Izabella said in her book that Bridget had a boyfriend at some point while she was living at the masion, even though she was still married. In fact, Izabella said that out of all the women who lived with Hef (can't remember if it was five or seven then), herself included, all of them except Holly either had another boyfriend or husband. They tried to keep this quiet, but one of the women besides Bridget--can't remember her name--was even married with a child and would go home perodically to visit her family. She would make some excuse to Hef.

I just bought Izabella's book today and started reading it! Although Jill Ann's was juicy, I felt as though I had to 'read between the lines' to get to the true parts. :P She seemed to be filled with a bit of hate and seemed like a stalker.

I just got to the part when Tina had left Hef (after getting her playboy bunny centerfold status). Holly always makes it seem like Tina "chose" her to be the new 'main' girlfriend, but as it reads in the book, nobody else was interested in it at the time, and Holly sortof forced her way into it. It also states that she studied Hef's likes and dislikes in microscope fashion, and modelled herself after each one. I can totally see Holly doing this, she seems a tad manipulative and driven in her task to be the next "Mrs. Hef." (that is, if he ever got a divorce, which he won't) :P

To quote Izabella: "This effort, which appeared predetermined to me, involved her physical transformation, mannerisms, adapting his interests and habits, and carefully examining what traits and characteristics he liked in other women and trying to adopt those as her own."

That statement kind of sums up my opinion of Holly, in total.

P.S. Interesting piece of gossip from the book! Hef RARELY lets them change their carpets (and the color must always be white, which quickly turns to urine/feces stained --pets), and only lets them paint their walls pink. :P Also, the entire interior of the mansion hasn't been changed since the 70's due to the fact that Playboy Enterprises wants to turn it into another "Graceland" after Hef's death. (Hef doesnt own the mansion, he pays Playboy Enterprises rent to stay there, and each room for each girl ranges from 8-25k monthly). In any case, Izabella infers that the entire place smells like a giant toilet because all of the fabrics are so soaked in urine, etc. :P No wonder why all the parties are usually completely outside!

I finally broke down and am reading Jill Ann's book. In all the pictures of "Amber" she looks exactly like Tiffany a.k.a. monkey girl. Am I missing something, or are they one and the same?

Yeah, I think Jill Ann changed names of most of the girls. She said she changed Holly and Bridget's names back though, when the show came out.

I remember on the first season when Holly said she was made in a factory just for Hef. I can see her studying all of his likes and dislikes too. And he will never get divorced it's cheaper to keep her.

I think that Bridgett really likes being there and loves Hef, I think Kendra is bored out of her mind, I think she thought there was going to be all of these wild parties and naked girls running around, not curfew at 9:00pm. On the episode when they were interviewing the girls for the hotel Kendra made the comment "Now this looks like the Playboy mansion"

Another interesting fact: the book stated that there were only 2 girls living at the mansion when Holly became the '#1 gf.' Also, remember when Bridget got her new car, and Holly was all "Oh, it wasn't that great. I am from Beverly Hills (or something like that) and I have seen those all of the time." I felt as though Holly was inferring that she grew up around wealth and was not impressed by it. She, in fact, reportedly from Oregon and did not grow up wealthy.

Not trying to sound like a commercial, but this book is a must-read! I find it MUCH more informative than Jill-Ann's book, and delves into how these girls became who they are.

Mimi: Btw, I don't find that Bridget loves hef, it seems as though she allied herself with Holly because of her association with hef. Iz reports that the two then systematically 'got rid' of the other girls one by one. (Remember now, Bridget came from trailer life, this life with Hef is more than likely her only shot).

Do the trio of bims have to pay Hef or PB rent? I don't see them being able to afford it. I thought the carpet in Bridget's room was pink, but I could be wrong. How many bedrooms and buildings does the place have? I remember them mentioning a 'Playmate House' and doesn't Kim have her own casa modelled after the main mansion?

