keckler
May 12, 2005 @ 10:10 pm
Riker.
Troi.
That's all I can say, because when my head exploded (again) it took my mouth with it.
For all that we've gone through in four years, this better be a kick ass finale.
Benito
May 13, 2005 @ 8:59 pm
When in doubt... kill a character.
Ew, ancient Potsie Riker. The 90 year old who still hasn't accepted a Captainship. That's leadership!
The less said about Troi and her hair, the better. Or T'Pol's future-hair (which looks a bit messier). Or Archer's hair in those Season 1 DVD commercials.
Yay, Data's voice! That was cool, at least.
And when exactly did Schran turn into a weenie?
I don't know. I'd say it was anticlimatic, except that would mean that there was ever an expectation of a climax.
bd80599
May 13, 2005 @ 8:59 pm
Worst...finale...ever
GreatJollyMoses
May 13, 2005 @ 9:02 pm
Ironically, this was the first time I liked the theme song.
Not sure this was a "kick ass" final episode. At least, it wasn't "kick"...
mustbekarma
May 13, 2005 @ 9:02 pm
No wonder this show died after just 4 seasons. You never, ever, kill off a Star Trek character. Dammit, Trip was my favorite character.
Didn't they learn anything after they tried to kill Spock?
Asshats!
Could be the worst finale ever. The series finale of Angel pissed me off. I'm really going to have to think about this one.
Darmok
May 13, 2005 @ 9:02 pm
Yeah, that was pretty bad.
The whole death was completely glossed over, and there was zero emotional response to it.
And rather than let us see Archer's big speech, the cut off the holodeck program.
While it was cool to see Riker and Troi again, and the 1701-D, I can see why the 'Enterprise' cast members thought the were getting the short shrift.
The Shran thing? Pointless.
The whole thing felt rushed and stupid.
lowkey
May 13, 2005 @ 9:02 pm
I wouldn't call it the WORST finale ever ... MASH and Seinfeld were pretty bad, and I never liked the DS9 finale either. That said ...
Riker and Troi added NOTHING. The story could have been told without them, and we would have been spared Troi's anvil-ish foreshadowing of Trip's fate. Guess they needed to fill in the 44 minutes
chancellorjake
May 13, 2005 @ 9:05 pm
R.I.P. Charles Tucker III
That death was completely pointless. In the previous episode Trip was shown to be quite resourceful and brilliant. I guess he got stoopid during those six years, or maybe it was just the horrible writing.
Well my HAAATE for Bermaga is now complete. I will never ever forget this complete and total betrayal.
End Rant...Maybe...
nerdyduck
May 13, 2005 @ 9:05 pm
I can't believe they killed the best character on this show. This finale sucked major ass!
Oracle42
May 13, 2005 @ 9:04 pm
Wow that sucked more than Haydn's performance in Star Wars II.
Jack Gladney
May 13, 2005 @ 9:05 pm
I'll say that the frame did invest the scene between Riker and Trip with a weird kind of poignance that I rather liked. Otherwise, it was a terrible idea to give the episode a Next Generation frame like that. It felt like the series finale for Enterprise was crusing through space and collided with a terrible piece of Next Genteration fan fiction, kind of like that episode of Star Trek where they meet the space probe that thinks William Shatner invented it. Also, I try to be generous and not get into stuff like this, but the years have not been kind to Mr. Frakes. He should have asked for more flattering attire, at least.
kgoklahoma
May 13, 2005 @ 9:05 pm
There is no way I believe that T'Pol would be sharing her "feelings" with the cook. There is Just. No. Way.
And they killed Trip. How rude!
Titus
May 13, 2005 @ 9:07 pm
To quote Jolene Blalock, the finale was "appalling."
I was never a huge fan of ENT, but I thought this show deserved a better end than that. The only cool moment was the montage of the three Enterprises at the very end, but I was hoping that they could somehow incorporate DS9 and VOY in there too to unify all the Treks.
shadow81dan
May 13, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
bd80599 I am in total agreement.
