I think Bryant got canned because Kendra was always flirting with him.

I thought the same thing JennDear. I was like I wonder if Kendra is getting it on with that butler. I liked Bryant he was one of the few people I actually enjoyed on that show.

An interesting interview with Izabella St James about her new book, from last week's UK Mail on Sunday (I don't visit any other GND boards anymore, so repost if you want):
One Two Three Four

Wow! I'm surprised at how many of the details are similar to the other stories we've heard, including the infamous Jill-Ann. And here we were told by Holly and others that those stories weren't true........HMMMMM.

Wow-that sounds almost exactly like Jill-Anns book. I'm almost sorry I laughed at her writing a book about her non-girlfriend experience-almost. I am not sure how people can think the mansion is intoxicating,though.

Yikes! It really *does* sound almost identical to Jill Ann's account. Creepy...

I wonder if Jill Ann and this Izabella are in any way connected.

Ewww.....I can't imagine that ANYONE is connected to that psycho, Jill-Ann. She is truly delusional.

If he is in fact gone, I doubt it was because of flirtation. It's mostly likely because Playboy no longer has the money to operate the Mansion at the level of excessiveness it once was.

I can imagine we'll see either a book"Bryants Bewilderment-A True Life Story Of Playboy Behind The Scenes" or he will have his own show on E! or Bravo. He got way too much interest here and on the E! boards to just vanish.

The weirdest thing about the whole Jill Ann book was that she basically wrote it as a "tell all" as to how horrible life really was behind the scenes at the mansion, and how the girls were nothing more than sex slaves for Hef. However, I thought that even after the book she *still* continued to try to get in to the mansion via parties, etc.
If it really is so bad, then why does she want to be a part of it?

I just don't know what to believe - Jill Ann/Izabella's version of things (which is eerily identical) or that these women are just fabricating a juicy story to make money and sell books and tarnish the PB image.

Re: Bryant
I remember when he posted on the E! boards. Maybe he got in trouble for that?

Maybe posting on the E! boards was the death of his job. But he sure was entertaining-and I don't remember him posting anything more than what Kendra's family did?

I guess I don't understand why people don't believe these accounts of life at the mansion. Is it because Holly, Bridget and Kendra seem like "normal, nice girls" who wouldn't do that sort of thing? Cuz normal, nice girls don't have an 80-year-old boyfriend that they share with two other women. And most normal women I know would object to a 9:00 curfew. There is clearly something wrong with these women, and some severe self-esteem issues happening here.

I understand that some people think this was maybe Hefner's lifestyle in the past, and he now just keeps these girls around to maintain his image, and I agree that with age his libido has (hopefully) diminished. But he has been such a nasty control freak for so long, I find it hard to believe it's just gramps and the girls sharing the mansion.

Kendra, Holly and Bridget are doing something to earn the wardrobe budget, trips to the salon, new Porsche, massage school, plastic surgery, room and board, etc, etc. If they're not doing it with him, they're doing it with each other for his enjoyment. He seems like the kind of guy who's fighting growing old with every fiber of his being, so I would imagine he still likes to fancy himself and his sex life the way they were 20 years ago.

How does it tarnish the reputation of Playboy to find out that Hef actually pays women to live with him and have sex with him just like Hef himself says he does? I don't understand. Isn't that kind of the Playboy image? That if you make enough money you can have the women in the magazine, the stereos and other stuff in the magazine, and live the lifestyle they champion?

Hef used to be able to maintain the illusion that he was sexually attractive to these women, now that it's clear that he's not, it looks sick and twisted or as in The Girls Next Door one big joke on everyone involved.

I've heard much worse about what happens in the Playboy mansion.

I just realized that Holly is the girl who has to wipe off Hef's penis inbetween rounds. That's love!

Well, I hope Bryant landed on his feet, wherever he is. I really liked him, and it's sad to think that he's just another face in an endless stream of people who need money that Hef capitalizes on. I mean, I know that's the way of the world and all, but geez. At least they aren't rubbing his memory in the dirt by saying, "Bryant was fired because he made a face when Kendra deliberately messed up his uniform. Again."

Thanks for the scans of that article! I bet Mary tells them what to write for that nice airheaded consistency, lawyer degree or no.

And NH, ewwww... but at least he gets wiped between! OK, I'm going to sick up now.

I always thought the image of Playboy was one of the swinging bachelor living a carefree life, bedding the quintessential "girls next door", a la Hef in the 70's/80's. I wouldn't consider *paying* for sex with women who are basically there to collect a paycheck for services rendered part of the original image Hugh Hefner was going for when he started the magazine.

If the Jill Ann/Izabella versions are true, then no, I don't think they jive with the traditional "Playboy image".



Hee! Yes, I believe Holly is supposed to the "baby oil girl" of Jill Ann's book who wipes Hef off and dispenses the oil. Gross...

Well,Pam did say the baby oil was flying on the E! True Hollywood Story-and someone has to take care of the mess now that Bryant is gone. But ewwwww guys!

