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Shiver
It's coming in 2 weeks, October 1st at 11pm with a replay Mondays at 12PM. Jarrett has won the title from Raven in Canada with the help from AMW so that's a little dissapointing but still, TNA is gonna give us one hell of a show!

More on TNA: www.tnawrestling.com
MattIowa1
Yeah, I hope this doesn't dissapoint. I guess TNA is doing retrospectives leading up to the first Impact show, which you can see on their website.

As long as they feel like they don't have to educate all over again, I will be happy. Looking forward to seeing how they handle this next step in their existance.
Shiver
Roderick Strong (ROH) and The Dudley Boyz have just been signed!
Shiver
AJ Styles vs Roderick Strong will be the first match! At Bound For Glory, the next PPV, 3 matches are announced right now.

AJ Styles vs Christopher Daniels 30 min iron man match
Samoa Joe vs Jushin Lyger
Chris Sabin vs Matt Bentley vs Petey Williams in a Ultimate X

FREAKING AWESOME!
Shiver
Abyss vs. Sabu vs. Rhino vs. Jeff Hardy in a No DQ Anything Goes Monster's Ball 2 match has just been added to the Bound for Glory Card

Jeff Hardy vs Rhino will be the main-event for the first Impact on TNA!
bigbadvoodoolou
I commented on the WWE thread (in the Soap Operas forum) how excited I am about the TNA premiere on Spike. I haven't seen any of their previous stuff, but I'm very excited about seeing some good wrestling matches on TV again. I hope they do well for themselves, and maybe even give WWE a shot in the arm to make them suck less than they have for the last several years. I live near Orlando, so I plan to make it to one of the free live TNA tapings at Universal Studios one of these weeks.
Shiver
It's tonight people!
Shiver


Check this out people, that's the ending of Impact that Spike didn't air!
Perfect Xero
I thought the Styles-Strong match was far too short, otherwise it was a solid show. The videos telling us who all the wrestlers are is going to get old fast though.

Nash-Jarrett to headline Bound for Glory? Eh? It's worth getting the show for Liger-Joe and the Iron Man match. I guess this is their shot at throwing out the 'big name' to get viewers.
Shiver
The Ultimate X will be something special too and the Monster's Ball, excluding Hardy should be good.
Oldtimer
FWIW, the following is a copy of the review I posted on another board:

Looks like most everyone here is giving a thumbs up to one degree or another. I gotta say ... since I just finished viewing the tape, I'm disappointed.

I should explain that my knowledge of TNA is based on the Wednesday night PPVs that are being aired weekly on ESPN Classics Canada. I'll catch it maybe twice a month. Right now, I think they're at the end of 2003 or early 2004. That is as far as my TNA education goes.

Lord knows, I'd love for someone to come along and cause Vince some sleepless nights; and TNA may yet prove to be the answer. They certainly have a fair amount of talent and athletes that can work. The fans were bouncing off the walls much of the time. There were some nice, creative moments and for a first show, it could have been a lot worse.

But I have to tell you, in watching "Impact" tonight I found myself getting increasingly annoyed. First and foremost was the pace of the show. It started out at a fever pitch and continued trying to kick it into a higher gear with each match. I would have liked it so much more if TNA had taken a break every once in awhile and given us some background details without a lot of screaming. Toning it down in the right spots is not a bad thing; it makes the genuinely exciting moments scream-worthy. I firmly believe that to truly be effective, especially with a new audience watching, you have to give the people time to occasionally catch their breath, reflect on what they're seeing and make sense of it.

Instead, most everything came across (to me) as a rush job, orchestrated by someone with an advanced case of Attention Deficit Disorder. Every five minutes or so, a different wrestler would appear to quickly display his best moves. Before we could get involved in any way and perhaps learn a little something about him, we were breathlessly whisked off to the next act.

