bmb654 - Good to see another Illini alumna/i.

Sorry...went to Northwestern, where Hef did graduate study in sociology!

I compare the anniversary episode to "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas." Holly, in 2 seasons, has never let her robotic demeanor down. When she started crying when Hef read the card I saw her as the Grinch when his heart grows 3 times when he hears the Whos singing. Who knew she had it in her to be so emotional? She was also so nurturing towards the animals too. Did she have a chip replaced or something? Who knew?

Bridget, as always, was so thoughtful. Of all the girls, I'd like her to be my pal.

I laughed when Kendra was talking about getting a card for Hef and then she was shown sleeping on the bed. She is SOOOO not into getting gifts of any kind for anyone, even getting a card zapped her energy.

I sort of took Holly crying when Hef was reading the card out lout at the anniversary dinner a little differently. As robotic as Holly can be, I actually was not surprised she cried over that. In a way, I expected it because I believe she probably thinks crying over how in loooove she is with her Baby Puffin, especially in front of everyone, would somehow prove that her love was more real or sincere than anyone else's, including the serious girlfriends he had in the past (e.g., Barbie Benton). They also seemed borderline crocodile tears, too. I don't know... perhaps that's just the cynic in me.

Was I the only one that found it weird that they had all of those girls at that anniversary dinner? I mean, I'm all up for celebrating it with other people, but with the reading of the cards and talking about how much they mean to each other... I thought it would be incredibly weird to be a guest/witness to that. (Unless it was a wedding where that is pretty much expected.) Heck, some of them actually did look uncomfortable and like they were asking themselves, "Why the hell am I here watching and listening to this?" when Hef and Holly were getting all lovey dovey and emotional. It seems like it should've been more private. Then again, I guess nothing with these people is private.


And she probably got it from that folder full of greeting cards they keep in one of the offices, no less (that's where she got Wednesday's birthday card).

Don't forget about the Christmas gift bag she got from the office for the baby shower! That just shows how incredibly selfish and immature she is and it shows the people she is giving the card/gift to that she doesn't think anything of them either.

It's ok Shelleysue, we'll always have each other

Maybe the anniversary party was held on one of Hef's 2 sex nights in lieu of clubbing. Just because it's their anniversary doesn't mean that Hef isn't going to get his.

Kendra is watching her coin pretty closely these days, what with the monthly payments on that kick-ass-wigger-wannabe-jock-fucker-rap lapper-grill she's sporting.

Oh, and this is just random, but I spit Coors Light all over my keyboard when the coupon advertisement above this forum was at that moment pimpin' The Olive Garden. How perfect is that? Squee!

She probabally has no idea what to give Hef. I bet if she was buying a gift for 3 6 Mafia or Terell Owens she'd know what to buy or at least give an effort. She could always call the grill master for them.

I like Bridget the best and I hope she gets out of that house and finds a nice guy in her age range. Did she finish her second Masters? I don't watch the show that inconsistantly. Bridget is definately the most thoughtful and caring of the women. Kendra's so obviously there just for free rent and meals. lol! I still think Holly's the only one who Hef is actually getting it on with. K & H are just surrogate daughters.

She would do well to remember what happened to the last Monkey Girl who thought Hef would make her a mother.

She already has a nice guy in her age range -- her current husband.

I rewatched last night -- I needed a break. I cannot get over the ridiculousness of the fact that Bridgette went to the circus dressed like a five year old complete with big red bows on her pig tails.

Is Bridget married? I don't know much about these chicks other than what I see on the show. What's up with her? I wonder what her husband thinks? What's the scoop?

I think the anniversary epi was the first one where we saw the real Holly. I thought it was very sweet how caring she is with all of the animals at the mansion... but the epi left me feeling kind of sad for her, and the others. I think underneath all the bleached hair and fake boobs, you have some women who are still sort of childlike with low self esteem (well, Kendra seems to have self-esteem). living with Hef, no matter what sick crap goes on in the bedroom, well, I have a feeling it is a lot more nurturing and stable environment than what they have experienced in the past. I actually wonder what will become of Holly after Hef passes....if he truly cares about her, he will leave her something. I have a feeling brig and kendra will be fine... brig can go back to her husband or use her degrees and kendra can shake her ass

I thought that was hilarious. I think Bridgette is a nice woman and seems very caring about other people, but she is TOO OLD to wear pig tails with ribbons as a hairstyle. It makes her look weird not cute.

I'm still wondering what the heck they were doing at the circus in the first place. Seems like a very un-Playboy like place to go. But then, it seems like the girls are going to kid-oriented places these days, what with the pumpkin patch also.

Well, Kendra IS pretty immature...

