Holly is a net savy girl with a lot of time on her hands between Casablanca viewing parties and anal bleachings. She probably starts those rumors online herself while hiting the fake LV forums for links to believable fake suitcases.

Kendra is the only smart one, using her money to buy a condo in a great resale market like San Diego. Does Bridget's hubby's business do well? Well enough to piss away all her hard-earned money on living like the world's oldest Disney Princess?


I wonder what percentage of the fee Playboy retains?

God Bless you for this. I am still laughing. Paid so they don't wander off, indeed.

When you say it this way I realize, both sides are equally pathetic and using each other. He is paying to get fake affection, they are doling it out to get paid.

The upside of being poor, I feel fairly confident that the people in my life who love me do it unconditionally and not for what they get out of me (which ain't much). And the emotions I have for people in my life are real, not conditional. And I still get my bills paid.

Looks like I have a way more fulfilling life than any of these four.

Holly used to post on the E! board under her real name (her username is hjmbunny, I think), but made a big deal of leaving because people were so mean. They mentioned it on the DVD commentaries, too (seriously, there's one scene where the girls are present shopping, and Holly starts talking about how someone losers posted on the E! board that her hair looked really dry in that scene, and she goes into this big rant about "Jeez, excuse me for caring more about getting Kendra a birthday present than about my hair" - which is funny in itself - "don't go on the E board they're meanies!!1!"). Anyway, after she left, Izabella's tell-all was announced, and hjmbunny started posting trashing Izzy, but when posters asked how come she was back after flouncing out she claimed she was Holly's best friend who she'd let use her id. Because yeah people do that. I mean, if you're going to sockpuppet at least make a new username, God. So yeah I believe she says stuff about herself online.

Ha! As if Holly has any friends, let alone a best one.

Thanks for the info, derekevans!

When Hef was on Larry King he said the girls get "a lot" for doing GND. Since this show is the E networks top rated show I wouldn't be suprised if they each got at least 100 grand per season.

Reality shows are notorious for paying little to nothing -- that's probably why you see so many of the same people popping up on several different ones. The girls may not be getting much money, but as dutiful employees (and fame-hos) they're all going with it for the "greater good" of promoting the Playboy emprie.

We've seen and heard plenty of evidence that Hef is extremely cheap. I think Izzie said in her book that she got $1,000 a week in cash and she practically had to beg for it. Yech!

But I'm pretty sure the LV is real. Remember the ep of Sex and the City where they go to a mansion party and Samantha accuses one of Hef's girlfriends of stealing her fake Fendi bag? And then the girlfriend's bag was a real Fendi. Maybe Hef will only be generous when it comes to keeping up the girls' looks. And it would make him look bad if they wore fakes, so I don't think he'd allow that.

I loved when they said on Larry King that the show is so close to their reality. Yeah, right! I hope young girls and women aren't looking at these idiots as role models. Yech! The reality would be closer to what Izzie described in her book. The girls dressed up in various outfits and taking turns whacking off an old man. That's a real pretty picture, right?

Unfortunately, I missed the Larry King appearance. Does anyone have an idea where I might be able to find a transcript?

Here is the transcript from Larry King:

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/18/lkl.01.html

I think it's more of a mindset and personality type than just looks. I've known gorgeous women that got used by guys who never gave them anything but a hard time. I've known "less than lovely" women with three or four kids by different fathers that pull in guys that want to "save" them, so they get taken care of royally.

That said, I've mostly known beautiful, smart women that take care of themselves by hauling butt to work every day like the Plain Janes. A lot of guys want to play Prince Charming (or, as the kids say, "Captain Save-A-Ho") and a woman that can handle her own business ain't for them no matter how hot she may be.

Once I read Jill Ann's sordid little tale, I realized just how much those chicks degrade themselves to enjoy (and I use the term loosely) a "fantasy" lifestyle. No self-respecting woman would ever stoop to being part of an 81-year old man's harem...especially where lots of unprotected group sex is expected. Yuck.

That is SOOO funny! I don't know what's funnier, that Heidi actually admitted reading E! Message boards or that we are really expected to believe she would ever purposely spend more time on Kendra's birthday present than making sure her hair was perfect for Hef!!

