murlough23
May 16, 2005 @ 1:43 am
OK, so Enterprise has packed up and warped its way on home, and we're all left with a near-universal bad taste in our mouths. I've slogged through enough harsh criticism (pretty much all of it warranted) for now and I think maybe we should scrap together the good stuff that we'll remember about a show that perhaps we liked to criticize more than rave about (again, it was mostly warranted). I mean, hey, I thought it was kind of a silly show in comparison to other Treks, but I enjoyed it on a simple level and came to anticipate new episodes quite a bit toward the end, actually.
Having said that, let's list our favorite episodes (and our reasons for ranking them as such so this doesn't become an inane list thread) of Enterprise. I'll go first:
1. In a Mirror, Darkly - I'm counting this as one episode even though it was a two-parter. This was hands-down the most imaginative and fun thing Enterprise did during its four-year run, and seeing everyone acting all eeeee-vil was a hoot. It was far more of a "fan valentine" than the series finale, with the tie-ins to TOS and the ridiculous but actually somewhat plausible explanation of the Mirror Universe's origin and the Terran Empire's early history. Plus we got an awesome opening sequence for a chance... and Hoshi kicked ass! What's not to love?
2. Twilight - Even though it was basically a "reset button" episode, this one was high on the "whoa factor" for me. Right from the scene where Earth blew up, I was riveted. OK, so the idea of the temporal virus or whatever the hell it was being destroyed for all time when it was destroyed in the future was kind of a deus ex machina solution. But the depiction of the future crew was much more convincing than it was in the finale, and the way Archer kept forgetting stuff gave me fond memories of that Voyager episode where Kes experienced everything backward. This was good drama even if I knew everything would be reset later on. It gave a chilling glimpse into a possible future (one we didn't know would actually happen, but still it established the threat of the Xindi) and made the stakes higher than they usually are on the average Trek episode.
3. Zero Hour - I really enjoyed the whole Xindi arc, and I was kind of sad to see it end. I expected this to be a ho-hum season finale complete with a heroic return, actually, but the fake-out Archer death, Hoshi's pivotal role in both arming and disabling the weapon, Sharn's surprise appearance to do Archer a "favor", and other little neat things like that made it a compelling view for me. Plus, the last few minutes were probably the biggest "WTF?" moment on TV for me in all of 2004, and that's saying a lot for someone who watches Alias and Lost. I laughed myself silly from the sheer shock of it.
4. Similitude - Excellent moral dilemma episode. I love those. They did a really good job of finding kids of different ages to play the Trip clone, and I felt like it paralleled a real-life moral issue without being overly anvilicious about it. Starting with Trip's funeral and then flashing back to show what happened and how the events led up to that was a great approach - I'm always hooked by the "piece together the puzzle to see how they get to what we already know from a few days later" trick. Plus, the previews actually didn't give it away and I actually thought they were gonna kill Trip in the middle of the season! Good thing they didn't end up killing him after all... oh, wait. Never mind.
5. Vanishing Point - OK, you can all throw things at me now, but I liked this episode (what I caught of it, anyway; I missed the first run of it, and then I missed the first 15 minutes of the repeat due to some crazy Texan starting a war). I liked Hoshi and had been wishing for a while that an episode would focus on her. OK, so it was the "reset button" yet again and none of the threats wree real, but I loved the "what if?" scenario, and how she first just thought she was being ignored as always. Nice dovetailing of the character's impression of herself and the audience's impression of what the show was doing to the character.
OK, your turn.
Edited because talking about the Mirror Universe doesn't give me an excuse to be dyslexic.
WannaBeBad2
May 16, 2005 @ 3:45 am
I'd agree with most of your list. "Twilight" and "Similtude" were definitely the highlights of Season 3, and I like how things became arcy and driven near the season's end.
"In a Mirror, Darkly" had me from its first moment to the final "Long Live Empress Ho-Shi" (okay, with the exception of the Gorn subplot running a bit long).
I'd also add "United" in there as a great episode laying the foundations for the alliance between the four core species. That last shot of the episode was better than the ending of "Terra Prime" or anything in that other episode that followed.
cjl
May 16, 2005 @ 9:10 am
I'll go with Similitude, In a Mirror Darkly, Twilight, and United as my 2 through 5. My favorite ep is Cogenitor, though.
