I saw a tiny bit of it way back on October 11th..
http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/in...dpost&p=3762927 Heh, I'm guessing those of us who are morbidly fascinated by this show don't exactly overlap with View viewers.

This statement (along with the one someone made very early in this topic about the girls being unable to relate to anyone who is not a beauty queen) really sticks in my mind. So what does he own?

I'm assuming a % of Playboy, Inc. but what else? We were talking earlier that everything Hef does is a giant write-off for the company, reducing their corporate taxes so he can have his floating whorehouse in the sky, etc. I'd be amazed if he actually owns anything personally - even his signature smoking robe is an "icon," so it's definitely owned by the company.

I just saw previews of the next episode of Hef and the girls in Chicago. I noticed that Holly sits so close to Hef, as if she's afraid that another girl might even dare breathe on him. Why doesn't she just handcuff herself to him. They might as well be joined at the hip. It's not like he's hot or anything, so what is she so afraid of? Is she afraid that if she even glances away, he might leave her? How pathetic!

Bio. Chanel had the biography of Dorothy Stratten on last night. Hef was there about 25 years ago sporting a horrid toupee or comb over complete with Grecian formula. However, he spoke very warmly and fatherly about Dorothy. He didn't come across overly creepy or preverted.

In many of the candid interactions he acts the same way towards Brigitte and Kendra. I don't think he's doing either of them.

He can't and here's why -- since 1999 his penis has been a wholly owned subsidiary of Playboy Enterprises. The shareholders would have to approve the use of his penis. Hef does not hold a majority interest in his penis. At the last shareholders meeting penis use was brought up for a vote but was defeated.

but then again, he usually speaks that way about pretty much all the playmates that are featured/profiled on E when they a THS or something like that...sitting on the same couch, in the same robe, with the same picture in the background

*giggle* Really, that thing is past due for decommission.

Tomorrow's ep looks fun with some Chicagoans horning in on Hef...
She must live in fear of hospitalizations, or family events like funerals and weddings that might take her away for > 24 hours.

Remember that arm strength she demonstrated during the scenes of her "decorating" the guest house? carrying the TV, etc.? I'll bet she developed that strength when she (allegedly) killed her family and buried them in a field somewhere -- no way she was going to let them get in the way of her dream of bagging her Puffin.

OH MAN!!!!

Wouldn't it be a GREAT episode of Punk'd if Hef was in on it where he gave them all the boodt and whatnot!??

I could easily see her daintily disassembling a rifle with her perfect nails. Holly's got some strange hidden depths, and not just in the usual places.
Oh to just show us one of the girls getting fired and the process where the main secretary goes through the exit interview (with a checklist!)... and the butlers walk them out down to the curb with a city bus ticket, that would be so cool.

"Returning keys? Check! Phones? Check! Bunny costumes? Check! Got your puke-colored luggage? Check! Got all your livestock in carriers? Check!"

Don't forget -- Hello Kitty paraphernalia, random family members, hideous shorts (Kendra), assorted costumes ("housewife," fake seance, nipple tassles). On second thought, they can feel free to leave the costumes for the next skank.

Or if they were lead to believe he only had 24 hrs. to live or something. Holly would probably hurt herself trying to find a copy of his will.

Bridget was REALLY reaching thinking those chicks REALLY set out to follow them and Hef to that other place after seeing them at Japonaise the night before. Chicago itself isn't THAT large and its very possible to run into the same person/people two nights in a row....I wish there was some way they could have showed the inside of the Chicago Playboy Mansion!!!

So many shoutouts to TWoP tonight!!! How else do you explain the sudden need to rip out the nasty stained carpet and finish the wood floors of the mansion while Hef is away? And Holly sarcastically saying she is a brainless "clone," specially designed to please Hef in every way -- that's what WE say! (OK, probably other people say it to.)

And it's been said before, but it needs repeating: Poor Bryant the Butler. I guess we should have assumed it would be him left in charge of the dozens of dogs. He needs to seriously send out his resume.

Har! But you'd think investors want the most bang for their buck.

Hehehehehehe (uncontrollable laughter)....

Total shout-outs... and we finally get to see the camera crew! Hi guys! Talk about walking a thin line between snark and feigned innocence. "Oh, they did all that in editing, it wasn't uuuusss."

My impression is that this is a last grand tour for Hef (albeit commercial airline for this Chicago trip, unless I missed something). One long, final goodbye to his nostalgic places and old watering holes.

Nice that they are sprucing up the rented mansion. The dogs & endless parade of heels + germs will make short work of the new flooring, though.

And did Holly's list for Bryant include "birds"? She's got a whole freakin' menagerie. Hidden depths, people. With Loch Ness monsters in them.

