Hef probably stole his prom date.

I think it happened when Hef called his first wife a wh00r and blamed the failure of the marriage on her.

Kally did you read the ELLE article on the GND? The author, no real admirer of the girls, seems to think Holly is intelligent, funnily enough she mentions that Holly is reading a bio of Madame de Pompadour, rather apropos don't you think? Not to mention that Holly does seem to have some ambition to worm her way into an actual job with PLAYBOY rather than just playing butt buddy to Hef.



I've often thought the same thing. The sexual revolution supposedly "freed" us from unwanted pregnancy and allowed us the sexual "freedom" that men have supposedly long enjoyed. I too don't think that it quite worked out like that. Fact is that women who sleep with any guy that catches their fancy is still considered a whore. And sadly they are plenty of women that will sell out a friend in a hot minute if some guy comes along.

I did read the ELLE article, and I thought it was quite interesting, even though it seemed weird, first biased one way, then the other.

I never said Holly was dumb- creating and presenting a whole calculated self to get and keep what you want takes a certain devious intelligence. I wouldn't classify her as brilliant, however. I guess you brought that up because I said that HH does not see his girlfriends as anything more than arm candy and sex objects. I stand by that. Just because Holly has an interest in French history (and I agree, reading a book about a king's mistress is delightfully ironic) and is intelligent does not mean that HH sees her that way, or chose to date her because of it. That's my point- any intelligence or personality one of his girlfriends or hangers-on has is ancillary to their T&A. He would never date a woman simply because she was smart or cool, they have to fit into the cookie cutter image of hot female that he has established.

I think we agree with each other more than we disagree, and I hope I'm phrasing what I think all right- basically, the women he associates with (with a few exceptions) are there only for their looks and their willingness to defer to and fawn over him. Whether they are smart or not is irrelevant to him, since he does not consider that to be important in a woman, and it seems to me that he is operating from the standpoint that men are superior to women.

Well, if we're going to indulge in tautologies, then good journalism is good journalism. And art is art. I mean, why do you think PB is porn as opposed to art? I happen to agree, but not because guys jerk off to it, because some guys'll jerk off to anything. Guys'll jerk off to photos of Condi Rice and Laura Bush for God's sake (there was a guy on Opus and Andy "fantasizing" about raping them--charming). So whatever fantasies go through a man's mind, whatever urges he has are on him.

I don't know, I'm seeing a lot of assumptions here (from a lot of posters) based on the show that don't bear out to me. I don't love HH but I don't think he's the downfall of feminism, not by a long shot, and I do think there's a big difference between sleaziness like GGW, and tasteful nude pictures that are sexual in nature. Also, as an artist's model (I've posed for painters, sculpture, FIT art classes, etc.), there is something pretty empowering in posing nude. I wouldn't pose for PB--it's not my thing--but I don't think those women are necessarily "fooling themselves" or exploiting themselves or anything like that. It's pretty freeing to realize--nudity just ain't that big a deal. It's not "showing your bush"--that's a pretty crude term to describe what may well be a really positive experience to those women. It's just the nude body. What's the big deal?

Of course I happen to believe women should be allowed to show their chests just as men do--breasts are not inherently sexual, any more than a man's thighs are, and it's illogical we should have to cover up. I will say, I DO agree that PB heightens expectations on women's apearances by featuring so many women with boob jobs, etc.--but OTOH, they also feature older women (celebrities) from time to time--I don't think any other "laddie" magazine (that cracked me up when HH called it that on Larry King--GOD, that's an old term) does that.

Eh. PB just doesn't excite that much fury in me.

coptop, You've captured my thoughts exactly. I went back to grad school in my late 20s (I just turned 34) and can totally see what you're talking about. I was in a sorority as an undergrad and the whole faux lesbian thing wasn't popular in the early - mid 90s. Where did all of that come from? It's just a desperate cry for male attention.

I work out a lot and have a better body than a lot of women in their 20s and I have to say that confidence, intelligence, and being comfortable in your own skin is much more sexy than showing off every bit of skin possible. :) Although I'm 34 (I look much, much younger though), I still get looks from those young'uns. lol!

First of all, I can't believe I noticed this -- and I am properly ashamed -- but there was some wonky footage in the beginning of the most recent episode. The opening scene had Bridget in her silver 60s costume, which she supposedly had sent to her for the last night of their trip(?). I know they recycle footage, but it was still weirdly jarring. I guess I'll have to wait for the DVD commentary to understand this fully...