Harrison Fjord
May 16, 2005 @ 9:17 am
"Broken Bow". Because it *was* a different take on Trek than we'd seen before. New corners of the Trek universe were opened, from the bad blood between humans and Vulcans, to the Temporal Cold War, to the concept of a captain and his crew who don't have the lessons of Jim Kirk to read about at the Academy.
So much promise.
Unfortunately, the subsequent 100 hours or so only rarely lived up to the promise.
siskodax
May 16, 2005 @ 10:54 am
Favorite episodes: "Minefield", "Dead Stop" and "In A Mirror, Darkly". The first two probably aren't anywhere near as good as I remember, but I do remember that after watching them, I was really looking forward to Season 2.
I did miss the first two-thirds of the Xindi arc, so there may be some gems there that I don't know about.
murlough23
May 16, 2005 @ 1:31 pm
I did miss the first two-thirds of the Xindi arc, so there may be some gems there that I don't know about.
That's where
Twilight and
Similitude showed up. Overall I think it was the show's strongest season.
Apparently
United was one of the scattered episodes that I missed this season (stupid Friday night time slot!) I'll have to see if they rerun that one this summer.
abigailn
May 16, 2005 @ 2:12 pm
My favorites, in chronological order:
1. Broken Bow - all that promise. Probably the best Trek pilot ever, for all the reasons Harrison Fjord mentioned. Even knowing how it all turned out, it's a strong episode, and Archer isn't so much of a jackass yet.
2. Shuttlepod One - the beginning of Reed and Trip's friendship, and a good character study. Extra credit for not making us believe the ship was really destroyed.
3. Minefield - solid MOTW and good SF. Good character interaction between Archer and Reed.
4. Similitude - lots of people have said it better than me. Good SF, lots of great Trip scenes, and the first time I really bought the Trip/T'Pol 'ship.
5. E2 - my guilty pleasure. I know that it's basically a lesser copy of DS9's "Children of Time", but I still love it.
6. Observer Effect - the fourth season's sole redeeming episode. Trip and Hoshi were great, and even Archer was fun to watch.
Honorable mention: Acquisition, for being the one and only time in the history of Trek that a Ferengi episode didn't make me cringe.
I must be the only one here who wasn't impressed with Twilight. You could tell exactly where the episode was going within the first five minutes, and T'Pol's 'feelings' for Archer were embarrassing. The Mirroverse eps I thought were fun, but not much more than that.
Cleo256
May 16, 2005 @ 2:44 pm
I haven't seen many of these episodes in nearly four years, so it's hard to know how some of them have stood up. But I agree with a lot of the choices mentioned so far. "Twilight", "Similutude", "Minefield", "Dead Stop". But I'd like to add:
"Strange New World" really fulfilled the promise of revitalizing the same old Trek plots by seeing them through fresh eyes.
"Cold Front" was probably the best of the Temporal Cold War episodes, and really made me hopeful about the role of its story arc on the series.
"Azati Prime" was the lynchpin episode of the entire Xindi arc. It did a lot of heavy lifting, did it admirably, and had a wonderfully bleak ending.
"Countdown" was a wonderfully tense penultimate Xindi-arc episode. Linda Park was great in it and the battle scenes were great.
And "United" was a perfect series finale, with all the founding members of the Federation uniting against the Romulans, in what could only be a precursor to the Romulan War. If only they'd used it as the finale.
Unusual Suspect
May 16, 2005 @ 2:46 pm
Wow, this is hard! I went through the whole episode list, and it's really hard to pick out a few and say, "that one was really good, I'd watch a repeat of it." It's also surprising to note how many I haven't seen. I think there are more episodes of Enterprise I've never seen than there are episodes of TNG, DS9 and VOY together that I've never seen.
That said, I really enjoyed "Twilight", "In a Mirror, Darkly Part 1" (wasn't a big fan of the second part) and "Broken Bow" was pretty good (though I have to say, if I watched it again, after 4 years of being annoyed with Archer, I'd probably find it a lot less enjoyable). I also like "Impulse", for all the bizarreness of Vulcan Zombies, it was simple fun.
murlough23
May 16, 2005 @ 2:51 pm
Heh. I used to joke that you were a true hardcore Trekkie if you had seen all of TOS, TNG, and DS9, if you stopped watching VOY after Seven of Nine was introduced, and if you boycotted ENT after the first episode.