I mean, it sure was cool seeing some Next Gen scenes and sounds(seeing the holosuite open up almost brought a tear to my eye lol), but this episode seemed to be much more about Riker and adding some continuity to 'Pegasus' than it was about the NX-01 crew. I can see why Jolene was so upset and called the finale 'apalling'. The entire time these actors are concluding their show they have to have a couple of actors from an obviously more beloved series than theirs looking over their shoulder(literally)? What an ill conceived idea!
'All good things...' Heh. I did appreciate that.
Trip dying? I did not appreciate that. You don't kill off a main character in a series finale you dolts. You tell us where they are going from here(they could have used the next gen couple for that) and let Archer get his dorky applause and we all walk away happy. Instead you killed the baby and then one of the favorite characters of the show. Stupid.
So that's it for enterprise huh? I say bring back that mirror enterprise crew and let the empire have a couple seasons. Blah....
The 2nd Evil
May 13, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
I decided to make my first Enterprise episode, the series last episode.
Personally, I thought it was rather "meh" Thought it was rather good on some parts, so incredibly boring in others.
Overall? Probably a C+
BStu
May 13, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
When did killing a main character become such a rite of passage for finales? Annoys the heck out of me.
It was a decent (if not notable) episode of TNG but just plain weird for a finale to this show. Though T'Pol seemed to be trying very hard to be as non-Vulcan as possible. Is that just how she plays the character? I've missed most of this season, I must admit.
That said, Riker faked his youth reasonably well. If you ignored his eyes, you could even believe it for a second.
And seriously, the entire crew of that ship are cold hearted bastards. I don't care if "thats what Trip would have wanted," but try to be a little less jokey and smiley a couple days after you've lost a dear friend and crewmate. The Balcony trio didn't even acknowledge his existance while bickering about their seating, for goodness sake. Did Quantum tell people Trip died or is that secret or something? Jeez.
I'll say that the frame did invest the scene between Riker and Trip with a weird kind of poignance that I rather liked.
Word on that. That was the one scene that really felt good. Its tough to give a character a proper walk-off when you kill him off, but the framing device worked perfectly here for the one fitting moment in the episode.
GarySeven
May 13, 2005 @ 9:07 pm
Well, the ONLY thing good about this was the last few seconds ...
All three Enterprise captains reciting the prologue; all three Enterprises passing in review.
I confess that I experienced a moment of secretions from under my inner eyelid.
kaplode
May 13, 2005 @ 9:08 pm
I had read the spoilers and thought the episode sounded awful and not a fitting finale. I was right. My fourteen year old son wanted to know if B and B hated Trip. He too didn't think that the characters behaved 'in character'. I'll keep Terra Prime as my finale.
PureMantis
May 13, 2005 @ 9:08 pm
Ironically, this was the first time I liked the theme song.
Dude, totally the same for me, I noticed there was acoustic guitar in the backround that I'd never heard before.
But mainly I'm pissed that Trip died, they could have killed everyone except him, and I'd still be happy. I was just so disappointed.
Benito
May 13, 2005 @ 9:08 pm
Gee, too bad we also missed the scene where Schran was wracked with guilt over Trip dying. Oh wait. Schran is supposed to be shallow and badly written, not complex and meaningful. Got it.
Also there was all that emotional shortcut garbage instead of real emotion. T'Pol staring at Trip's stuff. Cap'n Furrows furrowing at people instead of emoting. People saying lame crap to "Chef".
I did like that the Q'rew got stuck in the worst seats in the house. Of course, as with all Trek tradition the crew was boiled down to like... four people who matter (not even always the highest ranked) and the rest went into a hole somewhere.
Also, why the heck were all of them still serving on the same ship? Someone explain that lame bit of justification, please?
Oh, never mind. Data's voice! Cool!
