Well, there's "only" a 26 year age difference between Larry and his wife (I know, hard to believe seeing that he looks like Methuselah). And the Hef/Kendra difference is SIXTY years.

I think it is hard for most people to grasp why on earth the girls are willing to do this. Especially when Hef threw in the word "allowance" .. blech. And the monagomy thing is a little creepy - he can sleep with more than one (and who knows if he's even faithful to them), they can't.

I guess they all have their weird reasons - maybe they are a good match. Holly is hellbent on marrying the guy (I feel sorry for her - it clearly seems like he won't make anything legal for money/control of Playboy reasons).
Kendra is using it for all it's worth to get somewhere she normally never would have gotten as a high school graduate/dental hygenist. But Bridget - that's the whacky one to me. She seems perfectly happy to be playing the deranged bunny - all locked up in her pink bedroom as we watch her age and turn into Baby Jane.

I know, I know, Hef actually treats them in a grandfatherly fashion, a grandfather with "benefits" that is (ewwww, I know!) However, it is their choice, and all of them seem to feel grateful, who knows how they will feel in their dotage, but for now, they seem to be jumping on the opportunities coming their way.

You made me chuckle when you say that L King looks like Methuselah, Ha! I think that I would rather fuck ol Hef than Larry any day.

"Grandfather with benefits" !! HA Now that's a phrase you should NEVER ever hear (for very good reasons!). :)

They just said on Larry King that the girls are going to Alaska for a few days to visit Holly's old home town. I guess this is a way to kind of address the issue of the total lack of any Holly family/past so far without actually showing Holly's family. Larry then asked Holly about her parents' opinion of the situation and she just kind of glossed over it saying they are happy if she's happy and don't really have many expectations for her anyway since she's only in her 20s.

I netfixed the first season of GND, and I am kinda thinking about ponying up the $25 for the second season. Anyone own it? Should I be embaressed that I really want to see all the episodes I missed? Is the DVD worh knowing that I am helping to pay for Hef's lifestyle (snerk)?

I don't know if that's true with anyone but Holly IIRC. Didn't Kendra say on Loveline that she tried it once and it hurt too much? I remember reading that here.

Yeah, Bridget really was looking very obviously older on Larry King -- and sitting next to Kendra (who looked so young and cute) didn't help. Her hair looked nice but her face is seriously starting to show the signs of age.

Tip for Bridget: Always stay next to Hef in photos. That will always make you look younger. And go get some more surgery! Now! Get botox and restalyne and get an eye job and a facelift and a brow lift and whatever else you have to do. I hear Jaclyn Smith regularly does deep, deep chemical peels (that basically burns all the skin off your face but eventually leaves brand new baby skin). You've got to start doing those immediately.

Hef pretty much confirmed what we've all been saying -- that he's never gonna marry Holly but he wants to be with her for the rest of his life. Which would be 5-10 years, tops? Holly's a good employee/girlfriend and Hef knows that. So as long as she's willing to sleep with and whack off an old man, he'll keep her around. But does Ms. Gold-digger Holly think she's gonna get tons of dough from the will? Ha! Doubt it!

I liked that Larry asked Bridget if she wants to get married and have kids. At her age (whatever that is -- 40? 50? 60?), time's running out fast. If anything, Bridget pretty much confirmed she hasn't much interest in having a husband and kids and she'll be quite happy (thank you) living in her pink bedroom, fussing over the pets and dressing in costumes until she really does morph into Baby Jane -- which will be in only a few years anyway.

So what was her response to this? I really don't think she has that much time left in the baby making department because she honestly looks like she's in her 40's.

from the transcript - ha ha!

KING: Is fidelity important to you, Kendra?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What does fidelity mean?

HEFNER: It means faithful.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, yes. I'm sorry!

here's the whole transcript: http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/18/lkl.01.html

The part at the very end where Hef says it doesn't get any better than this, Holly had the BIGGEST gritted teeth, annoyed look on her face...awesome.

I totally agree with posters who said Kendra looks so much better with her latest shade of blonde and not the hideous white tone that she had before -- like the one Holly has. Her hair color now is closer to Bridget's. And I always liked Bridget's hair (although it probably takes 10 stylists to get it to look that way 'cause she's got the same hideous hair naturally as her poor plain-Jane sister/daughter Anastasia). Her face -- well, she does look pretty good for a 60 year old woman, doesn't she?