Peachy Keen
May 16, 2005 @ 4:29 pm
I liked Broken Bow and Strange New World, which I think were the best S1 eps. They both made me believe that watching a prequel might not be such a bad idea.
S2 is a tougher choice because there was so much I didn't like about the season as a whole. Cogenitor, of course and DEad Stop, which scared me the first time I saw it. I also liked The Communicator. Most of that ep made me tear my hair out, but it one of the few shows where Archer is called to the carpet for his actions. Those last two minutes where Archer is so proud of his accomplisment and T'Pol shakes her finger, saying "look how you escalated a war!" was awesome. The crew should not have been right so often, and I'll always like this ep for that moment.
S3 eps have been mentioned: Twilight, Impulse, Zero Hour, Hatchery. I'll even admit to liking Harbinger, not so much for the stupid sex plots, as for the fact that I laughed all the way through it. And laughter in this series was sorely lacking and always appreciated.
S4: I liked the Augment arc. I liked Brent Spiner more than I thought I would. I liked United, Observer Effect, and the MIrror Eps.
WannaBeBad2
May 16, 2005 @ 8:14 pm
Heh. I used to joke that you were a true hardcore Trekkie if you had seen all of TOS, TNG, and DS9, if you stopped watching VOY after Seven of Nine was introduced, and if you boycotted ENT after the first episode.
Aww, I liked Voyager more after Seven of Nine was introduced, although there were A LOT of Borg episodes after that (which is why "Regeneration" had no chance of making this list before it even aired--Borg burnout).
frenchtoast
May 16, 2005 @ 9:25 pm
And "United" was a perfect series finale, with all the founding members of the Federation uniting against the Romulans, in what could only be a precursor to the Romulan War. If only they'd used it as the finale.
I second this,
cleo, though I think it's only the two of us. Not only were they uniting against the Romulans, it actually
showed how Archer accomplished this. And the image of Trip and Reed in space seeing all the ships was a sight to see. I was actually quite aggravated that we had to have a third part, because it all seemed to wrap up so nicely in "United".
I'd have to go review the episode listing for Seasons 1 and 2 to really compile a list of favorites, but S3 contains many of my favorites. Off the top of my head:
S1--Shuttlepod One. I don't know why, maybe because it was my two favorite characters drunk, but I really liked this episode.
S2--I have to think about. I get S1 and S2 confused. If "Cogenitor" is S2 then that was my favorite of that season. Oh, that and "Dead Stop". Seriously spooky.
S3--I can't narrow it down, there were too many good episodes and I'd just be creating a list. Most of S3 are ones I would most certainly watch again, and many are favorites. If I had to choose a favorite, it would probably be "Similitude." But, I'd love to see "Harbinger" again too, almost as much. So much arc-y goodness. Or "Stratagem." Or "Proving Ground." Or "Azati Prime." I'll stop now.
S4 I liked "Babel One" and "United" as well as "Observer Effect". And the Mirror episodes. It was quite a let down after S3.
ClarionGrad
May 16, 2005 @ 10:15 pm
I'm going with Carbon Creek (2-2). For me, it showed the best of what science fiction should offer: ordinary people(beings) in extraordinary circumstances, and the human(Vulcan) heart in conflict with itself. It tried to compel the viewer to look past the differences of the principals and find the basic elements that could bind us together. A bit of an allegory then, but not laden with anvils. Further, it held my attention from start to finish as it had to rely on story rather than flashy effects. It's one of the few episodes of the entire four years I'll watch, with pleasure, whenever I happen to come across it.
scarymom
May 17, 2005 @ 12:43 pm
Thank you for starting this thread. It's reminding me why I enjoyed Enterprise for the most part (though it will take me a while to watch even my favorite eps again -- that's how badly I detested the finale). But my favorites (that I can remember while still in the white hot heat of bitterness -- and getting mad at DH every time he tells me 'it's only a TV show') have already been mentioned: Carbon Creek, Shuttlepod One (still quote some of the funny lines from that), E2 (I suspended disbelief and just enjoyed that one), and Zero Hour (wasn't that the one where Trip told T'Pol she looked like an old oil painting and she told him her age? I loved that exchange). Agree that United would have made a suitable finale.