Bridget (and all three of course) seem pretty messed up. I may have to see if the library has Izabella's book.

Not sure, but Kim's house is supposedly an exact replica of the mansion?! Hef supposedly pays Playboy for the rent on each room.

She makes it clear where she is really from. But she has been in Cali for quite sometime and I guess that's her saying since she's beeni there, she's used to seeing those things

Maybe i missed that epi (about oregon). :) The reason that I brought it up was that the way she acted when Bridget got the car reminded me of something the Iza had said in the book. Iza mentioned that anytime anyone got a present from Hef, that Holly would sneer and put the gift down.

I thought Holly mentioned at some point that she was from/grew up in Alaska...? Anyone willing to confirm/deny?

According to Wikipedia, and Holly's "official" website, Holly (real last name: Cullen) was born in Oregon, but relocated to Alaska due to her dad's job from the time she was 2-11. Then she went back to Oregon, where she lived until she moved to LA in 1999.

There's definitely something "off" about Holly. I mean, to completely transform yourself based on one person's preferences, is kind of weird. I am sure women do it all the time, but to the extent that she has had plastic surgery, and basically concocted this persona that is nothing but lies. It's sad actually. What will she do when Hef dies? Does she think she will inherit the PB empire? Because if so, she's even more delusional than I thought.

It will be interesting to see how everything with the Girls Next Door pans out over the next few years. Once the initial popularity of the show dies out, and it will, what will happen to the Girls? More interestingly, what do the other Girls *really* think of Holly?

Good question. I don't mean this in a crass way or to any way devalue Hef's life, but there is a little part of me that can't wait for the tell all books at least one of those girls is bound to publish after Hef dies.

I know! There's bound to be at least one that comes out of it. I just can't understand why these girls would trade away valuable years of their lives, years that they'll never be able to get back, to live in this strange world. From what we have seen, their contact with friends/family is minimal, and somewhat regulated by Hef. I just don't think that the fame/lifestyle is worth such a dear price.

I think it's obvious that Holly really cares for Hef but I think it's sad that she hates the fact that he dates others. I just wish Holly would expect more for herself instead of tolerating it. I read a lot of Holly bashing but I do think that she's very, very beautiful, well spoken, business minded and may be the only girlfriend to really love Hef as opposed to using him for a good time. I'm not saying I'd love it if my daughter lived life the way she does but compared to the other girls in Hef's life, I like Holly the most.

I liked Holly until I read Jill Ann's and Izabella's books. Now she just seems incredibly conniving and underhanded...and I can't help but question her motives a bit.

Agreed--that's why I respect Bridget and Kendra so much more. They've both said openly (or agreed with the statement), "Yeah, Hef's great, the lifestyle is awesome, but in five years? I probably won't be here for more than a Sunday visit and a party." (See: E! online videos.) I respect them so much more for not being deluded into thinking they'll be happily married to Hef with babies and duckies and kittens and pink vibrators. And such. Like some people we know.

I liked Holly until I read Jill Ann's and Izabella's books. Now she just seems incredibly conniving and underhanded...and I can't help but question her motives a bit.

I think you would be wiser to question Jill Ann and Izabella's motives

Graham: Perhaps, as I thought the same thing initially, but some of the things that has been said in those books just rings true to me. The examples of certain behaviors depicted in the book(s) set off lightbulbs in me when I think back to certain things the girls have said and done.

-- And as my grandmother (and Judge Judy :P) always said, "If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.. It's probably a duck." (silly analogy, but appropriate, in my opinion) :)

Yes, but how interesting is it that both books say basically the same thing? Are you implying that they are somehow "in cahoots" against Holly/PB? I think not. I am sure that Jill Ann and Izabella wrote their books to somehow launch some sort of career, no doubt about it, but that doesn't automatically mean that the contents of the book are completely untrue.