Did anyone else notice Holly's black stripe of roots showing? The upkeep on that white hair (especially for Holly's obviously natural jet black hair) must be staggering. You must have to do the roots practically every few days to fight the roots from taking over.

What did the Elle article say that Kendra said she was hurt by?

Did anyone believe that Kendra didn't know paps were all around taking pics of her in Miami?

The Elle article didn't really trash Kendra, but it just said her bad a$$, kick a$$ image on the show is a front and that she is really insecure and like a wounded bird and the author was really worried about her and what she would do when her life in the playboy mansion is over. and said that bridget and holly would be fine. which i totally disagree. even on larry king, it is clear kendra views this as fun thing to do in her early 20's, and get the opportunities that will come from it and financial gain, but she'll be fine. holly's delusional, and Bridget's going to be living in a pink padded cell talking to her dolls...

I saw them on Larry King last night, but to be honest, I really didn't care enough to watch it (actually, I thought it was an interview with that jerk, Bill Maher).

Did Larry duck in time to avoid getting hit by her nose?

OK, late (very late) 20s. And why wouldn't they have expectations because of her age? It's during your 20s that you start shaping the rest of your life, so by your 30s you are well on your way. And God knows parents expectations start at conception.

Probably her parents don't have many expectations for her because they know she's a deranged looser, at any age.

One thing that bothers me insane, not only from the GND but from people in general is that all "I'm so young I don't have to worry about this" attitute...when they are well past their 25th birthday. Sorry to break it to you hon, but you are not so young anymore!

As much as I love my GND DVDs, I really tired of them dodging the questions they know everyone is asking. Let's be real, Hef's relationship with them and their relationship with each other is "unusual" and unconventional. They know it, they admit as much, but when people want details, they skirt around the question entirely. Everything is so positive, and everyone is so happy, and you know what? I just don't buy it. I'd respect their "lifestyle" so much more if they were just honest. We know Kendra is NOT one of your best friends, Holly. We see how you react to her, we saw you hand her that ugly ass dress for your Marie Antoinette party, we see how you can barely stand to be in her presence without have a seething look or making a really rude comment in the confessionals. We see how Bridget is your lapdog, and that alone explains why you two have such a "cordial" relationship. We know that you practically modified your entire life and interests in order to seem right for your "Puffin", right down to changing your nose so he'd bump you up a few notches.



LOL

I totally agree with this. Sadly I've been sucked into caring about this show but I really wish they'd provide a more accurate portrayal of the situation. I can't think of any group of real people that live every day with absolutely zero amounts of conflict. For some reason we're expected to believe it's "happy fun time" every hour of every day for these girls. Unfortunately I doubt E! is going to change the format of the show away from this depiction.

Kendra occasionally slips out some truth. She said on Larry King that when she complains about things her family tells her to suck it up, that she's in the best situation. That's probably where the Elle writer got the idea that she was vulnerable: Kendra isn't so over-lacquered that she can lie as easily. Bridget and Holly can put up the front a little better, and Hef the best, but Kendra can't, and the Elle writer picked up on that.

I realize that Kendra's mom & grandma are supportive but the Larry King interview made me think that they are too much so. To say to her that she is in the best situation possible and that (living at the Mansion) is perfect for her is kind of selling her short. Sure, living there will give her the most money and fame but I truly believe that the mansion lifestyle does not promote character development. They are implying that this is the best way to make something of herself but is it really?

What I'm really curious about is what kind of situation Kendra was in before to make her mother and grandmother say that this is the best place for her. I don't buy that dental assistant crap for one minute. You could kind of tell that when Kendra said that, there was a weird look in her face.

I think it probably involves a pole like earlier speculated.

The timeline with Kendra moving in must have happened VERY quickly. She said she was 18 and just out of high school when her photos were sent to PB. I also think dental assistant training takes at least six months so I'm not quite sure when she would have had time to graduate high school (she doesn't really seem like the type that would have gotten her GED early), attend dental assistant training, and also work as a dental assistant. Wasn't she also taking classes in massage therapy for a while too?