By the standard I usually see given for "self-respecting" woman, I think it only applies to about 5% of women in the world. I.E. no self-respecting woman would change anything about herself for a man, no self-respecting woman would put up with a man cheating, no self-respecting woman would put up with (insert male bad behavior of your choice). People put up with all sorts of things. It's a matter of balancing the good with the bad and seeing which side wins, and that's very personal. There are a lot of people who will put up with infidelity (or even don't CARE about it) if they like the rest of the package deal.

My guess how this will all shake out: I think Hef will divorce Kimberly and marry Holly and I think it will be on the show. Hef is going to be concerned first and foremost with growing the Playboy empire until he keels over dead, and the GND is probably the best thing he's done to grow the empire in forty or fifty years. Outside of Los Angeles, who really remembered or thought about Playboy until this started? Plus, he's an egotist - he likes the idea of men out there envying his life and the fact that he can get a young babe at his age. If he thinks the 3 girlfriends concept has played itself out, he'll go to the next angle to keep the show hot. If there's any way for his elderly sperm to be viable, we'll be seeing Holly & Hef having a baby and then we can have the drama of Holly stalking around the mansion telling girls to put their tops back on, the way Kimberly did. But Kimberly would have never let that be televised, and Holly will! Reality gold.

Kendra will go on her merry way and hook up with a big name sports star or rapper publicly. Bridget will get a few gigs in Hollywood while she is still a name or sorts, probably E! Network or VH-1 hosting things, and within 2 years will be back with the husband, probably have a baby and/or find Jesus. Think about the latter option. It's her one way to stay in the limelight forever - find Jesus and go on the speaking circuit about how she was once the Whore of Babylon but then she found Him and she was SAVED! C'mon, can't you just see her on stage with Benny Hinn, enthusiastically stumping for Jesus? I know I can!

Was the Elle article posted already?

It's on the website now.

within 2 years [Bridget] will be back with the husband, probably have a baby and/or find Jesus. Think about the latter option. It's her one way to stay in the limelight forever - find Jesus and go on the speaking circuit about how she was once the Whore of Babylon but then she found Him and she was SAVED! C'mon, can't you just see her on stage with Benny Hinn, enthusiastically stumping for Jesus? I know I can!

Never thought of the Jesus angle but it rings true. I am in NO way trying to disrespect anyone's beliefs here. I could see Bridget conveniently turning to religion just as she is starting to fade from public view.

*somehow I have a problem getting the quote function to work for me*

Elle Magazine link.

I think there's a huge difference between dealing with your boyfriend playing poker every week even though it means him missing watching you sing or something, or leaving your job so you can move to where your husband got a new one, and being a manufactured whore for the pimp of a fantasy empire of misogyny.

So that's why Hef is always wearing that goddamn captians hat!! I never see a boat but I am sure Cap'n Hef smells the scent of the sea wafting up from under the GND's skirts.

I agree except that I think she is too old to have kids. I think that instead, she will have 100 cats that she will dress up in little costumes and then push them around the neighborhood in a baby carriage. The husband will earn extra money selling her playboy/halloween things on EBAY.

Kind of a general response to things...I think my main reason for supporting TGND centers on agency and choice.

Holly, Kendra, and Bridget are not being imprisoned in the Playboy mansion. They were not kidnapped from their lives prior to the mansion, and they didn't go into the "relationship," misogynistic as it may be, thinking that they would be Hef's one and only. They were all well aware of what Playboy was, had attended parties at the mansion, and were familiar with the lifestyle. They agreed to come live with him, and be his girlfriend. They make a choice every time they go into that rat trap of a bedroom to engage in whatever consenting adult activities they do. They signed the contracts to appear on TGND. If the mysterious and oft-denied girlfriend contracts exist, they signed those too. They were not coerced. As far as we know, they can leave whenever they want.

Hef created the Playboy image and lifestyle. The women chose to enter it. Nobody's forcing them to stay. They're all capable of making their own decisions. If they want to do the bizarre, arguably misogynistic things they do, then, as far as I'm concerned, more power to them. I don't agree with the choices that a lot of people make, but I respect their right to make them, and that applies to Holly, Bridget, and Kendra. Is it the lifestyle for me? Nope. But if they chose it, they like (or at least tolerate) it, and they want to put it on TV? I'll watch and enjoy.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




My sister-in-law has a little dog she dresses up and treats more tenderly than she ever did her three kids. It is really frightening when she calls out, "Honey, come to Mummy! Mummy wuvs Honey!" She NEVER did that with my nephew and nieces. I can see Bridget doing that with her cats and little yappy dogs, looking like Baby Jane Hudson in a pink outfit that matches their costumes.

