My girlfriend watches this obsessively. Should I be worried?

I'm on Bridget's yahoogroup (hey, don't judge me; you all watch the show) and right now there's a discussion going on between some of the young female posters about how attractive Hef is. There have been quite a few comments saying "Bridget, be sure to tell Hef [name of poster] thinks he's hot!" Surprisingly, Bridget has yet to comment.

Also, when Jill Ann describes the first sex night, there's this hilarious bit where she realises Hef's thinking it'd be okay for her to participate in sex, and she recounts her increasingly paranoid panic that he might rape her while the other girls hold her down. I don't mean to laugh about rape (if any of them had touched her against her will it wouldn't be funny, but they didn't), but lady, you begged for an invite to an orgy. Then after she's all shocked that they actually have sex, and don't just hang out on Hef's bed eating ice cream, but she still goes to one more.

You know why? They talk, (mostly about video games), and they have no cash flow.

Some of them are ok looking but trying to have a conversation with one bores me in seconds or makes me want to smack them. Women are more cerebral in their lust. Men can block out all that stupid chit chat from 18 year old girls. Lets be serious they block out all of it from any woman.

Hef used to be kind of attractive, although I always think when I see a painting or photo of him its been a bit doctored because on old film young Hef doesn't look quite that good. I don't find old Hef attractive pretty much at all and I am into older men.

I just finished the sex chapter in Izabella's book last night. Ummmm... I still have no words. It's kind of weird how she said that Hef really isn't a sexual person, but the Mansion is oozing with sex, or something to that effect. So if you're in the mansion, you feel sexy, but when you're with Hef, you don't? Why am I analyzing this? I need to go scrub my eyes.

I'm not sure about carrying his sperm...personally I just think it comes down to the fact that a lot of men (and Hef in particular) are really into "hot" women. And most everything in our popular culture reinforces the idea that younger women are more beautiful than older ones. As they grow older, men's looks do not receive nearly the same degree of emphasis and judgment. In fact society tends to see men as getting more handsome as they age. It's a cruel, cruel world.

I've spent way too much time reading JillAnn and Izabella's books and I was surprised at how much they had in common. The only significant difference was the question of whether the porn was gay or straight. I do hope that I'm not the only one who tried to match up the pseudonyms to figure out who was who in each book (FWIW, Izabella is "Amanda" in JillAnn's book and she comes off as a bit of a bitch although she at least doesn't have sex with Hef).

Anyway, I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Hef. He has created this image he has to maintain and he has to basically pay women to maintain it for him. It doesn't sound like the sex is very exciting; I mean, planned sex on Wednesdays and Fridays with women who are only doing it so they can be "Girlfriends" or try to get into the magazine doesn't sound like much fun. Then he spends all the time when they go out documenting how much fun he is having and putting it all into scrapbooks to prove what a great life he has had. It all seems kind of pitiful.

Whats even more pitiful is that he doesn't buy them a car outright becuase if he does they will get in it and drive away!

It is pitiful and totally of his own making.

Harry Truman said ' Men who treat women as helpless and charming playthings deserve women who treat men as delightful and generous bank accounts.'

He must have known Hef.

Watch MTVs Two A Days and you may change your mind.

OK..I know this has already been discussed earlier on in the thread, but when perusing through the posts the day before yesterday, I found the link to Jill Ann Spaulding's 'Hefnerland'. I just finished reading it, and I cannot believe the lengths these girls go to get into the pack of Hef's GF's.

Holly and the whole baby oil deal was not only gross, but super strange. I can barely watch without picturing her doing those things! These girls are like programmed robots. To think, an 80 yr old man gets whatever he wants, no matter how out there, by girls young enough to be his grandaughters.

That said, knowing Bridget got where she is by basically prostituting herself, is rather funny. I'm assuming Kendra takes part in this ritual now, and it's sickening to think she's only 21 to his 80. Then again, Kendra always struck me as a very sexually open chick, so I'm sure she's the star of some of these orgies. I have no doubt the 'anal edge' may have played a part in her light speed transition from painted girl to GF.

On another note, Jill Ann Spaulding actually thought she had what it takes for Playboy? Not only did she look old, but she was extremely pale and unattractive in comparison to the other girls. In almost every photo, I honestly thought she was a transexual man. I won't even mention how her implants look like two watermelons shoved under her skin, at odd angles. She was lucky to get as far into that world as she did. Wait, did I say lucky? *shudders*

All in all, Hefner, his GF's, and the author, are all sleaze. Regardless, it was quite a fun read.

ETA - Is there a link to Izabella's book too? I'd like to see her take on it all. Boy, when Hef croaks, the books are going to be out like Rosie O'Donnell.