Kendra said once that she was a teen runaway and messed up on drugs when she was younger. I think maybe she dropped out and either didn't graduate or went back to gain her GED later. I notice she bent the truth a bit in that interview, like saying she had not really modeled before and that Hef invited her to be a painted girl after seeing a photo of her (Hef actually contradicts her right after - the photo where he first saw was for her painted girl job). Kendra had done quite a bit of nude/bikini modeling before, plus stuff like boat shows and bikini contests, and according to the tell-alls set her sights on being a girlfriend. Bridget actually was asked this once but didn't say anything except that Kendra didn't start massage classes until after moving into the mansion. Don't know where the dental assistant things works into it. I do think as the show has grown, they are developing PR friendly personas and backstories (although some things, like the "we went on one date and the next day Hef asked me to move in" BS he uses for practically every GF).

ETA - Kendra's post about her life, if anyone's curious.

I guess when she says dental assistant she means some kind of untrained position, like she was doing filing or cleaning (rooms, not teeth) for a dentist.

I just watched Larry King Live. Kendra looks great. And Bridgette looks bad - there is no way she is in her early thirties.

Just watched Larry King. A few things strike me.

Bridget actually seemed really likeable here to me. Also, she's looking quite chubby ... her arms and stomach. Or maybe it was just the dress. This girl knows exactly what to say.

Gah. Kendra is so stupid. As someone said previously, she just has no ability to carry on an intelligent conversation. Perhaps chalk it up to her youth, but I doubt she'll change much even with age.

W(hy)TF was Holly wearing pigtails - again? It's too weird. I have no idea how the hell she is going to function when Hef dumps her, or drops dead. Can you imagine this crazy bitch dating? What in the hell would she talk about with a guy her own age? Marilyn Monroe? Jean Harlow? I think not. She is continuing to look more and more pissed every time I see her. She just seems tremendously unhappy to me.



Actually, in CA there are some trade programs where h.s. students can learn dental assisting, etc. and presumably get jobs right out of high school. But who knows if she actually did that. Did she even finish high school?

I saw the interview last night and this is what I'd wish we saw more of on GND. When theyre not all over the place, going to parties, throwing parties, pretending to be friends with the other girls, playing dress up, dressing up their pets, eating all the time, visiting with family etc.

I prefer to watch them quiet like that, that way, they have no distractions but themselves- so then they can look over at the other one and say hey what the hell you're doing here- I dont really like you and Im not happy with this living situation.

Watching them, reminded me of the HBO show BIG Love- 3 wives vying for their hubby's affection and time and how despite their spiritual beliefs- they struggle to have normalcy. Deep down just want their husband to themselves.

I think that is exactly what she meant. There are always dental assistant jobs listed in our local paper. You don't need any degree to do that type of work. You are assisting the dentist not cleaning teeth or doing any kind of dental work on your own.

At first I cringed when I read her mother and grandmother told her to suck it up. I'm not even sure I know how to put into words how that makes me feel. She's living with an 80+ year old man with two other "girlfriends" and when she complains she has to "suck it up" Ick. That makes me sad. No matter what direction she was headed before she became a girlfriend.

I don't know how many of y'all have the first season DVDs, but in the deleted scenes, Kendra was shown desperately trying to figure out if Hef would let her go to the ESPY awards. It was painful seeing her try to get permission for something the average person might do on a whim.

At first I cringed when I read her mother and grandmother told her to suck it up. I'm not even sure I know how to put into words how that makes me feel. She's living with an 80+ year old man with two other "girlfriends" and when she complains she has to "suck it up" Ick. That makes me sad. No matter what direction she was headed before she became a girlfriend.

thriftyprincess -- You said it much better than I could. I couldn't get the words right but it made me sad too.

Kendra does NOT live in an ideal situation (in my opinion.) Putting the morality of it aside, being 1 of 3 girlfriends is hard on your self esteem. You are in constant competition with the other girls who can't *really* be your true friend if they are protecting their own interests. Yes. There are trips, parties, clothes, media exposure, all of that but I bet that you don't ever feel content and relaxed that someone loves you for you. There must be constant unease. Even though you are "home" you can't relax.

I have felt that Kendra's excessive sleeping is a sign of shutting down & depression. I guess Holly's increasing hostility could come from this dynamic too. Interestingly enough, Bridget seems the least affected.

Sooo....although Mom & Grandma are telling you to "suck it up", maybe you shouldn't. Your gut might be telling you something.

