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djork
I guess when you spend so many of your waking hours thinking about technique (mostly your own) it's natural to look for it in others. I'm one of those people who would rather watch something simple done well, than something difficult done poorly. For me, watching someone struggle with a dance that's too hard is not entertaining in the least. In fact, I feel their pain.

rumbawalks I completely agree! Though you are likely a much, much, more serious competitor than I -- 'cuz I haven't quite gotten to thinking of technique in my waking hour :) but I have scuttled away from fun social events so I could stare in the mirror alone and practice technique, hee.

I have always said I thought overall that John's technique was much better than Kelly's. His upper-body posture and carriage is just beautiful and it does make him shine in the Standard dances especially. I know ballroom dancers love John for this fact. What I had difficulty with was separating admiration for his general skill and aptititude and analyzing his freestyle routine for what is was.

IMHO his freestyle did not scream great technique to me and this is usually the quality that first stands out in his prior performances. Just not upto par with his better performances in terms of technique. I think the more dynamic nature of the sequences was not one of John's stong suits including the high energy leg kicks and hoppin' around. I think his carriage, posture and lead are his strengths but they spent very little time in close position -- I think just 2 figures. I do think his carriage particularly really draws the eye and even takes away attention from his sometimes weaker footwork. Sometimes John is a bit stiff in the hips and has a tendency to be flatfooted, a little back-weighted, and he doesn't quite roll the motion thru his foot and push off from the ball & toes -- and all these things are really, really key in the more dynamic sequences so he is at a disadvantage. That's why I think he looked more labored in their side by sides. I still think he did very well, just not the smoothness you had come to expect from him.

I think they wanted something more high-energy for their freestyle to pump-up the audience, but I just didn't think that particular style highlighted John strengths. His technique for the freestyle was not to his higher standard and I think this opened the door for Kelly -- that and very cutely not really dancing for the first 25 seconds.

I'm not sure if you still have the video of John's freestyle, I must admit that having talked about this for so long my analysis has probably gotten quite skewed and hardened, but I would love to hear your thoughts.
dr gailey
Can't post as much as I used to but want to say a few things.

I am still happpy that Kelly won and John should just suck it up and get on with his life. It was a damn cheesy ass disco ball trophy. Get Martha Stewart to make you one if you must have it.

Kelly should tell the media to kiss her ridiculously toned ass. She doesn't have to justify her win to anybody. She won. Get the fuck over it. I excuse her snarky tone as some may construe as bitchiness cause some of the assholes deserve it. Ask her a smart ass question and you should expect a smart ass answer.
phoenix780
I've been reading through the thread and while I'll never discount a conspiracy theory (or: strategy), I'm not sure what ABC's motive would be. It was a limited-run summer show that was unexpectedly popular, so why bother setting it up for Kelly to win, unless maybe they adjusted the strategy when the show became a hit?

Plus she's a soap star, and it's not like networks are huge promoters of their daytime lineups. If they were going to have an ABC star win, why not go with someone from one of their low-rated sitcoms, or introduce a former star who'll be on one of the new fall shows? Why risk the backlash by fixing it for a lowly soap?

I don't really care if it was all for promoting another show, since the prize is totally meaningless, but I just can't figure out why they'd go to the trouble. Heck, her appearing on the show for a couple weeks could've had the same cross-promotional effect without all "the show is fixed" drama.

Also, I feel sorry for Kelly now. Not really the potential career boost I'm sure she was going for, and she did seem to work hard at it, and the reaction has to suck.
peppypen
All indications are that, controversy aside (and maybe partly due to it), the show has done wonders for Kelly's career as well as the other competitors. Her public recognition has to have increased by about a thousandfold, her photo and a story has been in every single tabloid, newspaper and gossip magazine in the US. She's now being mentioned as a possible guest on some of the hottest shows on TV, as a possible talk show hostess, ala Kelly Ripa, etc, etc. There is no such thing as bad publicity they say. It looks to me like Kelly is the big winner in more ways than one here, she probably had the lowest recognizability of any of the 'stars' before the show began, she's now the most talked about of the bunch. It's all good as far as I can tell.
kittybidee
I don't understand what ABC was supposed to gain by "making sure" through either strategy or "fixing" that a soap actor won DWTS? Kelly wasn't the first ABC actor they approached, so they sure weren't out to showcase HER for any particular reason. After others turned down the gig, she ended up being the one accepted.