Sort of how I would've expected Marilyn Monroe to be had she lived past 36...a scary caricature.

being a manufactured whore for the pimp of a fantasy empire of misogyny

I love your choice in words. Such a powerful combination!

Thanks, givemeakleenex.



The writer didn't really comment much about Bridget, did she? It was either "I LOVE HOLLY! SHE'S SO SMART!" or "POOR LITTLE KENDRA!"

The whole thing seemed...stilted. Did she really do this because she wanted to, or because Elle told her to? Her commentary was mostly about the first season, which was available on DVD at the time.

Also, how long did she comb her Roget's Thesaurus to find "antediluvian?" Seriously, no other, more digestible word would suffice?

$100,000??? No way! I bet they don't make more than 25 thou each per season. Remember that reality shows pay dink and E network can't afford to pay squat. Cheapo Hef would probably make them do it for free since it's such a great promo for Playboy - and the girls are his slaves anyway (yeah, voluntary slaves but they've still slaves).

I would not be surprised in the least if it were all counterfeight goods that she bought at a flea market or from a street vendor.

I wonder if Hef remained married to thwart the plans of future Holly's?

No way. Probably one of the websites that promises fake serial numbers, boxes and dust covers with your purchase.

I heard that each of the celebs on Celebrity Fit Club gets $80,000 (for appearing on the show) and Adrianne Curry from My Fair Brady gets $200,000 for each season of that show. I would be surprised if these girls are only getting 25 thousand.

Mandy, the quote feature has changed a little from before.....you have to highlight the entire text you want to quote, then click on the quote icon....you'll get it soon, if I can, anyone can!

Love all the observations about the GND's futures'.....I tend to agree with those of you who think that if Hef does marry Holly, it will be solely for the promotion of the show and to further the PB empire. At this point, I really don't think Holly even cares about Hef's motivations, she just wants to get married and/or have babies!! Give her a break, ;) she is just investing in her future just like Kendra is with the condo.

I tend to think Hollys LV is real. Playboy has become lame and dated in the past, but there are still people DYING to get in .(Hello, Jill Ann!) I think I read in Izabella's book that Hef gets A LOT of stuff sent to him. I would bet when LV was really popular there for awhile in early 2000 he was gifted with the LV and Holly as numero uno eventually was given it. Or she could have spent her allowance on it. Holly strikes me as the real no fakes here kind of girl, as she fancies herself the lady of the manse. I belong to an authentics only purse forum where they are soooo good at finding fakes on tv, and there has been no mention I have seen of fakes on the show. But I haven't checked their GND thread recently, so I could be mistaken.

I think that Playboy can give more than $25,000 salaries for them just b/c of the Playboy "brand." Granted, it does not have the same "prestige" (gag) as it may have in the past, but this show has helped a lot. I work in entertainment/events and any event or venue that wants to be associated w/Playboy is paying quite the penny to be slapping those bunny logos on things.

In Jill Ann's "book" (and I use that word generously), she mentioned how the Playboy attorneys told her she couldn't put the Playboy logo on her pictures and business cards - um, duh. But it's about more that copyright laws they care about and people using a corporate logo that they haven't paid for - it's all about carefully crafting and protecting the brand, and being able to control who and what is associated with the Playboy image.

I think this is a bit more than just a reality show for Playboy - it's really breathing life back into the Playboy brand, unlike a Celebrity Fit Club or I Married a Brady, or whatever that one was. Those were just shows on a network's lineup and more 15 minute exposure for the later in the alphabet "Celebrity" list. But as annoying, f*ed up, and delusional as the GND are, they are really generating a whole new audience and a more "fan friendly" perception of the Playboy empire. (For those who have not read tell-all books and believe it's all doggie birthday parties and costume parties!)

