It's like all their effort for the season was put into this episode arc.

You know what I would've enjoyed? Seeing this universe all season.

I would have loved if the entire series was set in the MU.

I think that if they make a new series, it should be in the MU.

Wasn't there a series of Star Trek novels set in the alternate universe?

That would be awesome. I think it would be cool to see the MU during Kirk's time. No messy continuity to worry about and they could show the downfall of the bloated Terran Empire and the rise of the corrupt Bajoran Alliance.

The show was pre-empted by baseball again, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow night to see this episode. I came here expecting howls of outrage, and instead, people are throwing roses! Color me intrigued.

I literally squealed with delight at the opening, then laughed my ass off at the credits. Totally, totally classic. It was nice to see Reed still loves his weapons ("If you like, I'll hold the weapon for you"), and watch Phlox with his "pets". And to hear those TOS "pings" when the ship came to life...what fun.

Gotta record this one (and my local UPN station better do the second airing tomorrow, or I'm gonna get pissed).



I thought they recycled pieces, because I immediately recognized the woman in the gray wool hat. But I could be wrong.

Dammit! A great opening theme. A great story. Can we keep the evil bunch and give them a series? This show rawked!

My only nitpick was the fact that the Tholian Web didn't take too long to create. In TOS, I thought it took hours to complete?

Can't wait for part 2. Did I just write that? About Enterprise?

My knowledge of TOS isn't that great. Could someone fill me in on the signifigance of that ship Quantum and and the Bizzaro Bunch are on at the end?

It was part of the original seen with Cromwell, and that blonde haired girl. It wasn't the real Cromwell, if it was why wouldn't he have a line..The only time they showed him not part of the FC footage was when they stormed the ship, and he is turned away with his gun up in the air.. That' my theory.

It is kinda amusing that Archer hasn't changed that much in the MU.

Really fun episode, the changed opening caught me by suprise, and Linda Park was great. I'm looking forward to next week. This is a nice way for the show to go out.

Yum-mee. I could watch that episode again and again just for Reed and Phlox. "Would you kindly die?" I love, love, love Phlox and John Billingsley. And Bakula looked so hot in that brown ribbed tee and pajama bottoms. Too bad Malcolm and Travis were so, er, overdressed. And I was looking forward to seeing Malcolm get tortured. Damn.

Loved the opening sequence. Loved that they changed the credit images. As people have said, they went all out and it really paid off.

As for the mid-riff shirts, meh. I really didn't care. Actually, I'd rather see HO-shi and T'Pol in mid-riff shirts scheming behind Archer's back than them regularly clothed and boring the crap out of me. Also, I didn't get the same sexist vibe from the mid-riffed women. In other words, it's not their only weapon, but it certainly is one tool in the drawer that they have no problem using. I guess since they showed Hoshi being involved in the ship and T'Pol freeing Evil Admiral, oops, I mean Captain Forrest, it didn't seem as if they were saying that women were sex objects and weak. They took control and looked damn fine doing it. And I am probably making no sense whatsoever.

I also noticed that Trip's accent was a little stronger. And his scarring over the eye bothered me. I just wanted to pick at it like a scab. I almost detected a small change in Malcolm's accent, but I think I was just hearing things.

After getting over the thrill of a decent episode, I must admit, the plot really doesn't intrigue me all that much. I want to see the next episode, but not to see the conclusion but because I just love seeing them be evil and backstabbing and torturing each other. But, I still haven't forgiven them for last week, and I'm still glad it's cancelled.

So with one science vessel, Earth was able to conquer the entire Vulcan Empire? I'm sure it is more complicated, but I would have liked to hear more detail about how it happened.

I totally think a mirror-universe series would rock. Probably only for one season, though, then it would get old. They could do a mirror-universe miniseries. Actually, I would be happy to see Trek go over to a miniseries format, just in general.

MetropolisGal wrote:
If they had been making episodes like this from the start they never would have BEEN cancelled.

This was one of the best episodes, not only of Enterprise, but of Trek in general. Bridging the gap between First Contact and TOS ... even if it was the mirror universe. They should have been doing it all along.

Bakula's acting was very bad. Very, very bad. I mean, worse than usual, even. Really the only flaw in an otherwise perfect episode.

