No Fucking Way!!!!!!!!!!!! How is it possible that Master P glides thru and Giselle is voted out? I am so pissed (as though this in some way actually affects my life) that this could have happened. Who is voting? To be honest, I didn’t vote, simply because it was so bloody clear that everyone other than MP had it in the bag, that it never dawned on me that it would be necessary. This is a lesson I will carry. MP! Jesus Christ!

I was just trying to think of how many languages I can say "What the fuck" in.


Not enough.

The word "travesty" just gained new meaning.

Bye, Giselle, you were cool. Bye Jonathan, you were fun to watch.

Lowballing doesn't worked in a rank system. The judges have already dropped him to the lowest rank every week. It doesn't seem to matter.

Guys, a gentle reminder. You are not supposed to be posting about the episode during the episode. Standard TWOP policy. Nobody likes a Glarking.

And God, that was just painful. For one frightening moment, I honestly thought Drew & Cheryl might have ranked in the bottom two. Evil producers.

And evil voters, voting Master P through AGAIN. When the man's partner is laughing in obvious disbelief, the man doesn't belong there. Stop it. Seriously (don't make me bring out the monkey).

Poor Giselle.

Will someone please tell me why his son signed up for the show? Why did he not show up? Why is P on my tx for another weeK?

Why does America hate Ashley so? Please put the poor girl out of her dancing misery with P!!!

How can P have that much of an audience vote? How?

Lisa scares me. All super tan and glittery, with those massive lips, heavy eyeliner and spikey hair. And sadly, that's her everyday look - not even her ballroom look.

It doesn't matter if P gets 1s and 2s across the board. Even if every other couple gets perfect 10s. They'll still get the one point from the judges and the couple second from the bottom will get two points. The way the ranking system works doesn't take into account how low the scores are. It only ranks from first to last. So to use this week as an example, Drew and Stacy both had a ranking of 8 from the judges. P and Ashly had a 1. Jerry and Anna had a 2. So even though Jerry and Anna had fairly better scores, there was still only a difference of one point.

Even ones and twos won't get rid of P.

Well poo. Didn't mind Giselle and loved Jonathan (booted again in week #3.) Meanwhile I was scared that George was leaving and Master P.U. lives again. Ashly seems more incredulous this week than last.

Ashly, you are not alone.

I just don't get it.

Absolutely. Unfortunately, because the judges are so hard on him especially after last night's attempt. I can understand Len's annoyance at him, but really, enough is enough. If he weren't so hard on P, people wouldn't need to vote for him. Poor Ashly has to endure another week.

By the way, did you know Giselle was 45? Or that her father was a dancer? I can deal with most of the other garbage that they spew, but that was so obnoxious. Hmmm...George Hamilton is older than 45 (much older) and beat her out.

Is it possible for Lisa Rinna to look so plastic? She's a very buff, and I thought she did a great job. Hey, just dancing that fast in those heels would kill my feet!

Tia & Max's tango should have gotten at least one 10. Stacy wasn't all that great...and they still kiss her ass with all 9s.

Jerry wasn't as good as he was last week, but I don't think he deserved "geriatric."

Drew was very good and also deserved a 10. He was spot on all the time. V. nice.

Wow well I am glad that my last week was enjoyable. This show can fuck itself! I knew that P was going to get major votes because of what that damn judge said. I will miss watching George but oh well! I have to say Giselle was so gracious and fabulous with her goodbyes!

Poor Ashly. She has to continue to do the work of two dancers to make them watchable. Not great, but she makes them watchable.

At least P is lightening up, joining "G" in the hood!

WTF! No, please don't tell me I get to go home and see MP be saved yet AGAIN!

Black folks need to stop voting for his ass "just because" and I say this because there is no way in HELL he is winning because he dances well!

I am telling you, this show will have a back lash if he is no gone next week. Giselle deserved to stay MUCH longer than him, and I am a black woman who likes rap, but not at the expense of good dancing, talent, Hard work and EFFORT!

So that spoiler that was posted here earlier today turns out to be true, right?
Or am I remembering it wrong?

Adding my despondency over Giselle going before P. WTF?!?! indeed.

The only one I was concerned about was my fave, Tia.

"While Ashly and P. regulate their breathing" for sure. Still, I wish they'd've been booted.

"G&P" was amusing, but not enough to want P. to hang around.

Well, that blows. Giselle wasn't my favorite, but she was a damn sight better than P. Oh well, I'm glad at least that Tia is still there. I loved watching the replay of her dance.