Like it or not, that Playboy bunny is one of the most recognizable brands in the world - the girls are reinvigorating (ew!) the brand in a way no one even really anticipated. Thanks to them (or more accurately, the show's AWESOME editors and producers who are really the ones who make it so funny the way they subtly - or not so subtly - mock the girls with their clever little graphics or stupid antics), the cost of associating with the Playboy brand has probably gone up.

The Playboy party during Super Bowl week was once again, much, much harder to get a ticket to than the actual game. Although the Maxim party is still an even hotter ticket.

I bet as the girls became more of "celebrities" (again, ugh), their salaries jumped from season 1 to now. Not they are exactly raking it in per episode like the cast of Friends, but I bet this reality show has been quite lucrative for them.

I agree with this. However, I do find it interesting to ponder the cultural impact of PLAYBOY and the GND being so great that Mothers bring their young girls to GND calendar signings. What does the show say to young women in the 21st c? That a slim yet artifically buxom body is the key to acceptance and success? That it is a good thing to screw a man old enough to be your grandfather if he has the wealth to buy you expensive trinkets? Bridget has an "education" supposedly, but she has precious little self-awareness as depicted in the show at any rate. I do think that Holly legitmately seems to have regard for Hef, but if one reads the "tell alls" her private life with him does read as sordid if not downright degrading. Kendra prepetuates the "Damsel in distress" paradigm: Hef "saved" her, the implication being, that she wasn't strong enough to save herself.

It also struck me that Hef, on Larry King, was so dismissive of Joe Francis (Mr Girls gone Wild) suggesting that PB was a creature apart from Francis sophomoric titty show. But is PB so different?

I bet they are in the ballpark of $100,000 a season now. First, if you think of it $100,000 in TV terms is not much money at all. Second its about the going rate for one of these smaller cable channel reality shows. And if the $200,000 for Chris and Adri is right it'd be half of an actual known star.

I do suspect however that they might get less because the show really hinges on all 3 of them. So like maybe they get $75,000 each per season.

Hef seems to have this mentality about any other "men's magazine." He seems to think that because PB includes the occasional article or political cartoon, that the magazine is better than anything out there. (Yes, I realize that GGW isn't a magazine, but it might as well be - it's all for the same purpose). Maybe it's because PB was the first widely published nude magazine, he thinks it's so much classier than anything else. But if you ask me, jerking off is still jerking off - there's nothing really classy about it; I don't care how well you light up the girl's vagina.

Ha! or airbrush the less than pretty bits!

I think I'm with Hef on this one. GGW is known for taking advantage of women who are pretty obviously heavily intoxicated a vast majority of the time and exploiting them for all they're worth. Those girls probably don't really have the capacity to be signing contracts, but they do it anyway, and I highly doubt that many of them would have made the same decision stone-cold sober. From what I've heard from friends of mine who ran into them on spring break a few years back, there's also an element of coercion going on. At least the women who pose for PB know what they're getting into, for the most part, and make that decision under much better circumstances. I'm fine looking at the women in PB because it was a rational choice they made and they have to live with; I wouldn't buy GGW because I'd look at those women and feel sorry for them and the exploitative aspect of it.

And I do agree that there is a definite quality difference between the two--not necessarily about how the lighting and sets are for PB, either. GGW often shows very drunk girls engaging in graphic sex acts with multiple partners--it's not just "Hey, flash us" anymore. (Disclaimer: I dated a guy in a fraternity for a very long time. You can't spend a good amount of time at a fraternity house without eventually running into GGW at some point or another.) PB, as far as I know, only shows naked women--not nearly as graphic. I've never seen any of the PB videos, so I can't speak to those. But there is definitely a difference in degree between the two--not quite hardcore v. softcore, but close.



Oh, definitely. I think that, for adults that can see beyond the fakery, the show is fine. I do, however, have a big problem with impressionable kids seeing TGND as the standard for beauty and healthy relationships. That creeps me out, too.

I have to agree. Playboy goes through a highly selective vetting process to choose their models--the models aren't drunk and their poses aren't demeaning. From all I've heard, the whole session is respectful and the model is in control at all times. And I think some of the photographs are quite beautiful--I wouldn't call them art, because I think the point of art (to ask questions, to inspire) is different from the point of pornography (to, well...)--and ultimately I think that's PB's intent, to turn a guy on (which is why they use so many of the same type of model over and over). But I still think they're beautiful. And PB has more than the occasional article--its content is regarded pretty highly. I was a writer in college and PB is THE place to get your short fiction published. That is a huge coup. And they've had some great articles and interviews over the years--wasn't President Carter's "I've had lust in my heart" interview with them?

