Oooh, I wonder what's going to happen to T'Pol and Trip?! Do you think RoboCreep is going to KILL them? He TOTALLY might. I'll bet he gets REALLY close to taking over the world and making all those alien things leave the area. I HOPE and PRAY that Quantum can get there in time to make EVERYTHING ALL RIGHT! He's their ONLY HOPE!

Trip *and* Phlox angst in the last seven minutes had me grabbing the Kleenex box. (Yes, I am a geek, sue me.) Dear Lord, those two are incredible actors.

I would have been happy if that had been the last episode -- everyone had important roles and screen time.

Besides, how can you beat the "people are beginning to talk" exchange (why, yes they are, and they are all on TWoP) and Reed losing his cookies on a flight?

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to find my "Kevin and Britney" voodoo dolls.

Trineer and Billingsly acted the hell out that ep. Park was good also. Bakula didn't stink up the joint, and given the scenario, it appeared even Blaylock laid off the crack. Rare to say this, but I think they all *cough* did a good job.

Except for May-this-is-my-last-acting-job. If he was any more wooden, some guy in a bib would be wiping him down with Minwax. Ech.

And speaking of guys wiping each other down, does this shit just write itself? Reed and some other leather clad guy meeting in a steamy alleyway in San Fran at night, wondering if "people will talk?" I think the Indian, the Construction Worker, the Cop and the Cowboy were lurking behind a dumpster, ready to embark on their reunion tour, circa Stardate 4172.5.

Well, enough time has passed so that I can go Tivo through the commercials and watch Jeffrey Combs rock. And the other 40 odd minutes of the last nail in the coffin.

Wow. The finale is going to have to be freaking spectacular to explain why this wasn't the finale. Honestly.

I'm so annoyed she had to die.

Loved the "Hello, I'm your mother" scene between T'Pol and the baby. It's just funny with the baby completely ignoring her mother while the latter is being so formal.

Also thought the name very appropriate.

Baddy McWeekly's (can't remember his name... oh yeah Paxton) dying words were way too cheesy.

Hoshi's newfound backbone was particularly enjoyable after the MU arc. I yelled, "Long live the Empress!" at the TV.

P.S. Did Americans get to see the finale right after this ep too or was it just us Canadians?

Did anyone else chuckle at Reed turning into a goonie when he was locked up by 'Robocreep'? He gets thrown in there, and all of a sudden they turn on an 80's boombox and he, Mikey, and Data commence hatching a plan of escape.

Good episode...

Hey, it was MUCH better than the episode which followed it. Peter Weller should have been in every episode.

The worst part was Furrows' lame speech at the end. It made me glad we didn't have to hear his speech at the end of the following episode.

Oh, good, then it wasn't just me saying, "Kiss him already!"?

The final scene with T'Pol and Trip was the best - Connor Trinner rocks as usual.

From Mrs. FFX:

T'Pol: I won't allow you to harm this child.
Terra: I won't have to.
T'Pol: What do you mean by that?
Terra: Well, she's a CRACKWHORE.

Well, all the scenes about the baby kicked ass, Billingsley, Blalock and Trinneer were awesome, but the Terra Prime plot? Sucked ass. Ensign nobody's suicide was so pointless I forgot to complete the sentence when I first posted.

And for pity's sake, if you've got a weapon with a "stun" setting, WHY Don't You Use IT!

I have to give major props to Billingsley and Trinneer for making me care about their characters and the reactions to the baby. I didn't really much care about the baby, to be honest, but their grief was so well-acted, that I got teary in spite of myself.

"People will talk" indeed. And I loved Phlox playing with the oxygen mask. And Travis and Reed doing some minor investigation. Wish we could have seen more of that during the past years than Archer's furrows.

ETA It helps when one includes all parts of the sentence. I didn't much care about the health of the baby. I'm coldhearted, what can I say?

Well, at least until they k... never mind. Too easy.

