I think I love her a tiny bit because she reminds me so much of my very own 21 year old little sister. I had to laugh when she showed up at Victoria's baby shower last season in jeans, a t-shirt, pony tail, no makeup, sun glasses on her head, and cell phone in her hand the entire time. That was 100% my sister at my wedding shower. Partially because she didn't know it was a more dressy affair and partially because she honestly couldn't care less about petite fours and china sets. Aside from occasionally having sex with an 81 year old man, Kendra seems by far the most real and down to earth one in the house. I never anticipated liking her as much as I do.

I don't think Holly or Kendra are lying about their ages. Bridget I'm not sure about, but not the other two because their pasts/childhoods are pretty well documented. There are quite a few posters who went to high school with Holly, and have posted tons of old photos and yearbook scans and things, which confirm her age. Although Jeez does she look older. Holly became a girlfriend in August 2001, when she was 21, and became the main girlfriend six months later. The 5 year anniversary was of her first becoming a GF, not becoming the main GF (which kinda makes her celebrating it more funny, both in the 'odd' sense and the LOL sense).

Kendra met Hef two months before her 19th birthday, and that point she'd been working as a nude&bikini model doing shoots and promo stuff, but she doesn't seem to have done a lot of modeling work, and nothing big. I'm not trying to stereotype, but a girl who was doing nude modeling and making a few hundred $ working as essentially a nude waitress (even if she did it to meet Hef) -- it's not really a stretch for her to have done the odd bit of stripping at the same time. That doesn't mean she did, of course, and I haven't heard anything definite, but it doesn't really seem a big difference to me.

Unseemly as it may seem to be one of several girlfriends, I agree that Hef probably saved Kendra from a much seedier existence.

I think what's bothering me the most about Bridget is that she's so obviously "dumbing herself down". There was some speculation by posters before on the questionable status of the schools where she got her degrees. I don't know the specfics, but I assume she's gotten a college degree and a masters (in communications)? Whatever -- unless it was from an online school, she had to put some time into it and she is obviously intelligent. Maybe she's not a brain surgeon, but she's intelligent. Why does this smart 30-something year old woman feel the need to act like a 6 year old??? Is it because she thinks this is what Hef wants?

Does Hef prefer his women dopey? Kendra sure fits the bill there. Is Bridget so desperate to stay in the mansion, that she's pretending to be as dumb as Kendra? Other than her laugh, Holly sure ain't dopey. But I don't think she's as intelligent as Bridget. Holly is cunning and maybe evil and certainly deluded. Sometimes she acts a bit silly but she doesn't seem to feel the need to behave like a 6 year old the way Bridget does.

There are fine online college programs for bachelors and masters degrees. Oxford (in England) has an online program although you do have to spend some minimal time actually in England before you're done, but most of it is long distance learning whereever you happen to be in the world. And California State University has some interesting online distance learning programs for bachelor and masters degrees and again, there is some minimal time at some point of the programs where you have to show up on campus, but it's mostly online distance learning also. So Bridget could have perfectly legitimate proper bachelors and masters degrees while staying primarily at the mansion. She might also have gotten them before she joined Hef, since she was a lot older than Holly or Kendra when she first came to the mansion.

But she does do that whole 1950s baby doll dumb blonde affectation - like Marilyn Monroe, remember how she used to talk? - all the time, purposely dumbing herself down. I thought it was interesting that Kendra identified with an old time sassy blonde - Mae West - rather than the Marilyn/Jane Mansfield type of dumb blonde baby talker that Bridget affects. Holly seems to be just Holly, but also is going for that 1950s platinum blonde bombshell look, and does the hair and clothing in that vein also. Kinda if June Cleaver decided to be a whore, you know? I always look at the pictures of girls in their high school yearbooks from the 1950s and think they all look like thirty year old housewives. And that is what Holly looks like to me too - too old for her age. I expect young women to have a certain young look, and she looks very mature and dated like those girls in the yearbooks.

Ha. It was Saturday afternoon and I had just been to TJ's for groceries. I had it on my mind, I suppose.

I just found this forum yesterday but I haven't seen this opinion posted in the pages that I read. Sorry so long. Once I started, I just kept going...

There is speculation about what Bridget will do when she leaves the Mansion.

Although it is not the most exciting idea, I can see her as a Stay at Home Mom. I have always felt that those little dogs (and that awful cat -- sorry to those who like it) are child substitutes for Bridget and Holly. Hef encourages them to have these animals so they can focus their attention on the dogs that women (and they are women) their age usually give to children. Hef does seem to understand these women. He gives them just enough to keep them around. Snowboarding, horseback riding, 21st b'day parties, Holly's photo shoot "work" & jewelry "designs", all that is too keep them happy enough.