Holly definately exaggerates her so-called clout at the mansion, with the cutthroat motion regarding her dogs! Not to mention she seems to be under the impression that she's with a somebody......the old gray man aint what he used to be and neither is playboy...I think Holly probably knows, but she figures it wasn't much work snagging Hef, so she'll take what she can get...but there are seasoned young heffas out there with WAY better game than her who probably laugh at her lack of "snagging" skills....it would be interesting to see her family too.

...still cracking up at Bridget getting salty about those women that Hef WILLINGLY went to go speak to....lighten the fuck up...you heffas have him all the time! She must have given holly the night off from her 'ho-dar'

I just assumed they did major repair work every time Hef stepped away from the mansion for more than a night, and this is the first time he's done that since 1982, so there was a lot of work to do.

That whole scene with Hef taking the girls back to his neighborhood was funny and disturbing all at the same time. It was so grandpa and his granddaughters. Hef: This alley used to be dirt back when I lived her before paving was invented. Girls in Unison: Awwwwww! Hef: This was my childhood bedroom. Girls in Unison: Awwwwww!

I was surprised the Chicago mansion owners didn't call the police. Back away from the fence, bimbos.

And WTF was Holly wearing during that tour? That was one seriously ugly outfit.

Poor Kendra during the radio show. Of course, we all knew she wasn't going to be able to read some copy without messing up. Poor, dumb, Kendra. And I thought Holly did a lot better than Little Miss I-need-to-add-this-to-my-demo-tape Bridget. Dream on, sweetie.

Was I the only one completely creeped out when Holly robotically stated "I was born in a cloning lab to be the perfect woman for Hugh Hefner. Even though my IQ may be a little higher than he would prefer." She said it with such a straight face, monotone voice and dead eyes...I almost believed her!

Yeah, totally got the grandfather/granddaughter vibe when he was showing them his old house. Esp when Kendra was like "Did you have have hot chicks sneaking out your window?" or something equally moronic. Soo obvious Hef is NOT her boyfriend.

Anybody know if Hef's first wife is still around? I'd pay to have her on this show.

Yeah, that was a major WTF? moment.

I almost bust a gut when Hef was doing his "grinning little boy" impression, because he truly did look like a crazy old man.
I'll admit he did look rather handsome in that jacket when they returned to the mansion at the end. Real clothing is more flattering than the nursing home chic of the PJs and smoking jacket.

I DO find him to be quite a charmer...

*bleach*

WORD! Best part of the show for me! I almost rolled off my bed laughing!

Wow was Bridget's skin showing it's age on tonight's show-- the lines in her forehead and marionette lines by her mouth. She must be much closer to 40 than 30 years old.

I was stunned at Holly's outfit while they were touring outside of a GRADE SCHOOL - a sequined near crotch length skirt, over the knee socks and stripper shoes. The other girls were in jeans. Holly didn't get the memo?

Very funny show tonight. Psssst, hey Kendra, I'll bet those women at Japonesque can READ!

I believe that was her interpretation of a "schoolgirl" outfit. Didn't you see the argyle sweater? The plaid skirts are so cliche...

Complete with Holly looking bored and rolling her eyes.



Maybe instead of massage therapy school, she should just invest in "Hooked on Phonics"



WTF were they doing at a grade school? I missed this part. How could you even begin to explain who they were/what their jobs were to the students. Let's just hope it wasn't career day.

It wasn't that disturbing. They were touring Baby Puffin's neighborhood. They walked by the elementary school he went to. They didn't go in.

This episode just pissed me off on so many levels. Probably most of all because they were in MY city! Sorry ho's...women in Chicago generally don't walk around with bleached-within-an-inch-of-its-life hair, wearing pink satin jackets and showing their coochie's in sequin miniskirts. They were such fishes out of water it was disgusting.

Holly needs a major smackdown. Where does she get off acting like she has some genious I.Q.? I think she truly believes that.

Is it necessary for the girls to constantly be sucking on a Coffee Coolatta? Oh sorry, with their oral fixations it must serve as a substitute in between being with hot, hot, Hef!

Kendra - it's called chewing with your mouth closed. Try it.

I used to work at 680 N. Lake Shore Dr. where the Playboy office is. You would never even know it's in the building.

Thank God!! I thought they must have had a meet and greet with the principal or something. Of course, if the principal who would have been there when Hef was would have probably have to be 150 now.

ok. it was VERY slow here at work today so I passed the time reading Jill Ann Spaulding's second book...


1.she's as busted as a couple of the other heffas formerly of the harem
2.she writes too many damn thank you notes
3.the book aint so much of a gasp-type tell all, but moreso like a 16 year old's diary

This was part of the girls' array of costumes. This was Holly's schoolgirl costume to go along with her "Housewife" costume, and Brigitte's "seance" costume. For every occasion they wear something equally heinous...but they like, look cute ;) Isn't kendra the only one who doesn't dress up in a costume for everyday wear? And I know not everyone speaks French, but the restaurant they went to, Japonais, is prounounced, Ja-po-nay, not Japo-Naze (yes, I'm talking to you Holly, if you are such a genius, as you claim to be, you would know that, and please stop butchering such a beautiful language).