It certainly didn't help that the audio wasn't balanced very well; all the way through, the crowd was as loud or louder than Mike Tenay and Don West. It took a real effort to make out what they were saying, which means that a lot of relevant information wasn't getting through to the viewers. I eventually gave up trying to follow the impossible-to-decipher storylines. Again, nice demonstrations of acrobatics and some very hard bumps, but it all came off without much of a point behind any of it, so far as I could tell.

Again, I'd like to see TNA succeed, but I don't think it will happen if they're going to continue like this. In one big regard, they reminded me of WWE: there was little or no buildup.

The show is well-named. It offered impact all right, but it was done without purpose or meaning. Wrestlers seemed to show up right on cue in order to demonstrate a few hot maneuvers and then go away. As a semi-new viewer, I gave up trying to make an emotional investment because there was no perceptible reason, visually or aurally, why I should. I admired some of what the boys were doing, but it never made me care about them in the least. Which is also one of WWE's main failings.

Run-ins and screwjobs (I counted two) are again reminiscent of "that other group." Because so little of what was taking place mattered (to me), I give them a D in getting their storylines across. Angles seemed to be tossed at us left and right without explanation. Before it was over, the show began to feel like a video game on maximum overload.

This is not intended to rain on anybody's parade. There were enough hints of what may come that suggests there's a future here. But ultimately, this first episode struck me as a lot of sped-up snippets that didn't add up to very much. Hopefully next week, TNA will be a little more organized in its overall presentation.
Lack
I hadn't seen much TNA before; I think I caught their old show on Fox Sports Net once and that was it, but I saw this and thought it was OK.

I thought AJ Styles was pretty impressive with his athletic moves. I'm still not sure what the "X Division" is though. Can anyone wrestle in it? Do the X Division matches have different rules? Mike Tenay talked about how in the 90s the cruiserweight division was the place to be for high-flying moves (referring, I suppose, to WCW's old cruiserweight division), but now it's the X Division blah blah blah. At least the cruiserweights had an easy to understand criteria for participation, but the constant mentions of the X Division without an explation of what it was (or if there was one, then I missed it) was just kinda annoying. And didn't the WWE have an "extreme division" with its own belt at one point? I seem to remember Crash Holly being the champion of it, but perhaps I'm delusional.

Oh, so I hadn't seen Raven since his WCW days. He looks a bit worse for wear. Double that for Sabu (but I saw him on the ECW PPV this summer, so it's not quite as noticable). Kevin Nash is looking older as well, but not that bad. It was cool to see the Dudley Boyz, though a bit weird to see them in different outfits and with different music. Does WWE have the rights to their old stuff?

Anyways, it was an interesting mix of people I was familar with and people I wasn't. I'll watch it again.
Perfect Xero
Oldtimer, you've got some good points. It really did feel like they were trying to work too much into the show.


I thought AJ Styles was pretty impressive with his athletic moves. I'm still not sure what the "X Division" is though. Can anyone wrestle in it? Do the X Division matches have different rules? Mike Tenay talked about how in the 90s the cruiserweight division was the place to be for high-flying moves (referring, I suppose, to WCW's old cruiserweight division), but now it's the X Division blah blah blah. At least the cruiserweights had an easy to understand criteria for participation, but the constant mentions of the X Division without an explation of what it was (or if there was one, then I missed it) was just kinda annoying.[/quote]
Essentially the X Division is for anyone who wants to Wrestler the innovative/fast/high flying/high impact style. The Heavyweight title is for people who want to work a more "traditional" style match. (Jarrett, Raven, Brown, et cetera ...)

And didn't the WWE have an "extreme division" with its own belt at one point? I seem to remember Crash Holly being the champion of it, but perhaps I'm delusional.

You seem to be thinking of the WWF's Hardcore title, which was essentially the no-DQ/pinfalls count anywhere/garbage wrestling division. Which is really a different thing all together.
Oldtimer
Essentially the X Division is for anyone who wants to Wrestler the innovative/fast/high flying/high impact style. The Heavyweight title is for people who want to work a more "traditional" style match. (Jarrett, Raven, Brown, et cetera ...)