Harry Truman was right on-
the thing is, in this culture, for a partner to give a man status, she's got to be beautiful. For a man to give a woman status, he's got to be rich and powerful. This show simply illustrates that.
OK, now that I'm off my sociology grad student soapbox, I am scarily addicted to TGND. I watch each inane episode every time it's on. It's sort of a 'there but for the grace of god go I' thing.
On on a more dirty note, when JillAnn is talking about orgy time, she says she kept her bottoms up to indicate she doesn't want to participate. Yet she says some other girl pretends to be going down on her. Now, Hefner may be old and not quite with it, but isn't it fairly obvious that if pants are on, there's a really good chance that nothing is happening??
Regarding Izabella's book, which I have not yet read since my library doesn't have it, I find it pathetic how she keeps trying to justify her decision to be part of the harem. Admit it, you sold yourself out for money. Your law degree doesn't make you any different- you're getting the plastic surgery, fucking the old geezer and playing by the rules, just the same as the other sluts. Do what you will, just don't be hypocritical about it.

Holy Ho Ho Ho, the baby shower episode is on right now and I am rolling on the floor. Holly says she will have no problem with dirty diapers some day because she's no diva with the gross stuff. Uh yeah, that has so much meaning now that I have read Jill's book. She certainly has plenty of experience with baby oil and wet wipeys. (ewwwww-ed myself out there.) And Kendra thinking she wants ababy too? Shudddddder. I can just see the widdle baby grill right now. Felt a twinge of sad for Holly when she saw Hef getting all misty at the shower . . . over a chair! Bwaahhhh. Gotta go watch some flash gordon now.

I'm been trying to figure out who is who, too.
"Emma" in Izabella's book is Brit Page 3 girl Zoe Gregory, and in Jill Ann's book I think she's "Jennifer" (as Jill Ann mentions "Jennifer" having a son).
"Susan" in Izabella's is Sheila LeVell, not sure what name Jill Ann gave her.
"Roxy" in Izabella's is "Michelle" in Jill Ann's, not sure of her real name (she's the one with the daughter, who lived in the guesthouse).

I realised something when I was re-reading, Izabella mentions seeing Dita Von Teese do a striptease for Hef, and that they were bored because they'd seen her do it for him several times before. Makes me wonder about Bridget getting all upset and accusing Ditta of copying her routine when she did a striptease at Hef's birthday.

Thanks for not mentioning that. Jill Ann is quite the beast.

Note to Jill Ann; You coulda' been ugly for free, honey.

What a waste of cash.

When you think about it at 80 Hef is old enough to have a 60 year old child, a 40 year old grandchild a 20 year old GREAT grandchild and an infant GREAT GREAT grandchild.

So basically he's screwing women old enough to be his GREAT grandchildren. Now I skeeved myself out, saving all of you the trouble. YUK!

Obviously, it's appealing to some. Look at all the teachers who've gotten in trouble for screwing students lately.



That's good, because she's going to be changing Hef's any day now.

Ewwwww, Radicalmoderate you're right! I hadn't thought of the fact that he's old enough to be Kendra's GREAT grandfather! Ick! Ick! Ick!!

Totally random and off-topic - does anyone here watch "The View"? A few TGND episodes ago they went to NYC to do press for their pictorial and one of their stops was an appearance on "The View" - I would love to see a rebroadcast of that one - anyone see it?

I have to say I kinda like Bridget. She seems like a sweet genuine girl, who may be quite dimwitted. Well, she hasnt done anything that has made me think bad of her. Whats that funny looking black thing she has? Is it a cat or dog? Or a toy?

Kendra is possibly the most annoying person on television. (After Spencer from The Hills.) But oh my goodness. "I was like Daaaaaamnnnn." "Daaaammmmnnn". I think she seems far more interested in woman than she is in Hef.

Holly just freaks me out.

As I was reading this I was thinking of my elderly grandmother, and how she clings to her old routines and outdated accessories. Then I remembered Hef is actually a little bit older then my dear, sweet, pious grandmother. I am Holly's age! I'll never understand it, I suppose.



You're not the only one to pick up on that. It has been outright stated in some gossip columns, too. What better place to be an undercover lesbian than the Playboy Mansion?

Heh, Wednesday is a dog and is named after Wednesday from the Addams Family. But Bridget also has a black long-haired cat which looks remarkably similar to the dog.

I'm also curious about that View appearance - were the questions really as offensive as the girls claimed? If you don't want people asking questions/making judgments about your sex life, perhaps hooking up with Hugh Hefner and making promotional appearances is not the best way to go about it.

The gossip mill is spouting Hef is gonna settle down with Holly.

I will be interested to see THAT happen!

Kendra will be okay. She'll find a basketball or football player to latch on to. Who knows how Bridget will take to the changes. Ol' girl isn't stable.

See, I disagree. I think Bridget (and Kendra, too) have known all along that their time is limited and were just cashing in on it as long as they could. I think Bridget will be just fine.

I agree. Bridget can always do party planning, interior decorating, etc. Kendra-who cares. Holly is the one who has invested her very life essence into being Mrs. Hefner. If he chose Bridget over Holly, Holly would go psycho on them both and kill Bridget.

Bridget also has an education and can do something with it. Kendra is young enough to do a million different things, hell, so is Bridget.

Isn't Hef still legally married? I never understood why they didn't divorce.