Trip is one of my all-time favourite characters and I think Trinneer is a superb actor. I think Billingsley is quite good as well.

Loved the interactions between T'Pol and Elizabeth, and Trip's grief at the end was very heart-wrenching.

Hey, anyone know why in the world Hoshi didn't fire during the final countdown? I get the hesitation with two minutes, even one minute. But even if she knew Archer and Robocreep were fighting and there was still a chance to stop the countdown, it was 15...10....5 seconds for goodness sake. Fire! I kept waiting for them to cut away and show Hoshi having an internal struggle and be on the edge of saying 'Fire' and then have Archer comm 'All's well' or whatever. Bad decision making there even though it turned out ok.

Maybe they could have done it like they did in Best of Both Worlds and have her go 'Fi....' when Archer comms in and tells her the countdown has stopped or soemthing. I don't know...just a bad scene for Hoshi considering it was her first time in command(outside of the mirror universe).

After Capt'Asshat gave his speech at the end to the delegates and everyone began clapping, was it just me or did you expect him to turn around to his people and order them to clap louder? Ass.

They did show a bit of the internal struggle that Hoshi was going through, when Quantum called and let her know they had the control room, she had tears in her eyes...

Trinneer and Billingsley knocked both of theirs out of the park. And right into my heart. <dabs eyes with tissue> Even Jolene, with her non-emotional emotional acting, did a good job.

The Terra Prime plot was still bland to me, but I enjoyed it regardless.


This was the best part about the episode.

And the Carl Sagan memorial was a nice touch. Made me smile.

Mayweather was still too wooden. He is best regulated to one-liners.

Archer didn't even bother me until his speech. Archer gives the worst speeches.

Well, a big ol' "meh" from me for that episode.
The baby plot was pretty predictable, but I'll echo the cheers for Phlox and Trip. They did a great job with what they had.

The Robo-cop plot was tedious as hell.

Also, why the hell would Archer stand right in front of a window that was obviously going to blow out? That made no sense to me. Plus, the fact that the window seemed to burst inward, which doesn't seem likely since Mars' atmospheric pressure is much lower than Earth's (which, presumably would be what the Mining facility was calibrated for).

They should have run the Terra Prime episodes before the Mirror episodes, and thus lead into the finale on a stronger note.

It still wouldn't have been "What You Leave Behind" or "All Good Things...", but this would have been a fitting finale for the series. Quantum's speech wasn't anything special, but it was better than 30 seconds of Earth at the very end... game.

But, now, knowing what I know about what's to come... I'm fighting the urge to just turn the TV off. I want *this* to be the finale (especially the Trip angst... whimper)... but I guess I'll need to force it.

no shit! No, you'll just trust these terrorists to not push a button when you could stun them and restrain them. Dumbasses. Even worse was Archer looking at the cracking window, giving Trip his oxygen mask just in case the window blows and then going and standing in front of the breaking window. Asshat.

Phlox and Trip were awesome in their grief. T'Pol was Vulcany in her silent grief. This is my series finale.

I agree, this was my season finale too. The acting was just out of the park at the end.

I cheered at that peek at "Empress Sato," also. Hee.

I also let out a shriek of laughter when Trip hit the guard. "OK," indeed.

The baby stuff made me cry. I liked this episode a lot.

Me too. (If only you'd followed your instincts, Harrison Fjord!)
I love Trinneer, Blalock, and Billingsley. They really sold me on the tragedy of the baby.
Quantum, on the other hand, is a big stupidhead.

I was looking at him standing in front of the window thinking, "WTF? He's gotta have some plan. Somehow standing in front of the breaking window will actually help him. -- Nope. Ok. He's an idiot."

That aside, this was a decent season finale. Lalalalala! I can't hear you! Lalalalala! There was no other episode! Lalalalala! ;)

I'm with Anabanana. This is the season/series finale. I don't know what the hell that other POS episode was. Trip and T'pol mourning their baby was the best acting I've seen from both of them.