Likewise, just because Jill Ann and Izabella are famewhores doesn't mean that anyone else in this equation can't have questionable motives either. JMHO

I'm not entirely sure of the implications here, but I do question their motives as well. However, being that both gave the same thoughts about Holly moving in and backstabbing and conniving her way to the head girlfriend spot, I'm inclined to partially believe what they said.
Are Jill Ann and Izabella famewhores? Sure! Did they use their time with Hef to build on some sort of career or, at the very least, get their 15 minutes of fame? Sure! But I don't see how those factors have any bearing on Holly and Holly's behavior. I don't think it's a coincedence that they both gained the same impression of Holly.

I know Holly has this phoney delusional bitchface side to her that turns some people off...but I honestly can't hate on the gal.
She's truly grown on me this season, as the other gals have too.
Even if she is sneakilly plotting away to somehow snag some of Hef's millions, I think she's been very good for him and obviously seems to have some deeper feelings there. It's sorta pathetic that she openly fantasizes about marrying/having children with Hef at this point, but I still find her constant doting on him and working so hard to share his interests and act as his "ideal woman" to be oddly endearing.
Not to mention that she's worked very hard to represent Playboy well and conduct the regular mansion events and affairs in a very business-like and intelligent manner.
Plus, I actually admire her style. She so desperately tries to pull off classy/sexy in her wardrobe, and I think it mainly works for her.

I must give Hef kudos for picking these three ladies for his girlfriends/tv ho's, btw---they're all so different and oddly charming that it's easy to see why they ended up being profiled for a reality show.

I do watch this show and I am new to this thread but I have a few questions: Is it implied (or said outright) that Hef has sex every night, but with a different girl? Or does Holly get more time with Hef as she is number one girl?

What is stranger to all you ladies out there? Sharing your boyfriend or having a boyfriend that is 55 (at least) years older than you? There are 60 years between Hef and Kendra!

Holly=delusional

Bridget= a sweet soul who will be outta there in a few years

Kendra= fun time gal who will be outta there in a few years

Why would Holly want to have a baby with a man who is 80? Think of the kid! Oh that's right, she is not thinking of the kid she is thinking of herself.

Holly might just be telling Hef what he wants to hear (marriage, devotion, having his babies) and not really mean it based on the reports of scheming/modeling herself after Hef's ideal woman. She's a hard one to figure out - I'm not convinced she's delusional, more that she's just playing a part to get something she wants - money? tv time? ??

You'll probably want to read back a little in the thread because Hef's sex life is kind of complex. He has sex twice a week with a collection of girls, including the girlfriends, playmates, wannabes, etc. It is possible he has sex with Holly more often, but it isn't like a polygamous relationship where they take turns.

Ever since Izabella's book came out it seems Holly has been more vocal about what happened to the group of 7. I don't remember her just out and out saying "I got rid of them" or I brought in Bridget and Kendra" until the last 3 or 4 episodes.

I agree that she is hard to figure out. I don't think she's delusional, I think she's very shrewd. I mean, she basically studied and molded herself into Hef's model girlfriend. Now what she wants from that, I'm not entirely sure.

The joke is on her then because I think she accidentally molded herself into the new Monkey girl.

I thought it was hilarious that the emcee at the comedy show said "You might remember her from Growing Pains!" about the Comic Bunny. Yea - if you remember her for that at all it is because when Alan Thicke (the GP exec. producer) found out she had posed nude she was immediately fired and replaced and the media picked up the story and ran with it. She was on what 2 episodes? Yea...those bunnies...wildly successful after showing off their goods....except not. She stuck me as a semi-stalker the way she followed Hef to Arby's. I bet she had/has huge drug problems - her communication skills seemed strangely off and Hef didn't seem that warm to her.

I had to agree with the girls when they were complaining about the diet, etc. If I bought the exercise video** it would be to see how they get/keep the figures they have now. Not what happens when they crash diet and exercise for 3 weeks.

