And the insanity continues. I haven't even watched the premiere yet, but I'm assuming there's insanity.

Thank god they wound it up. I don't think this episode deserves any commentary, except to say that they did what they had to do.

I think I'll just pretend like the first two episodes never happened, which is exactly what I think the writers want me to do.

I think we may have solved the Shower Man mystery. That's all I got out of the ep at least. That and some unusual clips in the background during the Extremely Long Reset Button Scene.

Hmmm. Insanity, but better quality insanity then last week.

First...YAAAAAAAY! No more Daniels! Ever!
BOOOOO! Why must you kill Silik? I think he was the best part of the TCW storyline. No more Archer/Silik HoYay.
DUDE. That shot of Enterprise flying over NYC? Priceless. I liked the ending coming home shot too, although it gave me Voyager flashbacks.

Ah, Trip and Archer....in the tradition of great Trek reunions:
"Captain....I can't believe it....how..."
"The building's about to blow up."
"Gotcha."

And now, that we've tied up the last Bermaga chestnut, we can travel into the Age of Coto.

Was it just me or did this episode suck the suck of sucky suck?

Nope, not just me.

The ending was what we should have gotten last season. A battered Enterprise pulling into Earthspace. That would have made me squee last year. Tonight, it merely got a "Thank god that's over" from me.

I think the only thing that's going to redeem this series for me is if Brent Spiner turns out to be a bad guy and starts killing some people. Namely the writers.

Aw, Silik's dead. I liked him. Well, as much as you can like a supposed enigma.

Crap Daniels is alive. But, at least we might never, ever have to see him again.

Thank goodness they showed the Xindi stuff during the reset. I would have been pissed off enough to not watch anymore if they just swept that under the rug with the reset button.

Alas, Stinky Butt did not make for easy viewing tonight, so I missed some parts. But I echo Metropolis Gal:

I really, really enjoyed the second half. There were wonderful surprises -- that scene where Silik dropped from the ceiling into Trip? Totally. Cool. -- and great touches of humor. I laughed my ass off at the Archer / Trip reunion. Other nice moments:

* Reed going on and on with German plane ammo facts; the look T'Pol gave him was priceless.

* Nice direction; dug the angles, especially when Archer and Silik were talking.

* Manny, you so had me at the intro with the MovieTone News. Yes, I am still your bitch.

* The ACTING! The joy of getting home -- all the actors hit the right note -- and that Bakula showed a light touch at the end.

* And last but not least, let's hear it for the writing...loved, loved, LOVED the scene with Archer saying he's changed, and not for the better. I expect (hope?) we'll be seeing how Archer handles the repercussions of his actions.


Two thumbs up from this end. Pity about Daniels, but it sounds like he won't be back. (Thank God, I might add.)

But Shower Guy, we never knew ya....

Edited because Silik / Sulik is a bit of a you say potato thing..

Magic reset button so pretty and shiny. All better now.



How? Who was Shower Guy? I would love to know. Also, I wouldn't mind knowing who assasinated Lenin. But I'm not gonna find out, so all I can do is delete these two eps off the TiFaux and start fresh. Hey guys, aren't you excited about the season premiere of Enterprise next Friday? I sure am!

It was better then Part 1 and we are now, for the most part, free of any connection to the first 3 seasons allowing Coto to hopefully make the show amazing.

But on to the actual episode.

Silik was awesome, sad to see him go, one of the best characters on Enterprise.

Enterprise flying over New York - awesome.

The mob guy, who I didn't mind in the first episode, really annoyed me in this one. Maybe it has to do that overall this episode was of a higher quality.

Danials is gone.... well he never bothered me that much, I thought it was nice that he cracked a tear as he said "Good-Bye Jonathan." But who else thought that the representation of the timeline fixing itself looked horrible? I mean where were they really? Some sort of dimension outside the timeline that allowed them to look in? It just bugged me and seemed to serve no purpose.


Now on to the real start of the 4th season with a Vulcan wedding. Yay.... I guess.

But the Xindi wasn't reset...the ship still had damage. Or am I misunderstanding your post?

I meant that the Xindi attack happened. During the resetting of time with Daniels, we saw scenes from the Xindi weapon exploding etc, and when the ship still had damage, I was quite relieved. I was quite worried that with the Reset Button that it would wipe out the Xindi attack and we would start at the beginning again. Which would make sense, if the TCW is over, they should go back to the very beginning. But, as long as they keep that the Xindi storyline happened (though no reference in past canon), I am a happy camper and can overlook these two episodes and begin afresh.

Indeed...I'm pissed we had to wait 5 months for it though. But that feeling when they couldn't get a signal at first...and then the relief when it started chirping. LP got to emote- hurrah.

On a purely shallow note: Trip in civvies.....yum. Poor Trip-he's got enough going on, what with escaping, and in the middle of that, he gets to find out Archer is not dead after all.