Also, in the early 90s I swear I had a mesh-sleeved halter top just like Tony's. Only I never wore mine because I couldn't find the right bra for it. Tony didn't seem to have that problem.

Isn't George wearing thin on anyone else? He's got one schtick... he's old and rich. His "In the hood" thing was cute the first time - now, not so much. I watched him today in "Where the Boy's Are"... he was cute. Still looks good for his age, but lay off the forced humor.

I had a feeling Giselle or George would be in the bottom 2, I just assumed P would be there with one of them.

This is what the judges or the producers wanted, IMHO. They were critical of Giselle last night and they made sure fans were provoked to feel sorry for P. Giselle was probably boring to them, while they think P provides drama (I think that storyline lost steam a few weeks ago, but I don't produce the show).

This also means that their frontrunners, like Stacy, are even more likely to win.

This is the second time they've waited until close to the end with Drew and Cheryl. I'm not sure if they are just mind-fucking the viewers or if Drew/Cheryl aren't getting a lot of votes. I hope that isn't the case because the group of talented dancers is dwindling by the week.

Poor Jonathan -- didn't he leave around this time last season? He and Giselle were a smart, funny team. He was always supportive and talented (and he looked great coming or going!). Giselle was just too smart and cold and did not jump through the hoops or have the name value some of the others have. I guess she was right, she knew she was going, and she did.

Adios Giselle and Jonathan. We'll miss the rosarita.

I think P will probably go next now, unless they are really desperate for shock value. But the longer they keep him the less shocking his exit will be. American Idol usually gets rid of the untalented person a week after the "shock", and that will probably be the case here.



Since he was in the bottom 2, apparently he is. I would have rather seen him go than Giselle and Jonathan. At least they actually dance, instead of just make "funny" routines.



I think that spoiler was Tia/Maxsim.

I have decided that since I hate this show SOOO much I am going to not watch but VOTE for Master P every week!!

I've been hanging around, but this is my first DwtS2 post:

Aw, I adore Giselle, and her departure speech was gracious and sweet and inspiring. Sniff! (I say this as an almost-40-yr-old former dancer who prays for the day the kiddoes are big enough for Mommy to get back to dance class on a regular basis, so, grain of salt, people.)

I was impressed by Lisa's performance this week, but will never get over the fact that she bugs beyond belief. Badass body, tho, and definite sex appeal. In other words, my husband loved it. ;)

Can I just say that I LOATHE Stacy? Never heard of her, she danced like she had a steel rod in her back, and her creepy, non-changing expression seriously creeped me out - did she make anyone else think of the Carver? No? Just me, then. And GOD!!! We f**king GET IT! Your legs are longer than your body, good on ya. Does that make it impossible to move your hips? Please go away from my tv - that would be great, thanks.

The forbidden happy that is Master P ... I don't know how to explain it, other than as a former dancer, I've known so many people that just don't get dancing. Can't move, no rhythm, footwork will never come together, etc. But usually the desire is there. Can't tell if the desire is actually there w/P, but he does seem to be making a teensy bit more effort (I choose to believe it's because he wants to do right by Ashley.)

Speaking of Ashley, girl was H O T!!!! in the exhibition dance! Damn, working w/P must qualify as some sort of feel-good charity work, because she honestly seemed happy to be staying.

And, that's all I have for now. Other than a big ole word to the posters that assume TPTB clued in to what we already knew: replay the dances on the results show, and you negate any reason for us to watch Thursday. That said, I now have to find a way to wedge TWO nights of viewing into my already way-crowded viewing schedule.

This just sucks.

I've come of out of lurkdom to say.... Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Why oh Why is P still here? I loved Giselle and really thought she was a top contender. Even his fans must see how bad he's been on this show. Is this part of that campaign they always have on the net about voting for the worst? The man sucks all the joy out of this show. Whenever he dances the show comes to a screeching halt. Somebody tell me how to watch the show emotionally detached or else I'm going to have to stop watching.

I really don't think the producers want this. The backlash they got last time when the majority of the media thought the "better" dancer (in their opinion) won was absolutely brutal.

There's nothing that can be done about P until his fanbase stops calling in for him or the field tightens up where people aren't splitting their votes.

Ashly pissed me off a little bit with her nodding about the judges being cruel. For goodness sake, they gave him a virtual tongue bath the previous two weeks.

Me too. I didn't watch the tape till today & online voting was closed. I won't make that mistake again.