** Not going to happen.

Don't you mean, when the public found out? You can't tell me that perv didn't know from the start. Or maybe I am mixing him up with Bob Saget. Now I don't know.

I am still questioning the logic of eating platters of nachos, mozzarella sticks, etc, etc, then watching a 2-hour comedy show, then eating mountains of food at Arby's -- the night before you are supposed to film an exercise video. Morons. I noticed the show was sponsored by Arby's, I hope that can explain a little of the stupidity.

I thought Kirk Cameron was the one who got that girl fired?

Anyway, I love Bridget even more after tonight's episode and her aversion to dieting. That's my girl!

I suspect that was some creative editing.

Mmmmmm ... it's been awhile since I've had an Arby's chicken cordon blu thingie. Those are pretty tasty. If they still make them.

I haven't been to Arby's in a while...but after watching the gals chow down on all that greasy goodness, I sure am getting hankerings for those awesomely huge curly fries, a jamocha shake and a cheddar roast beef sandwich from there now---good idea with the sponsorship there, Arby's!

Somehow I always knew Bridgette wasn't a diet sorta gal...she's always snacking on sugary goodies and is the curviest one of the girls, after all. Something tells me she's no stranger to the benefits of lipo either; I know *I* sure can't eat as much as I used to without it hitting my figure harder as soon as I hit age 30, so I'm honestly wondering how she keeps herself svelte otherwise.

And save for the bolted on plastic boobs, Kendra's body is truly a work of art. Wowza!

Also, I totally remember that sad playboy chick who did the standup comedy routine from an episode of "Golden Girls", when she played some knocked up teenager. Kinda sad that her acting career ended up going down the toilet thanks to being in Playboy back in the 80's, before it was as acceptable as it is now.

No, Julie McCoullough was a recurring character who was famously fired due to Psycho Kirk Cameron's born-again convictions, once he'd found out she'd posed for Playboy. AFAIK it had nothing to do with Alan Thicke. She was *gorgeous* back in the day(she's still pretty IMO but I think she should lose the bangs--she's been rocking those for awhile) and very popular with the audience--they tried to fire her quietly (and they only fired her because Psycho Kirk was forcing them to) but the audience demanded to know WTH happened so they had to stick in some kind of lame explanation.

I thought she got screwed, bigtime. (And it was nice to see her again--I think she's had a a longterm relationship with Playboy ever since and has done some other gigs with them.) Can you tell I can't stand Kirk Cameron? And I'm a Christian!

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I couldn't agree more. I despise this guy. He's on all the Christian channels encouraging kids that Jews, and anybody else not affiliated with Christianity is a heathen. Ugh.. he has numerous programs trying to convince kids the logic of creationism by showing clips of actual people explaining evolution, then explaining how stupid their arguments are.

Anyway... does anybody know how much plastic surgery Holly has gotten over the years? I think it's all starting to show, shes got that weird taut skin on her face look. Very scary indeed.

I totally remember her from Growing Pains, she was the babysitter that Mike was schtupping.

Yeah..doesn't she leave him at the alter during a season finale..and that was how she was written out of the show..?

He needs to call Mel Gibson and STFU!



And she was replaced by the girl who is the current Mrs. Cameron IIRC.



But, it has been an improvement up to a point, because in those pics JillAnn published Holly was seriously fugly. She just needs to stop now.

You guys must be correct - I was just going on my fuzzy memory.

Seriously? Who knew? What a tool.

An online aquaintance of mine met him at work while doing some sort of media publicity event and confirmed that he's an asshole. I seem to recall he gave her a fake $10,000 bill with some evangelical spiel (I think it's the Chick tract of the new millenium or something). Alas, I didn't watch Growing Pains enough to remember the characters on that show.

Was there a new GND this past weekend?

I'm a born-again Christian and I cringe when I hear stories like these. Kirk could have handled the situation a million different ways that would have been better. Anyway...

