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keckler
Haven't seen a preview. Don't know what it's about.
Demian
Don't know what it's about.

A conspiracy to bore me to tears, apparently.
immaf
Are all brilliant scientists in Trekverse crazy? How many times have we seen variations of this episode?

Did T'pol's hand ever get better? Is Phlox a plasitic surgeon?

Speaking of T'Pol, she looked positively ill. Her face was haggard.

I'm not quite sure how to say this, but I thought the Captain's asshattedness was, not justified, but well motivated. He knew he was wrong, so he resorted to yelling and pulling rank. But I also liked Trip calling him on it, or at least trying to.

I did it think it was funny though, when Quantun barked, "Now go do your job!", and then he was the one to leave. That was simply poor direction.

I really wanted to see a scene where Quantun apologized to Trip. I know being Captain means never having to say you're sorry, but it would have been nice.

Didn't love it. Didn't hate it.

ETA: I think I've figured out how they could have improved this episode. The "anomalies" reminded a bit me of the ones Enterprise was always dodging in Xindi space. When the red stripe got zapped, his face looked melted in the same way. I would have liked to see them wonder if there was some kind of connection, and maybe start messing around with Trellium-D to see if they could contain the anomalies or something. Just a thought.
frenchtoast
The only good thing about this episode was that Porthos got a semi-bellyrub. Of course, not from Quantum. And that bellyrub confirmed some of my suspicions about Porthos.
Isaboe
Haven't seen it yet. Stupid local station has a basketball game on right now so the episode is postponed by half an hour. Curses! Meanwhile, I'm watching Battlestar Galactica til it starts.
Skategrrl
You know, this *could* have been a good episode...the concept was interesting...but the dialogue was all kinds of bad.

On the plus side, I liked the direction and dark lighting. (Yeah, I'm a production geek, I always notice that stuff.)

Second plus side: next week's episode looks good. Otherwise, big ol' yawn fest tonight.
Cyb
And that bellyrub confirmed some of my suspicions about Porthos.

Maybe something happened to him in a transporter accident we never got to hear about. "Well, Cap'n, he went in with all his parts!"
On the plus side, I liked the direction and dark lighting.

I liked that too. In fact I liked the production so much that I didn't realize I was bored until about 30 minutes into the episode. It just seemed to stretch on and on. And on. Was everyone speaking very slowly (to take up more time) or was that just my boredom affecting my perception of time?

So, Emery knew that the quantumporter wasn't going to work ("inherently flawed") but let his son go through anyway? I'd understand if he thought it would work but that didn't seem to be the case.
Divaah46
Yes, there was Porthos. Only good thing about tonight.
False Dmitri
Why was that guy's back all klingon-foreheady? I wasn't paying perfect attention (it was kinda boring) but that didn't seem to be explained. I was expecting something about an early transporter mishap but I missed the reveal if there was one.
frenchtoast
I don't know if they ever came right out and said it was an early transporter mishap, but I think it was supposed to be understood that it was. But, like many, I faded in and out of watching. Sometimes I was more involved talking to my dogs.

Yeah, Porthos has boobs. I don't know if that could be called a transport accident or someone just didn't look closely at what he was getting. Considering how little attention Quantum pays to him, it wouldn't surprise if he hadn't noticed.
CaptainSnarky
Wow, that was...forgettable.
thingamajig
Oh man, following this up with two hours of Battlestar Galactica did not leave ENT looking good at all. I agree that this could have been an interesting episode, but ended up a snoozefest. I amused myself with telling everyone to turn on a light and asking Mr. thinga every few minutes, "Are they gonna do it?" (about Archer/Dani and Trip/T'Pol). *sigh* Dull. I did miss the first 10 minutes, but somehow I get the impression that it didn't really matter.
GoldfishGirl42
Yeah, it was kinda forgettable. ( And the woman playing Dani gravitated between comatose and scenery chewing.)