This is so completely ridiculous. It really seems to be all about the fan base. America gets what America votes for. At least on AI the singers don't come in with a fan base. This is just stupid.

I'll tune in next week because I enjoy the dancing, but no purpose in watching the results show. They draw it out. Drama my ass. Dull. Then they announce who goes home and my blood pressure rises. Something stinks and it's P-Ewwww.

riley605, I'm ready to have your babies anytime you like. I seriously do not get the big deal about her legs because, unless I'm doing it wrong, I just measured mine and they're more than 41 inches long and longer than my torso. But nobody is stopping me in the street in amazement about it.

I'm convinced the reason she hasn't done any fast dances thus far is because she will not be able to pull it off as convincingly as the posey moves the slower tempo dances enable. I predict the minute she has to see the Quickstep, we are going to see just how awkward this incredible 41-inch-legged wonder of nature can be.

Well I can't tell you why that fucking walrus is still on your teevee, but I can tell you that Lil Romeo injured himself playing basketball, shortly before taping was to commence. He asked his daddy to fill in for him.

The dancing walrus survives another week?! There are no fucking words.

What the H - E - double hockey sticks?!

Some people were kvetching on the "Skating with Celebrities" thread that there was no TV viewer vote. I must say, after this week, I'm thinking that getting rid of the TV viewer vote would be a GOOD thing for "Dancing with the Stars."

I know it's not a real competition...it's a lot about pure entertainment...but it's getting really stupid that the worst dancer keeps getting through.

In the ultimate P versus Drew final dance-off, there is no way anyone will be able to say that P won because he's the better dancer. And that will be the end of the show forever. Who knows, this could be the "Quiz Show" moment for all of "reality" television.

Bwaa hahhaha hahah. Maybe the "P" in Master P is for aPocalypse!

FREE ASHLY!!!!

ETA:

His PR machine said he injured himself playing basketball, but has Master P done a shout out to his poor hurt kid? Have we seen any pictures of the little guy sitting sadly on the sidelines watching Pop have all the fun? Have we even seen any pictures of him in a sling or on a crutch in the "Weekly World News" or "Teen People"? NO. The most we've got is some hip hop gossip sites calling his injury "alleged" and a rumor going around that the little putz took a look at Ashly and thought she wasn't pretty enough. This is just bad. And I don't mean the good kind of bad, I mean the stupid and nasty and rude to other people kind of bad.

FREE ASHLY!

That's it. I don't care if they fall flat on their faces next week, I will be voting until my fingers bleed for Drew, Tia, Lisa, George, any way to get P off this show. This is bullshit. There's no way he should be there.

And at first I was very excited when they said that all the pros were going to do another exhibition number (the one from the first week was simply fab-ulous), but if they were going to do a paso doble (which was my favorite dance last year), did they have to do it to Rocky? They could have had such a hot Latin number, but no.

I don't think P has a huge fan base; he was in the bottom 2 last week. I think just the right amount of pity for him and apathy for Giselle (who doesn't have a fan base) and George (who is too focused on the gimmicks, IMHO) scraped him through for the week.

I think the votefortheworst folks are having fun with a different show. I can't think of any other reason why Master P is still there. Bye, Giselle. Your Dad would be proud.

Okay, in doing the math, P had to beat a 6. He could have tied a 6, with a higher viewer vote. Therefore, he got at least 4th in the audience vote last night.

Crap, just when we had him pinned in the bottom 2.

Trav.es.ty.

Let me explain...

After the judges votes, the points were

8 Drew
8 Stacy
6 Tia
5 Lisa
4 George
4 Giselle
2 Jerry
1 Pathetic

The lowest combined scores possible for Giselle and George were a 5 and 6 (because I highly doubt they got the exact same amount of viewer votes). Therefore, P had to get at least 5 points from the audience scoring in order to get a combined score of 6. 4th place earned 5 points this week.

Anything lower than 4th place would have put him in the bottom 2 ( with a combined score of 5).

ITA. In the long run, my guess is that the producers know this will alienate their true fan base of the show.

This reminds me of the reality dating show Cupid from a couple of years back (after this post, I'll go hang my head in shame in the corner for remembering). There was an obvious backlash vote for Robert (the German fitness model) who was the worst possible choice for Shannon (I looked up her name - honestly, I couldn't remember it).

I think there are people out there voting for MP because they just want to see a trainwreck. And if there are enough of them, he'll be around for awhile. Robert was one of the last two standing. My prediction - MP will stay until the final four.