QueenBee78

self esteem issues for the husband? Take her back after she was with the cryptkeeper and crew? Maybe if he was really bad to her before and they want to make a fresh start. Otherwise that would really be screwed up.

well, I am assuming that he is ok with this...I am thinking that he is fine with it because of all of the "benefits" she does get--education paid for, doesn't she have a clothign line or something (or did I imagine that)? Otherwise, why wouldn't you divorce??? Especially on her end, if she is starting to earn $$ (hosting, clothing line, etc) if she is married and divorces after she would have to fork over half (right?).....so I am assuming there is some understanding or agreement, albeit a very twisted unhealthy one.....

I find this hilarious when she does this, but maybe it is because it is something I do. My friends joke that I never shop for anything, and they are mostly right. For example, if it is someone’s birthday and someone is going shopping to buy a gift, I give them money and go in on the gift with them. If there is a card involved and my name is written on it, you can bet someone else wrote my name on it. I can be standing there when people are signing it and I’ll have someone else write my name on it.

This does not make me a shitty friend. It makes me someone who hates to shop. I chip in for the gift, I just don’t go to the store and buy it. And yes, I reuse gift bags. The last gift bag I gave had someone else’s name on it. My friends actually found it funny.

I certainly do not consider myself selfish or immature, and neither do my friends.

I don't find that action selfish or immature at all. I'm sure everyone in that Mansion uses those cards and gift bags. She goes to these "parties" because she is told to, not because she wants to. I doubt she knew Victoria as closely as the others did, so I understand why she didn't think about the perfect card.

I hate to admit this, but I'm on the Kendra wagon here. I, too, reuse gift bags (although I try to match them to the ocassion). I do care for the person on the receiving end, I just happen to think wrapping is pretty trash. Expensive, pretty trash! So, I never waste a perfectly good gift bag, when it can be reused.

And I don't think she would be this uninterested if these were her real friends or people she actually cares about. These are mostly obligations, not friends, and as it has been said before, she seems to be getting fed up with the whole scenario. It just makes her unmotivated and bored, not necessarily selfish or immature.

I come from a long line of people who reflexively open wrapped gifts very carefully because seconds after the wrapping is lose, Grandma or Mom will swoop in a start folding the paper so it can be reused. We have bows that my sisters and I joke about -- trying to guess what year they probably went into circulaiton (1967? 1971?) As long as the occasion matches (or your friends and family are OK with it) there is no problem - etiquette or otherwise - with reusing perfectly good wrapping supplies (Although my family goes a little too far with this.)

I think cuca10 hit the nail on the head though -- there is no disguising Kendra's sense of obligation and using inapproprite gift wrapping is her way of playing the Playboy PR game, passive aggressively. It is her way of saying 'I don't care about these people.'

For Bridgette (and me, hee!) the wrapping is part of the gift sometimes. I once wrapped a book I had purchased for a friend in a fake book cover that I made myself. It was a job search book for her field (environment) and the fake cover was 'How to be a Ho' by Mike Hunt. She liked the wrapping more than the actual gift -- so much she framed it and put it on her wall.

But Kendra has other things on her mind -- she is trying to figure out how to bag a rapper or sports star without too much delay after Holly wakes up next to Hef's corpse.

And I remember that episode where they went to Vegas to celebrate the one playmate's birthday, she bought a nice gift...even though she then lost it, and had to buy some cheap stuff from the airport. But it's the thought that counts, right?? So, I'm on Kendra's side on this, too.

Or how to land a sugarmama. I'm with jhaefele, I think the girl is gay. She should so try to hook up with Missy Elliot.

I think Bridget has used her time at the mansion to become the "Julie McCoy" of the house. She could probably get hired as an event planner somewhere.

I don't think Holly has a contingency plan.

What's interesting to me is how romanticized Hef's relationship with Holly has become, when Izabella says in her book that Holly really got the postion by default. No one else was really interested in it, and Hef's attraction to Holly at the time was marginal. I know this could be sour grapes and Hef could have since grown to really care for Holly, but I can't quite get past the image I have of Holly as very calculating. Two women who were at the mansion have described her as studying Hef like a science project and trying to affect all the mannerisms and traits he likes (not to mention the physical attributes, most of them through surgery). So I guess I'm a skeptic. I don't think this is a love story by any means, and I think most of the feelings Holly has developed for Hef are linked to power and the almighty dollar.



According to Izabella, Bridget is married and her husband lives in North Carolina. He agreed to give her one year to "make it" in the entertainment industry and to continue to financiallly support her. Given that she has now been there more than a year, I don't know the status.

Izabella disliked Bridget the most and said she believed Bridget to be the most manipulative and disingenous of the women she lived with. She said Holly was difficult to deal with at times but at least she was straight up about it, whereas Bridget would go behind her back and cry to Hef and try to elicit sympathy for perceived transgressions (perhaps similar to Bridget's crying jag after the first Playboy pictorial, in which Holly and Kendra posed in the shower without her).