3 Good Things:
1. Porthos!!!
2. Phlox to T'Pol and her Tricorder while he's treating her:
"Will you put that down for one second?"
and
Best Line of The Ep:
(after being dumped, sorta, by T'pol)
Trip: Well, at least my warp engines still need me.
Awwww.
openning
Oh dear GOD!!! So bored. And I was so excited about it...earlier today I suddenly remembered that there would (finally) be a new Enterprise to watch. I actually had to force myself to sit through it and not flip to see what else was on.

I will agree that I liked the direction...well, the visual aspects of it anyway...the lighting was cool. But they all seemed to be acting through some sort of sludge.

Oh, and that moment between T'Pol and Phlox was pretty cute.

But other than that...boring.
montanaviewer
I was going to post sooner but I just woke up. This episode and depressants, ie beer, do not mix under any circumstances.
Man, there are bad episodes and then there are episodes that are not really bad, just booooorrring. After Quinn materialized on the pad I checked the time because I thought it was only 35 or maybe 40 minutes into the show and something else was going to happen to make up for all this (it wasn't of course there was only a couple minutes left).
I wonder what the recap is going to be like. I'm thinking only six pages with Keckler saying "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZ-Hey Porthos!! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzZZZ"
Belchimaera
I'm probably going to end up quoting everybody, but hey, if Enterprise can't do anything interesting....

You know, this *could* have been a good episode...the concept was interesting...but the dialogue was all kinds of bad.


Total agreement here, Skategrrl. I thought they had a good concept - experimenting with the transporter is slightly different from the whole "oh no a transport went awry, wacky hijinks ensue" story and fits in well with the Enterprise-time, but....well...lets just say I almost forgot to turn back from VH1s Fat-Celebrities-Losing-Weight show. Yeah, that's bad.

I'm thinking only six pages with Keckler saying "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZ-Hey Porthos!! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzZZZ"


My money's on "Exposition-Exposition-Guy dies-Exposition-Exposition-Porthos Why Doesn't Archer Touch Him?-Exposition-Exposition-Guy Dies-Exposition"

I had made a concious decision not to watch Battlestar Galactica (my reasons are many) and yet, now, I'm tempted. When Ben Browder and Claudia Black join SG-1 I think I might actually start watching Sci-Fi again.

Sorry I digress.

I liked Trip and T'Pol. I was desperately hoping they would get Phlox and walk in and relieve Archer from duty, but dammit, it wasn't to be.

Danica, like the story, had potential. Despite my desperation above, I was glad to see Archer hug (attempt to hug) the girl he's known from childhood when her brother died. Aw, the stick isn't all the way up his ass.

I think we need to start playing "Where's May-whatsit?", "Where's Hoshi?" and "Where's Malcolm?". This is getting ridiculous.
CaptainSnarky
Oh, God, I forgot about poor Keckler having to recap this snoozapalooza. How much alcohol, food, and pausing of the TiVo for intense shopping therapy is it going to take just to get through rewatching this one?
Lexx
I don't know if it was my anticipation for Battlestar Galactica or what, but this episode seemed like it went on forever. It's weird. I found the story interesting, but I was still bored most of the time. Not necessarily a bad ep., but not good either. And I completely agree with thingamajig, watching two hours of Battlestar Galactica immediately after "Daedalus" isn't going to do ENT any favors.
Cleo256
Huh. I liked it. I wasn't bored, for some reason. I was really impressed by the production, the lighting, and the acting was pretty good from the main guest star and Connor Trineer. Even if the plot lost my attention, something else cropped up to interest me.

I also liked how the episode made sure you knew they were going to fail at both stated objectives (long-range transporter, saving Quinn), and made the episode about how that affected the characters.

I'm not saying it was the best Trek ever, but I actually enjoyed it.
Senator X
How did two hours of Battlestar Galactica seem to go by faster than this? I agree with everyone here, that show coming on right before makes Enterprise appear even more flaccid.

I kept thinking all through this episode how it'd be cool if TWoP recapped the Battlestar miniseries, or if Ron Moore would go back to Trek to pep up the writing on Enterprise.

The story reminded me of DS9's "The Visitor" except it wasn't interesting and I didn't cry in the end. I couldn't connect with the emotional center of the story and it had a lot to due with tired dialogue and bland acting.