Well, I think Shannon being a total bitch had a lot to do with people wanting to mess with her via the voting. I know that's what I did.

Interesting results which leads to the following calculation. If my understanding of the scoring system is correct, the only way P. Miller could have moved on is by ranking 4th or better in the audience vote. That's fourth in a field of eight. If his fanbase keeps the faith, he is likely to last a couple more rounds.

ETA: I see barkley on the previous page beat me to the same calculation

I'm happy to see Ashley stay on, but oh, what a cost!

Serious cognitive dissonance with the Rocky theme music for that dance there. I could not enjoy it at all! Maybe I'll rewind and watch it with the volume off.

I found George Hamilton's schtick very odd, in addition to being repetitive. It was hardly funny the first time he did it, and just plain uncomfortable tonight. And why would he still be lobbying for votes tonight? Could that have been footage from last night, or is senility kicking in?

I don't think that will happen. Kelly was one of those who got through on big fan votes but she really did improve as the season went on, and she was never horrible in the first place. The judges might try to say P is improving, and he may improve marginally, but he's never going to be any real kind of a dancer. I doubt he wants to be there anyway. I think he has a few weeks left at the most, unless people are apathetic again and Lisa, Tia or George are eliminated.

I hope the producers are happy that their Simon Cowell gimmick paid off. It's really beneath this show, and reminds me of that stupid "dance off" John vs. Kelly disaster they had to have last year which seemed so bitter and anticlimactic.

WORD. Since I've been thinking the same things since last night's show, I wasn't all that surprised by P's and Ashley's survival. G & J deserved better.

I'm sticking with this thing at least until Tia and Max exit. But, after that, I'll probably just check out the forums, to see how Drew/Cheryl and Jerry/Anna are doing.

Seriously. And the "ahh-ahhs" toward the end of the song sounded like they were having a really hard time harmonizing with each other.

I can't help but feel that these performers are background/sessions artists (of whom there are many excellent, talented ones) who are looking for their big break on this show. Which they might find if they didn't A: mess up the lyrics (two weeks in a row that I've noticed) and B: sound so much like they were desperately hoping this would be their big break.

(Although I will fully admit bopping around to the muzak version of "Zoot Suit Riot" and "If They Could See Me Now" as performed on the show as they replayed in my head last week.)

Just a quick question for discussion:

Clearly the voting system needs to be changed, but what would be the fairest system to change it to?

I can see a number of options:

#1) Do away with rank order scoring. Yes, it would be much more complicated, but I think someone in last place by 5 points should have more of a battle to overcome than someone in last place by one point.

#2) Have the audience vote for who they think should be eliminated. Right now, most of us seem to be trying to approximate this by spreading out our votes among everyone we like. Why not just have us directly vote out the worst person. It's more direct and harder to spoil to save a particular person. Until the last 2 people are left, a fan base would make no difference.

#3) Do something about the method of voting. Right now, it seems unfairly biased towards people who live alone (10 votes for one person, rather than 10 votes divided among a family) and families who have many phone lines and/or cell phones. And to register to vote online takes a bit of effort. However, I can't think of a way to make it more fair without involving fingerprints or SS numbers or voice prints.

#4) Give the judges score more weight, do away with audience voting entirely, or only allow the studio audience to vote. These are all highly unlikely, however, since they remove the interactivity with the audience at home, and that seems to be the main point of the show.

Anyway, what do other people think? What would you do if you were in charge?

Do you think once - ONCE - they can have Drew and Cheryl dance after Stacey? I think they rated Stacey's tango against the other women tangos, not against Drew, hence the nines. If Drew had danced after Stacey - tens.

OTOH the conspiracy theorist in me thinks the judges and the producers definitely want Drew to win and are shaping the timing and performance order to "underdog" him enough, vis a vis Stacey, to rally fans to the phones. He's really good - my favorite thing about him is his natural facial expression once he starts dancing - his neck is actually relaxed. There's that ability to feel the beat again. They don't want to O'Hurley him, make him seem so much better, lest his partisans let down their side.

I absolutely love him, and I didn't know Nick Lachey had a brother until this series started.

Has anyone here goes to ABC.com and vote? We know that the phone line has limit but is there a limit to voting thru the web site? Because i'm thinking maybe there are few M P fans doing the power voting. That's the only thing I could think of why M P is still there.