So if ABC simply wanted a soap actor to win, the question remains, why? I just don't get the logic.

Did Kelly win because she had a massive unbeatable fanbase (despite being pretty much unpopular on her show)? If so, then what did ABC gain? If she's already so popular, what was the payoff?

Let's say that the show was "rigged" and JOH was really the more popular dancer. So what does ABC get by ticking off the majority of their viewers in that scenario? Are all these ticked off people supposed to be interested in watching Kelly on GH now? Why would they, if they don't like her?

I see how the conspiracy talks have given the show buzz. But if there was a REAL conspiracy (for a stupid summer show that they only were willing to waste 6 episodes of budget for), then what was the POINT when they sat down and plotted the whole thing out?

Seriously, I'm seeing anything that ABC gets from "picking" their own winner.
Lisetta
I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other, although if it was collusion it was done badly and if it was an honest choice....its being much too weakly supported. A rematch is just insulting, if the decision was an honest one.

IF it was collusion though, I wouldn't think it was in order to favor an ABC soap actor though. I'd think the reason was to go along with the popular choice. Obviously Kelly was getting the most votes each week and she definitely won the majority of votes at the end.

If the judges weren't totally honest, I'd think it was just because ABC wanted to "please the crowd" and not make the popular favorite lose. (They may have underestimated that a "less popular" contestant could still have a million fans of his own--and that they could also be very, very vocal.)
annlaw78
IMHO his freestyle did not scream great technique to me and this is usually the quality that first stands out in his prior performances. Just not upto par with his better performances in terms of technique.

I totally agree, Djork. That's why I guess I'm not so worked up about the judges giving Kelly and Alec 10s -- the judges' scores were often rather generic and imprecise, if that makes sense, at best. I wouldn't have given J/C's freestyle the same as their fantastic quickstep, and I'm befuddled as to why the judges thought the dances were of comparable merit. And Carrie Ann preferred Kelly's samba when her strap broke, and she danced holding her top and chicken-winging arm extension moves -- seems that they weren't exactly scoring on technical proficiency there, but more on the "spirit" of the dance or whatever.

I also don't think these judges could be "bought," especially after the to-do over Paula Abdul on AI. Why would Carrie Ann, who seems to be busy with several project ("So You Think You Can Dance?") risk her reputation on fixing this show? Why would Len, who has other prospects besides American television and ABC shows risk his reputation?

The way I see it, the judges said once in the entire series that they enjoyed Kelly and Alec's dancing better than John and Charlotte. It's not as though they were consistently over-scoring them to ensure they stayed in the competition (b/c there's no way to predetermine that fans will not get complacent and not call in one week). I don't see what is so malicious about that. I also think it is reasonable to score a more aggressive, more "full" performance higher than one in which the first 1/3 of it is basically sedentary.

Charlotte Observer -- Monaco Took Long Shot, Let Pals Scoff This is one of the few complimentary articles about Kelly's win.
peppypen
Why would Carrie Ann, who seems to be busy with several project ("So You Think You Can Dance?") risk her reputation on fixing this show? Why would Len, who has other prospects besides American television and ABC shows risk his reputation?

I don't think any of the judges risked their reputations a bit on this show, whether they participated in pushing the storyline (it was impossible for the judges to 'fix' the contest, they had no say in the winner and they knew it) or not. First of all, Carrie and Bruno don't judge ballroom dance competitions, which might be the only place a reputation might suffer. Carrie Ann appeared in an Austin Powers flick as a dancer with a risque name, an appearance on a piece of fluff summer gameshow was exactly the sort of thing she would be doing. It seemed right in line with her career thus far. Both Bruno and Len, the only one with a career as a serious judge in ballroom competitions, had already judged the British versions of the show and it hadn't hurt either one. It seems from the posts I've read from folks with some ballroom expertise, that no one in that world mistook this show for anything resembling a real ballroom competition, and rightfully so.

