That article did cast Holly in a flattering light- far too flattering considering the softball questions they must have asked to get those answers. For me to be impressed with her, she'd have to give real answers to questions like:
Why is OK for Hefner to sleep with other woman, but you must be monogamous to the point of being forbidden to hang out with other men?
How can you possibly consider your penis wiping routine sex life as healthy or fulfilling?
How big of a factor is the money?
If she asnwers those directly, then she gets respect.

I didn't notice Kendra's sparkly Chargers thing being a Judith Lieber- I thought it was just a shiny little knicknack. JL clutch is way cooler (and way more expensiver).

Yeah, I agree that to the rest of us NORMAL folks not involved in that weird world, it's sick and twisted that Holly actually felt the need to become this ultimate package deal for tottery old Hef.
But obviously that's what she truly wanted in the end, that's what she's worked for all these years, and that's what makes her happy.
So hey, if becoming a personal femmebot of Hugh Heffner's with no life outside of the Playboy mansion was her main goal in life, I commend her for achieving what she must consider her life's greatest accomplishment thus far!

Was it JL? I thought it was a knockoff.

I checked, and all three - Hef, Holly and Kendra - unwrapped rugs with the 3 girls pose on them. But earlier, Bridget had some stuff with Kendra's baseball pose on it, so I guess she gave individual things too.

How many porno rugs do people need?

That entire interview was a crock. It read like a press release. Class is subjective? Not really. Taste is subjective. Class is holding yourself with grace and etiquette; considering the feelings of all around you and behaving in the best way that can keep all around you comfortable. The mansion is a pantheon of hedonism, not an unorthodox interpretation of class. If Holly wants us to take her seriously, she has to stop considering her goal as being the Laura Bush of Porn to be one we'd admire. I don't.

"Does anybody else feel really sorry for Holly? She always seems so unhappy and lost. The only time I've seen her almost look happy is when she has Puffin's attention. "

I feel sorry for her to a point. She seems sad to me, although very committed to the lifestyle she has chosen. She wants more, but I don't think she believes she can ever have more. It's a self-esteem thing as far as I can tell. I get that.

On another topic, the Christmas gifts and pictures were so trashtastic! Just because you live in Playboyland doesn't mean you are limited to giving pornographic and toilet-humor presents to your family and friends. You can still have decent taste in decorations, clothing choices, and presents. Those blankets (they looked like afghans to me rather than rugs) were probably the tackiest things I've ever seen. Well, aside from Kendra's toilet paper holder man. That was certainly different. Blech. I totally believe you can do the entire Playboy 'thing' and carry yourself with some class and taste. That the girls don't speaks to their personalities and to how completely immersed in the mansion and events etc their lives have become. It's like the outside world -- the one the rest of us live in -- no longer exists in their consciousnesses. Stranger than strange.

If my sister were a GND and gave me one of those horrible presents -- assuming she had the means to buy anything else, which would change my opinion on this -- I would be appalled and pretty annoyed with her. I don't want a bobblehead doll of my sister. Or my daughter. Or my friend... But I'd take that over the porno blanket. Where the hell are you going to put that blanket long-term? It's just soooooo tacky...

Over the dog piss stains on your carpet? Perhaps it's the lesser of two evils. I do agree with you though- who wants a blanket with their naked ass leaning over two other women they don't even like? holly, Bridget and Kendra apparently, b/c they all seem to have their centerfolds spread around their rooms. I see myself naked everyday, I don't need a remind, even if it is postersized or really snuggly.

On E News tonight they did a segment on GND cooking. Holly and Bri wore the costumes. Again. I thought they didn't know how to cook and weren't supposed to go in the kitchen. Anyways, Kendra revealed she bought a condo in San Diego as an investment.
As soon as the contract is up she's Audi 500.

This is the best description of Holly I have ever come across.

Oasis, you go to the head of the class. :)

More costumes?? I want to see an episode that shows their closets (well, not Kendra's mess). They must have entire walls for each theme! I have to admit, though, I am looking forward to seeing all the costumes at Holly's Marie Antoinette themed birthday party.