Anytime there is audience voting at all, there are going to be voting debacles. Four seasons of American Idol have taught us that, there is a "shocking vote" every year. I don't know if I want it to be just the judges (at least not these judges), because all though most of the time I find them to be competent, sometimes their voting really wouldn't jive with what the viewers see (like this week, when many people thought Tia's tango was better than Stacy's). I think they should still do the half and half method, but try to do something other than ranking, so that coming in last with a single digit score would be different from coming in last with a 13 or 14.

I think Master Pathetic might last as long as there are still people without strong fan bases. I thought Giselle was dead meat for sure when she got a lower score, because I didn't think she would generate many viewer votes. I could see P sticking around through the magic of mathematics past George, Lisa, and Tia at the most, but I think Drew, Stacy, and Jerry could generate higher viewer votes than him.

Edited to add:



You can only vote once per e-mail, so in less the Patheticerettes are generating many e-mail addresses for the purposes of voting... oh dear.

Was anyone else worried that Drew and Cheryl were going to be eliminated because until the bottom four, the cameras never focused on them AT ALL?

Also, Stacy's dress made her look like she had some nasty wide shoulders.

After the shoe scene, I know where Romeo got the 'tude. Yeah, I'm lookin' at you, P. No matter how you and Ashly seem to have gotten over that, we in the audience remember.

As for Ms. Keibler, I agree about the seeming reliance on posing and showing off that she has *gasp* long legs!! From Week One weird, irrelevant crap has been handed out instead of helpful critiques. Bruno's 'The warrior princess has become a prima ballerina' crap just baffled me. Xena/Wonder Woman? While more martial than ballroom, weren't portrayed as clunky movers, so that Stacy was either a warrior princess or a prima ballerina- neither a ballroom dancer, mind you- was beside the point and counter to what the show and some of the celebs are trying to prove- that ballroom isn't only for the rich. (::waves to Giselle, as my 40th natal day is coming up soon!::)


I heard Stacy trying to explain herself and mentioning something about how she "had to look mean" for the dance.Apparently Tony wasn't able to explain how she could act/react with the song in relation to the dance. Watching the dance again tonight, the 'strangling' seemed to come out of left field and got a 'huh?' reaction from me. I know the song, but the dance/choreography didn't mesh with the story/music/song, imo. So, while I like Tony and think he's got a crush on his student, he's not doing right by her by only choreographing stuff so pose-y. She's a wrestler, she won't break just because it's a tough routine.

OTOH, I dug Lisa very much for the first time! I liked her previously, but I really enjoyed her jive. A very good choice for her and Louis.

I almost took up smoking unfiltered ciggies after the Paso Doble exhibition, even with the music choice. I would gladly bear children for any of the male pros! *g*

I gave Samantha a chance, but she needs to join Lisa Canning- anywhere else but in the Kiss & Cry/GreenRoom. We get confessionals and can't Tom just quiz 'em backstage somehow?

The only reason I did NOT freak out when they announced Percy would be back next week was b/c by then Tia and Jerry were both safe.

That being said. . . .sigh. What's going on here?! Is it the sideshow freak factor that's keeping Percy in there?

Sad to see Giselle go before Percy but I wasn't too invested in her so all in all, I can live with these results. But I tell you, if Percy sticks around and Jerry or Tia get voted off. . .heads will roll!

Oh and I didn't mention this about Thursday's show but I TOTALLY did not buy the whole 'me and Ashly get along GRRREEEAAATT!' retcon they tried to pull on us. Especially since a poster here was actually at a taping and reported that he was basically an orge to her.

Free Ashly!

They have really got to get rid of the viewer voting. Too many of the viewers are obviously out of their freaking minds.

My new plan is just to pretend that P is not even on the show. P who? I know no P.

Poor Jonathan, once again ousted too soon. Hopefully we will still see him when the pros dance (although the other ousted pros seem to have vanished).

The Paso-Doble-Off was very entertaining! Louis doesn't do anything for me, but it was a trifecta of hotness with Tony, Maksim and Jonathan.

So...who won the Paso Doble? I vote for the Russian couple.

Didn't Drew dance after Stacy in the first week?

He's by far the most talented dancer, although I think Stacy probably does have a lot of talent, but Tony is doing her a disservice by only choreographing stop-and-pose-and-show-us-your-long-legs moves.

I thought Cheryl and Tony had the best Paso Doble, but I really wasn't sure what to look for in that dance. I also didn't think Louis seemed his best during the Paso Doble, but his jive, that's another story. Unbelievable.