (or even worse 'cos they aren't white and business types) is dumb business practice.
scroungeThese people are dancing monkeys brought here for my entertainment. I say make them dance![/quote]
I so agree. I feel bad about watching them and laughing so hard, and then I remind myself that they fought to get on TV.
legaleseany customer within earshot of Melissa certainly would have thought twice about forking over money to participate[/quote]
Yep, I'd back away as fast as possible to avoid being dragged into her little storm. Not only did she put off potential customers, but she shot herself in the foot with her comment to Carolyn of 'I'm doing everything'. I didn't think she could do anyhing worse than that, but God bless her, she did.
happycamperI found Clay's logic on his "advantage" baffling. He'll win because men won't mind but the women will love him?[/quote]
Agreed. Does he really think all the men on the show will be evolved enough to not want to beat the gay guy, or try and marginalise or just generally mistreat him?
Lola"And Trump's little heart grew three sizes that day"[/quote]
LMAO. Awww, how cute. I didn't know Tubey was breeding now ;)
KerleyQ
She is, in my opinion, better than Trump at picking up on who's good and who's faking it.[/quote]
Agreed, although it must help that she actually sees them at work, unlike Trump.
adso
Sep 24, 2005 @ 11:56 am
Capital Edge is such an incredibly dumb name, unless you are a Washington D.C. hockey team. Actually that would be dumb as well. Team Spreadsheet is not much better.
Glad Melissa got the boot, I thought that I had been whisked back to Summer and was watching Ivette from BB6 again.
If nothing else, the Donald has saved us all from having to turn the caps lock on when we quoted her.
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