As far as Holly's lifestyle and responsibilities, I think everything is relative. Is it hard to coordinate luncheons for a group of middle aged Playmates? Or select the perfect outfit, hair, and makeup for the dozens of themed evenings and parties each year? Or make sure that your holiday village has three little blonde figurines and a Hef? No, of course not. Not when compared to what a lot of people struggle with daily. But I do think she fills her role well, and you know, *somebody* has to be in charge of the bowl of rags! That is one responsibility I would not accept in a million years, ugh.


Oh, I just assumed it was Judith Leiber. I see no reason why it wouldn't be--that bag wouldn't cost much more than Bridget's laptop and purses in that range are nowhere near uncommon here in Southern California--so it doesn't surprise me that Kendra would have one. I know the mansion (and the PB empire) has seen better days, but the girls seem to have plenty of expensive stuff. Holly practically has a college education's worth of Juicy Cashmere, and don't forget those terrrrrible Jacob the Jeweler bunny watches they have (I always figured those were more of Holly's rhinestone crap, but Bridget just answered a question about them on her Yahoo group). Then again, I'm no expert (they are not my taste at all) and for all I know, there's some cart at the mall that does custom sparkly football helmets :) And, who knows how much of that stuff is given to them by the companies.


Very interesting about Kendra buying a condo . . . I thought it was surprising that Izabella was able to buy a condo in Malibu during her time at the Mansion (especially with all her whining about money). I would imagine some very, um, interesting opportunities to make money come one's way if you are entrenched in the playboy lifestyle.

Oh! And one last thing (I really need to not watch this show so much): the ep where they film the exercise video was on last night. I have to say, Holly tries to be sooo classy (cashmere, pearls, Lady of the Mansion act), yet any chance she gets to mention that sex is her workout, or emphasizing working out her butt (making sure we all know she means it in a naughty way), she does. It's like the 15 year old boy who just had sex and is trying to make sure everyone knows he having it.

I thought her butt got plenty of exercise as was....

Kendra may act like the airhead, but doing that shows me she isnt as dumb as she pretends. She is at least thinking of life beyond PB. They are probably going to have to get a court order to evict Holly once Hef kicks it.

I am certain she has a 6-pack sphincter.

The was a "home shopping network" style Christmas that's for sure....did they exchange anything that you couldn't get at the Playboy.com store? (Except for the toilet paper holder that bore a striking resemblance to Hef.)

HAAAAAAA! and Eww.

Since I read Izabella's book, I just can't like Holly. It's funny, because now when I watch the repeats (and even the new ones), I usually just watch her face to see her reaction to things. If you watch in the new Christmas episode where they are exchanging gifts with the Playmates in the Playmate house, she looks pissed off the whole time the other girls were giving their gifts to Hef. Maybe not pissed off, but annoyed? Something. But she doesn't look happy.

Kendra may be smarter than we give her credit for. I hope Bridget is somehow squirreling away some investments because Holly is the only in for the long haul. I still don't why Bridget, with all her degrees, doesn't try to do something with that other than the little snippet where she is poorly reading cue-cards on Playboy TV. She could always be a PR person for Playboy, a beer company, or similiar type organization. Did Holly ever do anything with her real estate license? Kendra should use her masseuse training and go into sports medicine.

Ok, watching some repeats today and I have to say that the promo with Kendra and her aching butthole is pure comedy. Classic. That's why I pay for cable.

This Cristal Camden chick appears in lots of episodes. From the episode that features Hef picking girls for the new place in Vegas it has me wondering--is ol' girl unemployed? And did my eyes see correctly in that they hired the snotty, 'I'll move if the money is right' chick?

I thought that Victoria's baby (TAR) was adorable especially since Johnathon wasn't pictured with them. They appear in the Christmas Eve scene.

I remember when Newlyweds first started, many people commented that they didn't think Jessica Simpson was as dumb as she acted. They were wrong. I'm quite confident that, like Jessica, Kendra IS JUST THAT DULL.