But I digress...the teddy bears and the cradle (!) in Bridget's room would be okay if she had young children. The enthusiastic celebrating of the holidays, the costumes and the pretend "dog date" are all very appealing to young children and would be appropriate IF children were around.

If I met Bridget somewhere, I would think that she is a suburban mom. She would be on the events committee of the PTA, work on the town day festival, fundraise for her children's sports, etc. I am in **no way** saying that this is a bad lifestyle. She reminds me of many of my neighbors (although they are a little more toned down) and most of them appear happy with their lives. Some work outside the home, some don't but the focus is on the family.

It's almost too bad that even though she was turned down for the Playmate shoot, Hef invited her to the Mansion. If she didn't live there, she would probably have her career and family on track by now. Of course I don't know how old she is. She does look older that 32/33 but I know people who've done a lot of tanning who look older than they are. If she is more or less the age she claims, she could still have a family when all of this is over. Having a family is NOT the answer for everyone but she does seem to truly love those dogs & that cat (her children), is not career driven (I don't care what she says) and loves domestic homey stuff. It could work.

Regarding the degrees that she has, I think that she is like many people. She has a college education and a masters degree in a subject that is not academically oriented. She did the work required & received the degrees. She didn't have to invent anything new or further academia. She turned her assignments in on time & studied the material for the tests. Nothing wrong with that --

I am not taking anything away from her nor do I think that she is an intellectual. In the Boston area this mix of degrees is quite common and it helps you at work (b/c often there are minimum degree requirements for a position) but it doesn't catapult you to the top necessarily. It is all what you make of it.

I bet that if the GND song didn't show her in a cap & gown, no one would consider the quality of her college education. I guess the producers wanted to define the 3 girls personalities and educational attainment is what made Bridget special since the other ones haven't completed college yet.

"Unseemly as it may seem to be one of several girlfriends, I agree that Hef probably saved Kendra from a much seedier existence."

I agree with you. I think that Kendra's life will be forever better because she lived with Hef.

She will still be the same person she would have been but she has met a wider range of people and has been able to do things that she wouldn't have done without living at the Mansion. I am not being sarcastic here. She wouldn't have snowboarded with Shaun White, gone on all those trips, been exposed to fine dining and establishments, etc. I believe that anything that she has done that is risqué probably would have happened in some form anyway b/c I believe that she IS being herself only the Playboy Mansion version.

Why does one have to have children in order to enjoy certain things? I go to Disneyland with adult friends every year, without children. We enjoy it. Some people think that you're only "supposed" to go to theme parks with children, but I enjoy what I enjoy and I don't need children as an excuse to enjoy them. If Hef's women want to have fun in their own quirky ways, who is it hurting?

There's a difference between enjoying something and being obsessed. Is Bridget's obsession with holidays, costumes and the color pink hurting anyone? No, but it's definitely strange behavior for anyone over the age of 10 and people will comment on it.

This fits Bridget to a T. She'll be the mom who makes the best decorated cookies for school parties, plans the best birthdays and makes all the Halloween costumes by hand. Of course, her kids will love it when they're little, but by the time they're 9 or 10, if Mommy Bridget still starts every Easter hoping around in a full bunny costume, they'll be mortified.

Enjoying kid-like stuff like going to Disney occassionally or having a slip and slide party is fine, but Bridget takes it far, far beyond fun or whimsical. The doll cradle for her 'wolfie' doll and many other things send her straight into the realm of pathetic and odd.

I think the LAST THING Bridget wants is to be a stay at home mom. She could easily have had that but she left her hubby. I don't believe Bridget's silly act. Bridget is a poser and an actress. She's extremely, extremely, extremely ambitious. That's why she's in that mansion and willing to be on call for sex with an old fossil. To her it's a small price to pay for what she thinks is a stepping stone to fame and bigger opportunities. Izzie said in her book that Bridget was desperately trying to get into show business -- and at her advancing age opportunities were quickly drying up.

I can't see Bridget being a stay at home mother. I can't see her changing diapers, dealing with the kids when they're bad, etc. Has she even shown a strong interest in children? She is definitely childlike, but I think there's something extremely off about her. I don't believe that she's faking it, but I think something bad happened to her in her past that makes her act like a little girl.

Although I haven't heard her say that she loves kids, I don't think that she would be able to talk about it around the Mansion or at least on the show. Holly talks about kids but having them with Hef. Bridget really can't unless she wants to encroach on Holly's "territory" & I don't think that Holly would allow it. I am basing her potential on her excessive love for those dogs & that cat. I am not saying that Bridget would be the best mother in the world but lots of imperfect women become Moms.