Since Christine has control of the the PB purse, I figure that Hef never divorced because in the event of his death, he'd want his (ex)wife and children to have their fair share.

I would personally never hire her for party planning or decoration. This is the woman who FORGOT to let the staff know about the doggie birthday party so they could staff it. And this is a woman who sleeps in a Pepto pink bedroom in a canopy bed...at age 40.

The part of the article that surprised me was where we all of a sudden try to act like Holly has a legitimate job and call her a 'bikini model'.

I guess 'penis lube cleaner' just isn't market friendly as an employment term.

It certainly beats "Keeper of the baby oil"!

Actually, I think "Keeper of the Baby Oil" would be a better job title than "penis lube cleaner" although both apply.

And you both owe me a new keyboard because mine is now covered with Diet Dr. Pepper (which is much better than baby oil)

And if he chose Kendra, she'd probabally kill them (Hef and Kendra) both.

Oh man...I'd totally pay to see a double breakup episode right around sweeps, where Bridget and Kendra get their asses dumped and Holly starts lording around like queen of the manor.

I think Bridget would be fine. She has a good education, and seems to have ambition to do something besides laze around and look good, and I totally agree that she knows her time is limited. She got her alleged Playboy dream fulfilled by being in the magazine (twice, to boot), so I wouldn't be surprised if she felt there wasn't really anything left there for her anyway. Kendra, on the other hand? I could see her either going back to the pole, doing porn, or like someone mentioned a few posts ago, latching onto a football/basketball player for dear life. She does have the whole massage school thing going on for her, but I honestly can't see her rubbing down other people 8 hours a day for a good long while.

I think Holly will be bored with Hef if she's not competing for him. I know that sounds weird, but I think she'd be lost if she was just "the wife" and not "the #1 girlfriend".

Speaking of Playboy, color me shocked over Anna Nicole. Whoa. Since they are currently filming season 3, I wonder if ANS will be mentioned.

Please share with the class....is she on the cover or in the mag?

Anna Nicole Smith died. She was Playmate of the Year in 1993, so atlanta was wondering if her death will be mentioned on The Girls Next Door.

She died today............

They had a statement from Hef on CNN a while ago regarding her death--very tasteful and nice--saying she was a part of the Playboy family and meant a lot to him personally. I hope they don't use her funeral as another excuse for a GND episode.

I hope not either -- although I do wonder what kind of costume Bridgette would come up with for a funeral.

Pity Free, God help me, but I thought the same thing when I read:

What's GND? Although I think this season is already filmed so if we see anything it'd be till season 4 if there's one.

It's so wrong but that made me laugh.

Girls Next Door.

Am I the only one who thinks that Hef is only thinking about "settling down" with Holly because Kendra and Bridget are leaving? I gave Kendra 2 years maximum before she got bored and left and I think Bridget has gotten what she wanted from the situation which was to get into Playboy and maybe get her name known enough to apply for broadcasting jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if they both have planned to leave for awhile and Hef is planning to "settle down" to save face and possibly prolong the show.

They're still filming S3 -- they're doing an episode on Valentine's Day.

I'm more curious about what Kendra will do. Sleep in, show up late wearing her grill and a football jersey, get bored and either nod off (with post-production snoring noises) or sneak out.
My cynical old (but not as old as Daddy Baby Oil!) self thinks he's doing it so they have something to do during the third season.

RIP Anna Nicole

I thought the same thing, episode, funeral, costumes and all. Complete with Kendra commentary saying, 'I mean yeah its tragic and all but I don't see why I had to go. I didn't even know her, you know?'

I don't think he really means it and if he does its either to plug the next season or he's just too damn old and tired to keep finding young girlfriends and buying them cars to get them to stay while trying to pretend that they actually give a shit about him personally.

Maybe even Hef finally knows the jig is up.

I don't think I'd ever trust her interior design, but some of the things Bridget has come up with for presents were really cute. Kendra's 21st birthday gift comes to mind.

You are right -- that was really cute. I had mentioned in a post long, long, long ago that I had the wrapping/giving presents obsession in common with her. Ok - she isn't totally unemployable.

My opinion is that all these girls are just worthless! The only one I have a shred of a feeling for is Holy. Kendra reminds me of a younger version of a crack whore that prowls my downtown area. Bridgette needs to grow up, she's like 45 years old with a hot pink bedroom! Hugh should kick kendra and bridgette out. They are a waste of his money. At least Holly acts like she cares!

See I thought the commentary would be "So today we had to go to the funeral of our good friend Anna Nicole Smith because she, liked, you know...um died. Now she was in Playboy when I was in grammar school <donkey bray> but she was a really good friend of ours and it's like really sad. In fact, she was the one who inspired me to find a man with one foot in the bank and one in the grave. Granted, Hef isn't as old as the guy she wheeled around, but I guess I'm not half the pimp Anna was <donkey bray>. So, ummmm, yeah we're sad about our good friend Anna. Do you think they'll pimp out her casket?"

Everytime they do something with any former playmate (other than Barbi Benton of course!) they always describe her "a good friend".