The throws were particularly funny to me because my friend had one made for me for Christmas of my 2 dogs. I imagine that's what the company who makes them is used to: dogs, kids, grandkids, wedding pictures. They must have had a field day when Bridget emailed them over the pic of the GND all bent over each other. Thank goodness her package didn't get mixed up with some sweet old grandma's.

Do these girls have contracts with Hef or just with E? Kendra is so out of there when she gets the chance. Bridget will be there until Holly can finally tell her to go back to her husband.

I was surprised that Hef got Bridget that nice Sony Vaio laptop. A friend of mine has the same one and I believe she paid about $3000 for it. I don't know if B's is completely tricked out like my friend's, but maybe the old coot is softening up with the gifts or doing it for show. ;)

Someone mentioned that the diamond earrings that Kendra got must not be that nice because they didn't come from Tiffany or other big name, but just because something doesn't come from a big name jewelry store, doesn't mean it is lower quality. It's one thing if he went to Zales, but another if they were bought at a good quality local jeweler.

I don't see Holly being cool with a fake fur coat. lol! Did they say it was fake? I can't remember.

How dellusional do you have to be to think that people would want a bobblehead of you, a pornographic throw blanket, and everything with that dang PB bunny on it? If I was one of those girls and B gave me those throws, I would just dye it black all over to get rid of that embarrassing image so I could actually use the blanket. lol!

What's up with all these former gf's still hanging around, especially Cristol? Does she live in the PM house? Who is allowed to live there and for how long? Do the staff actually live at the mansion? I'm just wondering how many people that place can house.

Ok, so while I wouldn't want all my crap with the PB bunny on it, I did think Holly's red & white sweater (that she was wearing in the beginning) with the bunnies on it was pretty cute. /shame

They don't have contracts with Hef, by all accounts, but I'm sure they do with E!.
Hef made a point of saying the coat was faux, except he pronounces it "faw." I LOLed watching Bridget open the laptop, because she was banging on about the damn pink computer she wanted for ages before Christmas.

I know that in the past, each Playmate of the Month was allowed to live there for 18 months. A good number of Playmates want to move to LA to try to start an entertainment career, so it was a good enticement. Unsure if that offer still stands.

Heck, I'd sell that tacky thing on Ebay!

Don't watch the show--no need to watch pathetic whores when there's conjoined twins on some other channel--but one night, I was tormented by these chicks wasting two hours of the Dr. Drew call-in show, Loveline. Usually, even the most vacuous porn star can have some good moments on the show, but these girls didn't have a thought between them, and then there were all the young women calling up to gush about how much they loved and respected them, which was horrifying.

But I thought I might pass on a Holly moment. When asked the deep question, what's the best and worse part about being a GND, she replied, Good: All the parties and stuff. But the bad cracked my ass up, because she said it with no sense of irony whatsoever: Knowing I'll never have a marriage and children. Wow. Let's weigh those two: 'Parties and stuff' vs the relationships your very soul deeply yearns for. Such as easy choice!

And Kendrell had the ugliest laugh I've ever heard on a woman. Shouldn't a Playboy bimbo have a bubbly, sexy, girlish giggle? Not some truckstop hooker gee-aff? And she laughed a lot. Like I said, two hours of torment.

No one asked the question that may be answered on this show, though. Do they have the lights on when having sex with Hef? 'Cause, as an 81 year old man, shouldn't he look pretty nekkid Mr. Burns repulsive? They gushed on and on about how great the sex is, and I'm afraid that caused me temporary blindness, but I must admit a sort of sick fascination at how a woman could summon desire in such a situation.

Lots of alcohol/drugs and a very vivid imagination!

And a big bank account.

I read most of that book someone linked to - and if it's true, (well, even if it's not, probably) Hef did indeed have a flat, old man ass.

I can't get that economy-size baby oil bottle out of my memory banks now...brain bleach, please. Think Holly would have some?