Trip demonstrating the resourcefulness of engineers. Go Trip. Shimmy up those pipes again. Show off your big, ...brain. At least someone at Paramount got to have fun with the mock propaganda films.The killed Silik but Daniels lives; bastards! Silik had personality and style; Daniels, he’s still a block of wood. A hilarious turn of events would be Silik replacing Daniels in the corrected time line, giving Archer a funny wink goodbye. Sigh, only in my dreams.
I watched the re-setting time line behind Daniels, carefully. Looks like the trench digging Xindi ball of doom got edited in, sort of. I suppose the follow up for what details changed and what didn’t comes later. Must we fill in the blanks ourselves or should we have blind faith that the writters have made it all better now?

Where do we go frome here?...... All together now. You know the tune.

Next week, Vulcan wedding. Oh crap. Dejavu in a bad way.

Yeah, but is Silik dead, given the reset? After all, look who's back.

Sigh, I missed the first twenty minutes and I don't feel like I missed anything terribly important. And I swear I saw a White Star in the ending montage. Which, BTW, manages to beat out Voyager's return.

If only Trip had shot Archer.

Daniels is so in love with Archer. And after the latest recap, I giggled like crazy when he just had to slip one last "Jonathan" in there.

I'm glad this is all wrapped up and we can get to something different. The only thing I really liked about this episode was them finally getting to go home. That, and the prospect, at least, of Mr. Sparkly Fremen Michelin Man finally being gone for good even if he isn't dead.

Well i thought this show reached a new height in suckitude and the whole timeline wars resolution blew. I will give them props with the Nazi montage at the beginning which was pretty cool and the ships coming to greet Enterprise at the end as an honor guard like they did with the Voyager finale.



Huh? Did i miss something or did they just completely cop out on who was pulling the suliban's strings.

Daniels would have reset it.

The two scenes you mentioned as well as Trip freeing himself and confronting Archer were the best parts of the episode. I just wish that the homecoming in SF2 had been the closing shot to Zero Hour. There was absolutely no need to waste two episodes on this alien Nazi crap.

As a whole, I thought SFII was boring and generally uninspired. I don't care how much they try Archer is never going to be like Kirk or Picard.

That ending was touching. The rest of the ep sucked goat balls.

The Good:
The teaser: Sure it was just a waste of precious time that could have been spent on the actual story. Sure it didn't tell us anything we didn't know. Sure it didn't tell us anything we cared about. Wait, what was my point?

ENT flying over NY City.

Daniels gone forever and ever. Or is he?

MACOs. Continuity YAY! God, look at me getting excited over the little scraps of continuity they're throwing us.


I liked the timeline representation, although I was reminded of the last Q/Picard scene in "All Good Things" (except this one was much worse, of course).

The Bad:
Did not like Lily Lite at all in this ep. They should have just hired Alfre Woodard. She would have made those lines work.

The alleyway where the gunfight took place looked busted. I think I could have built a more realistic set.

The CGI of the German dive bombers SUCKED!

Silik dying. He definitely was the best part of TCW.

The Confusing"
When Silik and Archer were looking for Alicia, why didn't they just scan for her or the communicator?

Why couldn't Archer contact Enterprise? Silik claimed that the ionization in the atmosphere prevented the signal from going through. If that were true, then no one on a planet would ever be able to contact the ship. Why would ENT being in the atmosphere make any difference.

How did T'Pol et al know how long Vosk had been in that time? She said he had only been there a few years.



I am too!! Can't wait for Family Lite.

NASA can't contact the shuttle when it is in re-entry...same principle, I assume.

Hey, it was still kind of neat. Along with Enterprise engaged in a battle over NYC.

Though I was confused about the part about how killing Lenin in 1916 prevented the entire Russian Revolution. Heck even if for some reason Russia never came under Communism, I didn't get why it wouldn't be a threat to Germany. After all Russia was in WWI under the Czar. Oh why do I bother. It's Enterprise.


I saw that as well, I think they also showed a shot of the Twin Towers on 9/11 in that little mix as well. I might be wrong on that though, it went by so fast.

Main Bad Guy was pretty good. Smart, manipulative, although playing the technological trump card on those bumbling Nazis was predictable. Stupid Nazis.

Did I see the "next generation" of starship to the Enterprise's upper left at the end?



You're right, the Soviet Union's involvment in WWII is much more complex than that. There's a series of docs, "The World at War" available at Netflix that is absolutley comprehensive. And good too.

I thought Silik was the "shower" guy? Between two, I like the second part better. Little more action I guess. I can see why the make-up people get awards.

It wasn't the greatest episode ever, but I think the writers did a pretty good job of making a silk purse (ok, a satin purse) out of a sow's ear. I've never been a fan of the TCW, simply because temporal mechanics are too complex for the previous seasons' writers to pull off.
That being said, I think Part 2 had a lot more good parts to it than Part 1: The teaser, Trip/Archer's reunion, the Enterprise over NY, Silik, Reed's weapons lecture, Quantum no longer even responding to Daniels's ridiculous flattery and best of all (I really really hope) Daniels's permanent departure.
Call me crazy, but I heard the voice of the writers a lot more clearly in this episode. Maybe it was the haste with which they disposed of Daniels and the TCW. Maybe it was the brief alliance of Silik and Archer - which had so little purpose in the plot, it had to have been done for us, the audience. I'm cautiously optimistic. I know the acting can be great, the special effects awesome (did you notice that great shot of Enterprise coming into the Earth's atmosphere at sunset/dawn?!). Maybe the writing will live up to its potential.
Maybe I should get off the optimistic crack before my hopes are crushed.