The lighting was cool and Ensign Clayface creeped me out. It was nice to see jovial Quantum in the beginning but he reverted right back to jackass by the halfway point.

I found myself not caring at all about T'Pol's Kir'Shara nonsense, and I wish her and Trip's relationship would've climaxed before it ended. But the writers ended it just like "Endgame" ended Voyager and "Storm Front" ended the TCW: Hastily and and with that unfulfilled taste in my mouth.
Psychohl
Did anyone else notice that the two guest stars were from cancelled sci fi shows? The woman was from Odyssey 5, which was about five astronauts that witness the destruction of earth and are sent five years back into the past by a friendly alien to change history. It was way better than it sounds and I wish it were still on the air.

And the old man was from The Others which also stared John Billingsly AKA Phlox. I wonder if that's how he got the part. That was another show I enjoyed a lot but don't miss too much.

As for Enterprise I didn't hate it as much as everyone else did. I do wish there was more too the plot though. There was a whole lot of waiting with no real action inbetween. My Mom and I spent most of the episode trying to figure out what color T'Pol has on her shoulder now and what that could possibly mean. We came to the conclusion that it's a pale green, which we think is different from the blue she used to have, but we can't figure out what mint green designates. Boobies maybe?
keckler
So...this week was The Ultimate Computer and next week is Schisms?

God, get an original idea already!

You know what's not a good idea? Watching Enterprise right after seeing Sideways. Hmm, soon to be severely cancelled red-headed Trekchild . . . amazingly beautiful independent award-winning film about wine and love . . . ?

Y'all I've lost all hope. I even predicted an ending for the episode and, given how low my expectations already are for this show, you'd think maybe the show would, like, improve on that prediction? No. The show was even MORE BORING THAN MY PREDICTION WHICH WAS ALL RIGHT ALREADY PRETTY DAMN BORING!

Thank GOD I'm cleansing my pallet with All About Eve and escargot tomorrow. Man, and I thought Sideways gave me a thirst for wine? This episode made me realize that sobriety is not an option.
Cyb
Call me sick but I was disappointed that Quin wasn't a blob when he materialized. They kept going on about how his signal was degrading and how he was going to die if they brought him in, I thought they were leading up to something deformed like Emery's lumpy back.
scarymom
I was disappointed, too. It seemed they were building up for a big ending (Quinn kills his father, or his sister, leaving dad with one child back and another dead, some sort of irony, at least) -- but -- he just comes back and dies? I wasn't even particularly saddened by it (and, frankly, dad and sis didn't seem to be, either). And it seemed entirely unnecessary to kill poor pretty little redshirt.


Agree with comments that JB looks terrible. She's starting to look 65-going-on-66. Saw an article recently saying she's "almost thirty" and I spewed my coffee. Anorexia is murder on the bod, y'all.


Trip's still pretty, though. Maybe next week will be better.
Cyb
Trip's still pretty, though.

I've always been pretty neutral on him but for some reason last night for the first time, I went, "hey he's kind of appealing." Maybe it was the boyish enthusiasm.
Agree with comments that JB looks terrible.

There's a shot of her in one of those strobe-shadowy scenes where her chest looks like Emery's back. I thought at first that something happened to her but then I realized it was just her sternum.
Melk
As I live in the UK I watched this ep through nefarious means, but after so many weeks of great sci-fi in the shape of Battlestar Galactica the problems with Ent were especially highlighted this time.

Because I'm sick I wanted something properly shocking to go wrong with the transporter instead of 'oh well, deary me that wasn't nice'. I was disappointed. Although the way T'Pol looked was a nasty enough shock to go some way toward making up for it.
Aatrek
If it's any consolation, this episode was the last script by a couple of writers who were fired a while back, so we won't be seeing anything else from these guys again.

Also, next week? Organians! Hooray!
frenchtoast
Call me sick but I was disappointed that Quin wasn't a blob when he materialized. They kept going on about how his signal was degrading and how he was going to die if they brought him in, I thought they were leading up to something deformed like Emery's lumpy back.