I'm still watching the finale, but even before it started, at the end of this episode, I was also thinking that this would make a great finale.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one tearing up about the baby. What got me the most was the very final moment when Trip and T'Pol were sitting next to each other and she grabbed his hand. That was when my sniffling started. (Of course, I was also thinking that she had illogically long fingernails.)

I loved the baby's name, but I thought it was not the best emotional choice to name a dying baby after your dead sister. Two dead Elizabeth Tuckers. Great.

They never did sufficiently explain to me why Trip was chosen to pair with T'Pol's DNA. Was it just to lure him there so they could get him to do engineering work? Also, when they broadcast the video of the baby, I thought, "Well, looks like a Vulcan baby to me." What about what they showed gave evidence that the baby also had human DNA? That's what they were trying to convince the people back on Earth of, and I don't think they they did a very good job.

Also, I thought it was strange when the minion guarding Trip said something like "You obviously did more than that, and look what it got. Some half-human thing." Uh, Trip's and T'Pol's behavior did not produce that child. Your group did, dude.

Long live Empress Sato! Er, Ensign Sato!

Phlox, Trip, T'Pol rock. As usual.

Let me get this straight: Terra Prime shows a cute baby to the world, so the world is horrified? Are you kidding? Everything baby-sized is cute! Even lizards and cockroaches and baby Xindi.... How are you going to freak a planet out by showing it a baby?

SHow them a teenaged hybrid, that'll learn 'em. "I ain't cleanin' my room. It's not logical, dumbass!" THAT would send Earth running for cover!

I love Reed. Shadowy meetings on docks and all.

Cried about baby Elizabeth dying.. so sad. Seeing Trip in tears and T'Pol dry-eyed but grieving seemed to point out the human / Vulcan differences. And T'Pol grabbing Trip's hand to join in comforting each other was like a real parental moment. BTW, where do you get a French Manicure on a mining ship?

On a hee hee note, did anyone else want to see the former mayor of Sunnydale turn into a giant snake and swallow Peter Weller's character? It would have made as much sense as *standing in front of a breaking window!!!*

From the "These Are the Voyages..." Thread...



The fact that they WERE lined up together in just this fashion at the end of "Terra Prime" is one of the main reasons it felt like a series finale, and this did not.

I wonder if the Reeves-Stevenses and Coto knew what Bermaga had planned and gave us "Terra Prime" as... a consolation prize?

There were some good finale moments here, like Reed and Phlox counting how many planets they've landed on, and the whole crew lined up. Add in some excellent acting from Trineer and Billingsley (and even Blalock at the very end) over the baby, and I call it a successful episode.
As he started, I shouted "Gazelles!" Poor keckler's probably going to miss it again.
Archer told her they had control of the weapon, so she didn't know there was any danger.
Yeah, that was all kinda iffy. Mars isn't a vacuum, but being exposed to its atmosphere isn't going to give you the coughs. It's going to kill you pretty quickly. As often as Archer's survived exposure to vaccuum, though, I guess I shouldn't be surprised he had no trouble here.

This should of been the series finale. They should of had a two hour finale with this episode and last weeks.

I find it hard to believe Phlox could not fix up the baby.

You just know that Verfishcakes beam blasting into the ocean outside S. F. Bay killed the last sperm whale!

Now how're they gonna fix that I wonder . . .

They did mention that Mars was being terraformed, which is why the verfishcakes (tm skeevo666) beam had to be constantly recalibrated - it had been designed for use in Mars' original atmosphere.

Why you'd even want to locate your asteroid deflector inside any atmosphere at all, and at the bottom of a gravity well too, is beyond me...

All in all, though, not a bad finale. (No, that excrescence that polluted my screen afterward wasn't real - I just had too much pumpkin ale, is all. No, it wasn't real! I'm not listening!! Lalalalala....)