I was hoping for new dish from the Larry King bit last night. Alas, no such luck.

I will absolutely agree with the upthread poster who remarked on how they pretty much agreed that the dynamic of the relationship was awkward and non-conventional but the reply was brief and they moved on from there. Of course, they'll have to say everything is great on CNN; an expectation of fireworks from Larry's softball questions was unlikely. Even when he asked about their bedroom arrangement he didn't follow-up with the obvious part about the SEX and how that goes down. Yeah, they have separate bedrooms....yawn. I was, however, surprised that he asked all of them how they felt about Hef's demise and if they even thought about it at all. Anyway, I'd put 20 bucks on that their responses would be vastly different if any of us were in the 'inner circle' or good friends with any of the girls. There are certainly more drawbacks to their unique arrangement then we were led to believe but Bridget pointedly said that they surely have far more opportunities as a direct result of their relationship with Hef and the production of TGND. Which, obviously, is true. Any speculation on their salary/contract for TGND? Think they're all generating equal income? Does one have a better agent than the next therefore securing a more lucrative bid?

Random question for anybody who may know....they mentioned they're going to Alaska for a Holly-centered episode. Anybody know if that will squeak into the current seasons episodes or perhaps in season 4? Since Hef remarked that S3 is only half-way through, it made me wonder....

Poor Kendra not knowing what fidelity meant...but at least she looked great last night. The softer blonde is so much better. I love the cut and how it is styled. I noticed that when she was fidgeting and playing with her hair it was falling really well. Perhaps an odd observation but I think that's a sign of a good cut and stylist.

Another random note--all the girls wear really cute dresses. Of the photos I've seen for events, etc. they always show them in super-cute print numbers. I can't recall any being too short or low-cut or whore-ish looking in any way.

No way Kendra ever was a dental assistant in the way we are thinking of it. My dental hygienist cleans my teeth at my dental office which I do believe requires some kind of prior educational training.

To be a dentist, you have to go to dental school. To be a dental hygienist, you have to go to dental hygiene school. My mother was a "medical assistant" in a doctor's office for many years with absolutely zero post-high school training. She did things like put patients in rooms, take their heights and weights and histories, and prep rooms after they'd been used. I'm guessing a "dental assistant" is something similar--direct traffic, do files, clip the little bib on people, give you the free toothbrush before you leave, and so on.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I would enjoy having Kendra at my next dentist's visit. It'd be worth it only to see her try to shake her ass in one of those teeny mirrors on a stick the dentist sticks in your mouth to check things out in the back. Hee.

When I was in college (a billion years ago), one of my roommates was majoring in dental hygiene. I think she got a BS in it.

I'm currently a dental student. A dental hygienist (the person that cleans your teeth) and dental assistant (person who assists the dentist, helps with logistics of running the office, greets patients,etc) are two different positions. The level of schooling and licensing for each differs by state but at the very LEAST, a hygienist goes for 2 years past high school.

I don't know what the rules are for California, but it is possible that Kendra once assisted in the office with minimal (or no) additional schooling past high school.

I'm a dentist, so I feel compelled to answer this, as mundane as it may be.

A dental hygienist has at least 2 yrs of community college training, or a BS. They are very trained to do their job.

A dental assistant either goes to dental assisting school (6 mo-yr) or just gets a job at a dentist's office, shuffling patients between rooms and cleaning, learning on the job.

She may have gotten a job at a random dentist's office who agreed to train her to do menial labor. Who knows. I doubt she 100% made this stuff up. Dental assisting is a great job for people who choose not to go to college. It pays pretty well for having no education.

I didn't see Bridget on LKL, but in general, I think she could easily be in her early thirties. I've known 20 year olds who look 35, and vice versa. Heredity, skin type, diet, sun exposure, stress, and other factors have a big impact on how people age.

You can go to any high-school reunion, and see people who look much older than some people their age. I don't know if Bridget is lying about her age. She could very well be. But I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that she's telling the truth. I've seen 35 year olds who have deep crow's feet, deeply lined foreheads, and look a good deal older than Bridget.

I know around here many high schools have Vo-Tech training for things like cosmetology, welding, and dental and medical assisting. Maybe Kendra did something like that?