T'Pol's Vulcan goons should have all had beards. Other than that, this was the most loving, attentive-to-detail episode I have seen since "Trials and Tribbleations." Not just TOS references, but the regular characters too, all their quirks and mannerisms tweaked to make them evil.

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Skyrocket wrote:
The Defiant (they got the hull number right and everything) was lost in "The Tholian Web." The crew went mad due to the effects of the interphase rip and eventually everyone died, leaving the ship adrift in th interphase region. The Enterprise was sent to investigate, but had trouble with Tholian warships and the space-time anomaly. Kirk (wearing a space suit) fell through, getting trapped on the Defiant. At the time it wasn't clear why (or, really, even if) the Tholians created the rip; now we know. The Enterprise barely managed to fish Kirk out of the space-time rip and escape the Tholians.

The Defiant (and, of course, the TOS Enterprise) are Constitution-class ships.

In the TOS episode the Tholian web did take a long time to assemble. Possibly the web technology was disrupted by the space-time anomaly, or some other fanwanking treknobabble.

Despite being a Voyager-style technobabble episode, "The Tholian Web" is considered to be one of the best episodes of TOS's third season, because Spock is in command while Kirk is lost in space, and falls into conflict with McCoy about how to handle the situation.

This episode is, in terms of "Defiant time," chronologically AFTER the TOS episode. During the TOS episode, the Defiant was drifting between dimensions, eventually winding up permanently in the parallel universe. Presumably the "reptilian" lifesign on board is a Gorn, although the Gorn were not in the TOS episode and don't seem to logically fit here.

Zerowing wrote:
It also fits with what happened in the mirror universe in TOS and DS9. Why this is fun and "Bound" was offensive, I have a hard time saying. Probably because here, everything is supposed to be evil, so I don't mind if the women are oversexed, just like I don't mind that the men are all violent. Also, Evil Hoshi is hot.

GarySeven wrote:
It looked like stock footage from First Contact. When he fires the gun, it's a close-up of the gun so it could be anybody. The only new footage is of the Vulcan guy getting shot, and Cochrane's face isn't visible there either. What I do not remember is whether it was Cochrane, or someone else that gave the order to loot the Vulcan ship.

Wow! That was a really solid episode. I loved the new title sequence (or perhaps I'm just seriously relieved at not having to hear that dumbass song again), Hoshi was both interesting and hot, and Phlox was really enjoying his work far too much.
I was also pleasantly surprised that the continuity with both "Mirror, Mirror" and "The Tholian Web" was pretty accurate.
I'm having a very had time thinking of anything snark-worthy in that episode, other than Evil Archer being just as annoying as Good Archer.

In other news, startrek.com has released a podcast commentary for the episode. Find it here.

Tone wrote:
It did take some hours in the original episode, I can't remember how long precisely, but the Tholians were only using two ships. Also, in the original episode, the Tholian ships started back-to-back and slowly drew out the thread. Perhaps having more ships allowed the Tholians to spin the web more quickly. Either that or the effects guys just decided it looked cooler this way...

Liked the First Contact opening. Wasn't expecting that! Nice song, kinda late to throw that in now. Interesting outfits for the women.
That Tholian "bug" thing is gross. Phlox sure enjoyed killing it.
I hope someone saved Porthos!

So I haven't watched Enterprise in a while. Since around, oh, "Doctor's Orders". I was looking for something to watch tonight & the TiVO episode synopsis mentioned the Mirror Universe and I watched it for old Trek's sake.

My first thought (after grinning like a kid through the opening sequence) was "Oh, excellent, they changed the song somewhere along the line!!" But then I noticed the images and caught on that the music was supposed to be eeeeeeeevil. Oh well. I liked it anyway.

I liked DS9's Mirror Universe episodes better. Not enough hammy relishing of evil here. OK, torture is good times, as is dissecting animals (heh) but aside from that everyone was so grim. Bakula: don't you know this is supposed to be fun?? Hoshi looked vaguely bored during her seduction scenes. And Mayweather is still a clod. But then again it's nice that the characters are essentially the same as they ever were. Reed kind of thrived in the mirror universe, didn't he? (although I notice he still got thwapped around by Archer).

Having said all that, I really respect the show for doing such an insider-y episode. It's a gift to the fans, gotta love that.