That being said, I don't think it is at all improbable that the producers shared their 'vision' with the judges beforehand and let them know that Kelly was being portrayed as the feisty underdog, Joey was the rebel who wasn't going to take orders from his coach, that John was going to be the smooth dancer with some natural talent. It may have taken watching a couple of rehearsals for the writers of the show (and yes this show had writers as well as story editors) to develop the plotlines they wanted to pursue with each star, but it was obvious they did, as happens on every other reality show on TV, BTW. Asking the judges to shape their remarks to fit the preconceived storyline for each dancer isn't cheating, it's what TPTB feel makes good TV. TPTB would also feel it would make good TV if the feisty underdog, who they already knew had won anyway, got perfect 10's on her final dance as well as gushing (and ridiculous) praise to proclaim that final dance 'the best of the entire series' when it wasn't even her best dance of the night. I do suspect that the judges were coached and were aware of Kelly's win and how TPTB wanted to compete her transformation from worst to first, even with the judges. This is how reality TV is 'managed' all the time, all of it is molded to up the drama quotient and play on the audience's emotions.
Svenska Flicka
I don't know what to say about Erin Brokovich except that I would rather have my kid dress the way she does and fight for social justice than dress classily in buttoned-up suits like the PG&E execs who knowingly allowed people to suffer for years because a pollution clean-up was just not cost-effective.

I'd prefer some sort of middle ground myself! Isn't there at least a 3rd option here?

But besides the point, it's not like Kelly dresses like this everyday, it's her performance costume!

But, but, how would anyone know that? In all of the tapings of her practice sessions she was dressed just as skimpy as her competition outfits. So my own take on her is that she really likes to show off her body in tight, revealing, barely-there clothing. If that's not correct, she should have probably worked a bit harder to display otherwise! I don't remember the other females dressing so sleazy for practice sessions.
blackwing
Is it reasonable to practice in heavy sweatsuits or business appropriate suits/skirts? I don't think so. For one, she's working really hard, and she gets sweaty. Also, a business suit would restrict her movement. She dresses in tights and sports bras because that approximates what she's going to be wearing for her performance.

Sure, she could wear a T-shirt. But to me criticizing Kelly for her practice outfits is the same as going to the gym and criticizing the girls in the aerobics classes who wear halter tops and skin tight shorts, as opposed to the ones who wear T-shirts and regular shorts. It's all about what you feel comfortable working out in. Maybe she doesn't like the T-shirts because when they do a lift or a dip, it flops over her head.
barkley
I don't remember the other females dressing so sleazy for practice sessions.


Edyta wore a tiny midriff shirt with no bra and a short outfit that was completely slit up the sides. What Kelly wore in practice looked no different than anything Edyta wore or that someone who was exercising would wear (sports bras with pants or tank tops)
annlaw78
Blackwing and Barkley have beat me to it -- so ditto to their posts. I asked my friend who has had pretty serious dance training (ballet and jazz) about practice wear, and she said most teachers want you to wear as little as possible so you can see your body movements better. If you're doing latin dancing, like Kelly, where hip and torso movements are very important, I would think it'd be detrimental to wear baggy stuff. Especially if your partner is trying to lift you and spin you and things -- you don't want him losing his grip on your shirt. And, as Blackwing pointed out, if you're going to be wearing teeny outfits to perform in, you would want to practice in similar outfits to approximate what it's really going to look like. Alec always practiced in sleeveless shirts b/c he performed mostly in them, and he does a lot of stuff with his arms. And hey, even sweet, naive Baby was dancing in a bra and leggings by the end of Dirty Dancing -- there must be something to it!

As to whether the show was rigged or not and the risk the judges would take in going along with it, I think it not just a matter of losing one's reputation if it were found out, but I think there are FCC rules or some other regulations about that sort of thing, no? I had thought that was an issue with the Paula-Corey thing.
barkley
According to Kelly, after the wardrobe malfunction incident, all the women on the show were required to wear pasties on their breasts. I'm sure that will be happening next season as well.
ziglettospal
Is it reasonable to practice in heavy sweatsuits or business appropriate suits/skirts?


Well, the serious Standard dancing men practice in trousers, button-up shirts, and ties. Why? To approximate the feel of having to wear their bow ties with their tail suits.