I'm no apologist for HH but IMO PB isn't remotely comparable to GGW.

Porn is porn and Playboy is porn. I love that Hef distances himself from other pornographers like Joe Francis and Larry Flynt. They're ALL the same and it's all about the exploitation of women (whether the women involved agree to it or not). Hef has always tried to pass himself, his lifestyle, the magazine and the Playboy empire as above being called porn because it's so classy. Yeah, right!

There are OK articles in the magazine, but the intention is still for horny college boys to whack off to. If women want to add to the readership for the articles, I'm sure Hef doesn't mind but they're certainly not the intended audience.

I'm still wondering how much they make per ep. They should be making a $100,000 per ep, but I have a hard time believing that -- knowing how cheap Hef is and E Network is. The other shows mentioned (paying larger sums) I think are either on other networks or syndicated, so it could be different.

True, and part of being a feminist is respecting other women's choices. However, since women are not operating on a level playing field- men still create and promote the image of women as sex objects (objects being the operative word)- they are not making this choice from an informed or equal position. Bridget, Holly and Kendra are still being exploited, whether they chose said exploitation or not.


Aww, thanks Mandy! I talk the same way in person, but it seems to work better in print:).

I wonder if there will be a S4. Maybe they could negotiate more $'s.

I thought I heard Kendra wanted to bolt. But if she can make good money basically doing nothing, I guess that's good enough motivation for her to stick around for a while. And we know Holly and Bridget will have to be dragged out of there kicking and screaming. They're there for life -- they're both destined to be old lady Baby Jane Playmates.

GGW definitely does take advantage of drunk women, but Hef feels this way about ALL men's magazines. And I just think all of those photos end up as a part of a spank bank; I don't care if they come from Hustler, Juggs, Playboy, or Naked Fat Old Ladies Weekly.

Man, I hope not. The first two seasons seemed a bit more spontaneous to me, like we were really peering into their daily lives. Now, every episode has some lame theme. Let's go horseback riding! Let's go skiing! I find myself skipping episodes now, whereas I would not have done that in the first two seasons, which are downright addictive.

Not sure how to do the quote thing but I'm quoting WildWoman here:

"Sort of how I would've expected Marilyn Monroe to be had she lived past 36...a scary caricature."

I saw HH on a show about Marilyn saying he owns the grave drawer next to hers and will be buried next to her because she's so important to him. I totally don't get that.. they were never married or even romantically involved as far as I can tell. I wonder if he'd be so hot to be buried with her if she'd died in her 40s 50s, 60s, or older?

I do find it interesting that he seems to be caught on cam chatting with Mary on GND more than we see him ever conversing with the blonde trio combined.

Did you hear that the girls were supposed to appear on "General Hospital", actually the episode today to flirt with Patrick Drake to make Robin Scorpio jealous.

Something went down and it didn't happen and 3 hideous looking bimbos replaced them and the scene didn'tfeel the same. You could tell it was written for them because there were references to the San Diego Chargers and Thursday night is PARTY NIGHT!

I would have loved to have seen them on the show!

I think part of MM's importance to him was her pic in the inaugural issue of Playboy. Helped it sell a gazillion copies. I wonder if he even saw her in person more than once (if that; don't know if they ever actually met)...I've never heard anything about any relationship, platonic or otherwise, they might have had. Perhaps she's more of a "symbol" to him than what was once a living, breathing woman.

I doubt MM would have had the same significance to him had she lived past 36. I read something interesting in Vikki La Motta's autobiography "Knockout." She posed for Playboy's November 1981 issue when she was 51 years old - and looked better than none other than Shannon Tweed, who was Playmate of the Month. She wrote that when she and Jake La Motta, her ex-husband, met Hef at the Mansion, he was totally noncommital about meeting her and thrilled to meet Jake. He really is an ageist where women are concerned. Everyone that ever met Ms. La Motta raves about what an absolutely beautiful woman she was til the day she died in February 2005 at the age of 75. But since she was past 30 when she met Hef, she ceased to exist as a woman. That just boggles my mind.