I'm not sure about brain bleach, but I'm sure that Holly has plenty of anal bleach you could use.

So very true. I watch this show all the time, and I can't decide why. The girls all disturb me. I think that Holly is the most disturbing person I've ever seen. At least Kendra is planning for the future, knowing she's not going to be screwing an 80 year old man for too long. And Hef... he just looks so much older this season. He looks frail and has no idea what's going on anymore. Unless it's about candy. He KNOWS his candy.

Gem quality doesn't mean a thing to wannabees. They only want the name items, such as Tiffany. Holly has been dutifully wiping that nasty, old dick off for years. At least throw a blue box her way.

I'm re-watching Kendra's 21st birthday, and I am struck by the fact that her mom dresses like she's 21. Short shorts, tank tops, sexy dress, all that. She's fake tanned within an inch of her life. The tacky apple doesn't fall from the tree.
Also, Holly looks like a complete bitch singing half-assedly during the cake. Hefner gives out more presents of pictures of themselves, and blows out the candles like the senile old fool he is, before letting his stable out past curfew. I can scarcely imagine a relationship where my boyfriend's present to me was letting me out of the house past 9pm. Pathetic, that.

No kidding. The whole thing just creeps me out. Are the parties and seeing celebrities from yards away really worth it?

....just like his other peers in the nursing home.

Yup, my grandpa is in a home, and he doesn't know who I am, but he knows his oreos. His eyes light up like a kid at Christmas.

I am a mean, mean person. I originally read that as pee-ers.

Watching this season makes me think that Holly better get the wedding and baby started soon because Hef doesn't look long for this world. I guess the rumors of him having had a stroke are looking to be a little more accurate.

I don't know why I watch this show except that I think it's hysterical how they try to play everything off as one big happy family and it's so obvious they're sick of each other. You'd think that by this time Holly would have built up enough trust to stay out later but she probably wouldn't want to be separated from her Puffin for that long anyway.

I keep saying I'm going to quit watching but I know I'm in there all the way to the very special "Holly goes into Labor" episode.

"I don't know why I watch this show except that I think it's hysterical how they try to play everything off as one big happy family and it's so obvious they're sick of each other. "

I believe you've described pretty much EVERY family. LOL

The curfew speaks to a lack of trust, and that was probably -- I believe actually -- learned over time. When you're Hugh Hefner the girls are gonna line up to fawn all over you in their pursuit of their own wealth and careers, and finding a real relationship with a woman in that situation was probably difficult once he reached a certain age. Now, he takes no chances. And when you think about it, if these were a real old man and his young girlfriend wouldn't the old man want the young girlfriend at home with him, doing things he liked etc rather than running around with her friends to clubs all the time etc? Since it's unlikely a young woman would want to stay home like that, he tries to insure that whoever has attached themselves to him as girlfriend at least has to act like it for real and not run around behind his back.

The irony, to me, is that I think Holly really does love him and would stay with him without all the rules, but she's last(?) in a long line of girls who have dumped him as soon as they got what they were after and now he doesn't trust enough to believe in her.

It's not a romance made in heaven by any means, but I think there is genuine affection on her side. On his I'm not as sure, since he felt the need to bring Kendra in at a moment's notice a few years ago. Bridget had already been there, but he didn't need to bring in Kendra to make it a threesome. It's bringing in Kendra that must really have hurt Holly the most. IMO.

I think Hefner felt he looked a little silly when Brande Roderick and Sandy/Mandy were photographed running around LA with other guys. Hefner wants to at least appear to "own" these women in order to reinforce his Playboy image, and those photos undermined that image.

I just watched Kendra's birthday episode, and it actually looked like Holly unwinded a little bit. I like that they actually showed some affection and acted like friends instead of the awkward coldness. It was sad that Holly wouldn't stay the night in Vegas... she really reminds me of THAT girl, that misses out on all of the fun because she just wants to be with her boyfriend all the time. I know that she chose her destiny, and that she wanted all of this for herself, but I still can't help but feel sorry for her. She must have had a sad childhood. I LOVE Kendra! And Bridget annoys me more and more each time. And I know this sounds shallow but does it look to anyone else like she's put on a lot of weight?