Right on the mark, Perfect Xero. If Mike Tenay had uttered those two sentences, it would have avoided confusion and set a lot of people straight right from the git-go. That is, if they could have heard him over the din (I'm suspicious that much of the crowd excitement was, in fact, piped in. Certainly wouldn't be the first time that's been done).

Again, FWIW, here's a follow-up to my previous post on the other board:

I believe genuine wrestling fans will tune in next week and beyond. Earlier, I enumerated the problems I had with several aspects of the Impact presentation. Upon review, there's nothing on the list that the management couldn't modify or adjust.

I understand the enmity a lot of people experience when watching Jeff Jarrett. Personally, he doesn't bug me all that much, although I wouldn't miss him if he departed. Frankly, his placement on the card shouldn't matter. He's going to be the same performer, good or bad, whether he opens the show or closes it.

Based on the talent displayed, there's a realistic chance for a solid weekly offering. But something TNA has to learn is that when everything is presented in a rushed, overloud sledgehammer manner, it becomes a painful experience to many viewers. Instead of a constant din of noise that doesn't vary in pitch or tone, they need to talk to us once in a while. Using dynamics will make the whole thing far more effective.

It's too late to go back and tone down the debut episode, but the second one can certainly be improved. Unfortunately, they can only make one first impression. I suspect some potential (i.e. new and/or casual) fans were turned off by Saturday's show. Less is more.
Lack
OK, thanks for the answers. And you're right, Perfect Xero, I was thinking of the Hardcore title.
Shiver
I haven't seen much bad review since people know this was a show to introduce people to TNA...
Oldtimer
I haven't seen much bad review since people know this was a show to introduce people to TNA...


Exactly. That was my point. If you're going to introduce something new to people, you'll have a greater chance of success by establishing a pace that folks can easily follow. Imagine the first episode of a drama ... would you want it to unfold in such a way that you can become emotionally involved with the characters and their activities? Or, would you rather have everything slammed together with little or no explanation, seemingly without rhyme or reason? Which method would have you anxiously anticipating what was to come?

Assuming you were already familiar with TNA going in, can you honestly say they did a good job of enticing people that weren't? I maintain the first episode of "Impact" was way too frenetic and lacked cohesion for that to happen. Those who were already TNA fans likely had no problems with it, but what they did is precisely how NOT to book a show if you want to create interest among newbies. Someone ought to send Jerry Jarrett and crew a tape of Bill Watts' UWF (circa 1985 - 87) to demonstrate how exciting, compelling wrestling that didn't overplay its hand or shoot its wad all at once was done.

All that said, I still hold out hope that TNA will get the idea, stop throwing everything at us willy nilly and produce a show we'll all look forward to seeing every week. The ingredients are all there.
stunner111
I used to be a big wrestling fan back when wwe and wcw were at their height (although ecw was myfavorite) i have soured on it recently. I decided to give tna a shot last saturday and i actually enjoyed it. The 3 way match with the guys from at X division was exciting as was AJ styles. It was also kind of cool to see guys like jeff hardy, nash, sabu and "team 3d" (stupid wwe) that i havent seen in a long time.

oh and that flippping piledriver that the guy from team canada (i forget his name) did afterwards was the coolest move if ever seen
Perfect Xero
Exactly. That was my point. If you're going to introduce something new to people, you'll have a greater chance of success by establishing a pace that folks can easily follow. Imagine the first episode of a drama ... would you want it to unfold in such a way that you can become emotionally involved with the characters and their activities? Or, would you rather have everything slammed together with little or no explanation, seemingly without rhyme or reason? Which method would have you anxiously anticipating what was to come?