Latin dancers are known for dressing in skimpy practice wear. It just comes with the territory.
nilyank
I doubt ABC had any conspiracy for Kelly to win. The simple reason is that they are not promoting the fact that she won and using it.You know: "Watch DWTW's winner Kelly Monaco on General Hospital weekdays at 3pm"
Livia52001
LA Times article on TV and dance
dominar
I think it not just a matter of losing one's reputation if it were found out, but I think there are FCC rules or some other regulations about that sort of thing, no? I had thought that was an issue with the Paula-Corey thing.
If I am not mistaken (because I've never watched the show), AI involves cash, at least indirectly through a recording contract. When cash is involved, there is much more oversight. The producers of DWTS were smart not to involve cash -- not even for charity -- because then they would have the feds sniffing around.
I doubt ABC had any conspiracy for Kelly to win. The simple reason is that they are not promoting the fact that she won and using it.You know: "Watch DWTW's winner Kelly Monaco on General Hospital weekdays at 3pm"

Or perhaps they realize that they would be digging themselves deeper with a sizeable portion of their audience if they did? Just saying there are always 2+ ways of looking at something :)
peppypen
I don't think ABC needs to advertise Kelly and her soap in the context of winning DWtS; they've already gotten a boatload of free publicity for her and the show without appearing to be gloating because one of their own won the contest. The best of both worlds for them and for Kelly.

Since DWtS doesn't give cash prizes to any of the celebs, though all the celebs are paid to appear, they don't have to meet the same FCC guidelines that shows such as American Idol does. Gameshows are very strictly monitored, which is probably also why the trophy had to be something obviously cheap and cheesy, had the trophy been something of actual value like a Lalique vase, then the FCC would also have reason to take a look at things.

As it is, I don't think ABC did 'fix' the show, they may have had inside info leading them to know who was going to win by a landslide from the start, or at least the first episode, but I don't think they themselves did anything fraudulent in the voting. They just set up a system where the public chose the winner while making it look like real judges had a say in who won and then took advantage of that by creating storylines for each of the competitors to let it play out to the best dramatic advantage. This is done on reality TV all the time, the networks consider it their right to do it. It's not honest in the strictest sense, but it isn't cheating either. Kelly won within the flawed rules of this show, the network did nothing but capitalize on it by giving her a character to play to make it seem more dramatic.
barkley
As it is, I don't think ABC did 'fix' the show, they may have had inside info leading them to know who was going to win by a landslide from the start, or at least the first episode, but I don't think they themselves did anything fraudulent in the voting. They just set up a system where the public chose the winner while making it look like real judges had a say in who won and then took advantage of that by creating storylines for each of the competitors to let it play out to the best dramatic advantage. This is done on reality TV all the time, the networks consider it their right to do it. It's not honest in the strictest sense, but it isn't cheating either. Kelly won within the flawed rules of this show, the network did nothing but capitalize on it by giving her a character to play to make it seem more dramatic.


And those rules were spelled out very clearly on their website from day 1. There was also something on the screen when Bergeron was talking about the voting like "for complete voting detail visit abc.com" or something like that. There was major analysis of the voting rules on this board and others and it was pretty much figured out around week 1 that the winnier of the popular vote couldn't be eliminated.

This system wasn't "set up" just for the American version of the show, it's the exact same system they used in Australia. ABC didn't meddle with the system, it simply didn't change a thing from the Aussie version.

This show has never been for money - not in the British or Aussie versions, so it wasn't like ABC went and said "we want to do our set up so we can't offer money because the Feds will get us". They simply followed the format that had made this show a hit in the other countries.

Cheesy fun, not world domination.
mully
Remember when Kelly did a sliding split to collide with her partner's crotch and wrap her hands around his ass - sorry, that was John and Charlotte in the Tango. Or the time when Alec was doing a move that looked like he was smacking Kelly on the ass - nope, John and Charlotte again in the Samba and Joey and Ashly in the Samba. Okay, they were the only ones who did bump and grind moves - negative again... Edyta and Evander's Cha Cha Cha and John and Charlotte's grinding during the freestyle.


My eyes!!! My eyes!!!

Just got back from vaca and glad to see ya'll didn't miss a beat :)
annlaw78
St. Louis Today -- Flying ABC Trips Over Controversy (more of the rather scathing questions thrown at ABC and DWTS about Kelly's win).
blackwing
TV Guide just can't seem to resist continuing to rip on Kelly. They continue to play up the rivalry. In the latest issue's Cheers and Jeers section, they give Peterman a Cheer for landing his own reality show which is going to follow his life. Then they throw in something like a "let's see you try and top THAT, Kelly Monaco!" Not necessary, IMO. I mean, good for Peterman for getting a reality show, but no reason why they had to stick in a dig at Kelly.
annlaw78
Has anyone heard what John's reality show is going to be about? Because honestly, I don't know that it sounds like compelling television for me. If it's about his working on a Broadway show with Charlotte, that could be interesting. I don't know that I'd really want to see an entire half hour or hour show dedicated to his quips and hamming it up, though. But hopefully others do -- I know a lot of people on this board find him really funny, entertaining, handsome, charismatic, etc., so there is probably a good audience for it. I just wonder how much of his appeal on DWTS was that he was dancing, and dancing with a fantastic partner. As I said before -- I'd be more interested in a reality show starring Charlotte, who I'm sure leads a very busy and fascinating life as a top ballroom coach. How fun would it be to see her training a couple for Blackpool, culminating in the competition?