Personally, I think that Joe Francis is a disgusting sleaze bag that exploits very young impaired women, and yes, Playboy is "classier" than GGW in that the poses are more "artistic" and the women posing are presumably not drunk, but I also agree with scooby that in the end both GGW and PB are using provocative images of women so that men can masturbate while viewing. Further, I believe that both GGW and PB perpetuate an image of women that most females simply cannot live up to, not to mention a lack of diversity. Holly, Kendra, Bridget, Sara Underwood are cookie cutter blondes that become interchangable in the narrow Playboy universe where only the secretaries grow old. It is true that PB occasionally features a pictorial with an "older" woman, but these women are usually celebs who have had massive surgery in an attempt to hold on to their youth...not to mention the photos being airbrushed up the wazoo.

While the pictures in PB may definitely be considered pornography, I think it's fair to say that the magazine as a whole is not entirely pornographic. I just navigated to playboy.com, and at least half the homepage is devoted to a feature on Alex Haley. So while I equate the porn aspect of GGW, for example, to the porn aspect of PB, PB, to me, has far more interesting features above and beyond just that. GGW has nothing besides drunk girls in wet t-shirts.

Anyway, TGND are all over the PB website, as well, which I didn't expect. Interesting.

I'll admit to wanting part of the fantasy. I'd love to be taken care of and be eye candy and go to parties in the hot dresses. HOWEVER, I would NOT love to have to put up with Hef's old ass groping me, (gawd, getting nauseous thinking about it), being catty and competitive with 2 other women, having a freakin curfew, and having to ask permission for every little thing. Nah, I'll pass.

Joe Francis is a worthless piece of shit who is number one on my top 3 enemies list. However, to the best of my knowledge, he doesn't try to pretend that GGW is about women's empowerment or sexual freedom. He acknowledges it as porn, and only refers to the girls/women who pose as being hot pieces of ass. So he gets some credit for honesty. And no matter how much HH tries to tout Playboy as some artistic, liberal magazine, it's porn. Both Hefner and Francis share the exact same view of women- sex objects and arm candy not worthy of respect as people or intellectual companions, or worth anything outside the bedroom. The women themselves are different (drunk sorority girls vs sober slightly older girls) but the attitude is the same. So, HH can try to pretty it up alll he likes, but he does nothing positive for women (or for men, for that matter) and is an older, slightly less sleazy version of Joe Francis.

I can't believe I just sort of defended Joe Francis.

PS Being slightly less sleazy than JF is like being slightly nicer than Hilter, or slightly more cultured than Cletus the slack-jawed yokel- not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Now we know where Bridgett will be posing next.

Although I agree with much of what you wrote, I disagree that HH doesn't respect women as people or intellectual companions. Afterall, HH has entrusted his company to his daughter, and HH keeps on Mary as well as the other lady whose name I can't remember, as his trusted right hand assistants/secretary etc. despite them being well into retirement age. Mary, in particular, seems to have a warm relationship with Hef, and he treats her as a trusted confidant.

The real distinction is, I think, that Hefner clearly does not think of these (older) women as sexual beings In his world only young women are worthy of sexual intimacy and allure; older women may be trusted employees, but they are not fuckable, (apparently, in the world of PLAYBOY Hef and the rest of his ancient cronies remain as attractive, and sexually desirable as in their youth. Proof of that belief is that he felt perfectly comfortable in asking 18 year old Kendra to become a "girlfriend.")

Okay I'm laid up with the flu and bored to death so here's my scatterbrained medicine-hazed feelings on PB:

I read some posts about feminism also including respecting the choices of other women, and that this lifestyle is a choice for the women. It bugs me to accept it though. I think there is really something wrong with this society, the downward spiral we've taken that anyone would think this was ok.. first, women were exploited, we fought for rights, we de-crowned Vanessa Williams.. we were liberated and empowered!

No more just being a piece of ass because a girl has no choice.

Now, instead of being some guys property with a hole, now it is socially acceptable that I can CHOOSE to be a guys Propertay with a Hole (for the right price) and unlikes times past, people will say "good for her, getting that money, wish I could do that!"