Yeah, that was actually the biggest surprise for me in the episode, that Quinn looked normal.

But, thinking about it, that was one low-budget episode. I mean, they didn't even have stars. They couldn't afford the special affects/make-up for a horrifying transporter accident, it was all used up on the plastic surgery for T'Pol's hand. But it certainly lessened the impact of the sons death. It would have made up for the slooooow pace of the episode if he died rather horrifically because it would have explained more fully the depth of emotion the father was feeling.
SilverKnight
If it's any consolation, this episode was the last script by a couple of writers who were fired a while back, so we won't be seeing anything else from these guys again.

Sooo, why'd they use the script in the first place? I guess you could say that it was already in production when the guys were fired, but, seriously, why? Why why why why why? I almost wanted to watch Battlestar Galactica. And I hate Sci-Fi.

If it's any consolation, I completely forgot about new episodes airing until I saw Enterprise on, and if all goes well, I'll forget this, too. >hopes<
tothemax
I think we need to start playing "Where's May-whatsit?", "Where's Hoshi?" and "Where's Malcolm?". This is getting ridiculous.

But didn't you see that one shot where both of them had meaningful stares?

If it's any consolation, this episode was the last script by a couple of writers who were fired a while back, so we won't be seeing anything else from these guys again.

You know a writer sucks if he's fired from this show.

Like keckler, I have also given up on this show. Manny Coto really hasn't done anything to improve it this season and it's time for it to end. The only redeeming quality this series has is that is now replaces DS9 and the least watched Trek series. (Delicious schadenfraude considering TPTB didn't use Sisko's name in the previews for this show because, they claimed, DS9 was the lowest rated Trek series so people wouldn't know who he was. Fuck you, Bermaga.)
Dane
Connor once again did a great job with all he was given, Phlox's remark to T'Pol was great (amazing how one little jot of sarcastic humor stands out so starkly, isn't it?) Malcolm was cute and competent again, and I was struck watching Archer kiss Dani so naturally upon greeting her. It was as though he actually had normal human emotion ... and considered somebody a friend! Oh, and Trip's little joke to Archer re: his mean streak ... anyone else think he wasn't entirely joking?

Trip came aboard this ship with this whole big-brother-hero-best-buddy thing for Archer, and these days it looks like he just doesn't give a rat's ass anymore, given how far he's willing to push an argument with him. This pleases me.

I think that about covers everything good, and the above could be compressed into a ten minute episode.

eta:

Starting the episode with a Supplemental log entry


I noticed that too. How sloppy is that?
dbrugg
New year, same old Captain Asshat.

Wow. As bad as this was, the Trip stuff made it tolerable. That and my nagging suspicion that when I watch Galactica I will probably hate it (methinks Adama will make Archer look like a nice guy).

The beginning was really off. Starting the episode with a Supplemental log entry, no exposition on the transporter experiment, lighting scheme stolen from Mutant Enemy, it felt like the episode was really sleepy. I wasn't really sleepy until later.
Demian
Connor once again did a great job with all he was given...

I can't take him anymore. Too cornpone. Too...Bush-like. Yecccch.
Senator X
New year, same old Captain Asshat.


My God! I can't take any more of him yelling at his crew. No other Trek captain was like that. Not even gruff 'n tuff Sisko. What's even worse is that he yelled at Trip when Trip was right, doesn't apologize or even give a captainly speech to make amends. And we all know from "Extinction," "Twilight" and the Vulcan arc that Trip's the better captain. Why would TPTB do this to their lead character?

As for BSG, Colonel Tigh, who's the ship's ass on that show, is still less of an ass than Quantum.
Palimpsest
Call me sick but I was disappointed that Quin wasn't a blob when he materialized. They kept going on about how his signal was degrading and how he was going to die if they brought him in, I thought they were leading up to something deformed like Emery's lumpy back.


Right. Or even worse, like that Vulcan science officer in TMP. And he still survived long enough for a last tearful farewell. Bleah.

New year, same old Captain Asshat.


So true. So sad.