I'm not sure if this is true. In Izabella's book (yes, I read it, I admit -- but it's okay! Izzy's a lawyuh!), she says that both Christie and David (his son) come to Christmas dinner (with their SOs) at the mansion. Does anyone have any source on the supposed rift with his son? I've heard it mentioned on this thread a few times, but never seen it mentioned anywhere else -- in the THS, etc.



Agreed. And I believe that girlie pictures have grey areas, just like anything else. Hef prides himself on not photographing women in meat grinders, and not trolling college bars in Cancun. Obviously, not everyone draws the same lines, but on the spectrum of "porn," where people stick things like Maxim, or Esquire, or Playboy, or Hustler, or the print version of GGW (is there such a thing?!) depends on personal taste and boundaries.

That said, I'm not really a fan of the Elle article. The author's tone was odd -- and was she seriously referring to "Come On-a My House" as "the show's theme ditty" as if it's some bit written for E? I always thought using that well-known song was a cute in-joke about Hef's age.

I still don’t get why Kendra would be considered the favorite. The only time I saw Hef look at her with anything other than grandfatherly absence was when she sang her little porn song for him. And his look at that point was STFU, you foul little freak. The rest of the time he gazes at her with bewildered amusement. Not what I would consider the look of love.

If you want to talk about pure sex toy, Kendra’s the only one of the three. I think that is what the Elle writer was getting at, that Holly can hold a conversation, Bridget can make him laugh, and Kendra can only give blowjobs. I think Hef is hugely misogynistic, and women have to conform to his ideals, but I do think he’s intelligent enough that a stupid woman would never be his favorite.


But, it is common knowledge, isn’t it? Kendra is just smart enough to know that she is profoundly stupid and missing out on any subtext or nuance to a conversation. The fact that she’s willing to admit that she doesn’t understand a common word or where babies come from or how to tell time doesn’t make her any smarter, it just shows that she’s not hiding her ignorance, probably because it would be an impossible task. And I don’t really think Kendra’s problems are from being undereducated – I think she’s either brain damaged from the lifestyle she was leading or has a sub-average IQ. I totally agree that she’s “grimly aware” that she’s out of her league and I think the Elle writer caught that quickly.

kally you have elucidated your position very well, and I do think, in essence, we agree about HH.

Anyway, I'm glad that the discussion of the show has gone a little deeper than pure snark, or giggly fandom. Being a woman has never been easy even with the gains in equality over the last 40 years. Despite all that, a women's value in some circles is still based soley on what she looks like. (This is not to say that I don't value female beauty, I do. I'm old enough now to appreciate other women's beauty, which I wasn't always able to do when I was actively competing with other females for the attention of men, sigh...)

Well stated kallyk25.

I think thats all the senility will allow. I equate it with a baby staring at its favorite mobile. Her particular noise is higher pitched and catches his attention somehow. Whatever the reason I do think he pays more attention to her, but YMMV.

Coptop, well said -- I agree. The world doesn't really respect women who actively participate in a sexualized world, be it Playboy or Girls Gone Wild. It's one thing to go panting after a beautiful young woman with huge boobs, or date or marry her in order to bask in her reflected glory in order to feel like a big man. It's another thing entirely to want her as the mother of your children, or to want her when she's old, wrinkled, and gray. These women only hold value as long as they maintain a certain look and behavior as defined by men.

The more I think about it the more discusted with myself I am for enjoying this show. I am an adult woman who works alot and enjoys watching the adventures of these girls. But I cannot belive mothers let their young daughters watch this. I wasn't even allowed to read cosmo when I was a teenager. What are these mothers thinking? After reading the posts from yesterday I went to the girls gone wild website and watched the clips they had posted. I must be nieve, because I thought GGW was just videos of girls flashing boobs and butt. NOT these sex acts that were barely blurred out! GGW does make Playboy look literary by comparison.

This is what bothers me the most about Hef and his empire -- and should be especially offensive to women. In Hef's mind, a woman is only sexually attractive from the ages of 18 to 24 (starting at 18 only 'cause that's the legal age). That's why his eyes pop out over Kendra -- and they really do. I don't know how an earlier poster didn't notice this, but it happens in nearly every ep. He's less than lukewarm to Holly (she's over 25) and he couldn't care less about Bridget (she's over 30).

