I guess I see the prostitution issue in a different way. Plenty of wives/girlfriends let their spouses control the money, and are given an 'allowance' weekly, or monthly, for their own personal needs. I certainly don't think that's prostitution. (Nor do I think it's a great idea, but that's neither here nor there.) If Hef paid each of the GND after each sex act, based only what they did, and denied that they were in a relationship, that'd be prostitution. From what the books said, the GND get allowances weekly, on some random weekday morning, and not after sex.

Basically, I think prostitute is a derogatory term for a woman, and I don't think it should be applied to women like the GND who believe themselves (whether rightly or wrongly) to be in a (however twisted) relationship with the guy giving them money.

I don't consider the girls prostitutes. Mistresses, maybe? Even though it's a weird setup, I think Hef gets more out of them than just sex. If he were just seeing them once a week for sex night, they would totally be prostitutes. However, he spends more time with them doing their dumb little activities.

And I've even noticed that happening less and less this season. The man is OLD, and it's completely showing. All he does is shuffle down in his jammies for a quick cameo and disappear again back up to his room.

Fashion show with the snowboard clothes: prop him up on a chair
Calendar shot: drag him down for ten seconds to look at Kendra
Getting ready to go horseback riding: Quick twirl from Holly in her costume
Sledding in the front yard: huge coup to get Hef to ride down one time

Yeah, Hef is like the best boyfriend EVAH!

I've also completely convinced myself that Kendra and Shaun White swapped numbers and secretly text message each other all the time. As soon as Hef kicks the bucket, she's hopping the next plane to whatever mountain he's on to have some real sex.

I felt an honest connection between Kendra and Shaun. Too bad they couldn't spend more time together. She was all giddy and glowing. Often, I wonder if Kendra regrets putting herself in this situation and her complete loss of freedom. Sure, Hef may have saved her from drugs and stripping, but what did she have to give up? Once Hef releases Kendra from her contract (via death or kindness), I figured she'd go after a football player, basketball player, or rapper -- but now I see her getting all hot and bothered at the X Games. When the series started, I thought Kendra was a dolt, but now I root for her. She is the only one who will have survived this experience.

Wow, this idea is disturbing isn't it? They have to have the ability to simply quit. It's not like the contract says they promise to clean the grotto for certain length of time, it says that they'll be personally involved with someone. And if they can't quit with out severe penalty there has to be something both morally and legally wrong with that. I know supposedly the contracts are only about the show - but the idea that they have to stay "involved" with Hef to keep their job is really creepy.

It might read like a contract for a singer or band, where you're obligated to stay on for x years or albums, unless you get dropped first. I don't know how it works for promotional models, but I wonder if the contract is something very similar to that; in a very loose sense, that's what they are.

I doubt that the contract is illegal. Maybe questionably legal.

Which comes to show, once again, that "legal" doesn't necessarily equates to "morally correct".

I haven't seen the episode yet, but I'm rooting for a Kenra and Shaun pairing now. They are the same age, both athletic, both from San Diego and seem like fun people.

They do not have 'girlfriend' contracts, it's all speculation. The only contracts they have are with E! for the TV show.

Incidentally, whoever mentioned it, Bridget's husband's clothing store does sell snowboarding stuff, so it's possible it was product placement for his (their) store.

BTW, you know that book Izabella wrote? There is another tell-all in the works from an ex-GF.

If he did have a contract with the girls and wanted Bridget out before the contracted date, he'd be in breach of contract. Hef strikes me as the type to want the freedom to kick the young ladies out whenever.

Who? What? How? Where? When? DETAILS! Oh, and please. :)

I think Yuba City, CA could challenge Bakersfield for that title.

I think Bridget could definitely have a C-list entertainment reporting career. She's got the vacuousness down pat. At least she's preparing for the inevitable exit from the Mansion unlike Holly who is living in a dream-land that she and Hef will be together forever.

