Trip and T'Pol sitting in a tree n-u-d-g-i-n-g! First comes sex, then comes games, then comes a baby of bi-racial fame!

Started this thread up because the other one seems to be locked.

Oh God the theme song is back..UGHHHHH!!!!


This episode was much better than I expected. Nice to see Mayweather get some significant screen-time. Nice to see that the TIN MAN has enough time to let his Bajoran friend run the Federation. Also since when did Lindsey Lohan decide she wanted to do a Star Trek episode. Next weeks actually looks pretty cool..It was nice seeing Troi and Riker in uniform again, since it's the last time we will ever see it.

I guess they have decided to explain every plot hole with the phrase" I know, because I'm Vulcan" . Just that phrase alone would stir the Terra-Prime revolution into action.

God, this episode bored the living hell out of me. I honestly didn't give a damn about Terror Primo, since it's all gonna be neatly wrapped up next week--in time to see TNG-Redux. The Peter Weller Evil Racist was so thinly drawn, I expected him to twirl his moustache or bust out with "Sieg Heil!"

Gee, Lois Loser, Intrepid Reporter was a spy? Who'd'a thunk it? Especially since the UPN Promo Monkeys totally spoiled it during the first fucking commercial break!

God, next week can't come soon enough. Then our long national nightmare will be over.

While watching Travis and Gannett in bed, and Travis said, "I've got a question," Mr. Toast interjected, "Why are you still wearing a bra?"

It wasn't horribly boring like "Daedulus". It wasn't horribly insulting like "Bound". I think after the high that was the mirror universe, it was almost a let down seeing them normal again.

And now cleo's most excellent Section 31 pixel entry doesn't seem too far off. At least we know what Malcolm will be doing after the season is over.

Other than that, the only other high point was actually seeing Anthony Montgomery (that's his name, right?) act. That and seeing the guy from "Tin Man".

Isn't Gannett a news conglomerate? I thought that was a little "on the nose" for a reporter's name. Plus, she looked distractingly like Lindsay Lohan. My roommate kept calling her Lindsay Nohan.

We couldn't decide on a name for Peter Weller, though. XenoCop? RoboPhobe?

I kept waiting for someone to point out that while T'Pol had never been t'pregnant, Trip sure had. Sure, I guess the timing is wrong, and it was with that lizard looking woman, but I wanted someone to point it out anyway!

Overall a good episode, I thought. Heavy handed but not unexpectedly so. Minimal Archer, which is always a good thing.

We decided on the Cigarette Smoking Man.

I actually liked the episode...although, in keeping with the X Files theme, Reed should just tape a giant X in his window when he wants to contact his spy friends.

Mayweather gets lines *and* laid. Who da thunk it?

Well, Peter Weller is a very fine actor and did quite well with his part, which was a cross between Dr. Evil and Hugo Drax.

And I absolutely loved the "archival" film of Col. Green. FINALLY what and who he was gets better development in the canon.

But, otherwise, sheesh. What a bunch of dreck.

Well, that was horrendously boring and incredibly telegraphed. The only thing I don't get is Terra Prime's plan ... seems even too complicated for Doctor Evil.

May-I-Get-Some-Booty? Good. Tin Man guy? Good. Robocop? Gooooood.

Didn't really add up to much, though.



I thought about that too, Cyb! I was waiting for T'Pol to say to him, "I was never pregnant, but YOU were, you big inter-species slut!"

I guess these eps let you down a little for two reasons.

1. After the fantastic "mirror" excursion, you probably couldn't help but be disappointed.
2. Knowing the end is nigh, you expect to end with a flourish, rather than some generic "specism is bad." Granted that's an important political point in the founding of the Federation, but hell, I could watch c-span.

I was distracted by the same "Gannet" thing, Cyb. Did USA Today give Enterprise a bad review?

And what's up with the bra? If it was Lindsay Lohan, I'm sure they needed that "anti grav" injection just to keep the planets aligned, so to speak.

Okay ep. Nice to see the "b-team" getting something to do.

Too little Phlox.

And in the future, aren't we supposed to see the "upturned suit coat collar" as a de rigueur fashion statement? Looked like they just went to Mens Wearhouse, Sea of Tranquility branch.

What was XenoCop injecting? Was that the anti-grav stuff? Or will this be an evil foreshadowed plot point? His performance was well restrained, IMO, for a role without a lot of development.