So Hugh's folks let him and his bride have their room and they took his? Interesting to imagine different the scenarios.

I caught the NYC one again last night, and something we didn't snark on: Bridgette's favorite NYC restaurant, the one with the Halloween theme. I'm stunned such a restaurant exists in NY; I'm guessing it's for the tourist. I have a niece who's nine, and she's got more mature taste than these women.

I almost cried at that place. It's called Jekyll & Hyde, and it's basically like eating inside the Haunted Mansion at Disneyworld. However, the only reason we went there is because we spent a really fun New Year's Eve at a bar in the Village called Jekyll & Hyde that was pretty much a normal bar with some stuffed and mounted animals on display, and we thought it was the same thing.

I found this link to a picture of Kendra before her lip implants/collagen:
Kendra on cover of Street Bike Life Magazine
This must have been just as she was entering the mansion because they mention it in the article. Her nose looks wider, too -- but that might just be me being hyper-critical!

Also found this gem about what will happen to the mansion after Hef kicks the bucket, Hef Land
Life after death for Hugh Hefner
Hugh Hefner is opening up the Playboy mansion to the paying public - after his death.

The 79-year-old magazine magnate, who purchased the now world famous home in 1971 for $1million, has agreed to turn his estate into a tourist attraction but only after he has passed away.

Punters will be able to tour the full grounds of his English Tudor house, including his monkey cage, bedroom, games room and notorious 'grotto' where stars including Frank Sinatra and Justin Timberlake are rumoured to have romped with the sexy Playboy Playmates.

However, Hefner insists he has no intention of falling off the mortal coil just yet - his mother lived until she was 101 - but is looking forward to the home living on after his death.

He said: "The hope and intention is that it will continue after I'm gone and become a variation on Elvis' home, Graceland".

Poor Kendra. Seriously could she be any more white trash? Also Kendra hon, it's not necessary to squish your boobs together to make them look larger. The silicone does a great job all on its own.

I really don't think this show has been good for Playboy Enterprises, with the exception of the money they've been paid to film Hef's life. It's obvious the only woman Hef is possibly "dating" (and I use that term loosely) is Holly. The other two are just along for the ride. It was so obvious when he kissed Kendra and Bridgette good night at the hotel in Chicago that their relationship with him is very much of the grandpa/granddaughter sort.



ITA. I initially just saw her sweater in the limo, and I thought it was cute for touring around. I didn't notice the "skirt" until she exited the limo, and it was just all kinds of wrong.

Note to Holly: You don't have to look like a hoochie at every possible opportunity.

Yes she does! There are all kinds of other intelligent, beautiful women just like her longing to take her place!

Hah! I don't have enough digits to count the number of teenage girls I know who are papering their walls with beefcake posters of 980-year old caved-chested men coyingly displaying their pubic whites under their thickly Absorbant Depends For Men.
But can we agree, though, that Holly's supposedly super absorbant understanding of the position she presently occupies with Hugh and the prolonged adhesive grip she's managed to hold on him is actually ultra-thin?

Maybe Bridgette, Kendra, and HOE-lly can remain employees there after he's gone.

Kendra will be the ticket taker person as you enter the mansion granted she can read what the tickets say.
Bridgette will be the tour guide lady...and she even gets to wear a TOUR guide costume.
Holly will be the security guard.

I actually haven't watched this show, though I know of it. I was watching Tyra Banks Show about manogomy and Hugh and the 3 Stooges were on, so I got curious about this show, so came to read what's been going on (and see if it's worth watching).

Then I read the above comment, happen to look at Holly, and I think she may be wearing the same thing on Tyra's show! Unless that's her usual wardrobe. She's got a crotch lenght skirt, knee socks, big 'ol heeled shoes and a sweater. (Why would you cover yourself up with a sweater if the rest of your body is practically naked?) Did she wear an argyle-like sweater with gray socks and gray sequined skirt? I thought for sure she wouldn't be caught dead in the same outfit twice, but I guess I don't know Hugh and his girls very much.

I can honestly say, though, I've never seen 3 people so physically fake before in my life. Do they know what the word natural is? They look like they share the same bottle of Clariol Nutrisse and possibly the 3 of them might make up 1 whole brain.

I think she'd like to be called "Buttercup," when deep down, she's a Diva Cup.