Now that he's older, I guess he'll consider a woman up to 30. But after 30 (OK, because of Bridget, let's stretch it to 35), in Hef's mind, women might as well be dead 'cause he'd never want to have sex with them -- and that's really the Playboy philiosophy. Yeah, they've featured great looking women over 35 occasionally, but that's clearly not the Playboy norm or what Hef is interested in even remotely.

As far as Hef is concerned, women are sexually unattractive, unappealing and useless after 40. So how can he possibly see himself as a feminist, with this absurd way of thinking?

I agree that there is nothing wrong with nudity, or the human body, and I am all for nude beaches and modelling, etc. The problem I have with PB is the context of the nudity. There is so much baggage, from the ageist, conformist, idea that the plastic blond hairless body in a size 4 is the only acceptable figure, to how PB presents women as nothing more than their bodies. Any interests they discuss in their models or HH's girlfriends seems like a condescending pat on the head "oh look, she likes to read, pretty little thing."
I'd love if this country promoted a more open attitude towards sexuality and nudity that did not fit into the PB/GGW mode and showed real men and women.

Wait, are you saying that we haven't noticed this yet? Because I'm pretty sure that before we started this Hef is/isn't a feminist discussion, we were all saying how obvious it was that Hef is nuts for Kendra, and kind of blah about the other girls. Or were you saying that one particular poster didn't notice?

I would be inclined to think that the pictures were art if 1. they showed any type of woman other than a girl with a specific physique, or 2. the girls in the pictures weren't trying SO HARD to be sexy. It's not art if they all look the same to me. Yes, big props to him for including women who are different colors, but come on. They all still have the exact same figure, and are all pretty much the same age.

Well, the thing I'll say about the Playboy sexuality thing is that at least the Playboy image is somewhat of an attainable "standard of beauty" - if you want to project that. Seriously, many of these girls are not all that beautiful. It's attainable just by not eating, dyeing their hair a trashy blond, going tanning, and getting huge implants! By those standards, many girls could qualify so it's not all that exclusive....I mean, in Playboy world, all kinds of girls who are not all that spectacular can be considered attractive..no wonder it's appealing to some girls. It's a level of beauty they can meet with some hair dye and some implants. I think in the "real world" expectations of "beauty" are a lot harder to meet and that is depressing!! So go be a Playboy girl where you can be considered sexual, desirable, and attractive! That's what Bridget did anyways.

I was watching the episode where Holly is trying to work her magic with the female dj/centerfold candidate. One thing I didn't know about Playboy pictorials is that they like there to be the presence of a man in the shots - a hat, a smoking jacket, a cocktail. That was very interesting to me. I used to date a guy who had a subscription, and I got hooked on finding the bunny in the cover shot. I wish I would've known about the presence of the man deal - I would've kept my eyes open for that.


See, you really do learn things from GND!!

Wow, while I find this true, what a horrible reminder that these women are not viewed as humans, merely as objects with removable and interchangeable parts.

Hhhmm, and what kinds of other things do we get rid of when they are too old, clothes, cars, furniture, OBJECTS. Hef objectifies women and this is my major argument for why Hef is a mysoginist.


I could say the moon is made of cheese, that does not make it true. Neither is it true that Hef is a feminist,despite what he says. Facilitating the whole sale exploitation of women and thier sexuality to benefit your own pleasure is not feminism,even if you con the women into believing it is.

Its like saying a scam artist who calls an old lady and tells her she can win the Trinidad lottery if she gives up her bank account number is not guilty of theft because the old lady gave it willingly. She did not give it willingly, she gave it under the pretense of false promises. Much the same way these girls give up their dignity.

They are sold a bill of goods, they are told 'you will be famous, rich, loved, taken care of...' if only you will take off your clothes, dye your hair, loose some weight, and in many cases have some sex. It is human nature to want to be loved, have your needs met, even be in a relationship where you feel cared for. To promise all those things is to use our very nature against us to achieve your pleasure.


Wolf in sheep's clothing.

Mary is acceptable to him because although she is not useful sexually she stays in an acceptable place for a woman, secretary.

The definition of feminism; Not only do I think Hef is a mysogynist, I think he is the most dangerous kind. He's just polite enough, gives them just enough freedom, just enough money, dresses well, and even has a daughter. He acts in concert with women just enough to give him self a bit of defense for his behavior. Wouldn't it be so much easier to believe he was a mysogynist if he beat the girls, made jokes about women, or lived in a trailer in a wife beater shirt?