To quote Jolene Blalock, the finale was "appalling."
I've always thought she was a smart woman. And when she's right, she's right.
Warden
May 13, 2005 @ 9:10 pm
I think the voices and the opening theme were about the only good parts.
Elenita
May 13, 2005 @ 9:13 pm
Oh, god. This finale had all the resonance of champagne without the bubbles.
This was supposed to be a "Valentine to the fans?" Pfft.
depthfunction
May 13, 2005 @ 9:13 pm
Yay! The ill-conceived, poorly executed train wreck that was Enterprise has finally ended!
Now let us never speak of this awful series again.
Skategrrl
May 13, 2005 @ 9:13 pm
I'll keep Terra Prime as my finale.
Word to the nth degree.
Freakness
May 13, 2005 @ 9:14 pm
Well, I wasn't offended. That said, you could pretty much tell how pissed off Blalock was with the whole thing.
The framing device was interesting. It didn't completely work, but it was a ballsy move, I think. Frakes and Sirtis look a hell of a lot older than they did in Pegasus, though. And why would Data be consulting Troi of all people about the effect of long-term space travel on his positronic net? Is he concerned about psychological issues?
When Riker was talking to Reed and then asked "Were you ever attracted to him [Tucker]?" and then there was that split-second before we realized the scene had changed and he was now talking to Hoshi...that was golden. definitely a shout-out.
I also liked the references: "All good things..." and "here's to the next generation." That was cute. And the very end, with the three Enterprise captains all reciting the "to boldy go" speech was pretty cool and kind of stirring as well, though Bakula really sounded stilted during his bit of the recitation.
It could have been better, but it was nice to see Shran, and I liked that T'pol and Trip's relationship never resumed. I'm not disappointed, but I guess I'm fairly easy to please.
At any rate, I'll watch the next series.
shadow81dan
May 13, 2005 @ 9:15 pm
Did anyone else think that the scene towards the end with Riker as the chef and Trip was a little out of place? I mean obviously Trip was sort of dead at that point.
The only thing I can think is that(in show) Riker went back in the program a little bit to talk to trip a little more. However I have a feeling that(out of show) the editors were told to do that so that there would at least be a semblence of a farewell to Trip. You are all correct in that the NX-01 crew seemed awfully cold and almost jovial about his death.
What a wierd situation.
Last thing....when Shran's daughter said'Thanks pinkskin' I liked that too.
snav0561
May 13, 2005 @ 9:16 pm
I too was extremely disappointed. But I did cry when they showed the three ships. I don't know why, but all of the sudden, the tears were flowing.
My question though, is who is these people have served on the same ship for 10 years, without a single promotion? They went through a war with the Romulans, (despite the fact that it was not mentioned). Are we supposed to believe that the Enterprise's crew remained static though that experience?
And T'Pal needs to cut her hair. It was uber-distracting.
Actionmage
May 13, 2005 @ 9:16 pm
My local UPN didn't want "crazy Trekkies" calling in due to the basketball playoffs, so I missed Part two of last week's ep and got to be underwhelmed by the "finale."
Who in God's green biosphere thought that fans would enjoy that?!
Shut up,Riker! If you need to look at the first ENT's crew to do the right thing, you don't deserve your own ship! Oh! And don't kiss our CRACK WHORE!
Shut up,Troi!
Shut up,Quantum! others always have paid for your decisions, right or not. Just shut up. And let T'Pol grieve dammit.
Shut up,Bermaga! How disingenuous you two are! As a long-time fan of Star Trek, I am so not happy that this crew meant so little that you felt the need to add dancing bears at the end. Why not this story without all the Next Gen frou-frou?!Shut up some more!
The cast? Love you and wish you all well in the current future! Thank you for entertaining me for four years (give or take an ep here and there)!
I'm not sure what else to add as most of ya'll here are so eloquent.