Divaah46
May 17, 2005 @ 2:25 pm
I'm not good with episode names, but I liked the one where Phlox had the ship to himself in Season 3 (maybe because of the active role Porthos had in it) and the Augment/Dain'ta arc (Brent Spiner ruled, as did WWE's Big Show as Orion Captain Shrek).
murlough23
May 17, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
I'm not good with episode names, but I liked the one where Phlox had the ship to himself in Season 3
That one was called
Doctor's Orders.
suntzu
May 18, 2005 @ 2:54 pm
Yeah, that was cool, but IMHO, "In A Mirror, Darkly" (Parts 1 & 2) beats them all. I also liked "Broken Bow", which was one of the best pilots I've ever seen.
BanjoSteve
May 19, 2005 @ 10:03 am
Cogenitor is my favorite, and with In a Mirror, Darkly, it's one of a handful of episodes that can really stand proudly among Star Trek's best. I liked that it was a Trekkian allegory on an issue that we face in our times. A society is oppressing an entire gender of people, something that is clearly, blindingly wrong, but there's no easy way to change it from the outside, and much of what we try to do with the best of intentions will only make things worse.
In addition to being one of the best Trek allegories, it's the best treatment of the Prime Directive in all of Trek. Most episodes that dealt with the PD used it to provide conflict with compassion: you want to do good, but that silly rule is standing in the way. Cogenitor approaches the same conflict from the opposite direction, showing why the rule is necessary and a good unto itself.
The last point in Cogenitor's favor is that it's an episode only Enterprise could have done, and one that took full advantage of the show's premise. It's exactly the kind of story a prequel series should be telling. As good as they are, the same could not be said of, say, Twilight or Dead Stop.
danablue
Jun 16, 2005 @ 2:54 pm
Keeping in mind that I saw hardly any of Season 4, I have to go with Twilight, if only for that heart-dropping, palm tingling moment when Archer learns the fate of the human race, and stumbles outside in agony.
Then Sim and Cogenitor, both for Trinneer's really great portrayal and for the fact that people couldn't stop thinking or talking about the issues raised in either episode.
celera
Jun 28, 2005 @ 4:54 pm
My personal favorites are Terra Prime, In a Mirror Darkly(1 and 2), Carbon Creek, Sim(even though I never saw the whole thing) and Broken Bow(wow a good eppy from B&B!). Broken Bow had so much promise and it really felt like we were going where no man has gone before. Unfortunately, they couldn't manage to follow through with more good stuff.
BigBeagle
Jun 28, 2005 @ 8:03 pm
I still enjoy watching my taped copy of "Dead Stop" ... I really enjoyed the creepy nature of that episode.
And I also enjoyed "Twilight," just for all the fine performances all around.
"2 Days and 2 Nights" gets an honorable mention for Phlox bringing the funny.
pennyq
Jun 29, 2005 @ 2:17 pm
I really liked "Dead Stop" too. It had a good mix of funny and creepy. Among my favorite parts were Malcolm and Trip getting transported on their hands and knees to the bridge, Trip complaining to the computer about the quality of service, and the end where you see the station repairing itself.
That was just a well thought out, well written, and nicely acted episode. And it looked like they must have had a lot of fun making it too.
grammarbitch
Jun 29, 2005 @ 10:15 pm
I'm kinda surprised no one's mentioned Dear Doctor yet. I thought that was one of the better Season One eps, even with the Prime Directive anvil.
dougkeenan
Jun 30, 2005 @ 10:27 am
I liked "The Andorian Incident," from the first season. It set the stage for interstellar politics, gave us a (controversial) view of tainted Vulcans, and Archer did something right at the end. And, and, And...orians! The super updated make-up, the introduction of Shran (OK I vote for all Shran episodes too!), and even slimy Tholos leering after T'pol. After I saw TAI I thought they'd really develop the details of the founding the Federation, ending with the Romulan War. Oh well.
frenchtoast
Jun 30, 2005 @ 10:49 am
I love "Dear Doctor" too, grammarbitch. As BanjoSteve was discussing a few posts above, it was an episode that only Enterprise could since it was a prequel series. And it was done pretty well, though I think John Billingslely deserves a lot of the credit it for that. He always brought the good stuff to whatever episode in which he was highlighted, "Dear Doctor", "Into the Breach", "Doctor's Orders" and "Similitude" to name a few.