What's funny about this is that this gift was actually stolen by one of the chicks that was with them on this trip, which was mentioned several pages back by someone who saw them talk about this on the DVD, I believe.

Holly would be so much better off finding some rich guy to marry. She could get a nicer house, bigger allowance, and babies from someone else probably without the weekly group-sex requirement. Hef is 80. There is going to be no happily ever after with him, and she needs to face that. Now that she's been in Playboy, I think she should move on (once she's no longer contractually obligated to stay). I like Holly, and I do think she cares for Hef. If she's serious about having a family, he is not the man for her.

I just watched the Dr. Drew episode. It made me hope that Holly would call his radio show anonymously and ask him if she should stay with the 80-year-old man that kinda pressures her to have anal and makes her use baby oil as lube, which, ok, causes yeast infections and stuff, but still isn't really that bad because he gives them drugs before the whole thing, which is very considerate, right? And that she doesn't really like that he insists on having relationships with other women, and demands that she be friends with the other women and participate in group sex with the other women, and doesn't use condoms, but still, it's really special that she's the one to wipe the bodily fluids off him after he fucks the other girls, because only the number 1 girl does that, and really, genital warts are not that hard to treat and a fair price to pay to live in a mansion, even if it is rented and smells like animal piss. Besides, she loves the ol' coot, really, they're made for each other, and she just hopes that if she lets him go through this "phase" he's been going through for 50 years (except for the part when he married his wife who he never did actually divorce and allows to live on the property) he'll realize she's the woman for him, dump all the other girlfriends, and agree to have a baby with her despite the fact that he is going to die or become incapacitated within the next 10-15 years, which will leave her a widow and the single parent to a small child.

Yeah, I REALLY wish she would do that. Dr. Drew would deliver the mother of all smackdowns. (Oddly enough, until I wrote all that out, I didn't really realize how fucked up their relationship is).

It sounds like Bridget is more screwed up than I thought. I still believe she's not getting it on with Hef so I guess if her and her husband have an agreement that would allow her to live at the mansion as long as no messin' around is happening, then whatever. I guess if he knows she just using this as PR and I don't guess the occasional peck kisses she has to give Hef qualify as cheating (she kisses him as she would kiss her grandpa). Kendra is also sooo not getting it on with Hef. Theses chicks are only arm-candy. At least these two obviously have no romantic feelings towards him. They are all using each other--Hef: to look like an old stud and the girls: free rent, meals, publicity, etc.

One thing I noticed about this anniversary episode is that Holly wasn't harping on having Hef's babies as much as before. Or maybe they edited those parts out. Could she finally be getting a clue that maybe she needs to move on?

How twisted is it that Hef still keeps his ex's photo in the living room? If I was hooking up with a divorced guy, the photos of his ex would be convenientely stashed in a dark drawer, faster than right away. Unless, there were young children involved, which is not the case here.

Ah, Holly, not only she has to share her boyfriend with other skanks, she also has the pressure of the never-forgotten-ex-wife! What an amazing life she lives!

Atlanta, I agree! I have never thought that Bridget or Kendra are actually sleeping with Hef. He just likes the PR and the Playboy'ish idea of multiple hot blondes. It became his "thing" several years ago and he's sticking with it.
I am curious if anyone knows if this is true - I can't imagine Holly putting up with Hef having sex with the other two. And even if she has to, I can't imagine Holly being so friendly with sexual competition. Also, Hef is too old to be doing three chicks at a time. Period.

Hef has pictures and momentos from all his past girlfriends all over the house, not just Kim but Barbie and others. Holly has to feel liks shit when she has reminders of her place in Hef's life, just another one of the 100's of girlfriends he's had in this lifetime. If you look in the background of a Hef-bed shot, you can see the headboard/shelf is FULL of trinkest, gee-gahs, and what clearly looks like gifts, pictures, etc. from ex's. Many of them just cheap junk. Hef apparently never throws anything away.

The Mighty Peanut: you kick ass. Dr. Drew would eviscerate her. He didn't seem too thrilled with TGND in his studio, either.

Does Holly ever wear pants? She's definitely studied him like a science experiment like sweetea said.

Hef is STILL MARRIED. Too bad we can't have a FAQ here. We could include stats on what percentage of us think Hef's screwing all three. Jillann's book convinced me: there is no way Hef would allow a bunch of freeloaders there without sex.

Holly must be infinitely pissed that Hef likes Kendra so much. The shenanigans she must have pulled to get rid of all the other girls would make a beauty pageant look tame.

Smart of Hef, though, since we all know he hates condoms and isn't wanting to get Holly pregnant. I would be really surprised if he hasn't had something snipped.