I am picturing her with someone wealthy and living a pampered life. Kind of like now but with one person & some children. I don't know how well off her husband is with the store. I see her hiring lots of help for the basics but planning parties, sewing costumes, etc. herself. A mom down the street from me hired someone to take down her indoor Christmas decorations & this is not as wealthy neighborhood with big homes -- it's middle class at best here.

I haven't read that book that everyone talks about (so maybe I am wrong) but my feelings are that if Bridget were truly ambitious, it wouldn't take a New Year's resolution to make a demo tape. Isn't that one of the basic steps to getting work in her field? Wouldn't she have one already & maybe just need to update it? Wouldn't she have some kind of internship or something? Maybe through Playboy? Holly is hanging around the photo studio trying to get some experience & recognition. Don't get me started...but she's there.

I am not denying that there is something wrong with Bridget. Maybe that's why I don't see her working anywhere?

P.S. I don't think that Bridget is harming anyone with her love of pink & the childlike/childish behavior. It must work for her on some level.

I can see her being somewhat ambitious- mainly wanting to be famous, but I think if she really wanted to do something with herself, she'd have started by now. Her shitty demo reel notwithstanding, she has been there for YEARS, surrounded by industry folks and hasn't done anything. Partially because of her lack of talent, and I'm sure Hefner might not approve. But, if she wanted to work for Playboy in some capacity, I bet he wouldn't have a problem with that.
I see her school work and demo reel as a response to those who say the girls are dumb sluts who have no lives outside the mansion. Nothing else that Bridget has done contradicts that in my opinion. I think she loves living where she is, and partying and playing dress up and having parties.

Question for the group...

I assume that since we never see Holly's bedroom, that as #1 girl she's stationed in Hef's room. Is that correct?

Yes, as far as I know, Holly moved into Hef's bedroom when she became #1 girlfriend. I saw an old episode of Cribs back when there were 7 girlfriends (I think in 2002?) and she lived there with him at that time.

MTV recently reaired the Playboy Mansion episode of Cribs. Holly said something about her sharing a room with Hef and that she "wouldn't have it any other way."

And then she showed off her hideous Marilyn Monroe dresser.

*edited for spelling

It's her only possession in his fire trap of a room.

Okay, this is gross...but I can imagine a guy over 80 getting his rocks off to prune juice enemas or something equally icky. Maybe that's the draw - no actual sex or touching, just gross voyeuristic type crap.

Gotta go upchuck now...I grossed myself out!

Except of course her autographed Britney Spears picture that all the other girls were naturally so jealous of.

Before Izzie's book there was a lot of speculation on whether Hef was actually having sex with the girlfriends -- or any women for that matter -- regardless of the endless talk of him taking Viagra. He just seemed too old and he probably couldn't perform (even with the Viagra) and he didn't have the interest anyway. Howard Stern used to joke about it all the time and he would always challenge any girlfriend that he had on his show that they were lying about having sex with Hef.

But Izzie confirmed the sexcapades of Hef and the girlfriends. I really don't want to get into specifics -- read the book if you really want to know. But Izzie sure wasn't shy about describing the scenes in detail. I'll just say it involves lots of baby oil. It's kind of ironic 'cause I don't think that was Izzie's intention at all. I think she was pretty bitter about how things ended with her association with Hef. I don't know if she wanted to hurt Hef or Playboy but I certainly don't think it was her intention to make him look good.

One thing I'll say about cunning, clever Holly -- she's very much a pro about describing Hef's sexual prowess. Whenever she's asked about his sexual ability, she'll say something like that he's so great he doesn't even need the Viagra to perform and she's always, always satisfied. I've heard her say this crap in interviews many times. I wonder if that's the REAL reason Hef still keeps her around even though we can see so obviously that he's NOT into her.

I know Hef's 81, but what do you bet that he's itching to get new girlfriends? He's not into Holly and he certainly doesn't want to have babies with her or marry her. We know he's not into Bridget. In Playboy years, she's a fossil. And he knows Kendra wants out. Wonder if it'll be more convenient for him to get rid of all 3 at once and just give Holly the old heave-ho with the other 2 hos??

Well we know from a couple of sources, (I actually knew the nephew of a famous rock star who went to the mansion in the 1980's) that Hef digs male on male porn, so I'm sure that there is some kinky shit going on.

How long do his girlfriends stay at the mansion?

I could see him getting rid of Bridget and Holly and being glad. With Kendra, he seems to genuinely like her. I know, given the context, it's weird, but he almost have a grandfatherly relationship with Kendra.