So would Victorville.

I think Bridget looks old this season. She's definitely aging, and you know Hef doesn't like that.

Is Holly deluded enough to believe that she'll be included in the funeral arrangements?

VioletViolet: You can find info on Jillann's book by searching "hefnerland" and her website has a couple of chapters. There is a link posted MANY pages back to the on-line book but I'm to lazy to go back and find it again. Maybe someone else has tagged it.

Actually, that old link via Top Pair no longer works and there are no current e-books of it. Well, in English. But someone decided to publish all 300 pages as one Blogspot posting.

Wow, I didn't mean to spark so much debate about Bridget by suggesting that she won't be able to find work after this is over! When I think about it, I do think that it will be easy for her to get a job as one of those fluff correspondents on E(!) or something similar, but she really is terrible on-camera, and I think she won't be around for long, unless, as someone suggested, she ends up doing the naked news. But I personally wouldn't want to stare at those sagging boobs just to get my naked weather. That's me, though.

Do you know how much each woman is paid for being on the show?

As far as I know, courts won't uphold a contract that involves sexual services (explicitly stated or not). There are moral limits on what you can contract for.

Do you think she'll try to jump on the coffin as they're lowering into the ground?

Yes, I can definitely see her landing one of those... for a little while. Heck, if Tara Reid did it, a trained monkey can do it too! The thing is, they always seem to hire very young and beautiful girls, I have never seen and older or mature lady (aside from Joan River, but she's in a completely different league) hosting one of those shows. I think Bridget is 35-38?? Even though she looks awesome, she still can't compete against cute, perky 20-somethings, in the entertainment business.

True, but I doubt Holly, Bridget, or Kendra would know that. I don't see any of them dragging Hef into court because he's demanding specific performance!

Not that I think they have contracts. Because I don't.

Thank you for the info, chainey, but someone posted that another tell-all was in the works. I was aware of the Jill-Ann book (and could only make it through a little bit of it, it was so bad) and am a proud/somewhat ashamed owner of Bunny Tales and have read that twice. So if there's allegedly another one, I was just wondering what the source was on that. Sorry for the misunderstanding!! :)

I watched the episode again last night where Bridget gets her "correspondence" stuff edited together for her reel and she said that she's "not a hard core news person." So we know that that's the avenue she's definitely not pursuing. Maybe she'll get some E! stuff here and there, but that can only last so long.

One of the things that bugged me about Bridget saying she was not a 'hard core news person' is that -from what little I know- in the entertainment business you either have a specialty or you go out of your way to prove how versatile you are. Showing a 'hard core news' side might not be what she wants to do, but it will show any prospective casting agent that she CAN do serious and professional delivery, not just giggling into a microphone and lobbing softball questions.

Since she 's not using her demo as an audition for a specific part, it might bode well for her to cover her bases, since you never know what they're looking for. I've tried out/interviewed for stuff where what they TOLD me they wanted and what they really wanted were two different things, something I found out once I got the gig/talked to the person they picked.

If, however, she's viewing this as more of a video resume, then I can see why she's eager to enhance her strengths. I just don't think it's good idea to leave out what might be applicable.

It will be hard to throw yourself onto the coffin when you're sitting in the second or third row of mourners.

I've got a couple of friends who will be banging on the door of the mansion to promote Puffin freedom. They are obsessed with Puffins and would be up in arms if they knew the good Puffin name was being associated w/Playboy

Thank you for the link. I just read it and will now be sick for about two weeks.

Oh God, Holly's talking about her wedding with Hef. This is too sad!


ALSO...Bridget says "Hef is my Valentine. Kendra and Holly is too." Does that sound like a woman with an education?

I finally saw the snowboarding ep, and Kendra is so cute with guys her own age. I really think she will be the one to recover the best when Hef dies, or gets kicked out of the mansion.

Kendra looked so pretty tonight and I am normally not a fan! That hair color is great on her!