Well, there goes lunch.

I know the Jill Ann book was online, but I can't find it via the old E! board links. I am really curious about it now - any ideas where I can read it?

On the newest episode (where they're shooting the pictorials) during the scene with Hef and the 3 girls on the bed discussing the pictures, did anyone else note the giant bottle of Johnson & Johnson's baby oil in the background? I was shocked, I figured that Hef had stopped doing all the sex stuff that Jill Ann/Izabella said since he's so darn old now..... guess I was wrong. Holly must reallly be the baby oil girl lol.

But since the 90s Hef's basically said he keeps a harem at the mansion, right? Did people think they were doing volunteer geezer fucking for the Junior League or something? And before then, all the women who hung out at the mansion were paid, right? I think basically keeping a stable of women to screw has been the Playboy image all along.

Izabella said she came to a party and saw baby oil girl Holly and got a little sick? I wonder if Izabella is in the background of any of the parties from Season 1.

when they were taking the pictures for Holly's pictorial, Bridget showed some cellulite on her bottom! That was kind of nice to see 'cause it made me feel better about myself. But, really, that girl can't pass for the age she wants to be with the crows feet and other wrinkles. I really feel bad for that girl.

Compared to Bridget, Holly to me looks pretty young. Sophisticated and classic, but young.

ok, I hate to point out other people's so-called imperfections, but Bridget's nose and facial expressions were hard to ignore in tonight's new episode. She had this look on her face like she smelled something

I shrieked, "OMG there's a giant fucking bottle of baby oil!! GROSS!"

The only thing worse than seeing that would be a half-full bottle of oil.

Holly looked strung out on something the whole episode.

Kendra: "I was feeling less nervous this time---oh, wait, I was feeling more nervous." I think Kendra needs more time to process her thoughts before speaking.

It's a low-class thing. Has she gotten a tramp-stamp yet?

One doesn't have to be intimate with someone to have sex with them.
I can't imagine it continuing after Hef dies. heck, Playboy is pretty much irrelevant now, is it not?

OK, is it my imagination, or does Holly look different, like maybe she had even *more* work done in the off-season? I couldn't put my finger on it, but something about her definitely looked different. I love how she always has to put herself just one step above the other girls. Last night it was the quips about how she should work for Playboy and be the editor or something like that. Unreal... On a side note, what exactly is the tattoo on Holly's back supposed to be? I couldn't make out what the shape was.

And Bridget's sourpuss faces were priceless. She could give Gizmo a run for his (her?) money!



I disagree. I don't think the original "Playboy image" was a harem of women who are paid for sex. I think the original image was to show beautiful pictures of naked women who could be the "girl next door". It was landmark because the magazine debuted before the "sexual revolution" and the message of sex being OK was new at that time. Hef's personal image was that of the carefree bachelor who lived a cosmopolitan lifestyle with the cars and houses, etc. and got to date the models from the magazine.

In the 60's/70's/80's I think he had a string of relationships, which, if I remember correctly, were supposed to be monogamous. I remember reading he cheated on Barbi Benton, who, at that time, was supposed to be the love of his life.

This whole harem thing didn't start until the 90's. I think at that time the magazine may have needed a boost and it was a good PR move to have Hef surrounded by a bevy of blondes at all times because they were sure to be photographed, which, in turn, guarantees publicity.

...to answer the question about Holly's tatoo, it's the Playboy logo

Actually, I don't think Holly's tattoo was the Playboy logo - I think it's the logo for the VW Rabbit (article here).

While everyone was all up-monkey excited about how this was the first time in Playboy history that someone would get the back cover, Grandpa isn't going to give up that kind of advertising revenue (I'm guessing it brings in at least a couple hundred thousand for the back cover placement).

That Puffin is a crafty old goat.

I assume the tatt is a temporary one. I found a better pic of the VW Rabbit logo here:

VW Rabbit Logo

And it looks just like what's there in the other pic of the back cover.
Pretty sneaky Hef!

Playboy is a major distributor of pay-per-view. They bought Spice Channel a couple of years ago, for more hard-core stuff. Recently, they bought out Jenna Jameson's businesses.

Since they are a public company, you can read their financial and operating results many places on the 'net. They're not doing too well, financially. One rumor is that when Hef dies, assuming Christie will be about 60, Joe Francis, the Girls Gone Wild guy, will attempt a take-over, if he's not in jail.

Here is what I have observed: Hollys bangs have grown out, changing her face shape-kind of elongating it.. Her haircolor is less faded and damaged looking and she has extensions,I think. Plus-and this is the thing that has really stuck out to me-in almost every interview shot,she is wearing some form of a gold or pink beigey or metallic shirt. It is appearing to be a careully thought out look-beige makeup,shirt, hair,and special lighting. To me it looks like some kind of image consultant has been hired for Holly. Strangely,the other girls don't seem to have the same kind of staging-what's up with that?