Kendra said she got the job "immediately" after she got off drugs and decided to make a life for herself. It really doesn't sound like it was a planned thing at all. With that plus how young she was, I'm sure it was just a little unqualified afterschool/Saturday job (at least at first).

Not having seen Larry King Live, I did read the transcript and something struck me, forgive me if it has already been mentioned here, as I did read many pages back but didn't see it. In the interview, isn't Hef like 81 or something? And Kendra said she was offered the opportunity to be a painted girl at his 70th birthday party? Eleven years. Ok then she says that was when she was 18, and now claims to be just 23? Either girl can't add, or *my* math is way off. Anyone care to shed some light on this for me?!

She is a cute, little thing. I'm sure the Dentist loved having her in his office regardless of her lack of qualifications and experience.

I went to a regular highschool (not vocation or anything like that). As a senior if we were only working on a few credits to graduate, we could get part time jobs and just go to school in the mornings. I had a friend that was a dental assistant in the afternoons. She did pretty much what was described above - filing records, putting patients in the room, etc. I picture Kendra doing something like that.

His 78th birthday party. Whoever wrote up the transcript misheard or made a typo. She's been a GF just over three years. She's 21, btw, not 23.

Unless Bridget's mother is really her sister, I believe that she is in her early 30's. Although, has anyone caught the fact that Anna Nicole Smith's mother Virgie is 55, making her 15 when she got pregnant with ANS?

Word to the comments above regarding Heredity, diet, etc. I am one of the unfortunates that due to heredity, health issues, etc. starting looking older fairly early on. In fact, when I was 33, and my partner was 31, I was asked if I were his mother (and yes, I was traumatised, LOL.) Bridget's mother looks great, so I don't know why Brig is looking so "tired."



and yet, only Kendra seems to have realistic plans for the future: she has bought the condo, and has repeatedly said that she wishes to marry and have children, these are healthy and realistic goals as compared to Holly (her plans are: have Hef impregnant her, and try not to think how long he'll live and what will she do if he gets a terminal long term illness and needs special care.) Bridget's plans are especially vague, I guess she is getting her own radio show, I'll be interested to see how that plays out.

Kind of ironic that the ELLE reporter felt frightened for Kendra's future and not the other 2, but the reporter has a 17 year old daughter and Kendra is just a few years older, so maybe Ms Reporter was doing some motherly projecting?

I think she must take happy pills or something that put her in la la land. She jusr lives in a world with pink clouds and rainbows!

With all the talk a few pages back about Kendra having a great future and being such a go-getter, I was beginning to think I was watching a different show or losing my mind or something. These comments make me feel like I'm not alone. Perhaps being a "girlfriend" is better than living on the streets as a junkie, but I just don't see a future for Kendra. To me, her family's attitude is more like enabling than support. I think Kendra seems depressed and so directionless, and being at the mansion can't be helping her. Of course the show is going to show her in the best light, as the wacky, irresponsible GF, but I see some real troubling signs there. I'm not surprised the Elle interviewer after talking to her at length did too.

The whole exercise video thing really demonstrated her issues for me. She talked about how great an opportunity it was, how she loved fitness and thought she could really make exercise a career, but at the end of the day, she didn't have the attention span to practice because she cared more about the Rangers' game, everybody involved was disgusted with her and rolling their eyes, and her video was lame. It made me sad to see someone so excited but so lacking in the very basic skills to follow through with something. She has zero self-esteem and even less work ethic.

Putting your name on a clothing line may be okay for some quick cash, but it's not a "future". And buying a condo in Southern California six months ago or whenever is probably the worst possible investment a human being could make. Like day trading internet stocks in the 1990s or buying penny stocks or junk bonds in the 1980s. Since I doubt she has a credit history, she more than likely got a subprime loan, and those are defaulting all over the place. I'd be shocked if she doesn't lose some really serious money on that.

Well, on Newlyweds, we saw Jessica "develop" a cosmetic line. She basically showed up and posed for pictures. I'm guessing it was a similar effort for Kendra.

I don't think she's flabby, but she's not necessarily toned either. There was a scene in one episode where she was playing interviewer with Hef--I don't remember the circumstances--but she was wearing a bikini. And from the back you could see a roll of fat over the bikini top. She may not be flabby, but if you're going to go with skin-tight and skimpy, there's always the danger that something will squeeze over the top. She just needs to dress right.