Why the hell did Bridget (and Holly) plan that puppy carriage ride? The fuck is wrong with them????

Production is not even trying to hind the fact that it's more of a Holly/Bridget friendship versus Kendra having to fend for herself.

Oh and Holly was visibly pissed when that girl's dress kept falling at dinner.

Aren't these girls tired of only getting Playboy merchandise????

I'm hoping Bridget "accidentally" decorated Holly's cupcake with "Holey," because that would be awesome.

Oh my lord, Holly said she wants "clear and red jello shots" at her wedding reception at the Mansion. I don't even know what to say. Jello shots at a wedding? I guess it doesn't matter, though, since Duke and Winnie have a better shot at reaching the altar.


I agree! She looks great with the slightly darker hair.

Remember the rumor from a few months ago that one of the girls had a crush on Hef, one of them was wild sexually and one was a lesbian? We know about the poor thing with the crush. But everyone was assuming the lesbian was Kendra. I don't see it. Kendra keeps on expressing a very big interest in guys. Does Bridget ever express any interest in men? Maybe she's the lesbian. That seems more likely than her being the sexual wild one. She's much too busy with her pets and dressing up in stupid costumes and making pointless demo videos to have sex with anyone.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hef does have some sort of contract with each of the girls -- because of the show -- which has made them much more prominent. I think Izzie mentioned in her book that she didn't have a contract and that it was more of an informal agreement. But she wasn't as much in the spotlight or as well known as these 3.

There goes another mouthful of coffee.

This show's days are clearly numbered.

How many more episodes can we have where Bridget happily starts the show by saying "I'm so excited about (Valentine's Day, Easter, Halloween, Christmas, Election Day etc). It's one of my favorite holidays!"

I think Hef only gets them the things in the catalogue because he gets them for free. Because really, who goes through a Playboy catalogue circling what they want, Holly? I said it in this thread before, but the discount clothing stores nearest to me (AJ Wright, Marshall's) keep heaping that crap into the Juniors clearance section. Who really wears the stuff?

I loved the eyeroll from Kendra's makeup artist when she was talking about getting her bro laid. That poor kid needs to find some clothes that fit. Then, it might be easier to find a girlfriend. The girl whose number he got is not someone I think would be interested in him. Maybe she was just being nice in giving the number? She probably knew she would get on TV if she did it. Her 18 year-old bro looked 13.

I also saw the snowboard ep. Kendra and Bridget were probably just thrilled to be with guys their own age. Heck, Holly may have even enjoyed some one on one time from an age-appropriate dude.

I really hope Bridget is using some of her writing skills in writing a tell-all once she leaves and is taking vigorous notes right now. That would be some good use of that pink laptop she got for Christmas. I just don't see Kendra being able to write a book and Holly will still be in denial.

NPR's "Morning Edition" is airing an interview with Hef right now. Nothing new, although I did learn that the audience for TGND is 70% female. You might be able to find the audio at NPR.org, although I have not checked. He doesn't really talk about Holly, Bridget, or Kendra...mostly the same old stuff about the sexual revolution and the old pin-ups he used to love.

I am so behind.

I finally saw the snowboarding ep. Shaun White has a really cute personality doesn't he? The episode really made me like Kendra too. She may be stupid but she has a few things figured out and the right attitude! (plus I absolutely loved the look she gave Holly after Holly tried to explain the Yeti suit to her).

I will never understand Bridget no matter how long I live. But I still think she's probably sweet in real life. Holly on the other hand may be more than a little evil.

How those girls can be surrounded by such attractive, fit, age appropriate, attentive males and not realize how stupid it is to have a corporation controlling your life is beyond me.

This episode was even more ridiculous than most - it was like a spoof!! From poor, deranged Holly talking about her wedding to a corpse to Bridget and Holly taking the dogs for the golf cart carriage ride. But perhaps the most cringe inducing part was everyone trying so hard to gush about Domino's!! How much more let's visit Grandpa in the old folks home could that have gotten??? I expected more out of Kendra. I at least expected an eye roll.