Hef is the opposite of feminism, he is perpetuating beliefs that allow women to reamin unequal socially, politically and economically.


The sexual revolution freed MEN from unwanted pregnancy AND the need to make pesky emotional connections in order to get laid. Trust that if it hadn't been for these benefits for men we still wouldn't have the pill.

I'm not sure I understood this post. I wonder if this poster thinks Hef doesn't think Kendra's hot? I don't know if Kendra is Hef's favorite, but as many others have pointed out many times before, she seems to be the only one of the three that has any chance (if there is a chance) of giving Hef a boner without Viagra. Really sorry for the gross image this implies!

Holly is a good employee/#1 girlfriend and it seems like Hef appreciates that and he probably has come to depend on her quite a bit. She says all the right things -- like the BS about PB being so great and what a great editor and lover he is, blah, blah, blah. And she does know how to behave responsibly and look suitable for various occasions. Given how unstable many of his recent girlfriends have been, he could do a lot worse than Holly.

Interesting comments about the PB standard of beauty being attainable. Playboy has always held itself up as for a select few. But I suppose many women (under 25 of course) might fit the standard with enough surgery, dieting and hair/makeup work.

Has Hef ever had a girlfriend other than the Caucasion non-ethnic type? Black? Jewish? Asian? Latin? You would think if he's gonna have a harem that he'd have a buffet of various types instead of the same blondes but at various ages (one young, one medium young and one elderly). I wonder if there's a PB retirement plan and if Bridget will qualify soon.

So think about this: What purpose does each Girl Next Door serve to Hef. Well we've said before, Holly and Hef have the most common interests- so there's probably more convo going on their bedroom than sex. Kendra to me looks like a girl that Hef just wants to take care of and nurture- be her savior from her previous life while making him laugh because of she's the youngest with the most energy- which in turn keeps him young. But the question is what about Bridget? I heard she's still maried, wants kids maybe someday but is not any hurry, but loves Hef and planning parties. She could one of the staff if she didnt look like Hef's type. She's the Jan Brady of the Bunch.

I also saw, God Help me but (they were actually pretty good) the girls' workout videos. Holly & Bridget's WO's were similar but Holly's talk through out was more about how she's SOOOO busy at the mansion that this is the WO she does with her 4 dogs all around her plus whenever she's watching a film with Hef and stuffing her face with popcorn- remember to WO and work your gut.
Bridget was ok and didnt look flabby to me.
Kendra's was like a mini Billy Blanks and of course the most fit of the 3.

radicalmoderate, word to this *raises fist in female solidarity*

He cloaks himself the image of promoting women's equality, and does a good enough job faking it that people believe him. There's some bible quote about beware those who speak in the guise of the good or something- I'm not a super religious person, but there are some good phrases in there. Does anyone know the exact quote I'm thinking of?

Check the Duggar thread. There are a few Bible quoters.

Has it? I mean, I learned all I know about Playboy from the E:THS, but wasn't HMH obsessed with "girls next door" (literally) and started out by getting women who worked in the PB offices to pose nude? I always thought the Playboy standard of beauty was supposed to be very girl-next-door -- and therefore somewhat average-y attainable -- whether or not it actually turns out that way.



"Our old friend Barbie Benton"* (nee Klein) is Jewish. But as for dating women who are mainly the same look, background, ethnicity, whatever, aren't many men -- and women -- guilty of the same "crime"? Having a particular physical type is the very least of Hef's issues, IMO.

And while I don't think anyone thinks he's Betty Friedan in silk pajamas, not everyone is going to think he's a hideous misogynist either. There's a spectrum, and not everyone will put him in the same place. Meanwhile, at least until the GND, Hef in the 1990s/2000s lacked the cultural relevance to be able to be a whirlwind sexist force. Now? Might be another matter. I still can't believe women brought their young daughters to that signing...

*Picture Holly saying this with teeth gritted

The playboy models are definitely supposed to be styled as a girl-next-door, but my god, some of those girls are stunning. I used to work in a closed-stacks library where we kept the university's Playboys (so they wouldn't get stolen), and the girls from the 1950s through the 1970s were absolutely beautiful. And this is without boob jobs, and much less bleached blonde hair. They're supposed to be a little more than the girl next door, because who wants to see the overweight uggo that actually lives next to your house? I wish PB hadn't gone in the direction of fake-boobed, bleached-out women, but I suppose that's what they think the market will bear (for my part, I think they're wrong about that).