And "Tin Man" was on Spike today! Weird, huh? Though I did expect Tin Man/Federation Pol to start eating a box of spiders or comment on how much he just loves "Family Circus." ;0)

Good continuity porn on Col Green, BTW.

Wow. No wonder they never gave May-rillywerollalong plots or lines. He's really bad.

So...in the future, test tube babies are a myth? I mean, why is it so hard for Trip and T'Pol to believe they can have a baby without getting pregnant?

Too late in the season(and the series) to be trying this story now. They should have done it when they went back to Earth the first time after the Xindi attack.

Kind of fitting that they show this episode during Holocaust Remembrance.

I actually burst out laughing after I thought about his discussion with Quantum about faith. I suppose after I got blown up by the Slayer, I would find Faith less useful as well.

After the mirror arc, this is kind of boring. Mayweather was pretty wooden.

Time to check the latest episode thread... yep, Lindsay Lohan has already been mentioned... my work here is done.

While this episode was pretty dull it wasn't a POS like Bound or Daedulus.
This is the type of things that the writers should have been doing during season 2. Imagine if they would have dealt with the bumpiness of Klingons and how it's possible that a human and a Vulcan (who's blood is made up of fucking copper) are able to breed. Instead they inflicted us with left over Voyager plots.
Some attempt to us loyal viewers to try to fit this show into TOS and TNG would have been greatly appreciated. So instead they wait until it's too little and way too late.

Well, I was back to being bored and not caring/paying attention this week.

I agree that I was shocked Ms. Science T'Pol never thought of an artificial conception method.

So, from being the Tin Man telepath to Buffy's mayor to Star Trek again. "It's been a long road...getting back where I was."

And just a pet peeve. You'd think 150 years in the future they'd have completely stopped calling it mankind. Plenty of people already don't call it that anymore. Especially considering that Trek changed it from "man" to "one" between TOS and TNG. Way to get with it, writers.

Yeah, Mayflower was awfully wooden, but I'm glad he got laid and I didn't mind the bad dialogue so much because I just enjoy looking at him.

Word! It took me several minutes to remember that he was the guy to played played Tam Elbrun on TNG. The only thing I could think of when I saw him was; Hey it's the Mayor...RUN! I almost busted a gut during his conversation with Quantum about his youthful questionable choices. Turning into a giant snake and trying to bring about the apocalypse is so much worse than joining Terra Prime.

I was glad to see May-I-Get-Some finally hook up. Even if Jezebel Reporter was just using him for information. I agree with the comment up-thread that his acting is very wooden. Dude needs to loosen up and be more carefree. Quantum provided more than enough wooden acting for this episode.

I was too distracted by all the guest stars in this episode to pay much attention to the plot. Lindsay Lohan, the Mayor/Tin Man, and Robocop. And Maywho doubled his line count for the entire series in one episode.

It was depressing to have the regular opening credits back.

It was cool to see the Mayor. I'm rooting for him to be evil.

Poor Travis. All those lines but to be duped.


Me too. Trip can be a bit dense, but you think he would have thought of that. Hell, Phlox should have had this as a theory. Sigh. These writers sometimes...

T'Pol and Trip arguing like an old married couple was cute.

Very little Archer was a bonus. I giggled at the faith conversation though. And rolled my eye at the Mayor saying that he underestimated Archer. Please. You didn't underestimate him. Archer isn't that bright.

This was a bit of a let down after the Mirror Universe. The terra primers weren't that interesting.

Decent ep. Not good enough to set up the final Star Trek episode in an 18-year run, but decent.

During the conversation with Archer about his youthful indiscrections, I did expect Harry Groener to say "C'mon captain, there's more than one way to skin a cat ... and I happen to know that to be factually true."

I can't believe I missed the "can't rely on just Faith" meta though ... I was too busy trying to come up with an Enterprise Theme Song joke to think of the Buffy reference.

I'm sure Peter Weller was on board for this because he had a connection to Manny Coto, who wrote and produced this ep, on the short-lived but terrific Odyssey 5. He did a good job here with a role that was, as many of you have pointed out, sleep-inducingly generic and unoriginal (sorry, Manny ... you must have run out of good ideas after O5).

Give Anthony Montgomery a break ... he's been on the bench for four years, it's hard to come in the game that cold and get into a good rhythm. I was loving that he actually had a plot of his own. In the only other ep where he was a central figure, he supposedly died 10 minutes in and was found alive with 3 minutes to spare. Honestly, I don't know why he bothers to show up for work any more. Bedroom scene with Lindsey Lohan is a good motivator, though ... and a week after macking with She-Ho!