I just watched a show on A&E (biography?) and it showed Hef with a different head girlfriend, Tina Jordan. It didn't look like it was filmed that long ago, maybe 4 years ago,and there was no Holly, Bridgitte, or Kendra in sight. There was his Monkey Girlfriend, who had all the pet monkeys. It's obvious he alternates, or fires his head girlfriends, so Holly watch out!! You could be replaced by someone a lot younger!! The first head girlfriend probably thought she would be with the old geezer forever too. I'd say holly has a good year left with him until he kicks the bucket.

I saw the non-Kendra's on Curb Your Enthusiasm - didn't I? Don't know when that was.

I caught that too! I think that specific "party posse" may have been about a year before Holly and Fourth Wheel came into the picture. That's the group that had the single mother living there with her child....it did nothing to curb my longing to go to one of those scandlous parties netiher *rolls eyes*

The book that Jill Ann Spaulding wrote has references and pictures of Holly and Bridget so this was right before then as well I am assuming...

I thought I saw Holly briefly dancing at the Midsummer's party towards the end of the A&E thing. She looked sort of plain & wan compared to the other girls. Oh, but we know she's really SMRT, and that's why she's still there.

Did you see the "archives" that Hef retains on his life? A whole roomful of volumes. Weird that they never mention it on the E! show. They also don't really show Hef's friends who seemed to be there a lot during the week in the A&E special. I think his wife wanted them all booted, characterizing them as "freeloaders."

And the big thing E! has left out is Tuesday visitation with Kimberly and their children. I suppose the Girls Next Door are locked up during those times, or that Kimberly flat refused to be a part of their show.

It was kind of gross to realize that Hef's been f&c-ing an assembly line of blondes for, like, 40 years now.

I would love for a future episode of GND to feature a "Where are They Now?" of past girlfriends....mostly because I want to kow what Monkey Girl is doing these days and I want to hear Holly's snarking on all of them.

Note to Holly: Hef promosed to make Monkey Girl a mother someday, too, and look what happened to her.

I am so sorry I missed the A&E special!!!! I remember from the Cribs episode that the mansion seemed to have a soup kitchen vibe and was housing a lot of people -- I was wondering if that's why he was going broke.

Oh, the platinum-level snark from you would have been priceless.
Seriously? Do elaborate.

I got the vague impression from that treacly A&E show that Hef's ancient buddies use the "mansion" as an informal whorehouse, as well.

Topic, topic... E!'s just going to tease us with, "Hef looks at other women!!" each week, when nothing really changes or happens.

ETA (and I am eta way too much lately): dinner theater at the house with a murder mystery thingy. Ken-duh goes nuts, but probably can't get her brain cell lined up enough to solve it.

Bwah! yeah holly's super smart, so smart that she has an array of talents:

She's a professional chef: She cooks nasty germ infested "baby burgers"

She can speak French: "We all went to a restaurant called Japo-NAZE" I'm sorry that still bugs me, it's spelled Japonais which is french, but it is pronounced Japo-NAY. UGHHH....that still bugs me.

She has a deep respect and knowledge of other ethnicities: Kendra: None of the Homiez dolls have blonde hair!" Holly: "That's because they're ethnic"

I wish I knew what happened with her firing/break-up, but on the CRIBS episode, Monkey Girl was cradling a tiny monkey in her arms like a baby the whole time and (IIRC) Hef looked at her and said something to the effect of "See? I promised to make you a mother! And there you go!"

So my comment was kind of tongue in cheek, but it just doesn't seem so special if (and that's a big if) Hef and Holly have actually (ding!) talked about a baby. Because while she is talking specifically about a Homo sapien baby he's just thinking primates in general.

It's like she has her own private, secret game of Survivor going on: she'll outwit, outlast and outplay all the other harem members.
Or dogs... "you're a puppy mommy! Let's go watch some movies."

And, he's consistently called the women "honey," which makes it easier for him with the whole "remembering names" part. I think Kimberly called him "baby honey" which was creepily close to baby puffin. It was weird seeing the area near the staircase littered with childrens toys during her residence.

Playboy, Inc.'s employment contracts with the girls clearly prevent them from talking about their time at the mansion in any real way - they're only allowed to speak positively of it. Given the general flakiness of mansion-girls, though, I'm surprised more of them haven't dished. Maybe a group of thugs is sent out once per year to make sure everyone remembers not to talk.

MAN!!!!


We are SO gonna see one of them on some reality show like Surreal Life in the next two years...and if it's Holly then I am willing to bet she will speak negatively about her time there, but be vague about it enough that it won't violate her post-mansion gag order but enough that we know what she's talking about!

I could see Kendra on something like "Battle of the Network Reality Stars" I would SO love to see her give Klep (Veronica from RR) something to pout about


Bridget, will be on some 'E' special with a 30 second segment pimping her "Blonde Mafia" clothing line....Gizzy will be in the background with the usual bitchface...no sign of Wednesday!!