What I liked about "The Andorian Incident" is that T'Pol was as shocked as Quantum. They had both believed the Vulcan monks implicitly and were T'Pol especially seemed quite taken aback that what the Andorians claimed was true. I was also pleased that she handed over the scans. This was before the whole crack-whore issue, and I felt it was a demonstration of how she was a "better" Vulcan than the monks. Of course, I could be reading a whole lot more into this than what was actually there, but it allows me to enjoy the episode, so I cling to it.
grammarbitch
Jun 30, 2005 @ 11:39 am
...though I think John Billingslely deserves a lot of the credit it for that.
Totally agreed WRT John Billingsly,
frenchtoast. He was always excellent, no matter what he was given. He was even fun on Angel, doing an excellent job of not reminding one of Phlox, yet still giving a good performance. Weird to see him without the makeup at first, but still cool.
And I don't think you're reading too much into T'Pol's actions in Andorian Incident, either. I read that the same way: T'Pol wasn't any happier to discover the monks - and by extension, her government - were using a sacred shrine as a listening post than Quantum, and she did the right thing - which also happened to be the logical thing - rather than blindly adhering to what the High Command decreed. I had a few problems with Andorian Incident, but I will go along with kudos for the updated makeup - *love* the CGI antennae - the way the discovering of the spying was handled by both Archer
and T'Pol, and Archer getting himself beat upon in order to buy the others time to set up the escape plan.
But was Shran really in this one? I didn't think so, and I'm usually a pretty good spotter of actors I like in unexpected roles.
Especially if their names appear in the opening credits. :-)
dbrugg
Jun 30, 2005 @ 12:22 pm
Shran was in "The Andorian Incident." I can't remember an Andorian episode he wasn't in.
And the antennae? Motorized, not CGI.
pennyq
Jun 30, 2005 @ 5:48 pm
Shran was there, but he wasn't the fascinating Shran that we love to watch in later episodes. He was more of a one note character, but I guess they just hadn't had a chance to develop his character yet.
grammarbitch
Jun 30, 2005 @ 7:12 pm
Thanks,
dbrugg and
pennyq. I didn't remember Jeffrey Combs' name in the credits from that ep, but maybe it just didn't stand out because Shran didn't stand out. Or something.
And the antennae? Motorized, not CGI.
Which probably explains why they manage to look so organic and cool. More and more, I'm finding CGI creature-related F/X just suck. When a man in Latex and fake hair looks more like a werewolf than a CGI creation, something's gone wrong in F/X land.
Cleo256
Jul 1, 2005 @ 5:00 pm
Shran was there, but he wasn't the fascinating Shran that we love to watch in later episodes.
I think that, after Voyager's "Tsunkatse", where Combs and J.G. Hertzler essentially played differently-made-up versions of their Weyoun and Martok characters, everyone involved wanted to make sure that Shran was a very different character than Weyoun. So they made him very physical, not all that complex, and overtly hostile. I'm glad they made Shran so different from Weyoun, but I'm also glad they eventually gave him more depth.
WannaBeBad2
Jul 1, 2005 @ 9:01 pm
More and more, I'm finding CGI creature-related F/X just suck. When a man in Latex and fake hair looks more like a werewolf than a CGI creation, something's gone wrong in F/X land.
I agree. I liked the Gorn better as its cheesy 60's costume rather than the CGI version in "In a Mirror, Darkly," probably since the neck and face were so different.
tothemax
Jul 2, 2005 @ 10:21 pm
Also, the TOS Gorn was better because, as keckler noted, the Gorn was several shades lighter than everything around him.
keckler
Jul 3, 2005 @ 12:40 am
I maintain that it would have been an AWESOME meta comment to have the ultra-fake Gorn from TOS. However, I expect they might have had to find the fan that owns that costume now or something.
Make It So
Jul 5, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
I maintain that it would have been an AWESOME meta comment to have the ultra-fake Gorn from TOS. However, I expect they might have had to find the fan that owns that costume now or something.
And also the styrofoam rocks that blew about in the wind when thrown.
HansBlix
Aug 9, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Carbon Creek rocked my world, a week before it came on I read the description on Memory Alpha and it sounded really really good. Despite the obvious 20th-century-again?!? shtik, the episode was beautifully shot and was immensely entertaining. Unusually great writing, and the ending was especially well done. God, I wish Ent was that good every week. Carbon Creek is now easily in my top 10 Trek episodes of all time (and of any series).
In regards to yet-another-rewriting of Trek canon, the First Contact issue - who cares? I easily swallowed the premise and plot of the episode, countless others (Little Green Men, Time's Arrow, etc) had technically altered the premise that first contact between aliens and humans took place in Montana in the 21st century.