And seriously, on the subject of babies ... I could not get over this idiocy that without being pregnant, there was no way she could have produced offspring. Test tube? Surrogate? Clone? C'mon, use your imagination. Sure, 150 years earlier, it was commonplace, but now, it's inconceivable (sorry about the pun)? Huh?

Archer was his usual asshole self. Read Reed the riot act when he determined he was part of a covert spy group, told him he had to choose allegiances ... but the instant it was convenient to take advantage of that, he gets on the horn and orders him to go back to it. Then he uses blackmail of a public official to get all of Starfleet to grind to a halt to work on his pet project. And we're supposed to cheer this on? Unbelievable.

Maybe that answers our questions from last week ... rather than because he's a huge hero, he becomes President of the UFP by blackmail and intimidation.

Was there a Section 31 connection with this xenophobic group?





Which ep did this occur? What spy network is/was Reed working for?

Well that was pretty disappointing. I think I enjoyed Season 3 a lot more than this, it at least seemed to have some forward momentum and some juice to it. This season (after all the Coto hype) I kept hoping it would be better, but every ep seems disjointed and flat. Checking off random items from the TOS fanboy list sure doesn't make up for the lack of interesting plots and character development. Maybe it's all the blue and gray on the ship -- been watching Farscape lately and it just seems so colorful by comparison.

I got sucked backed into this show by Similitude, and that kiss, after dozing through the first two seasons, disliking nearly all the characters (but especially Quantum). I was hooked into the T/T relationship in S3, but somehow this season they just can't decide what they're doing with it, it's all over the map and not much fun. The "bond" storyline could have been sweet, or funny, or something, but based on this ep I'd say they've blown it and now it's just annoying.

And ITA with the comments upstream -- do the writers think that we're such idiots that we (or the characters) wouldn't think of IVF or some other method ? And so miners in the future don't wear hardhats or other safety equipment? I thought the Peter Weller character and his organization were snooze-worthy, and not scary. But I did like the attention to detail in the way T'Pol's worksuit was cut very narrowly around the waist to show off her figure (and May-please-don't-talk is definitely at his best shirtless.)

With all of the extraneous chat about RoboHater's(I don't know, I've got nothing) hero, Future Genocide Committer, I thought he was injecting himself with something to counter the effects of--wait for it--radiation poisoning. But, then they had all that chat about anti-gravity. So, I really don't know what his deal is.

If I had to choose between having Mr Planet Purity or Quantum as my boss, I'd go for the speciesist. At least he's polite to his minions. I'm sure he probably said "I really appreciate you doing this" when he was systematically eliminating anyone who knew about Trip and T'Pol's baby. I call the baby Fanwankia, because that's what she is. Her little ears were cute, though.

Why is Archer so angry all the time? Is he constipated? Even when he's clapping after a speech, he's a complete jerkass. I wouldn't want how much Archer bugs to affect my feelings for the Bakula. On Tuesday, I will have another Quantum Leap DVD to counter the bad taste Archer has left in my mouth. Thank goodness.

Ah yes, the all-important booty shot. Common off-the-rack tailoring would never do.

Hard to believe I was once Optimistic about Enteprise when I'd heard he signed aboard as Captain. WTH, Scott?

I'm wondering if there is a slight homage buried in this episode. The title is 'Demons', the mayors quote to QL was 'we cannot operate on FAITH' (with extra stress on the word 'faith'), the Mayor was constantly surrounded by aliens with makeup heavily resembling slayer fodder, interviews on 'Spike', Scott Bakula & the Buffster were both guests on Tony Danza's talk show in October of last year, ...

Am I reading too much into this?

Maybe there'll be a spin-off: Archer the Vampire Negotiator

Speaking of Buffy/Enterprise connections:

Star Trek/Buffy The Vampire Slayer Crossovers

...just when I thought I was sad & obsessive.

Hee:



In S1 and S2 of Enterprise, Archer seem like Dawn:

"Dawn's in trouble. Must be Tuesday."

Could be:

"Archer's captured. Must be Friday."

(or hell, was it Wednesay then? Just go with it...)

What lessened the impact of this episode, for me, was that we know that Terra Prime is bound to fail. There is very little dramatic tension when we know the outcome. And I could really care less about what happens to this baby. I see no point in creating her other than that you can, to prove a point. Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind this?