This episode also bought me to tears.Trinneer and Blalock made the episode. I think this is Trinner's best episode to date. The plot was bad, but again the actors made it good. And the baby was so cute. I refused to watch the finale and I didnt.

Certainly better than Part the First, although that’s damning with faint praise. And agree with those in the These Are the Voyages... thread who think this would have made a better ending. Just tack on the TOS theme and Picard, Kirk and Archer reciting the opening monologue and voila! Fitting series finale.

Love that Hoshi had the con! Giving the highest-ranking officer on the ship the command made so much more sense than giving it to the next available male. Long live Empress She-Ho!

Kinda disappointed the Mayor wasn’t evil, though I thought that was the direction they were headed when he was standing in the mess hall and watching Hoshi get the traitor call. Chuckled a bit at his ending reference to demons, though.

Glad both Gary Graham and Eric Pierpoint ended up on the same ep, even if they didn’t get a scene together. Such is the Alien Nation fangirl in me.

Didn’t think Archer’s speech at the end was as bad as most folk did; although again, damning with faint praise. I found it far more compelling than the gazelle speech.

Oh, but Trip fair broke my heart in telling T’Pol about the possibility of a Vulcan/human hybrid that could live. Phlox couldn’t even get me to care much about baby Elizabeth’s death, even though he was spectacular, as usual, but Trip...man. Got to agree with all those who’ve said throughout posts on this board that of all the characters, Trip is the only one who has grown. Used to dismiss Trip as a cracker stereotype, but he really became a three-dimensional character as time went on. And Quantum at least managed to show a bit of compassion for Phlox's obvious distress; so sad to think that poor writing and lack of direction robbed us of the chance to see Bakula flex his acting muscles.

So many hints in this past season - particularly in the past couple of weeks - of what this series could have been with better writers and showrunners.

Hitting a couple of earlier posts I wanted to address:



Right there with ya, mysticowl. Such a great portrayal of someone who hasn’t a clue how to deal with a baby! About the best Vulcan I’ve ever seen Jolene Blalock pull off.



Agree so very much, lith4; thought it was sweet and oh so fitting somehow.



Except the finale as presented would have still sucked, Arnold Robinson.



RedEndora, I just wanted to see the Mayor turn into a giant snake period. Cause that was a hoot-and-a-half and still would be.

Hey, how cool would it have been if the Giant Snake Mayor ate some delegates? That’d stop the conference.



Wise choice, etiger; stick with it.



Well, he did make a point of saying there was a problem at the genetic level, funkyD. Considering this was the first Vulcan/human hybrid, it’s certainly within the realm of possibility that he simply didn’t have enough data to come up with a cure before T’Elizabeth died. Also, Trip tells T’Pol at the end that RoboCreep’s doctors had made a mistake in their cloning, so the error may have been at such a basic molecular level that Phlox couldn’t have altered it even if he had the time.

At least, that’s my take on it.

For me it did have a point. As soon as Robocreep mentioned that they got Trip's and T'Pol's DNA from their agent on Enterprise, I thought it was Kelby. And the fact that they avoided the cliche of "The Traitor is the Guy Who's Been in 5 Episodes" impressed me, even if they used another cliche to get out of it.

First off I actually enjoyed this episode as a whole - I'll admit it.

What bugged me was:

1. Quantum's commando team - 4 senior officers storming in (sans Uh-Oh's) and overcoming a well-armed and well-disciplined terrorist outfit. Pur-lease.

2. After Elizabeth's death, Quantum forcing Trip and T'Pol to endure another gazelles speech at a diplomatic setting. Come on, these two people just suffered the worst sort of grief imaginable, yet Captain Big Head needs them to witness his everlasting greatness and importance. That man is just such an ASS. And that this point, an unforgivable ASS.

What I liked:

The scene with Trip and T'Pol when their baby died and the scene in quarters after had me bawling. I'll just leave it at that.

I agree with the others; this would have been a fitting and just ending to the series, but no, Bermaga had to go and fuck that up as usual.