How many former Playmates have really gone on to legit success? I'm not talking about little movie roles where they supply the T&A quotient or Boobwatch, but are respected professionally? Kelly Monaco is about the only one and it's probably because she doesn't have that typical white-blond hair Playboy look. Also, she wasn't that famous as far as PMs go like Pam Anderson, Jenny McCarthy, etc. Why do a lot of women wanting to break into acting feel that this will give them their big break? I'm just really curious as to the thought that goes behind it. A lot of former PMs become trophy wives so perhaps that's the goal??

Kendra seriously needs to do something to her hair. She needs some low-lights to help soften and flatter her brittle looking hair.

Do they really think their perfumes and exercise DVDs are going to sell well? I'm having a hard time imagining who their customer is.

I'm ashamed to admit that I'm mildly interested in their exercise video...I wouldn't mind learning how to properly tone up a'la Kendra, booty-shaking and all.

I'd get it just to see what it looked like. Holly's segment looked more my speed. Kendra's was kinda strange- like this crazy MTV dance video my friend got for Christmas 10 years ago with these all over the place dance moves nobody could keep up with meets Taebo on Crack. It was probably just the editing though. And Bridget's reminded me of a Kathy Smith's Ultimate Stomach and Thigh video my sister had back in the day.

Ha, only any devoted (aka obsessed) E! True Hollywood Story watcher! ;-) Check out the Growing Pains one - it is all about how Kirk turned off the whole cast with his beliefs and antics, and then wrote a letter to the network heads how the producers were endorsing porn - because they like wrote a scene where he is bed with a girl & then the camera backed away & showed it was in a school play. And he didn't like that his tv girlfriend had keys to his tv apt - things like that.

There is a huge thing in the E! Story about Julie & how Kirk got her fired, and the audience hated it, and so the show wanted her to come back on for her character to basically "explain why she had to go" which she found so insulting. Good stuff!! Ha ha.

http://cache-origin.eonline.com/On/Holly/G...owingpains.html

I loved Bridget's segment for the exercise video. Any video that requires the viewer to hear about eating pizza and other treats while doing half-assed aerobics is OK in my book. I also liked how she put her foot down about dieting.

So was sponsoring the exercise video Arby's contribution to fighting obesity in America..? (Like how McDonald's put out a salad with a step-o-meter/calorie counter. )

ITA! She has beautiful eyes, a pretty face, and a killer body... But I cant see past that white straw on top of her head. Oh and she REALLY needs to clean her room.

I agree but my guess is that they don't have a choice about their hair color. I know Hef supposedly "prefers blondes" (whatever - dumbest marketing ploy ever) but if you look at all of the blond girlfriends of recent years they've all been in the same shade range. I'm sure they're contractually obligated not to do anything to they hair themselves. My guess? Hef kicks it and Kendra suddenly has blue streaks in her hair.

Hef mentioned he was in his "Platinum Blonde" period..like Picasso's Blue period, during Season 1 when they were pimping the show in New York.

Bridgette's hair is a lot better looking shade of blonde too me. It's light, but not platinum. JillAnn's book talks about the processing that the hair has to go through to get to that light of a shade, and it's not a pretty process. No wonder it's more like straw than hair.

Kendra would still be able to have hers in better shape if she tried-- my guess is that she's too lazy to deep condition it or anything. Look at Holly's hair, it's the same shade as Kendra's but it looks a lot healthier (granted, they would both look much better with darker hair).

And Jenny McCarthy almost didn't her spot on Singled Out because she was a Playmate! She had to fight for it hard in the auditions.

I don't think Playboy has ever truly helped a career, and that's why Hef has so many "Playboy ambassadors" and hangers-on to this day.

Speaking of hangers-on, that Bentley twin was not cute. She looked like a shell of her former self. I'm surprised Hef chose her, especially since she wouldn't even get into a bikini. She had no personality and looked very worn. I wonder if she's on drugs.