I think I've figured out how they could have improved this episode. The "anomalies" reminded a bit me of the ones Enterprise was always dodging in Xindi space. When the red stripe got zapped, his face looked melted in the same way.


Yes! That's exactly what I thought. I tuned in right when the anomaly appeared in the armory and killed the redstripe and I was all "Who? What? Where? Are we back in the Expanse?"

Yawn. Stupid show. Loved Trip standing up to the captain. Loved T'Pol scanning her scambled hand, and Phlox calling her on it.

Question: In that one scene where Quantum, T'Pol and a couple of MACOs were searching for the anomaly, why exactly did they split up? T'Pol could track it with her tricorder (not exactly, but pretty well). Were the MACOs securing the deck? Did they have tricorders? Were they brought for muscle and, if so, why didn't they follow the senior officers?
keckler
I can't take him anymore. Too cornpone. Too...Bush-like. Yecccch.


He was SO Dubya last night it was quite troubling.
Skategrrl
Call me sick but I was disappointed that Quin wasn't a blob when he materialized.


::: me, snorting bottled water all over my keyboard :::

I thought I was the only one who had a "Galaxy Quest" moment ("ooooh, wouldn't it be cool if he ended up inside out?"). Nice to see I wasn't alone.
keckler
When they were beaming him back, I turned to Dr. Mathra and said, "Whatever it was didn't live very long."
Cyb
He was SO Dubya last night it was quite troubling.

Well there goes my newfound and very brief appreciation for him.

I kind of wish the daughter had sabotaged the whole thing. "Quit wasting our lives on this, you bumpy-backed old man!"
Anabanana
I watched BSG last night and recorded ENT (watched it this morning).
So glad I did.

I'm really really hoping they're doing something with the Capt. Asshat and Should-Be-Capt. Tucker. I get really tired of the yelling.
I felt like T'pol's sub-story is going a long way towards pulling her back into Vulcan-ness. I understand that would be an improvement (as would her giving up her air-only diet).
As a T/Tshipper, I felt a little bad when the nail went in that particular sunglasses case, but Trip could do well with any smart, well-adjusted, non-princess (ooh, ooh, pick me, pick me!), regardless of how Dubya-like he may seem. After all, it's not really our president's looks or accent that bother me.
I really liked the lighting in this episode. I wouldn't like it on an every episode basis, but it was very cool here.
And, oh yeah, the rest of the episode... meh, it was ok. I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it either.

I'll tell you what I do hate. Promos that tell you too much about the upcoming story.
Timetraveler
zzzzzzz.....zzzzzzz.....

I believe I am now feeling sorry for Scott Bakula. How could an actor who looked like he was having fun doing QUANTUM be so dull in this role. I think he is waiting for the end of his contract...praying for the contract to end sooner more likely. Fire your agent and swear never to do SciFi again!

Let's have the "Trip" show and have a good time. Trip, Malcolm and Phlox can run the ship and lighten this thing up. Perhaps the Star Trek concept needs a long vacation, especially away from the current producers/directors. It is a shame to see this concept go out on the bottom. Ol' Gene must be spinning.

I had to stay home this past week on mudslide watch watch (S.Cal) and channel surfed inbetween the WEATHER CHANNEL updates. Came across reruns of JerryO"Connell jumping around dimesions with his buds and it was way more fun than this crap.
Dane
He was SO Dubya last night it was quite troubling.


He was, really? I totally missed that. Maybe Danefriend & I were yelling too much at Quantum to pick up on it.
amityisland
New year, same old Captain Asshat.


My God! I can't take any more of him yelling at his crew. No other Trek captain was like that. Not even gruff 'n tuff Sisko. What's even worse is that he yelled at Trip when Trip was right, doesn't apologize or even give a captainly speech to make amends. And we all know from "Extinction," "Twilight" and the Vulcan arc that Trip's the better captain. Why would TPTB do this to their lead character?


I totally agree. As Trip and Quantum were walking down the hall at the end of the episode, I said, "So you're gonna apologize to Trip now? Aren't you?.......Apologize to Trip? Anybody?"