Of course, I'd be most interested in a reality show starring Alec (sigh!). Hee.
blackwing
I have a feeling it's going to be him leading his everyday ordinary life. And it will be replete with quips and hamming, some of which is probably planned in advance. I know it will appeal to a lot of people, but if it's really unscripted, I'm going to tune out. I imagine it to be "Newlyweds", only funnier. Some of the "activities" for each Newlyweds episode were truly not interesting - Nick playing golf, the Simpson family dinner (with CaCa!).

I can see Peterman's show along the same lines. "Today I have to go to the grocery store. My doctor tells me I need to drink more orange juice. I gotta tell ya, I'd rather be drinking liquor! [mug]" For me, it sounds like a big zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
doublestandard
I know I don't care to watch the old fart mug and ham it up with his cronies at celebrity golf tournaments or try to sell cds. I think it will just be another worthless and forgettable flop that will get lost in the shuffle. Wonder if he'll take longer than Trista to get a clue?
Svenska Flicka
I can see Peterman's show along the same lines. "Today I have to go to the grocery store. My doctor tells me I need to drink more orange juice. I gotta tell ya, I'd rather be drinking liquor! [mug]" For me, it sounds like a big zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


Hey, I'd watch it! He can do almost anything and I find it amusing. I just love the guy, can't help it.

I cannot wait for another DWtS season! Although I'm really hoping that they stick with the 'lower level C-lebrities', and don't mess with the formula. For me, that's what MADE the show awesome!
phoenix780
Peterman got a reality show out of this? What network's going to air it? I won't be watching; I'm just curious who would bother.

Thanks for the link to that article. It makes it seem like the media's picking at this because they've got little else to pick at, since ABC made a couple hit shows last season. Good to know that there are journalists out there not willing to yield, and who will keep investigating until we know the full truth behind the outcome of a cheesy, fun, meaningless television competition. I feel safer.

I hope they stick with lower level celebrities, too. And they probably will- who else has the kind of time it takes to learn these dances?
djork
I cannot wait for another DWtS season! Although I'm really hoping that they stick with the 'lower level C-lebrities', and don't mess with the formula. For me, that's what MADE the show awesome!

I agree. They should stick to C-celebs, it's more fun that way. Not to mention bigger name celebs will have bigger fan bases, more rabid fans. If they think there is a controversy now... they might get a riot next season.
annlaw78
Yahoo -- John's Reality Show It looks like John will be the host of a new golfing competitive reality show, the Million Dollar Shoot Out.
dominar
Thanks for the link. I could well be wrong, but I think this is something else than the reality series that was mentioned earlier, which IIRC was more of a development deal with a different company.
FormerOlympian
Damn! Time to boycott M&Ms.
mully
I was trying not to snark on the contestants, especially JO'H, but I heard him on a local radio station the other day. It was one of those recordings that lead in and lead out to commercial. He was doing Peterman. You can imagine I wanted to speed into an oncoming truck. The first time I heard it was okay, but boy, too much of JOH and the same ole schtick, is too much for me. Let's hope Peterman is no where in sight for that new show of his. I wouldn't know though because I won't be watching.

Just to add: KM was at the Dukes of Hazzard premiere. You can see pics here DOH premiere. She really rocks that tank top/jeans ensem.

Also, I'm just regurgitating these spoilers from the General Hospital thread, so this might not be accurate: KM's character, Sam, is going to get kidnapped by some aristocrat(?) woman after her daughter runs away. The daughter is a dead ringer for Sam and is bethroathed to some prince(?). Anyway, the daughter is some kind of dancer so the mother teaches Sam to be a dancer to pull off the switcheroo. Yeah, that's lame even for a soap that tends to take itself seriously. KM has apolagized for one of her upcoming storylines and I'd shudder to think that it would be anything worse than this one. KM needs to get off GH but quick!
FormerOlympian
Yeah, that's lame even for a soap that tends to take itself seriously.