I agree. I guess it's somewhat inevitable as these shows go into the second or third season, but I there's a lot more fakeness this season. The one that stands out for me is when Hef and Mary were talking about the difficulty of the choice for Playmate of the Year. You could sense that someone told them "discuss the difficulty of the choice of Playmate of the year". It was so strained and unnatural.

Okay, catching up on the last few episodes of this show, Holly bugs me more and more. She's constantly saying "Most people think. . ." followed by something that absolutely no one on earth things. For example, "Most people think that Hooters girls are just eye candy but really they work hard." Huh? Aren't they waitressing? Are their people that don't understand what waitresses do? They take your food orders and they deliver the food to your table. And, yes, it's hard. Or "Most people think the girlfriends have a say in who is playmate of the year." Again, huh? From everything I've read about Hef--which isn't all that much--he's a control freak, and makes every single decision. Plus most people don't consult their significant others when they make decisions at work. She's so stupid. Shrewd, but stupid.

I feel so dense. I didn't even make the connection between this show and Big Love, although there are similarities. The weird thing is, on BL, those people have sex. It still kind of boggles my mind that for a show that takes place at the Playboy mansion, there is just nothing of a sexual nature.

Bwah ha ha! What an apt choice of words!


That's because she played one in her stripping act.

Chargers game....different sport....ha ha, sorry, I'm a huge football fan so I couldn't resist! ;-)

My heart broke a little bit for Kendra during the 'fidelity' moment, as much as I kind of hate myself for being such a softie. I doubt Kendra and I would be friends in real life, but she is earnest and I respect that. I don't think she's dumb so much as the result of having the sort of youth she's hinted at -- drugs, stripping, running away from home; I'm not certain that she even graduated high school. At any rate, she hasn't had much of an education. Part of me thinks she has a grim awareness that she's coasting on a pretty face and fun personality. Maybe her parents think so, too. I think she'd be ok if she furthered her education and tried to get into some sort of phys ed/personal trainer role, and I could totally see her working for ESPN based on enthusiasm alone, but it seems like the people around her have the attitude of, 'you better make this work for you now while you're still young and pretty, because it's not like you have any talent or brains'. It's like it's just common knowledge.

Bingo! You articulated it far better than I could.

Aw, Kendra seems so cute and genuine on tonight's episode. And she was ROCKING that white dress in the beginning of the episode- it looked very Marilyn Monroe. Ok- still watching the episode- and the gold number...not so much.

I agree - Kendra was so cute showing Mary around! But even I was stressed out when she couldn't find her shoes. Too bad they didn't show Holly's face while they were sitting around waiting for her. Holly & Bridget were probably in a bedroom having a little b*tch-fest about waiting for Kendra.

Oh and Bridget - you did not have your name in lights in Vegas. It said "Girls Next Door." Apparently your big accomplishment in life is, "you get to help Mary with snacks."

I love Mary....I wonder what she really thinks of these girls!

This shit is too fucking boring and sad.
I honestly can't even watch this anymore. Watching the neuroses of a semi-senile old lectch and his harem of whores makes me weep for society.

I love how everyone falls over themselves justifying the whims of that sexist tool. Of course, it's completely normal for an adult male to need the same meal prepared for him
to bring when he goes on vacation! Of course an adult woman should wear pink doll clothes and giggle constantly!

Mainly, I think it's the fakery and denial of issues that gets me- Holly rocking her LV luggage while Bridget has little girl suitcases from some cheap place, everyone acting like the girls are best friends, seeing HH kiss Mary knowing that it's not a cute old couple, but the secretary of a man who fucks women young enough to be his granddaughters.

Seeing random Playmates or potential Playmates clinging to HH and saying they love him and smooching his ancient visage makes me wonder if they actually buy into the 'Playboy mystique' (which they may, longing to be in the magazine and all), or if they just have to follow along and stoke his ego to get the payoff.

Poor Kendra. I've come to like and feel sorry for her so much. I want her to take the money and run, hopefully into the arms or Shaun White or Barry Zito or someone like that.

Oh God! That pathetic middle aged woman (no, not Bridget) who brought her little girls to meet the GND! What the hell kind of ideal does that give them to emulate? Try to give your daughter a role model who is known for more than her breasts and vagina. Goes right along with Keith and his brother refering to his girlfriends as dolls, not people or anything.