I can see what TNA was aiming for ... Getting the storylines over to new fans ... Well, IMO, it's not that important. Lure people in with the promise of a couple of old WWE "superstars", show them some high impact style wrestling to get their attention, then finish by having the "big stars" like the Dudleys errr ... Team 3-D ... and Kevin Nash come out to "prove" to the casual fans that they aren't just a bush league promotion.

If you have them tuning in over the weeks to come they'll pick up on the storylines, spend too much time setting up the story and they might write it off as boring and not come back for more.
BuddysDadd
The first ratings report is showing they generated a .8 rating for the first show.
Shiver
It's not that bad, Heat and Velocity were in 0.4, 0.5. It'll be interesting to see in 2 months when the ratings will have improved.
davidmello
Someone ought to send Jerry Jarrett and crew a tape of Bill Watts' UWF (circa 1985 - 87) to demonstrate how exciting, compelling wrestling that didn't overplay its hand or shoot its wad all at once was done.


Wouldn't the WWE need it more? Maybe not.
But borrowing from the past would benefit the TNA guys. At least it would show itself as a promotion that respect the fans.
erik316wttn
TNA, if they play thier cards right, could be the next WCW.

I mean in terms of challenging Vince McMahon, not the jaw-dropping incompetence.

Is there a Raw thread around here? I looked.
BuddysDadd
To think that TNA could in any way compete with the WWE in the near future is ludicrous. It took tens of millions of dollars upfront and the heel turn from a 15 year babyface who was the biggest draw in the history of wrestling for WCW to compete with the WWE.

TNA hasnt turned a dime in profit since day one. It is run as a tax write off by Panda Energy and The Carter family so their daughter Dixie can have a company to run and stay out of the family business. If only Vince would take that plan and use it with Stephanie. The smartest thing they can do is to spend about 5 years building up slowly and concentrate first on turning a profit. Just being on TV every week is not enough. Especially since its rumored that they are actually paying Spike TV to put them on. They need to be able to have shows somewhere other than the TV studio. Otherwise they will either be playing to the same fans in the audience week after week until they taper off like it did at the Fairgrounds. They will end up filling the arena with anyone they can pull in from Disney with free tickets who mostly wont be wrestling fans to begin with. They need to start slow and thing VERY long term. They need to build up revenue to pay thier guys. Very few of TNAs talent are under any kind of exclusive contract because they cant afford to sign them. If they do anything radical to draw a bunch of attention in any way from the WWE Vince will go out of his way to destroy them. He will throw money at whoever becomes a main eventer in TNA, steal them, job them out to guys like Chris Masters, and send them back to TNA useless to anyone.
bigbadvoodoolou
Is there a Raw thread around here? I looked.


The WWE thread is on the Soap Operas forum.
Shiver
No they're not paying Spike... They were paying FSN back then though. For the profit, they know that they're not making any right now but in the future (1, 1 1/2 years) there will be profit, I assure you that.
BuddysDadd
You sound like Jeremey Borash. Mabye you should sent Bob Ryder your resume. They havent turned dime one of profit in three years. To think they will turn it around that fast is ridiculous. They are millions in the hole.
Shiver
The word will spread about TNA, they'll be able to do house shows and stuff like that, they'll have many more PPV buys, etc... But are you basing your speculation of millions in the hole on?
BuddysDadd
The word will spread? Its been over TWO YEARS!!!!!!. Just how long does it take for word to get out nowadays?

Im basing it on the fact that half the PPV revenue went to the PPV company. And the majority of fans in the stands for the shows at the fairgrounds got in for free. There have been free tickets on the counters of every local gas station and convience store since TNAs second month. If the Carter Family hadnt have stepped in when they did and covered TNAs expenses and overages they wouldnt have made it into thier sixth month and Jerry Jarrett would have lost his house. TNAs original business model was so bad it made Heyman look like a financial genius. They havent had one show that turned even an individual one show profit. Panda has had to write a check every week for over two years to cover the losses. Add that up and its a whole lot of money. Even if they turned around and started having profiable PPVs this month it would still take years to make up the prior losses.
Shiver
In those years, they didn't have a major TV Deal... Do you think sucess comes instantly? Come on...
Shiver
Austin Aries vs Matt Bentley vs Christopher Daniels and Team 3-D vs AMW Tonight :)
Shiver
Well another great Impact!
boomersmommy
Wow, Billy Gunn/Kip James/The Outlaw/Kip Sopp/Monte Sopp/whoever-he-is-this-week sure is looking old.