I don't really want to get into the whole feminism debate a whole lot, but count me in on the side of not really considering HH anti-feminist. I consider many men to be sex objects, too - I love good-looking, smart, young men. HH is just as much as a sex object to his girlfriends as they are to him. I just think their objectification takes a different form - they like his power, status and money. In that sense, I think they are equals, and I think Hef recognizes this. Equality doesn't mean each gender's attitude towards each other has to be exactly the same, especially since between socialization and innate tendencies, they probably won't ever be. To me, it's more about equal treatment than equal attitudes, I suppose. On a final note, I think in general (some weird stuff aside) HH treats his girlfriends very well. Much better than some of my exes have treated me, and their "attitudes" towards women are supposedly much better. And the girls are free to speak up or leave if they want to. Lots of former girlfriends in the past have done this.

It doesn't surprise me in the least.

Didn't his son become a "born again" Xian?

I find that to be true - actually, Hef is REALLY picky about the level of beauty of girls who get in the magazine. But when it comes to girlfriends, those girls all just look really thin, fake, blond and plastic with big (.)(.) - like oversexed Barbie dolls. Even looking at old pictures when there were a bunch of girlfriends, most of them were not anything great. Even Holly was "less than beautiful" back then and she still got to be a girlfriend. I guess lots of guys have a "type" they like, and that seems to be Hef's personal type. Not that hard for lots of young girls to be that if their little twisted hearts desire. But in terms of the magazine, Hef seems to have an artistic eye and there are many stunning looking women. Some are exotic, some are (hotter than) the-girl-next-door type, but I think he's always been pickier about the magazine than his girlfriends! He didn't even want to put them in there if it wasn't for the show, and even then he would only do it if they were all together, so it was more about the show and less about their individual beauty which on it's own is not up to par with a Playboy centerfold.

I think Izzy alluded to the fact that Hef purposely picked girlfriends without much of a chance of making Playmate because the girlfriends who had gotten the title, or were attractive enough to achieve modeling success outside of PB, all "broke up" with him. I remember in Season 1 Holly said that Hef didn't think she wasn't photogenic enough, and Brigdet (at least, I think -- I could be wrong about this) had been rejected for Playboy several times even as a girlfriend and didn't get her first pictorial until after the initial success of GND. I believe it was the one she cried about in the first season when Kendra and Holly shot a shower scene without her.

So, yeah -- I think for Hef, who probably can't see that well without that monocole he wears to check out the polaroids, probably goes for blondes between 110-120 pounds with gigantic boobies, period, who are more likely to stay with him and maintain that image for him. The magazine has a higher standard.

Do you think the girls fully appreciate this concept? It means so much to them and yet he was so reluctant to let them even be in the magazine. Have they been in with individual poses yet? I am racking my brain but can't rememebr any. At first I thought they had but I can only rememebr them individually in the calendar shots, and there were those shots where each of them was featured but the others had to be in the background.

And emphasizing the old.

TMZ has posted a picture with Hef placing his hand protectively on Holly's stomach as if she's pregnant, but Hef's reps are disavowing the pregnancy.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/05/25/does-hef-hav...-oven/#comments

And now we have the plotline for the next season of TGND.

I don't believe it for a second, I think he was just backing her up out of the way of the reporter he was trying to get to. But I bet Holly loves the rumors and is currently showing the picutre to Hef telling him all about how everyone expects it so lets go ahead and surprise them.

She'll probably start knitting booties in public, and when asked about them reply with, "oh, they're nothing {coy smile}."

Thank you for posting the link to the picture. I hadn't seen it. I hope the rumors aren't true. I know that Holly wants a baby with Hef but I was hoping that he would hold her off indefinitely. If feels wrong to me to bring a baby into this situation. I think that Holly is being very selfish if she is pursuing a baby with Hef.

Hef's age will keep him from being an active dad. He only has so much longer to live. Five, ten, fifteen years? The child will grow up in that weird 'almost a celebrity but not quite category.' Think Nicole Ritchie, Paris Hilton & Sean Stewart. It seems difficult to be one of these kids. Since the father, Hef will most likely be deceased and Holly in my opinion isn't too stable, then adding in the possibility of growing up in the Playboy mansion (!), it doesn't look good especially character and values-wise. Money and two extra mommies aren't everything. And if Holly is secretly planning on taking over Playboy, I don't think that it's going to happen...

I know that it can be argued that 'regular' people have babies in less that ideal situations but this one is on TV so I'm watching.