Well, this episode wasn't too bad...(the second one truly deserved Blaylock's "appalling"; I shut it off after the second commercial).
Of course, I was a bit annoyed at Hoshi for allowing the array thingy to fire - after all, why should she be caught off guard just because bungling Quantum radioed that he had everything under control?

The baby was cool. She could teach T'Pol quite a bit about Vulcan calm. T'Pol's crack-whoring was mostly under control in this ep, but the next one - god, she OBVIOUSLY didn't give a shit anymore, did she?

Oh, me too! Unfortunately, I could never figure out which character Eric Pierpoint was playing.

He was Malcolm's Section 31 boss.

Oooohh, ok. Now I can see it. That's the problem with playing aliens all the time, when you start playing humans, nobody recognizes you!

Trinner ought to put that scene on his "for Emmy consideration" roll, because damn, he was magnificent.

Did anyone else notice how Malcolm's shoulders drooped when he heard how many more planets Phlox had set foot on? I thought it was cute.

All told, a big improvement over last week. I haven't seen the finale yet, and from what I'm hearing here, I shouldn't hurry.

It's really too bad; the poor guy never had a chance to develop as a character. And why didn't Cap'n Quantum tackle him after Ensign Nobody started to point the phaser at himself? Overall, the whole scene was a criminal waste of our time and Paramount's money.

The Reeves-Stevenses should have been onboard the writing staff from the first season. They seem to get it. They were able to conclude that crappy "Demons" with a pretty good ep that felt like a finale (still haven't seen TATV yet).

I liked the touches of humor and the fun-to-watch Universal Theme Park Comet Ride. The Reeves-Stevenes episodes of Enterprise always feel like pulpy sci-fi. Just like watching a Pocket Trek novel come to life.

There were touching finale moments in there, like Quantum telling Hoshi how much she's grown, and The Phlox breakdown, even though it was nearly ruined by unnecessary furrowing.

I think Quantum's speech, as written would have been touching, but as delivered by Bakula, came off a bit cheesy. I think if Patrick Stewart or even Kate Mulgrew gave the same speech, it would have been touching. But Bakula managed to do his ham, wood and furrow act all over it.

I also liked how the final scene with Trip and T'Pol (sniff!) managed to foreshadow Spock and shout-out TOS with saying something stupid like, "Here's to...THE NEXT GENERATION." Oh, well...off to the finale.

As much as I liked the scenes with T'Pol, Trip and the baby, was I the only person who thought that Trip could have picked a better time to mention that a human/Vulcan hybrid was possible? Hubby and I felt like he was propositioning her. If they just wanted continuity with Spock, Phlox could have mentioned it when he said that he couldn't help Elizabeth. "But, had the cloning been done correctly..."

I thought he said it as a point of comfort. Before, they had not only lost Elizabeth but also had no hope of ever having another child. After he said it, they at least had hope.

I got the propositing vibe, but it didn't hurt the scene for me.

I took his comment as there was still hope for them as a relationship and as parents; and that it was not "their fault" that Elizabeth died....Paxton's medical team screwed-up.

I would think that even for a Vulcan, to have carried "guilt" for the child's death would have been a heavy burden. A sense of failure. Tripp's comment to T'Pol absolved them of that guilt. Elizabeth died not for what they did, nor for whatand who they were.

I know that was the intent. It was just weird. In general, you don't comfort a grieving parent by saying you can have more (even in this case where there was a question about it).

Also, I think that story wise, if they weren't going to have Trip and T'Pol have a kid or even be a couple, which we now know they didn't, someone else could have done that explaination. I mean, I'm not the only one who expected a little 5 year old Vulcan/human running around Enterprise in the last episode, am I?

Hee. So did I. I was all "Oh no, not the Gazelles again!!" Quantum blesses the rains down in Anvil-ca. (tm keckler)

I also loved T'Pol's "I am your mother" convo with the babe. So cute.