Did he look senile or demented to you all when he got all that excited about the bag of candy the gals got him?

In an article upthread, doesn't it report that Holly buys all the presents and just puts Hef's name on it?

I thought this second episode was so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!

I second this -- they are running out of anything of interest to film.

I don't think Kendra's going to be able to fake the affection for much longer. I LOVED her comment about wanting to ride a "big black stallion" though. Funny!

Holly's fake laugh is becoming like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. It's SO fake, SO condescending. She was ready to kill everyone sitting at the table in that Mexican restaurant.

I go between feeling extreme endearment to downright annoyance with Bridget on this show.
On the one hand, she seems so sweet and easygoing and caring with an intellectual streak to boot. On the other hand, she seems so pathetic and weird with her needy clinging to the mansion lifestyle, the goofy costumes, and her creepy tendency to live/dress/act like a 10-year-old pretty pink princess who's actually pushing 40.

That's another thing---I refuse to believe Bridget is merely in her early 30's...maybe years of tanning and the Hollywood lifestyle just ages these gals faster than typical women and she really is only 33 or 34, but I'm willing to wager that she's at least in her late 30's or early 40's. And being much older than she dares let on would certainly explain Bridget's tendency to struggle with her weight more and not be able to stay nearly as slim as the other gals. After 35, even keeping a size 6 figure is a struggle for most women.
Although in all fairness, I think any normal-sized gal would look lumpy next to those stick figures Kendra and Holly; Bridget probably has an amazing figure in real life, but compared to her superslim television counterparts, she probably looks much heavier than she does.
((yet if the rumors are actually true, Bridget is afforded the luxury of extra lipo treatments too))

Speaking of age here, Holly's the oldest-looking/acting supposedly late twenty-something female I've seen in a while.
Actually, Kendra's not exactly a youthful-looking 21-year-old either...damn, maybe living at the mansion and enjoying all those constant parties really does physically age typical young women an extra 10 years or so!

Two episodes into the third season, and this show officially blows for me now. Is anyone else surprised that this formula has grown stale already? There's only so many parties and events and cringeworthy moments one can film before life at the Playboy Mansion seems every bit as boring as I'm sure it can get...

Too bad this series wasn't filming when Hef had 7+ girls.

Second to all those who said Kendra is growing on them- she seems real and honest about herself. Bridget is driving me up the wall with her pink kiddy clothes, furniture, computer, everything! Grow the fuck up, woman- I know you're a sex doll for a geriatric perv, but at least act like an adult sex doll.
I really don't know whay I keep watching this- I get pissed off at everyone, and end up muttering to themselves about how they seem like an ancient greek cult who worhips a senile Bacchus, and then I make a drink and assure myself that I would never act that way, yet I can't bring myself to turn off the damn TV.
It's like crack.

Lawd, were they really? I guess nothing should surprise me anymore, after that I found out that some young women look up to Paris Hilton, but...man, that makes me lose hope for womankind. It's just like on South Park, where the hot new toy for 8-year-old girls was the "Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset."

I'm fine with these women making whatever choices they want to make. But no young woman with choices still ahead of her should ASPIRE to a position of powerlessness. Yes, to some extent every rich guy's trophy wife is his GND, and she's living in his house. But if you're married, at least you have some legal protections, and the law says that the marital residence really is partly yours. These girls are out on their ears tomorrow if Hef feels like having the place to himself. That's why Holly always has that look of forced cheer; she loves that house, and she is working so hard for security, yet her position is inherently insecure.

Now, if these women were prepared to call themselves professionals, who are paid $1000 a week plus luxurious room and board and expenses, I could respect that. I don't see it as any different from being a live-in nanny to someone's children; that's an honest living where giving both love and service are part of the job description. But participating in the fantasy that the Mansion is truly their home when they don't even have the protections a tenant or employee would have...no.