That storyline is freakin' hilarious. I've never watched a single episode of GH, but may add it to my rotation just to see this.
annlaw78
Ditto, Former Olympian. This looks too good to pass up! By the way, may I ask what you're a former Olympian in?

I have a great suggestion for the casting of the prince... I'll give y'all three guesses, but you'll only need one, hee.
KM was at the Dukes of Hazzard premiere

What -- no Alec? Come on, Kelly, take him with you to premieres!
archer1267
Damn! Time to boycott M&Ms.

I wouldn't boycott them (I like JOH) but damn, someone's smoking crack at Mars if they think teal and maroon M&Ms are going to make adults more inclined to eat 'em. Teal candy seems very metrosexual, and very 2003!
blackwing
Is Peterman going to be a spokesperson for these new M&M's? That article doesn't make it sound like he's the "new face". It just makes it look like he's the C-list celebrity they hired to cut the ribbon, or officially unveil them, or whatever.

If he showed up on the package or in the commercials, I KNOW I wouldn't buy them.
someone's smoking crack at Mars if they think teal and maroon M&Ms are going to make adults more inclined to eat 'em. Teal candy seems very metrosexual, and very 2003!
Teal? More like early 90s! Maroon, teal, blue-grey, beige, gold and brown. I don't get it. If anything, adults would prefer the classic colors. Save the pinks and teals and periwinkles for the kiddies.
FormerOlympian
Ditto, Former Olympian. This looks too good to pass up! By the way, may I ask what you're a former Olympian in?


Swimming
mully
Just saw JO'H and KM on E! News Daily or whatever they call that entertainment news show. They were reffered to as rivals and the darlings of summer (something like that). It talks about how they may have a rematch in the next season.

Then it shows JO"H during the unveiling of that titanic M&M and he goes on to say that he likes to be involved in big things (naming DWTS as one of those big things). I hope he was kidding.

Then they talk about KM's playboy past. That old lady who I thought was that 70s folk singer who sang that Yellow Taxi song started talking about how KM was one of the most popular playmates and she was especially popular with the college crowd. Then they pointed out all the famous playmates who have made it big (Jenny McCarthy, Pam, etc) and how certain Playmates go back home and marry the boy next door while others, sighting KM, have this burning desire to be the best that they can be. And at the end of this segment they show KM during the finale posing for pics with Alec holding that trophy and (brace yourselves girls!) they do a slo-mo of her looking up lovingly at Alec!!!! **eeeeeeeeee**
annlaw78
Fresno Bee -- What's Coming This Fall? Not Much (Article that takes the piss out of the DWTS folderol at the ABC Press Tour).
Then it shows JO"H during the unveiling of that titanic M&M and he goes on to say that he likes to be involved in big things (naming DWTS as one of those big things). I hope he was kidding.
Then they talk about KM's playboy past.

It's nice that rather than talk about, you know, what Kelly's present projects and future prospects are, as they did for John, they instead rehashed her !scandalous! past. The show does redeem itself for the slo-mo shot of Kelly and Alec (sigh!). I'll have to see if I can catch the segment.

FormerOlympian, champion for 10 year olds of my conference in the 50-yard breaststroke here... sadly, my abilities plateaued then!
Want2Sleep
John O'Hurley was just on Conan O'Brian. Nice interview
dominar
Details please, Want2Sleep? (Why do I always miss all the TV appearances?!)
peppypen
Then they pointed out all the famous playmates who have made it big (Jenny McCarthy, Pam, etc)

Pamela Anderson and Jenny McCarthy have 'made it big'? There are actually women out there who aspire to follow in their professional footsteps? As far as I know, having big hooters is not exactly a talent. Playboy using them as examples of successful playmates is kinda pathetic, IMO. I sure hope there aren't many little girls out there wanting to be just like them.
FormerOlympian
I think it's safe to say Pamela is one of the most recognized women on the planet. She starred on Baywatch (a global phenomenom) for years and now has her own primetime sitcom. I would consider that successful. Jenny's been flying under the radar recently, but I seem to recall she starred in a sitcom on NBC (I think that's the network) a couple of years back.

Here are links to their professional credits. Not everyone may agree with their decision to pose in Playboy, but it has literally paid off for both of them.