"Program end." my ass!
eta: Don't forget, if Trip had the time, he might've told his parents about his Elizabeth. So they lost a daughter, a son, and a grandchild. I also don't think Trip would've wanted them to listen to Archer ramble on about gazelles and what not. Meet T'Pol? Yeah; The Gazelle-whisperer? Not so much.
And Shran's daughter was cute, and Data's voice (and Majel's!) was fun! But still. Ya know?
Sea
May 13, 2005 @ 9:16 pm
I didn't get how that situation was supposed to relate to Riker's in the Pegasus ep.
The only cool moment was the montage of the three Enterprises at the very end, but I was hoping that they could somehow incorporate DS9 and VOY in there too to unify all the Treks.
I was thinking the same thing.
Adric
May 13, 2005 @ 9:17 pm
Just how accurate could a holodeck recreation of the "Enterprise" times be anyway? I mean when you think about it, some individual living at least two hundred years later had to piece together the program based on whatever contemporary records he could find.
Basically, while it would be a stretch to say that the entire series was only loosely connected to the "facts", it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to think that events in the final episode may have been rough approximations of recorded history.
That's my take on it anyway. As a piece of drama though, it really was pretty appalling, and utterly unmoving...
Unusual Suspect
May 13, 2005 @ 9:18 pm
Okay, the ending montage of the three Enterprises was cool. They lit all three of the Enterprise-D's impulse engines, though.
But that was such a pathetic episode. Using "Pegasus" was such a poor framing concept, I didn't even see the parallel as that great. Why this situation would help Riker decide escapes me. And I love how they "built suspense" by having Troi give away Tucker's death, so we'd wonder how he'd kick the bucket.
So long Enterprise, and thanks for all the cheese.
frenchtoast
May 13, 2005 @ 9:20 pm
The only thing I can think of is, "Poor Trip's parents. They lost a daughter and a son to pointless, meaningless deaths."
That and they besmirched "All Good Things...." No. Just, no.
I'm getting awfully tired of continuity. Thank god it's over. Talk about laying it on thick: Shran marries Jamel (remember her?) and names his daughter Talas after his lover. Greeeaaat. Thanks, guys.
For me, the finale is the end of "United" when all the ships converge after the "Marauder" warps out. That was a beautiful image and more appropriate than this one.
amityisland
May 13, 2005 @ 9:21 pm
Instead you killed the baby and then one of the favorite characters of the show. Stupid.
There's an old episode of the show
Mystery Science Theatre 3000 where the robots, Tom and Crow, are so upset that when a character they really liked in the film they were watching was killed, in the final segment Joel said they could rewrite the ending so that she lived and that they didn't
have to accept the character's death just because the filmakers wanted them to.
That's what I'm doing...
Hey Bermaga - Trip didn't die! I don't have to accept your stupid finale!
So there!:-P
ctcasares
May 13, 2005 @ 9:23 pm
Well...that was horrible.
I admit I haven't watched in ages. I got sucked back in with the Mirror Universe episodes, which were okay, but I couldn't believe how awful Bakula is. Furrows, indeed.
But what the hell was this episode? We just see Trip and T'Pol lose their "daughter", and are told that Vulcan/Human hybrids are possible, and BOOM! suddenly it's more than six years after their **breakup**. No other little Vulcmans till Spock, eh?
What happened to their "bond"? What happened to T'Pol caring enough about Trip to name the baby Elizabeth? Did they never speak to each other again???
Bermaga just hit the giant reset button so that nothing that ever happened actually affected anyone. It was just so wrong--especially following immediately after "Terra Prime" which wasn't so great either.
AND THEN THEY JUST KILLED TRIP.
Bad episode.
Bad series.
Bad producers.
With any luck, Paramount will hold onto "Star Trek" until someone new can take it over. Rick Berman killed it.
ETA: And what was with T'Pol at the end? When she was left hiding in the antechamber before the "famous" speech--she was wiggling all over the place like she was having some sort of spasms. Is that normal?