Personally, I find this whole "bond" thing with T'Pol and Trip dumb. It's just so convenient for so many things that's it gone beyond annoying.


I don't think they were connected as much as they investigate all sorts of "subversive" groups like that. Especially since Terra Prime could be construed as a threat to Starfleet. If I remember, Section 31 refers to a section in the Starfleet charter permitting a certain amount of lassitude in investigating threats to Starfleet.


Thinking about it later, that did piss me off, because it really does put Reed in a quandry. But go Malcolm for choosing to rejoin. I was irritated that they threw this character crap in from out of left field originally. At least they followed up and had him rejoin. Not that it solves anything and not that it was of much help, but still. But, you know, this is the dark Archer after the Expanse experience. He'll threaten, torture and steal. Supposedly.

They also kept continuity about the crappy Earth defenses. Way to let a really slow building hijack a powerful weapon. And they can "tap" in by putting a clamp on it. And what was the point of shooting at the moon?

And I agree with those who said that this should have been one of the first episodes of this season or done way back in the second season. Seems like too little, too late.

This episode convinced me that they were right in making MayDeflowered the invisible man. He can't act and is boring to listen to. And boy, is he a dope. First, fighting off the free booty for no reason (yeah, you broke up, but so what, there it is on a platter) and then letting yourself be used without a clue.

Trip and T'Pol have gone from 8th grade relationship right to old married couple getting on each other's nerves with none of that good stuff that is supposed to come in the middle. This was a promising plot line that just ended up annoying on all levels.

And Archer is determined to remain an asshat right to the bitter end, even as he is the one, essential person to save the Federation and teach us all about the importance of understanding among species. I could have gone without the diversity lecture. Oh, and I get it, the black guys are arguing for racial bigotry. See the irony? Don't you? Look real hard. Dammit, I'm going to push your face in it and hit you with a rolled up newspaper.

Yes! That was especially clumsy and forced-feeling. They even got a shot in of some random old Asian guy, as if to make sure we all understand that the human race is united in its ability to hate. Thanks, Enterprise. We get it.

Other than having a flashback to NAKED LUNCH, seeing Peter Weller hypospray his neck, hoping he would go into the Interzone & hallucinate a better role for himself, couldn't enjoy this eppy.

Major peeve dialogue again comes from Catain Asshat. "Clap louder, thats an order!"
What a douche...

Also I really couldn't muster much interest in the immaculate hybrid - tpol/trip - all my children in space plot line. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but I actually Enjoyed the past 2 mirror eppies. Hearing the old theme song again raised the bile to esophagus. That is all. ;-(

And, we're back.

May I ask, what was the point of the baby? I guess we could find out more next week, but right now it doesn't look as if Paxton's evil plan has anything to do with her.

All of you complaining that no one's mentioned IVF, I agree that the prospect should have been raised, but it still isn't a complete solution. Someone trying to create a child would have to retrieve ova from T'Pol (which, at least today, would require medication and invasive surgery) and sperm from Trip (arguably even more problematic). The same questions arise - when did it happen and why don't they remember.

Loathed T'Pol's "I'm a Vulcan" response to everything - it's the new CRACK WHORING. It was especially egregious in Trip's case, since I could tell that he didn't completely believe her just by looking at him. I did like his scene with Phlox, though.

"I'm sick of this bond between us!" Real smooth, Trip. On the other hand, so are we.

Why didn't they ever mention the possibility of using the Martian death ray or any facility like it against the Xindi weapon?

Because the weapon systems only exist when needed by the writers.

Color me confused!

I must admit to being one of those casual viewers who had given up on Enterprise way back in Season 1, but couldn't resist the urge to see how it would all end, so I tuned in last week for the Mirror Universe episode. I really got into it, and tuned in this week to see what I thought would be a continuation of last week's episode.

By the time I turned on the episode last night, it was at the part where Archer was ordering his crew to clap louder with great venom and anger. How did he survive being murdered? How did Mirror Archer go from being just a loser to being pure evil? Was there an episode I missed?

Then it dawned on me, there was no conclusion to last week's cliffhanger, we were back in the "normal" universe... Hmmm...