Dr. Drew has mentioned on his show that when some people hit their Golden Years they are going to be sorry they were so rough with their anuses when they were younger.

plain, haven't a lot of playmates lived at the mansion without being his gf though? It seems I remember Jenny McCarthy mentioning living there for a time when she was trying to make it as an actress and I don't believe she was ever one of his girlfriends. Brande Roderick (who used to be a "gf") and Donna D'Errico have both made comments that the multiple girlfriend thing is just for show, so who knows? I guess we'll all find out once Hef kicks the bucket. I can't help but imagine him dying during sex with Holly a la that Kirstie Alley movie where the guy has a heart attack during sex. I can't remember the name of it right now. Also, in Private Benjamin, didn't her brand new husband die during sex? I guess that's all a bit morbid.

I noticed they had the baby shower in a separate 'Playmate House'? What's up with that? How many houses are on the grounds because doesn't Kimberly Conrad have her own casa on the property?

The Playmate House is across the street from the Mansion while Conrad's house is next door. The Game House is on the actual property of the Mansion.

I'm not an expert, but I don't think they were there for as long as official girlfriends are/were. To be an "official girlfriend," with the necklace from Hef, I believe you gotta give it up. Gross.

I too am hoping that Holly is keeping a diary hidden in all the clutter somewhere and publishes a tell-all. Of course, we'll all continue debating about the sex thing, no matter what she writes! :)

plain , you are right, Hef is married, and I knew it from before. Sorry. I got my words all mixed up, what I mean is that even though they are no longer together, she still is all over the place.

As for the sex... according to Jillann, it's not full intercourse, but like 2 minutes each girl. I suppose that Hef would be capable (all Viagrated, of course) to get it up for at least 6 minutes. After all, he HAS to be getting something back for the free rent, food, clothes, etc!

Eeewwww! That visual of mini-sex with Hef makes my skin crawl. I will have nightmares now. lol!

Also, who is Jillann? Is she a former Playmate?

I'm wondering this also. Did she write a book or something? Or is the info from an interview?....oh, nevermind, I just looked upthread and saw it's a book. I'm pretty interested in reading it now, though.

Jill Ann was really more a hanger-on than anything else. She got published on the website but never made it to the magazine. She claims it's because she wouldn't have sex with Hef and he thereafter banned her from all the mansion parties, but it was probably because she looks like Casper, the skanky ghost and while Hef might have hit it, he sure as hell wouldn't publish it for the world to see.

That kind of mars her credibility with her book. It seems like she has an axe to grind. I looked up 'Jillann' on Yahoo and dang, that gal ain't purty at all. She's an ugly version of Holly.

GAHHH! I looked her up, too. More like a manly version of Holly. Yuk, at least Flavor Flav won't be in my nightmares tonight, though.

Ah, but you MUST look at the pictures in Jillann's book. Don't read it unless you have a few extra braincells you need to murder. But the photos... talk about an ugly version of Holly... this being Holly herself, pre-surgery, I assume. Girlfriend was way fugly.

Jillann is a woman who has been stalking the Mansion for years. She spent 72 hours there a few years ago and decided that she had enough information to write a tell all.

Cuca :) OK, I'll stop with the smilies already.

One of the things from Jillann's book that keeps floating around in my tiny brain is how easily she got to visit & stay at the mansion. She said that Hef reads every personal letter that is sent to him, and he even wrote back to her a few times.

I re-watched the latest ep (is that it for the season or what?) and although Hef goes to great lengths to hide it, he's got a tremor going in his left hand.

Also, he tends to crack a joke and then turn away grimacing when Holly gets heavy-handed about engagement rings, etc. She's like a mini-control freak who pulls stuff like this in front of other people.

So Holly can change her own diapers after changing Hef's...

I have to admit Holly seems like she is so over Kendra and Bridget. You can tell she wants them gone. But I think that she needs to worry about Kendra slipping in and taking the #1 position

I agree. But I sort of like the relationship (although God knows how real or faked/edited it is) between Bridget and Kendra. Especially in the Europe episodes where Holly kept staying back at the hotel with Hef and it was just the two of them. They did seem pretty happy and genuine at that place in Spain where they were dancing and then in the limo squiffy. It's nice to see somehow, considering how ovbiously fake so much of the show is (like reusing the footage from S1 of Bridget getting up super early to go to Vegas, when they were showing the girls getting ready for bed "upset" after the baby shower in S2).

Also, as a gay gal, Kendra does ping my 'dar, and not in a "will play with the girls for show or for fun" way.

I think she might have alreay been moved into the #1 position if it weren't for Holly's hosting/training/PR role. She's like an ambassador for Playboy Enterprises. Kendra would never have the interest or the patience to teach the 'Bunny Dip' and other rabbit protocol.