Edited because I forgot he also used to be called Rockabilly.
Perfect Xero
I read that the ratings for this weeks show were up a bit from last weeks, so that's a good sign.

I really think they need to find someone better to do color commentary for the show. Tenay is good at calling a match, but he's got serious issues with getting the storylines over. The guy they have on color, well, he sucks.

Also, I think it'll take a few years before TNA could be considered actual competition for the WWF (and I'd wager money that if they ever start getting close to that level Vince will start throwing some serious coin at their top guys (and then go back to complaining about how the evil WCW stole his top stars during the Monday Night Wars)).

It took tens of millions of dollars upfront and the heel turn from a 15 year babyface who was the biggest draw in the history of wrestling for WCW to compete with the WWE.

This isn't entirely accurate, the Hogan turn lead to WCW dominating the WWF in the head-to-head ratings wars, but Nitro was competing with RAW from the very start (the first head-to-head match-up was won by Nitro).
BuddysDadd
And then they lost the next week. It went back and forth with both of them doing high 2's in the ratings each. After the NWO was formed WCW took over for over a year week after week and that started the "war" where they were both getting high 4's and low 5's each. Then Vince shifted gears and wiped them out.
Perfect Xero
And then they lost the next week. It went back and forth with both of them doing high 2's in the ratings each. After the NWO was formed WCW took over for over a year week after week and that started the "war" where they were both getting high 4's and low 5's each. Then Vince shifted gears and wiped them out.

The "war" started when WCW decided to air their own wrestling program on Monday nights in direct competition with WWF's RAW and September 4th, 1995 was the first shot in that war. Nitro won the first head to head, RAW the next two, then Nitro won the 4th. The pre-NWO ratings went back and forth and were always close, that's the definition of a close competition. During the post-NWO victory streak for Nitro the ratings were rarely close and WCW went more than a year without a loss.

So, as I said, the implication that WCW wasn't competitive with the WWF before the Hogan heel turn is inaccurate. The Hogan turn took a competitive "war" between Nitro and RAW and gave Nitro a clear advantage that WCW rode for almost 2 years before the WWF managed to make things interesting again and then took the advantage for good.
Divaah46
I've only seen one full TNA Impact program, but I have to say its pacing is much better than WWE's. An hour just zoomed by, and the story/soap opera was neatly contained in the "3D Funeral" segment, instead of having it smear all over the show and dragging on and on and on. I may even catch the free 1/2 hour of the PPV.
Shiver
TNA WRESTLING ANNOUNCES TWO-HOUR PRIMETIME SPECIAL ON SPIKE TV, THURSDAY NIGHT, NOVEMBER 3 AT 9PM ET
Perfect Xero
I've only seen one full TNA Impact program, but I have to say its pacing is much better than WWE's. An hour just zoomed by, and the story/soap opera was neatly contained in the "3D Funeral" segment, instead of having it smear all over the show and dragging on and on and on. I may even catch the free 1/2 hour of the PPV.

I really liked the Funeral segment. It felt really old school in a good way. Like, back in the 80s when you used to get the idea that all of the heels hung out together all of the time, it was like they were a giant club. Also, the guest book was kinda amusing.