Gawd, Bermaga must really think we're a bunch of morons. That episode was HORRIBLY written! How the hell could Mr. Xenocop have "hidden" that big-ass Death Ray apparatus on Mars without anyone knowing about it, especially since Mars was supposedly heavily colonized by humans from earth? Jebus, you would think after the Xindi attack, that the Earth would have a more functional defense system that would detect clandestine building of humongous weapons of destruction in their own furkin' solar system? And what exactly was the function of The Mayor, anyway? Was he the Grand Poobah of Earth, or what?

And yeah, Quantum was still a huge asshat. I was really disappointed in Mayweather's acting, too. he finally had a big part, and blew it. But then, it could have been the shitty writing.

On the plus side, I got a lot done on the crossword puzzle I was working on while trying to watch this fretfully boring episode.

The weapon system wasn't clandestine. There was some line about it being used to deflect comets. Robo-hatah just hijacked it.

So the Death Ray was just sitting there unprotected for any despot to come and take? [/sarcasm]

I have to agree with my wife. When RoboHater started in monologuing at Trip, after a short time, we just heard Charlie Brown's teacher - "Wahh wa wah waah wa waa waaaahhhh." Yeah, yeah, we GET IT ALREADY, Bermaga - prejudice is EEVIL! I thought casting Peter Weller would have been enough...

Yes, that bugged the crap out of me. That man is an asshole. I don't get why the producers, writers and lead actor of a Star Trek series is making the captain's only consistent character trait to be a total dickhead. And it's not a Captain Jellico-type dickhead that drives the conflict of the story, it's just bad acting/writing dickhead. Who thought it would be cool to have the captain, during an historical event bark, "Clap louder, that's an order!"

This episode had interesting ideas, but Manny can't write. Sorry folks. I worry about 24 next year.

The dialogue between May-Pimp and his girl was flat, I don't think it was all because of their combined weak acting.

The dialogue between RoboBigot and Poor Man's Tony Todd was also pretty bad.

But the worst travesty is seeing The Mayor not having any punchy lines or handy wipes.

And don't get me started on the Alan Parsons Project on Mars. Where was that frickin' laser when the Xindi rubberband ball was attacking?

Amen to all the Archer haaaate in this episode. Clap louder? There's no pleasing that bastid. The ONLY good thing about this episode is the fact that I get to go "hee" about 50,000 times when Keckler's recap goes live Thursdayish. There's something about that 'long road' that makes what comes after suck.

And I'm not just talking about Lindsay Lohan.

Reed, down at the docks late at night, looking around furtively to see if he's been spotted whilst waiting for his clandestine meeting with a burly stranger...

Something tells me he comes there often. Hey there sailor, indeed.

Enjoyed Tin Man/Mayor's line to Archer:

"We all have our demons. I've exorcised mine."

(I hope I remembered that correctly ... already erased the tape.)

Say, maybe I'm not reading closely enough, sleep-deprived as I am, but I was wondering: did anyone else notice last night in the preview of the final that Riker and Troi are wearing uniforms and com badges from 11 years ago? Do they really think anyone's gonna believe that this takes place when they're still young and on the Enterprise-D? I mean, they have both become rather full figured lately, exepting Riker's hairline, of course.

This bugged me too. The fuck? They're drilling a frickin' LASER (insert Dr. Evil's finger quotes) into ROCK and they don't even wear safety glasses?


Oh yeah, what a total asshat! Does he have to act like a jackass all the time?

I feel sorry for the actress who played Maywho's Mata Hari. You know she gets the "You look exactly like Lindsay Lohan, only without the enormous rack" all the time. I guess Quantum and Reed found out her true identity by hacking into Paris Hilton's Blackberry.

Hee. It was weird how there was zero hint of her being a spy until Quantum showed up at Travis's door with an Uh-Oh and an empty airlock threat. I do have to admit, him saying sorry to Travis was probably the most sympathetic thing he's done in years.

If anyone has the episode taped or Tivo'd, go back and listen to the Mayor when he's speaking to Archer. Look at the shape of his face, his mouth, his eyes. Then listen to/think about Phlox. The Mayor would have been fantastic as a relative of Phlox, maybe a brother. The tone of voice, the cadence when speaking, it would have worked very well.

Well, to be fair, Travis did mention that she was not happy with his decision to join Enterprise and called Starfleet an imperialistic colonization force or something similar. Just to show how narrowminded she was.

Actually, hubby called her as a spy in the second scene with her. All I could think of was she's a piss-poor camerperson, what with the whipping around in different directions. It made me slight queasy watching her, I can't imagine what the film would look like.


That made me laugh and laugh. He really makes the worst spy. Could he be any more obvious?