Dahak
Aug 9, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
I liked Carbon Creek also. It was different. T'Pols ancestor looking exactly like her was kind of lame but it's a t.v. show so it is a requirement.
Now as far as changing their cannon I don't mind either. A lot of real world historical facts are to quote Obi-Wan true from a certain POV. To use a good example the US "became" a country on July 4, 1776. Sure the war didn't end until 1781 or 1783 depending on how you look at it. So if only the Vulcans knew they visited Earth in the early 60's (and not many of them) but everyone knew they were in Montana 2040 (or whenever it was exactly) then the official date is correct as long as most people think it's true.
HansBlix
Aug 11, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
In regards to T'Pol's grandma looking exactly like her - yeah, I would have expected a slightly diff wig and/or attitude, but no. Still, its not as bad as that one VOY episode where Kate Mulgrew plays one of her vaguely hobo ancestors from the 20th century. Brr. I cant say bad things about Janeway, she's from Indiana, and so am I.
chancellorjake
Aug 11, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
In the case of both episodes, I had always assumed that the ancestor actually looked different. Both episodes were told in flashback/story form, so I had guessed that the person telling the story had taken on the role of their ancestor, while telling the story. Plus, it was cheaper to tell the story this way than it would have been to hire a guest star for the role.
Besides, isn't it genetically impossible to look exactly like one of your ancestors. I know that it's a common story element in SciFi, but I thought it was pretty much impossible in reality.
John Potts
Aug 13, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
I thought T'Pol was claiming it was her (making her over 200 years old), not her grandmother. And it is possible that you could look exactly like your grandparents if you just happen to get all the right genes, it's just mind-buggeringly unlikely, though you could boost your chances if your parents were brother and sister (though it would still be astronomically improbable). Though my favourite scene in Carbon Creek is at dinner where T'Pol is eating a breadstick with a knife and fork. Trip or Archer say it's impossible but she persists and succeeds, with a "you mean you're not prepared to put in the effort" look at the end.
Peachy Keen
Aug 13, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
I like that breadstick scene too, but I think it's from Broken Bow, not Carbon Creek.
WannaBeBad2
Aug 14, 2007 @ 3:11 am
I thought T'Pol was claiming it was her (making her over 200 years old), not her grandmother.
I believe T'Pol said she was 63 years old or something during a cute argument with Trip near the end of Season THree. It was a rather touching moment for them since he'd always been trying to figure out her age.
danablue
Aug 14, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
T'Pol says somewhat indignantly when Trip compares her cracked skin to "an old oil painting" in Zero Hour (S3): "I will only be 66 years old on my next birthday."
In Carbon Creek, she says that the Vulcan woman was her foremother, I forget how many generations.
koweja
Sep 20, 2007 @ 9:25 am
Let's see. Episodes that stand out to me:
- In a Mirror Darkly is easily the best ENT episode. I was just handled so perfectly with the connection to TOS, plus Hoshi rocking in it helps me forget about her uselessness in Bound.
- I also enjoyed Terra Prime/Demons, even if the bad guy was a little too James Bond supervillianish.
- Azati Prime and Proving Ground were probably my two favorites of the Xindi arc.
- Doctor's Orders was also a great episode. If I forget that Dear Doctor existed, Phlox becomes one of my favorite characters.
- Similitude was a classic as well - they managed to handle moral ambiguity right for once.
- I really enjoyed Twilight, which suprised me since it was a Archer-centric reset button episode. Possibly the best teaser.
- Of the really early episodes, the ones that I liked the most were Civilization and Fight or Flight. Is that considered heresey in these parts?
In regards to T'Pol's grandma looking exactly like her - yeah, I would have expected a slightly diff wig and/or attitude, but no.
If there is one thing I hate in SciFi/Fantasy, it's when the same actor/actress is use to play thier ancestor/decendent. I just realized recently just how often they do it in Star Trek:
- Michael Dorn played Worf's grandfather in Star Trek VI
- Blalock played her granmotehr in Carbon Creek
- Brent Spiner played both Soongs
- As mentioned Kate Mulgrew played her ancestor in 11:59
I was surprised that this never bothered me since it usually does. Now, in STVI, I think I just assumed that it
was Worf and didn't give it a second thought, and I'm willing to overlook the Soong thing because I think it's a role that only Spiner could pull off that well. We can fanwank
11:59 and
CC by saying that since it was a narrated story, the narrator was simply putting themselves in the shoes of the main character of the story, so they didn't really look exactly like them.