TNA WRESTLING ANNOUNCES TWO-HOUR PRIMETIME SPECIAL ON SPIKE TV, THURSDAY NIGHT, NOVEMBER 3 AT 9PM ET

Yeah, they're not getting their regular time slot that week because of UFC, if this does well in the ratings Spike might give them a better time slot. I'd love if if the weekly show got moved to Thursdays at 9 rather than the, got to tape it, slot on Saturdays.
Shiver
Nash has been rushed to be hospital yesterday evening because he was having chest pains and is not medically cleared to work tonight.
Shiver
What a great PPV! Rhino new World Champion!
Maniac64
So I was reading the schedule for the 2-hour TNA impact that was posted on the WWE board and I noticed something. Almost every person listed has some kind of nickname. Now I haven't gotten to see TNA yet so I was wondering, is this just a coincidence or does everybody in TNA just really like nicknames?
Perfect Xero
Eh? I don't think it's much more than you'd be likely to see in a card from the E.

Most Wrestlers tend to get a nickname to go by at some point. The theory being that it's likely to stick out in the minds of the fans. Look at Taboo Tuesday, You've got "HBK", "The Game", "The Nature Boy", "The Big Show", "The Coach", "Mankind/Dude Love/Cactus Jack", "The Big Red Machine/Monster", "The Masterpiece", "The Con-Man", and "Superfly" all on the card.

ETA: The two hour special was a really solid show, Ultimate X and the 6-Man X-Tag really delivered the goods. Monty Brown delivering 3 Pounces at the behest of the crowd was just fun.
Bergie Bergeron
Christian will appear at TNA's Genesis this Sunday, it's official folks!
Maniac64
Dang, Christian and the Dudleys (oops I mean Team 3D), now I really have to watch TNA. Though I really wish Jarrett wasn't the champ, I've always hated him.
boomersmommy
I don't mind the "Brother D-Von" thing, but that "Brother Ray" shit is driving me up the wall. I am looking forward to Christian. Can't wait to tell boomer and boomersuncle. They are the biggest Edge/Christian fans in the world and they were upset about Christian leaving WWE
Bergie Bergeron
Christian Cage will be his name.
Perfect Xero
I thought that tonights episode was pretty weak coming off the big show last week.

The build for Genesis, has been, IMO pretty weak as well. They've really failed to get any of the angles over other than Jarrett/AMW Vs Rhino/3-D.

The Elimination X match sounds cool (we'll have to see which Elimination Tag is better, TNA's or WWF's survivor series) but there's only been a week of build for the match. It almost feels like they realized there were matches other than the Main event and the X-Title matches and had to add a bunch of stuff to the card at the last minute.

I'll get the show just for the X-matches and a chance to see Christian, but they seriously need to improve their build to the PPV in the future.
Bergie Bergeron
Genesis was pretty good! Even the main-event was nice!

http://rapidshare.de/files/7604340/TNA.Gen....Part2.nsv.html

Here's a link for Christian at Genesis. You're gonna need Winamp to see it.
Divaah46
Here are the results from Genesis:
Quick Match Results:
• Preshow: Shark Boy defeated Nigel McGuinness.
• Preshow: The Diamonds In The Rough (Simon Diamond, Elx Skipper, & David Young) defeated The Naturals (Chase Stevens & Andy Douglas) & Lance Hoyt.
• Raven defeated PJ Polaco.
• Hockey Stick Fight: 3Live Kru (Ron Killings, BG James, & Konnan) defeated Team Canada (Bobby Roode, Eric Young, & A1). Kip James was the Special Referee.
• Contender's Match: Monty Brown defeated Jeff Hardy.
• Elimination X: Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, Alex Shelley, & Roderick Strong defeated Chris Sabin, Matt Bentley, Sonjay Dutt, & Austin Aries.
• No Disqualification Match: Abyss defeated Sabu.
• TNA X-Division Champion, AJ Styles defeated Petey Williams.
• Rhino & Team 3D (Brother Ray & Brother Devon) defeated NWA World Heavyweight Champion, Jeff Jarrett & NWA World Tag Team Champions, America's Most Wanted (Chris Harris & James Storm).

Sprinkled throughout were tributes to WWE's Eddie Guererro.
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