Curare
May 13, 2005 @ 9:24 pm
Awful. Seriously. Just Awful. I like that ep of TNG and I when I watch on Spike I will not think of this ep at all.
naters22
May 13, 2005 @ 9:26 pm
Fucking Bermaga.
They have singlehandedly killed off my favorite characters from each of the Star Trek series they have been involved with. (Except for Jadzia, I don't think they were involved in DS9's writing). "Valentine to the fans" my ASS.
Poor T'Pol, she lost her baby and the love in her life, all in the span of two hours in front of the TV. Yeah, Jolene, that was appalling.
The yellow grid holodeck looked incredibly fakey blue-screeney. But it was cool to see Ten-Forward again, I was hoping for a glimpse of Wise!Old!Whoopi.
All those complaints aside, for the most part the finale was well acted (even Bakkula seemed less asshatty this evening). The Trip/Riker scene was incredible.
Benito
May 13, 2005 @ 9:25 pm
The framing device was interesting. It didn't completely work, but it was a ballsy move, I think.
Sure, and it might have worked if they looked less ancient, and if this hadn't been the finale (it might have worked at some other point).
Did anyone else think that the scene towards the end with Riker as the chef and Trip was a little out of place? I mean obviously Trip was sort of dead at that point.
The only thing I can think is that(in show) Riker went back in the program a little bit to talk to trip a little more. However I have a feeling that(out of show) the editors were told to do that so that there would at least be a semblence of a farewell to Trip.
Oh sure. They just forgot to add Riker asking the program to rewind. It would have been like... 5 extra seconds of shooting.
It could have been better, but it was nice to see Shran,
The problem is that he was misused, and certainly didn't help send the overall positive message the writers seemed to be (badly) aiming for. He came off ridiculously one-dimensional.
Really, it's the stuff that WASN'T thought out that pissed me off more than any of that--that they were all still on the ship 6 years later, that they all reacted like cardboard cutouts, that their final "hurrah" wasn't saving the world but was just a dumb personal mission, that Trip DIED in such a small way instead of something grander (sure he saved Cap'n, but Spock and Data saved the whole ship).
spintronic
May 13, 2005 @ 9:26 pm
oh dear...
Thought "Nemesis" was bad.. but this... Oh dear..
Why does Trek have to go out like that??
"In A Mirror, Darkly" was the end for me
I think this was a way for B&B to throw a bit of a
certain expletive to the fans.
(I hope this doesn't show up twice...)
wrxfanatic
May 13, 2005 @ 9:26 pm
Oh my God, this was so boring, so bad, it's as if they wanted to justify killing this show.
Unusual Suspect
May 13, 2005 @ 9:26 pm
Heh. We Canadians get to see how far Enterprise has come, as they're showing "Regeneration" after the finale. And ... it's not far.
fritzjr
May 13, 2005 @ 9:27 pm
That said, Riker faked his youth reasonably well. If you ignored his eyes, you could even believe it for a second.
...and it looks like Deanna's been into the chocolate quite a bit recently. I suppose the camera adds ten pounds.
Perhaps that was meant as an homage to Shatner.
CaptainSnarky
May 13, 2005 @ 9:30 pm
The only cool moment was the montage of the three Enterprises at the very end, but I was hoping that they could somehow incorporate DS9 and VOY in there too to unify all the Treks.
They could have had the
Defiant and, yes, even
Voyager swooping by--hell, they could have even gotten Avery Brooks and Kate Mulgrew to do a line or two of the monologue. I think it would have worked.
Thank God this shit is over.
shadow81dan
May 13, 2005 @ 9:30 pm
There's an old episode of the show Mystery Science Theatre 3000 where the robots, Tom and Crow, are so upset that when a character they really liked in the film they were watching was killed, in the final segment Joel said they could rewrite the ending so that she lived and that they didn't have to accept the character's death just because the filmakers wanted them to.