As a side note, although I feel mean saying this, Cristal Camden isn't that pretty. I never noticed but in that episode where she's the cyber girl, I realized (yet again) what a difference that hair extensions & make up can make.

I was reading the comments and you could tell who the teenagers were. "OMG why do you hate? Holly and Hef r teh kewt!" Then there was the other spectrum: "I'm 50 and I'd rather eat Pigeon shit than go out with him!"


The generation gap continues to widen....and Hef can somehow relate to Kendra.

I saw the pic. I bet she is pregnant.

Mandy, I'm more disturbed about single mothers having babies with daddies who don't want to help support them in any sense of the word. If Holly has a Hef baby, even if they broke up tomorrow and hated each other, you know she would get plenty of child support and the child would have every advantage in life. Lots of women wind up single mothers - there are plenty of Iraq war windows out there right now with little children. Being young is no more a guarantee of life than being old is a guarantee of death. The way Hef is going, he might be the next George Burns and hit 100.



Hef is a good businessman, that's all.

A sure route to failure in ANY business is producing product based solely upon what YOU like. Imagine 31 flavors if they only sold chocolate! Hef is smart enough to know that different men have different turn-ons. Some like big boobed blondes, some like olive-skinned brunettes, some like latinas, some like african-americans, some like redheads with ivory skin...he puts a range in the mag to appeal to as many guys as possible. Some guys like fresh-faced teenager types, some guys like more mature women who look devilish and overtly sexual. That's how you keep your sales up. Makes sense to me.

That really looks like a classic Hollywood preggo picture- think when Tom Cruise was incapable of keeping his hands off of Katie Holmes's tummy. In real life, however, I've never seen any dad-to-be in that position. So it could either way.

In my evil little mind, I would LOVE for Holly to be knocked up, because I think it would be funny and weirdly entertaining. Neither of them would make good parents, in my opinion, but they're rich enough not to be bad parents, as in the kid would be taken care of and everything.


Cristal Camden is a hideous victim of plastic surgery who is fortunate enough to have the body desired today, to which she added fake boobs. From the neck up, with no make-up on, she'd scare small children and classical artists. There, do you feel better? :)

Oh, so much word. She is fugly beyond belief. Someone upthread compared her to that crazy old rich lady they call the Lioness woman, or something, and it's totally true. Though I don't personally find Holly and Bridget attractive, I could understand why some guys would. (I do, personally, find S3 minus the eyeliner and bleach Kendra smokin' hot.) Most of the other playmates we see on the show are gorgeous as well--Sara Underwood, the girl with the MBA, the girl from Germany, Kiana Chase, etc. Cristal brings the fug, big time. You can tell (or at least in the pictures I've seen) that she's airbrushed to death, posed in the ways most flattering to her face, etc. I just seriously, seriously do not get her.

Though it does make sense in light of all the comments about Hef usually dating girls not attractive enough for the magazine. Because I have a sneaking suspicion Cyber Girl was mostly to placate her since he'd never, ever give her a centerfold, a la Jill Ann.

Christie Hefner is Chairman and CEO of Playboy Enterprises. Hef turned over the reins before he married Kimberly Conrad to ensure that Kimberly would have NO POWER WHATSOEVER in that empire. Her dad might be many things, but stupid is not one of them. He knew that Kimberly was a goldigger who wouldn't have sneezed in his direction if he hadn't been rich as Croesus. I'm sure the same applies to Holly and all the other "girlfriends." Perhaps that's why he likes young plastic women - he doesn't have to care about them and they accommodate his needs. He's an old dog that knows all the tricks...any woman that tries to outfox Hef is in for a very rude awakening.

A. MEN.

Here's something I don't get about Kimberly Conrad--HH seems...a little bitter, I guess, about the end of that marriage. He doesn't trash her but he says it was "difficult" and how painful it was. So--why hasn't he divorced her then? Why does she live next door? Me no get.

If Holly were to ever become pregnant by Hef's spoiled ejaculate (which several people on this board - including myself - have previously likened to a foul smelling cloud of dust) the baby would come out with half of a head, internal organs on the outside of its body, missing limbs and possessing no working nervous system. (Which would qualify it for Cyber Girl of the Month a la Cristal Camden...so good news there, right?)

Hef can't even replace his own skin cells any more at this point in his life - he is not manufacturing healthy spermatozoa.