Were there new episodes last week and this week? I checked my DVR and it said last week was Holly's b-day and this week was the workout video. It's been wrong before though. Am I missing anything great?

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?...riendID=3408791

Holly's brother's myspace which includes pictures of him at the mansion and at Disney Land with Holly.

ETA:

Another interesting tidbit: Izabella St. James is now selling some of her memorabilia on ebay (SN: beachbunnyboutique).

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ2...chbunnyboutique


I am assuming she got the idea from Brande Roderick who occassionally sells her old undies and outfits that she has worn to the mansion.

After looking at the Disney picture of Holly and reading the top comment from her brother's #2 friend, I think I know why she doesn't talk about her family.

I kinda think the sub-title for the GND would be "we're riding this until there's no more interest." I don't think that any of the Playboy gang expected this much interest in the show or in multiple seasons. When did it begin, about two years ago when they first began shooting? My opinion is that the three girlfriends are marking time, playing the role, as long as E will pay for the episodes. I'm not sure Holly would still be there by now, except they've got this quasi-hit show and formula going on. Same deal with Bridget and Kendra. I agree with others that say that Hef isn't really that into Holly, other than what she does for him. I think she's angling for long-term work with Playboy Enterprises; probably Bridget would like the same deal. Kendra will move on or freelance doing other things. I doubt none of them has anything more than good-natured affection for Hef, and that Holly is completely faking the "I love Puffin" crap. I think she knows she'll never be married to him or have children, that after he's gone she'll be scrambling to hold onto a role there. I think it's all real jaded and cynical, which is what you do in Hollywood.

I don't see what you mean, but I read his blog entry. Maybe Holly is all right after all...

What do the MySpaces' show? I'm at work and MySpace is blocked here.

Holly's brother's friend has a blog entry posted, called "N*gger Owners Manual." It's an email forward, I think; I never received it. It's really horribly racist and stupid and awful. I feel disgusting thinking that someone who's close my age has that kind of humor in this day and age.

You shouldn't judge people by the company that they keep, but I do make exceptions from time to time.

Holly's brothers friend uses some pretty racist comments throughout Holly's brothers page.

ETA" I didn't even look at his friends blog, just at the comments the friend had left on Joe's page.

Was that Holly's Mom in the Disney picture? If so she looks like a regular Mom to me.

At the brother's myspace page, there's a photo of his new tattoo. Does anyone know what that means on the skulls helmet?

According to wikipedia, it's the symbol for Metal Mulisha, a motocross organization. The logo contains a sig rune, which apparently has Nazi connections, though it's been commonly used by bands like Kiss and Slayer. The wiki says the MM logo has been banned from some schools because of the connotations.

I can definitely see why Holly would want to distance herself from this kind of stuff--not only based on the obvious horrible principles behind it, but if the media got a hold of it, tomorrow's headline would probably be 'Holly Madison is a Nazi sympathizer.'

Interesting... Why would you want to learn how to spell? Or better yet- which "their/there" to use. Ahhh, I miss Sex and the City.

If that was part of my family, I would run and deny, deny, deny.

What is the link for the brother's myspace page? I'm not a member so I couldn't view the one with pictures.

I watched a rerun of THS on Hugh Hefner last night, and I was struck by a few things: first, Keith has been clinging to his brother for dear life and any spill over chicks. It doesn't seem he's ever had a real job with the company. Two, all of his earlier girlfriends expressed misgivings about his promiscuity- Barbie left him b/c of it, Kim was really hesistant to marry him because of it, but Holly said not a single word, and he was the worst in her tenure. Finally, the show was filmed in 05/06, and he looks way better than on GND. I guess when you're that old, it's possible to make a huge decline so quickly.

ETA: I found Holly's brother's page from his friend's. Nevermind.

The direct link.

Dude, I think I might've sent a hate message to his buddy and reported his ass. What's even worse, is if you view the blog, Joe, Holly's brother gave kudos but the comment hasn't been approved yet.

Something tells me he might get along with Kendra's 'I want to be black' brother just fine.

Holly's bro's girlfriend messages him constantly- most saying things like "baby love!", "I love you so much", and the like. If she marries him, she and her new sister in law will have quite a lot in common. Except the girlfriend is 17 and her boyfriend is 20, not 80, so it makes a lot more sense. And the girlfriend told Holly's bro to take down the idiot's racist post. She seems like good people.
I wonder if that is why Holly avoids her family- she doesn't seem racist at all, so if her mom and dad also hang around bigots, I could see her not wanting to be around that.

Part of me wonders if she doesn't hang around them because she doesn't care for their racism or is smart enough to know that racism that blatant doesn't fly in this day and age.