That's what I'm doing...
Ha! I used to love that show and even though I don't remeber that specific event, I could easily see that happening. I think I will do the same...
Hmm...Trip was never physically shown dead was he? Maybe, since another poster pointed out that this may just be a rough approximation of history, he actually lived and the funeral was for the invader guys but something got messed up in someone's log? :-). Yeah that's it. Trip survived and met Wolfgang Riker a few minutes later to talk.
Something I was wondering...
When T'pol commented to Trip about what the 'Chef' said, that didn't really seem to work well for me. Theoretically, while Riker could interact with the characters and talk and so forth, unless the original chef made very similar comment about their past relationship, the holosuite wouldn't alter the story to allow for Riker's influence. Maybe when the program is on interactive(since riker was in NX uniform on that shuttle) the program adjusts for influences by the interactee(if that's a word). Just something on my mind....
Lead Magnet
May 13, 2005 @ 9:36 pm
I feel compelled to pile on to the chain of "appalling" posts...
I kept thinking throughout the episode "TNG ended eleven years ago." Though I can't figure out exactly what Riker was trying to extract from watching Trip's death given how pointless that whole scenario was. Then his death gets about zero reaction from the cast and Phlox makes a joke about Archer's good luck? Argh.
The 1701-D looked rather nice.
Eighteen years of continuous new Star Trek, and that's a wrap, folks. If it doesn't get any better, keep it dead for another twenty years.
spintronic
May 13, 2005 @ 9:35 pm
When T'pol commented to Trip about what the 'Chef' said, that didn't really seem to work well for me. Theoretically, while Riker could interact with the characters and talk and so forth, unless the original chef made very similar comment about their past relationship, the holosuite wouldn't alter the story to allow for Riker's influence. Maybe when the program is on interactive(since riker was in NX uniform on that shuttle) the program adjusts for influences by the interactee(if that's a word). Just something on my mind....
Then I suppose it wasn't just me that the ep was "forced" into
trying to feel like TNG versus an enterprise ep????
If that is the case, damn, that's cold
at least let it go out with it's own dignity...
Benito
May 13, 2005 @ 9:36 pm
Can I officially request that the recap of this episode include the phrase "crapped all over". As in "Bermanga crapped all over the fans" or "the finale crapped all over the characters" or even "this crap crapped all over any hope that this show could head out with class"?
Maybe the secret intent of this was to prove that the decision to cancel was entirely justified.
Adric
May 13, 2005 @ 9:36 pm
There was precious little indication that there had been any significant change within the crew over the past six years. Then again, not much had happened in the first four years either. Perhaps the "valentine" was the creators easing the "pain" of not getting six more seasons out of this show. "See, you didn't miss anything significant by not getting more seasons." Happy Valentines indeed!
MetropolisGal
May 13, 2005 @ 9:43 pm
I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who thought this episode was crap.
Berman and Braga killed Trip! Those bastards!
Seriously, when they kill off a cast member for a stupid reason and can't even write a damned speech for Archer to give to the proto-Federation... bunch of wankers.
So long, Enterprise. You deserved better. And I too will pretend "Terra Prime" was the finale. Even though it sucked, at least it actually had a PLOT and made me cry over baby Elizabeth.
thingamajig
May 13, 2005 @ 9:49 pm
I want to kick Berman and Braga in the nuts.
I do hope that the end of the series means that Bakula can have surgery to correct that stick-up-his-ass problem; I'd like to like him again.
The three Enterprises and captains at the end was the only thing I liked.
Nflux Forever
May 13, 2005 @ 9:50 pm
I know that the finale pretty much blew, but I did like when Riker was talking to Reed and all of a sudden, Riker asks "Were you ever attracted to Trip". It thought that was pretty funny (for all of 3 seconds until we realized that Riker was now talking Hoshi). Oh well. After 4 years of this crap I've gotten use to disappointment.