My guess would be the two minor children he has by her. I'd bet that if they didn't have kids, they'd be divorced and she'd be living elsewhere.

Am I mistaken? I thought it was pretty well accepted that Playboy had very little diversity to their models. Huge, fake tits, long blonde hair, and waxed pubes has got to describe the majority of women for the past 5 years, right? I tried to find demographics or stats but couldn't.

From the (admittedly little) I've seen of Playboy models, both on the show and in the magazine, maybe a third or a quarter of the models have dark hair, which is touted as diversity by Holly and HH. I can beat that- I have dark brown hair with copper highlights! I'm so diverse!

Or maybe diversity, Playboy-style means half of the models have landing strips, and the other half have full Brazilians.

A quick glance at the PB website reveals the following:

2007 Playmates (thus far)

• 2 blondes
• 2 brunettes
• 1 unfortunately highlighted blonde-brunette hybrid

2006 Playmates

• 5 blondes
• 1 African-American
• 6 brunettes

2005 Playmates

• 6 blondes
• 1 African-American
• 4 brunettes
• 1 redhead

So it seems pretty evenly split between the blondes and the brunettes, with one token AA or Asian (if you look back a few years, which I'm too lazy to post) per year. There are also some girls that may be Latina or biracial, but I don't know for sure. Not exactly diverse, but I wouldn't say that it's overwhelmingly blonde.

Anyway, I can't believe that I just did that. I blame summer vacation.

Well that does go along with the giant sorority/slumber party mindset that Hef is trying to maintain. I can imagine a reporter asking one of the girls about diversity, and once he explained what that was, the girl replying "of course we are diverse we allow both blondes and brunettes!". Ugh, I'm surprised that they don't wear sweatpants with "playboy" written across their butts.

Just watched Hef's party. What happened to Bridgette? I'm not going to say she's fat because she is probably still a size 4, but her face was a lot bigger - any comments?

Brace yourself -- I've definitely seen at least one of the GND wearing just that in some episode or other ...

About Hef divorcing his wife...I always assumed it was because of CA's community property laws. If he got a pre-nup, does the pre-nup nullify the community property laws?

Beyond that, the more I think about it, I also suspect that Hef has no intention of marrying ever again. Lots of older people don't feel the need for a new marriage. Also, and I think this may be key, he may want to remain married for the sake of his two youngest boys (by Kimberly). I saw them in TV interviews once and it's clear that Hef maintains a role in their lives and he is important to them -- Hef just prefers not to show that family on GND. But the boys, and Christie, are entirely separate and important family members to Hef. I just think he's too old and tired to introduce an entirely new family into the mix.

He doesn't gain anything financially or legally by marrying Holly, or having more children by her. I think she's just a temporary companion. Combined with the unexpected success of GND, Holly, Bridgette and Kendra are great marketing tools that are driving business to the Playboy brand.

Well, I watched that A&E show on the PB empire, and Hef was saying that he always showed some evidence of a man in the photos to make it appear that the woman in the photo was getting ready to or had just had sex with a man. He wanted to show that "nice girls" (girl-next-door types) had sex, not just nasty, dirty whores. I mean, have you ever seen that Gidget movie where some evil girl starts a rumor that Gidget was having sex and, oh, my Gawd! Her reputation! Who would ever love her? Nice girls having sex was sort of a feminist ideal, you know, in 1962. But I agree with other posters, it's 2007, and Hef's just a creepy old pig. I liked the way the Elle magazine article put it:



And I agree that PB isn't nearly as exploitive as GGW, but I think it's exploitive nonetheless. VH1 had a show once called Centerfold Babylon, and a lot of the playmates thought they would be the next Pam Anderson, and posing nude would kick off their careers. Their issue would come out, they'd get a lot of attention. But then the next issue would come out, and they'd be crushed to learn they're now yesterday's news. Most of them were very, very naive. I think this was sort of clear in that one episode when we saw all those former PB models lining up to kiss Hef and the GND's asses to get a shot at becoming a cocktail waitress in Vegas. Sad.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found the young girls at the autograph sessions just horrifying. I mean, I hear Bridgette talk about how she wanted to be in PB since she was four, and I wonder what the hell kind of upbringing she had. And then I see a mom and eight-year-old girl talking about how the kid loves Kendra, and I seriously want to cry. So very, very disturbing. I mean, I want to throw something at my television every time I hear some girl on ANTM say Paris Hilton is her idol, but Paris Hilton is a legitimate role model in comparison to Kendra.