Peachy Keen
Sep 20, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Of the really early episodes, the ones that I liked the most were Civilization and Fight or Flight. Is that considered heresey in these parts?
Yes, but we like heresy in these parts! ;) Please continue to mention your opinions here. It's always nice to get a new perspective.
Actually I think
Civilization is okay, although I don't like how they're trying to make Archer a Don Juan of the universe. I don't think Bakula pulled it off; he always looks awkward macking on chicks. It's not my favorite, but it's tolerable.
But I personally dislike
Fight or Flight because Archer is an Asshat. He's the captain of the ship! T'Pol didn't make him leave! What's he bitching at her for? Yet there he is, blaming her for recommending that they leave the dead alien ship that they know nothing about in case the attackers return and make Enterprise into a giant human slushie machine! He throws away her very good advice (refusing to listen simply because she's Vulcan) and were it not for a very conveniently arriving dead alien ship, Enterprise would have become a human slushie, just like she said. The ending was too convenient.
It's one of my biggest gripes about Archer's captaincy. He was often irresponsibly stupid, but his bad decisions were rewarded in the end with some luck or convenience, rather than skill or diplomacy.
If there is one thing I hate in SciFi/Fantasy, it's when the same actor/actress is use to play thier ancestor/decendent.
I find that the older I get, the happier I am when they do this. It helps me to recognize that the new character Jolene plays is related to T'Pol. Otherwise I might wonder why they bothered to tell me a story about someone I know nothing about and will never see again. It's also a money-saving trick, and anything that saves science fiction money, and therefore allows them to keep making science fiction TV is fine with me. I don't mind a little fanwanking now and again, just as long as I don't hurt myself reaching for an answer they didn't provide.
koweja
Sep 20, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
But I personally dislike Fight or Flight because Archer is an Asshat.
You make is sound as if there are episodes where he
isn't King Asshat of the Universe.
I enjoyed
FoF because I found the concept to be really interesting, plus since it was only the second episode, Archer's "LOL Vulcans are teh sux" metality hadn't gotten too tiresome yet. It was a cool episode since thier first encounter with an alien ship and they run into
that.
Peachy Keen
Sep 20, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
But I personally dislike Fight or Flight because Archer is an Asshat.
You make is sound as if there are episodes where he isn't King Asshat of the Universe.
Heh! Let me rephrase: I dislike FOF because it was the first indication I had that the Asshat I met in the Pilot would be sticking around and not growing more likable. Although my hope that he would drag his head out of his ass did not officially die until ANIS, it did dry up and waste away a little more each week in that first season.
I think the SFX crew was completely awesome. I loved the design of the alien ship! Like a big bug, wasn't it?
AD35
Jan 14, 2008 @ 10:58 pm
Having just watched Sci Fi's monday night marathon, watching "In A Mirror Darkly" again just reminds me of how it's one of my favorite eps of the series. The end of the ep had me wishing that another ep had been set in the mirror universe further on down in the show's run. "United" had the Earth/Vulcan/Andorian/Tellerite alliance coming together in face of the Romulan threat. That could have served as the series finale.
Wacoshade
Feb 4, 2008 @ 11:13 am
Having just watched Sci Fi's monday night marathon, watching "In A Mirror Darkly" again just reminds me of how it's one of my favorite eps of the series.
They reaired that episode again last night. I really enjoy it, too. It's so rich in its over the top cheesy evilness and its weird convoluted overlapping dimensional histories that it just makes me grin for the whole ep. It was obviously a very fun episode for the writers of the show, with a lot of research and depth from the entire Star Trek universe, including forgotten bits of TOS.
I still remember the first time I saw it, watching that intro interspersed with cuts from
First Contact, and when Cochran pulls out that pistol and blows away that Vulcan... HA! Too much awesome in one moment. And then the other humans standing around just whoop and holler and bumrush the Vulcan ship like looters in a riot.
And that different intro sequence was very cool, especially with the earth in the Terran Empire logo turning the wrong direction.
koweja
Aug 29, 2008 @ 10:36 pm
Ok, who was the wiseguy who told the SciFi channel that Bound is a fan favorite? I want names.
At least they showed some good ones like Sim and IAMD.