Screen fades to black.

"Oh Come On!"

God, I miss Sam Beckett so much! (sniff) - time to pop in those Quantum Leap DVD's.
kgoklahoma
Since my Friday nights are claimed by "Joan of Arcadia", I didn't even realize there was a new episode of ENT until I turned on my computer just now and got to the TWoP Home page and saw the recaplet. Guess I didn't miss much.
AresCupid
Haven't seen a preview.


I didn't either. And with any luck, that was repeated by the audience.

Another good thing about the depleted-budget, in this dim episode is that at times we could barely make out the Furrows lurching around as he bitched. And I just realized his NASCAR-haircut makes him look sort of like Bingo Bob on "The West Wing." I'll still take Bingo Bob over him.

Pity that ShutUpTrip was always shown in lighting. That voice is bad enough....
CaptainSnarky
*waves to kgoklahoma*

No, no you didn't miss much at all. I mean, it was one of the dullest hours of television I've watched this week (but then, it's been all about this one line: "Is this because I'm a lesbian?"). What's worse, I was looking forward to this episode. I was like, "Ooh, what's the creator of the transporter going to do? How is he going to lose it?" What we got was like...utterly uninteresting. Aw, he lost his son in a transporter accident (which, by the way, never gets fully explained--I read a Trek comic book from waaaaay back that did a better job of telling a transporter accident story from the early days than this episode did). How sad. Why's his back all bumpy? Do we ever know? What's worse, why don't I care?

Oh, well, at least T'Pol isn't CRACK WHORING all over the damn place. Thanks, Kir'Shara!
emdroberts
So can someone smarter than me tell me what the heck the title meant? And why you’re at it what the heck was the deal with Quinn’s body still being stuck out there. The technobabble confused me. Or maybe I dozed off when they were explaining it. I’m not sure.

The only good part of the episode was Trip/T’Pol. That better not be the end of their relationship though. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised if it is though. I mean these are the same people that teased us with Janeway/Chakotay and Seven/EMH and in the end gave us Chakotay/Seven (What the hell was that about anyway? That coupling MADE. NO. SENSE.)

Anyway, it was good to see that Archer is still a prick. Not only was he wrong, as usual, on command decisions, but he didn’t rub Portho’s belly. That was just wrong.
shadow81dan
Daedalus-in Greek mythology, craftsman and inventor.

I liked this episode. I don't want to many more arcs. Just good old fashioned single episodes the rest of the way please.
Jeebus Shuttlesworth
Daedalus-in Greek mythology, craftsman and inventor.

Not just that, but the significance was that Daedalus crafted wings that allowed people to fly. Icarus, his son, wanted to be the first to fly with these wings. Daedalus cautioned Icarus that he must not fly too close to the sun, or the wax holding the feathers together would melt. You can guess what happened next.

This was the mehest episode in a while. The arcs were the best episodes this crappy show ever had.

New year, same old Captain Asshat.

Word. What's amazing is that the writers appeared to take the position that he was RIGHT and justified to act like this. In the other Treks, sometimes Picard or Sisko or Janeway (especially Janeway) would act like an asshat, but in the end they would be shown the error of their ways, and would apologize in a captainly manner. Not so with Quantum.

Call me sick but I was disappointed that Quin wasn't a blob when he materialized. They kept going on about how his signal was degrading and how he was going to die if they brought him in, I thought they were leading up to something deformed like Emery's lumpy back.

Oh yeah, I was looking for deformities, inside-out exploding, even maybe a Tom Riker "Evil Twin" transformation where he's all bitter that his dad left in a pattern buffer for 15 years. Instead, we get a lame tearful farewell. Bleah.
AresCupid
Oh yeah, I was looking for deformities, inside-out exploding, even maybe a Tom Riker "Evil Twin" transformation where he's all bitter that his dad left in a pattern buffer for 15 years. Instead, we get a lame tearful farewell. Bleah.


I actually chuckled when he almost blew up the insane father and the Furrows, because I wanted to believe that he hated them enough to want them dead. Nothing else made any sense.
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