Kendra really cracked me up last night. Sometimes, I find her a little grating, but the shudder she gave when that guy was hitting on her mom was priceless.

I can't take too many more of Bridget's open-mouth "I think I'm girly" cackles. When she's on my screen, I try to find other things to do.

It looked like Bridget and Holly gave each other and Hef gifts for V day, but they didn't show Hef or the girls opening any presents from Kendra. I bet she forgot or couldn't be arsed to get any gifts

If I were Kendra, I'd be so fucking tired of gift-giving. Holly and Bridget, being so bored, constantly make up events and parties that require gifts. When "real" holidays roll around, the poor girl is probably all gifted out.

Kendra's hair looked so much better. Please keep it like this.

No kidding. I really think that dark-haired butler guy needs to write a tell-all book pretty soon. I wonder what all the staff thinks when those two nuts were bouncing out the door taking their dogs on the "romantic carriage ride"?

Oh Holly, you'd be really funny if you weren't so sad. I wouldn't put down a deposit on Cinderella's castle quite yet.

I totally get it. When you look like Holly, Kendra, or Bridget, attractive, fit, age appropriate, attentive males are going to fall all over you. And most of the ones in L.A. are struggling actors/writers/musicians. Which means they are high drama, you are expected to care for them and support them, and they are having a good week if they can buy you a 7-layer burrito. Have you ever dated one? I have. I turned my cell off to take a nap once when I was just worn out from dealing with him and got a reaction not unlike Alec Baldwin's.

Then there's living with Hef. You live in a mansion. You drive a killer car. You can pursue whatever your personal hobbies and dreams are because you don't have to worry about supporting yourself. He's low maintenance - he's not coming home drunk at 3 AM throwing things and screaming because he had a bad audition. You don't have to have sex with him every night. When you do have to have sex with him, by all reports it's a 2 minute commitment. If you have a career aspiration, his fame allows you to meet people you would never get near if you were paired up with a young guy with no money or connections. Really, this is not a bad deal. This is a very attractive deal.

Omigawd, I caught that, too. What an idiot.

Hef doesn't give a crap about his three little prostitutes - his "gifts" to them are nothing but a bunch of things from the corporate catalog that he didn't even pick out and that he gets wholesale. It's the thought that counts, right, Hef? Jeebus, Hef - you might as well have snuck into Mary's office and stolen a bunch of post it notes from the supply closet to give the girls.

Anyone catch when Kendra's mom was going on about how she wanted to get some work done to her face and Kendra and her brother insisted she didn't? Then Hef comes in and tells Kendra's mom see beautiful as if and in the confessional, Kendra says she thinks it's awesome she has such a nice boyfriend. She didn't say the word bf with any hesitation or inflection, much as I would randomly, but naturally, talk about a bf to a friend. It was interesting.

I thought she said "Hef is my Valentine. Kendra and Holly's too." Meaning that Hef is also their Valentine.

BEST and most thoughtful description of this situation here yet, Taira!

I waver between wishing these gals had their freedom and youth to pursue actual relationships while still retaining their self-worth/respect, to realizing that while living in LA and with their likely social circles otherwise, they truly have a plum deal at the end of the day by being Hef's main ho's.
I have to admit that part of me salutes them for making the most of their situation, as wacky as it is...
Who can blame them for using Hef and his Playboy empire for a bit of fame, fortune and future prospects while they can?

The only one who truly worries me is poor, delusional Holly.
She seems to harbor this fantasy that one day she'll marry and procreate with poor old Hef((thus ensuring her a bigger chunk of his estate, I guess)), and that somehow she'll spend the rest of her working days somehow being part of the Playboy "family" forever.
At least the other two gals have plans outside of the mansion when the party is eventually over...