Actually IRL Holly does have the Playboy Rabbit on her lower back, but they replaced it digitally for the cover...so says Bridget in her Yahoo group(What? Snooping requires some sacrifices, like reading about Bridget's choice of lipgloss...but info is info.)

Bridget's expressions - when her mouth is just hanging open she looks so lost, poor dear.

I think Holly needs to plan for that career as Art Director of photoshoots - Puffin ain't gonna be around forever! I did think she had some good ideas about hers, but that King Kong one was so stupid.

Which is the same tattoo Barbi Benton commented on in the Fight Night epi.

Please dish. I'd love to know all the sordrid details.

If Hef's still forking out any money for plastic surgery Brigitte and Kendra need something to remove their crows feet STAT! As well as the bags under Brigitte's eyes.

Can someone help me--I can't distinguish between the girls, and my work computer (only one) won't let me on the show's website. I just started watching--who is the angel, the devil and the girl in the muscle shoot? Thanks!

Going on without knowing their names--Angel Girl is gorgeous (of course all of them have too- bleached out skank hair)--beautiful face, reminds me sortof like Gwen Stefani. Devil girl looks sort of used up and I think is a bit chunky for those outfits. Muscle girl looks like a teen hooker. Do I have it right after one episode?

Ah- ha-ha! Yep, you got it about right! Although Holly photographs better than she looks in rl. She has kind of a deer-in-headlights look about her. I, personally, don't find her all that attractive. Pretty? Yes. Gorgeous? No.

Angel girl was Holly, Used-up girl was Bridget, and teen hooker was the baby Kendra.

YES!! and, it's her facial features that look off to me. Really, I don't think she's quite as cute. She's starting to look like any other plastic blonde-standard Barbie instead of a little something to distinguish her.

I remember Holly's tattoo from that episode of Cribs, but hey, I guess some people haven't noticed it before.Or they just started to watch the show. I have no IDEA why I remember Holly's tattoo from that far back, but it caught my attention then. I was probably thinking..."She's really going to regret that when she gets older". I also remember thinking she was a little..."different" looking, I think her features were too pronounced when she had short hair.

Feel free to comment on Bridget's facial expression because I don't deem it an imperfection - it's deliberate! I think it's her "sexy" face! Totally looks like she's smelling something very bad. It must be her signature face like Kendra's is sticking her finger in her mouth.

I was almost in tears laughing at Kendra's individual shoot. The costumes!! Oh my, this is supposed to be serious and sexy?? A football jersey stuck above your boobs and not a darn thing else on? I don't know what was worse, Kendra's jersey or Bridget and Holly having wind blow up their skirts. The whole thing was so ridiculous I couldn't believe it!

I just keep telling myself "Kendra is 20, Kendra is 20." Otherwise the decisions she makes could boggle the mind.

Hee, I wonder if movie stars have Holly's picture hanging in their locker room yet. Kendra is an idiot.



Aww, that's mean. Leave her IQ out of it.

That's an old Playboy standard. There is at least one girl in every Girls of the Big Ten/Twelve issue in the same "outfit."

Kendra has horrid crows feet for a twenty year old. But that's because she smokes.

And Brigette is WAY too old to be crying over something as stoopid as the stress of not posing nekkid correctly. Cry because your cat hates you....that's a better reason.

Yeah, I meant to mention Bridget's crying - girlfriend is way too old to be crying over something like that. That's what that lady gets paid to do, make sure the poses are perfect.

Bridget is not cut for the corporate world, or a newscaster- the first time she got any criticism she'd start crying right there and not even make it to the ladies' room.

Hee,hee-sorry.

I actually like Bridget-I tend to root for anyone who makes their dream come true come Hell or high water,but I have serious issues with her sexy face. She needs to practice in front of the mirror more.

Big word to Bridget looking especially washed up lately---if she really is 32, I feel bad for the gal and highly recommend a healthier lifestyle/diet.
If she knows what's best for her career, she'd better not be caught in public ever crying again---homegirl looks about a decade older when she's all red-faced, bloated and puffy-eyed, weeping in her little girlie voice about people picking on her.
Yikes! Definitely not a pretty cryer...

Yes Pity Free I was thinking the same thing.
Poor Gizmo-the-cat. You can see the pure HATE on Giz's face everytime they show Brigette trying to get close to the cat.
I'd hate too if I was a cat and had to live with some nitwit who shaves her CAT in a french poodle cut. Ugh.




Oh Lordy, circe221 the visual that conjures up and sticks in my poor head is bad .... really bad.
I suppose Holly can put "baby oil girl" and "wipe-off girl" on her resume when Hef finally kicks the bucket.

Snerk.


I think Kendra photographs better also. I was flipping back and forth between two channels, and flipped back to The Girls Next Door and said "hmm, she's pretty. Wait, that's Kendra!"

I can sort of understand Bridget crying. Everyone has a horrible day at work when your boss is nagging you* and you just get fed up and frustrated and want to cry. Usually I think Kendra is pretty worthless, but I thought it was sweet that she tried to make Bridget feel better.

*Just check out the watercooler thread in The Office forum for examples.