I can show the world my cootch and my mom won't cry and go to Mass to light candles for my wayward ass, she will proudly drive the SUV I pay for with showing my fine ass.

I'm almost 30.. 12 years ago when I was in high school girls weren't into all this kissing each other just to put on a show for guys.. I'm back in college right now and I'm amazed at the way young girls dress and act. And when there's 4 girls in the row in front of me with their thongs and tramp stamps showing.. if *I* want the attention of the guy sitting next to me, well I'm going to have to show more skin than that and maybe kiss a girl just for him.

Simply being a pretty girl in worn jeans and a snug t-shirt doesn't cut it anymore with the girls, one has to perform with girls, show the body, look as if indeed she will have sex.

No jealousy here, if I do say so myself I still look pretty good and its definitely a blast to get male attention but its so sad and desperate in a lot of girls I see. They are so obviously dressing up in a character role. Weird thing is when I get the most male attention is when I'm in holey levis and birks.

So many young girls try to look like strippers, and at 8 in the morning they come traipsing down the parking lot hill in stiletto heels and full makeup and year round full body tan.. in Pittsburgh during winter no less.

I know a guy from Lebanon who said a horrible thing to me that I had no choice but to see a tiny bit of truth in: "they don't let our women be free in Lebanon because American women got freedom and look at what they do with it, having casual sex and casual babies. Pornography and strippers are accepted as legitimate careers." He said women think with their hearts not their heads. I think he's an asshole too but to some Arab guy sitting in Lebanon watching Bridgette doing interviews on CNN in her bunny costume, I can kind of see where they'd get that idea.

I think HHs daughter being in charge means nothing.. she's his daughter. And bonus: its like Howard Stern having Robin.. then HS can pick on black people. A chick running playboy means it can't be misogynistic, right?

I've *never* gotten why celebs and athletes will pose nude for PB, when they've already made it.. a golf pro I knew posed for Playboy and her reasoning was "to show that she can be a golfer but still a feminine woman." Huh? Why not just rock the polo shirt and plaid skirt and have some integrity? What does showing the T&A have to do with anything self-actualizing or professional? It is as bizarre as say, bunch of female doctors feeling like they just really aren't complete til they show the world their bushes.

I know its all tied in with this whole baby daddy generation, & how my 7th grade class was the first to get sex-ed yet there were maybe 3 pregnant girls all throughout my 4 yrs of high school, now the same school has a full daycare on site, and my pretty little brainiac sister exclaimed to me "I can't believe I didn't get pregnant in high school, almost all my friends have babies!" Yeesh. And the daddies are free from child support and shotgun weddings.

Somehow men made out SO much better by 'giving' us the right to vote and terminate pregnancy.. now they have sex objects who get hair extensions, fake boobs, and who read Cosmo for tips on giving a better BJ. Cosmo is just as frickin man-serving as PB in my opinion, tweaking and perfecting our desperation.

Okay I think I'm done. Need more thera flu!

Edited b/c I can't spelllll.

Gojuu, I see where you're coming from, but I still thinkn the evidence suggests that HH sees women only as sex objects. I have never heard him say anything that refers to a woman as intelligent (other than stating that his daughter runs the company). He never even seems to talk about his girlfriends as more than fun pieces of ass, same for all of the Playmates and potential Playmates. Hell, even the term Playmate is loaded with sexism and indicated that he views women as playthings, not true equals or companions. He doesn't seem to have any female friends, or even talk to women other than employees without having some sort of sex/party vibe there.
Not exactly signs of a man who views women as equals.

Even though he still has Mary on staff, and she's obviously competant, she's not in a position to challenge him intellectually on any real level- she is his secretary, and simply seems to do what he says and follow his crazy old-man whims. Not that Mary is unintelligent or anything, it's just that her position doesn't seem to entail more than organizing and managing things. Also, keeping her around probably satifies some of his OCD fear of change.

As for Christie, that's more complicated. The fact that she's his daughter probably has a lot to do with her being in charge- if his oldest son hadn't completely shunned him, I doubt Christie would be CEO, even though she seems to do a great job. Luckily for her, his younger sons won't be old enough to take over until after he dies, so she can keep her job.

I would really love to talk to his oldest son, because I bet he has really interesting insight.

When and why did Hef's oldest shun him? I must have missed that part of his THS completely.