Jenny's Credits

Pam's Credits
BrainyBlonde
John O'Hurley is in talks to join the Broadway cast of Chicago:

JOH Article
djork
hi dominar and other John fans. I saw Conan last night too, I'll try to remember the details but it was not too long as he was the 2nd guest and you know Conan (I love him but sometimes to much hammin' not enough interviewin')...

John was there mainly to rep the M&M's, but they start off with DwtS... it was such a hit, John didn't expect it to be. Conan said he looked really good dancing and asked if he could now teach ballroom. They show a clip of I think the beginning of their cha-cha which end in John's TM look. Conan loves the look. John says when he started he couldn't dance, like a beached whale and Char had to tie his shoes. He said he was particularly nervous esp. in the clip they showed as it was the first dance, but he got better esp. in the Standards. He lost 20 lbs. He said being tall and having the carriage that it was easier for him to do the Standards and how he really liked the smooth stuff. Conan says he looked elegant. He says Conan would be great in the Standards because of his height and he can give a look as he snaps his head. John says you have to know where the camera is at all times and then snap your head like this... Conan tries it, but John says you gotta suck in your cheeks when you do it, and they snap their heads in tandem for the camera a couple of times. Conan says they can't get girls if it's the two of them dancing together. The whole thing was very light and comic.

Conan wonders again if John could now teach dancing, and he said no, no, throughout he was hanging on the wreckage (Char!) and he gives major props to the pros, all of them were tremendous athletes, things they could do with their bodies... and were amazing.

Then they move on to the M&M's, John jokes adults couldn't match the chocolates on the table with the color scheme of their house, their drapes, but now they can! Conan struggles to open a bag and out comes larger (hideously colored) M&M's -- and John shows off the new colors: teal, maroon, beige!, gold (looks yellow to me)! And they joke more about how it's only for adults. The End.

On a side note I just have to say I disliked all the new colors but beige? Eeww! When they rolled out of the bag, my first thought was that they were defective -- they ran our of food color and stuck NAKED M&M's in my bag! The combo of all the colors just don't blend well, very tacky.
ClarionGrad
For anyone who gets CNBC, Conan O'Brien's show from last night will be repeated 25 minutes from now (e.g., at 4:00 p.m. PDT). I don't know if there's more than one feed, but west coasters should be in luck.

Drat. I'm still at work.
HillMama
On a side note I just have to say I disliked all the new colors but beige? Eeww! When they rolled out of the bag, my first thought was that they were defective -- they ran our of food color and stuck NAKED M&M's in my bag! The combo of all the colors just don't blend well, very tacky.
Bwah! (I'm such a 12 year old - I keep picturing green M&M's leering at the bag of naked M&M's.) I will have to buy some just to see the colors & I'm not a big M&M girl. I bet my sister will love them. She almost went into mourning when they retired the tan M&M. The tan one you say? The one that looked slightly like cat poop? Yep, that's the one. My sis is sometimes mighty strange. I can't see an ad as a big deal for JOH, but what do I know. The show of his own sounds bigger to me.

I gotta agree with the hope that DWTS 2.0 stays with the lower level celebs. I think it's more entertaining to see stars who aren't the thing at the moment get a chance to shine. I have spent way too much time dreaming up celebs for the next version. I also really want to see how the previous pro dancers do with new people. Though I am still holding onto my shipper love for Kelly/Alec!
djork
Bwah! (I'm such a 12 year old - I keep picturing green M&M's leering at the bag of naked M&M's.) I will have to buy some just to see the colors & I'm not a big M&M girl. I bet my sister will love them. She almost went into mourning when they retired the tan M&M.

OMG! I thought I was the only one who ever missed Tan M&M! Tan was always underrepresented in the bag so when I was younger I always felt sorry for it. And the other kids would never pick it so I took it up as my favorite M&M. I was also very sad when they went for the more fashionable colors, bastards! HillMama watch your eyes, I'm telling you, the Beigies, they're NEKKID! looking :)

Maybe it was a joke but I can see the idea of targeting these M&M's as decorative confections... if that's the case they should sell bags of single colors, because who would sift through bags to pick out what matches their decor -- well a friend of mine did but she's a little cough*OCD*cough.

Btw, any news on when Kelly's new storyline will be happening? I might check it out... I feel like writing GH to demand, demand I tell you! that Alec's hot ass needs to make a cameo.
ziglettospal
There already is a place on the web somewhere that sells single-colored bags of M&M's. I remember reading about it a couple of years ago.
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