Yuck! I just read Holly's brother's friend's blog entry and all I gotta say is yuck! He fits every stereotype of the ignorant uneducated white male who feels powerless so he tries to perpetuate his superiority by denigrating other races. I (naively) didn't know that this really existed. Does he mean this?!

In case you are wondering, I am thinking out loud here b/c if I try to talk about it offline, I would have to say...I found this myspace blog entry because I was reading a forum dedicated to the GND... yeah...the 3 Hugh Hefner girlfriends... one of the three girls has a brother... who has a friend... who has a racist blog entry on his myspace...and no, I don't know him...yep...he lives across the country in Oregon...but it really bothers me that someone would post that in 2007.

Sadly, people like that really exist. Even sadder is that they're so young that they should have met enough races to not be such a racist towards them. You didn't see the MLK Jr. Day party pics that made there way on the internet? These college kids decided it was smart to dress up as a black stereotypes (Aunt Jemima, thugs, etc.) and throw a party on MLK Jr. Day. This wasn't the only time this has happened, either.

We still have young Neo-Nazis being recruited. I'm not saying that guy is one, but when you have both ends (non-racist to Nazi/White Power types), there are always going to be people in the middle. Most of the people in the middle are smart enough to disguise their views in such a way that you have to stop and realize how racist they are. If they don't disguise their views, they just plain hide them because of the PC nature of the world.

The cynic in me wonders if the girlfriend understands why the friend's comments are so appalling or doesn't want to appear racist. Some racists don't see themselves as such, which is bizarre but part of the PCness thing. That's what I was wondering about Holly, because I never saw any indication one way of how she felt about other races.

How does Hef feel about race?

What I found funny about that is whenever he talks about his first wife, he pretty much implies that she was a huge whore because she cheated on him and ruined his life. But then in his relationships following his divorce, he was known for his cheating. I love the double standard :)

I was struck by how pretty Kimbery was. She looked beautiful, particularly for having kids that old. I loved that Hef still sends her a gold rose on Valentine's day. Wonder how Holly feels about that? Kimberly's older, has kids with Hef, is married to Hef, and is still much prettier than Holly. That must make her CRAZY. Ha!

Holly is clinging very tightly to Hef, the mansion and this lifestyle. I figured she had to be coming from something pretty awful for her to cling so hard to all of this. The stuff about her brother isn't surprising -- I'm sure there's much, much worse in her background.

Keep in mind that Holly's tolerating the presence of the other girlfriends and that Hef is likely having sex with many others too. Barbie and Kim were bothered by Hef's promiscuity and certainly neither of them would have allowed this. Most women wouldn't put up with this. Why is Holly so, so desperate that she will?

She must be pissed! A gold rose sounds like a more heartfelt gift than the Spencer's-quality crapola Mary spread on the nasty spare bed for Hef to sort through.

Hef wasn't even approving the gifts themselves, he was approving the wrapping. Holly said she went through the Playboy catalog and picked out what she wanted.

If I had gotten yet another "sock bouquet" from Holly I would have had to beat her over the head with it. Enough with the socks!!

I actually didn't think Kimberly was that attractive. She looked way too over-botoxed and over-restalined, like Waxy Fishmouth on The Real Housewives of OC...no wonder Hef let that fug gal in to the mansion for a party!

I thought she came across as kind of bitchy, too. I mean, hi, lady, you married this guy who is known for throwing naked pool parties every week. He runs a naked magazine. I thought it was kind of ridiculous that she expected that to stop just because she married the old guy.

Dude gives me the creeps. I could picture him looking through keyholes, trying to catch the various girlfriends in the nude. Also, during the E! THS, he seemed way too interested in his brother's sex life. I've often wondered what he does all day, or is he just a hanger-on. (I know, I know, the girlfriends hardly do anything all day either, but there's something weirder about Keith's parasitic nature) IIRC, in the episode where they were interviewing women to be the new Bunnies, he claimed he invented the "bunny dip" or whatever they call the way the bunnies stoop down to serve a drink. Big contribution, there. Surprised he's not CEO with that kind of know-how.

I don't know -- to me, Kimberly looked like a zillion other Playboy chicks (in her day) -- which was like 20 years ago? Now she really does have that waxy, botoxed, surgeried look. Did Hef really give up the lifestyle for a while 'cause he was so wildly in love with her? Or was it because was he had heart troubles and thought it was a good time to give the "wife and kids" lifestyle a try? Maybe it could have been Holly or Bridget if they had come along 20 years ago.

Kimberly seems like such a hypocrit. It's like she looks down on the mansion and Hef's lifestyle. Huh? This is how she lived her life at one time. Is she trying to protect the sons from something?