A spotty episode. The newsreel footage at the begining was great. I was a bit confused by the ending. How did they prevent Lenin being shot in 1916? Also, after the Reset, where did all those other ships come from? I don't remember them being around to help defend Earth from the Xindi weapon. (I suppose Enterprise could have returned to "normal" time a few weeks after the Xindi attack, giving the other ships time to assemble.)

But the real puzzler is -- when Silik squidged through that little bitty vent, how come his *shoes* morphed? They wouldn't have fit through the slot. Shouldn't Silik have squidged right out of them"

I thought the effects in the time conduit and during the Cosmic Reset looked very "Quantum Leap"-y.

That sucked! The only good bits were the beginning propaganda film, Silik as a "human", and the very end scene when they get back home.

Who was Shower Guy?

Bye, Daniels! Don't let the temporal door hit you where the good transdimensional superbeing split you! I bet when the series jumps the shark again, we'll see more of Daniels.

I saw Bill and Hillary Clinton in the happy temporal fixing scene.

I hope he's not, but I also hope we never find out for sure because it would mean more Temporal Cold War.


I thought it looked like the opening credits sequence.

I have to admit I wasn't paying too close attention because I was grading papers while it was on, but I did perk up for their not-explanation of how the Nazis got to America. So they easily invaded England. Okay. Still doesn't explain how that got them across the Atlantic and where their staging ground would have been since they didn't appear to have taken any of Canada first.

I missed the Enterprise over NYC, so I'll clearly have to tune in to the reairing tomorrow.

Hee!

The newsreel footage was very cool. Thought the CGI was very impressive. Althugh the scene kind of fails if that's what I'm thinking while watching it.

Bet the actor playing Silik was very relieved there were a few scenes where he didn't have to go through all that makeup. It was interesting seeing what he really looks like.

Loved Malcolm's weapons reverie. Oh, and that shot of Enterprise flying past the Chrysler building. But I mainly loved that we got the happy homecoming we should have back in May.

Next week looks interesting. They mentioned the kal-i-fee!

Who was Lenin's assassin supposed to be? Reed said he "vanished", or something similar... implying Suliban camouflage? So was it the Suliban and Temporal Shower Guy who started this last bit of the TCW? So then why did Silik have to hitch a ride back...

Ah, screw it. I love Silik. He totally didn't deserve to die like that. He had style, he had cool powers. RIP. Or, you know, maybe now he'll never be born.

Hee to the teaser. Very nicely done.

Oh, right, so not only do the aliens dress like Nazis, they are Nazis.



Yes, yes! Hoowah, that was yummy-looking. (It was dawn, cos the sun had come up when Trip and Archer came out. Yow, were the mob and the Nazis shooting it out for hours?



And yet they could beam up Archer and Trip while still in the atmosphere, right above the Alienazi compound. But that wasn't during re-entry, so... okay, I'll give them that.



Loved Hoshi's little excited giggle.

I thought it was alright. A lot better than last week's episode. Like others have said the best parts were:

1. The trailor. Sure, it didn't help the plot any, but it was pretty damn cool.

2. Enterprise battling over NYC. Seeing all of the buildings underneath while Enterprise glided above firing at the Nazi planes was some of the best special effects I've seen on this show.

3. The welcoming party when Ent. was back in it's own time. It was nice seeing all the ships come to greet Ent. then turning around and flying back to Earth along side.

Too bad Silik's dead and Daniels isn't though.

Bring on the Big Fat Vulcan Wedding!

I thought it was great. A little confusing, temporally speaking, but they really wrapped it all up in a pretty exciting and satisfying way. I'm also glad they left the door open to pick up the TCW again someday, because despite all the temporal confusion I still enjoy it.


Exactly the question I hope they answer when and if they ever get back to it. But they definitely need to let it rest for a while.


Silik loves him more. Aw, Silik got to die in his arms.


They didn't. A neat bit of the effect was when his one shoe got kind of stuck because it was just barely narrow enough to get through.


It sort of looked like the thing Daniels showed Archer in "Cold Front", but more detailed. I presume they were in some time-bubble-holodeck thing that Daniels had.

Oh well, my head hurts thinking on what (of the previous 3 seasons) got re-set or what not. The Xindi arc survived, right?

Other than that, it was sucky-diddily done. These last 2 episodes were supposed to clean-up what exactly?

Meh for the earth crew... just bad lines all around.

Absolutely. I don't think anything we've seen changed. Defeating Vosk didn't end the Temporal Cold War. It just kept it from escalating to the all-out conflict that Daniels wanted to stop.

The thing with the Lenin assassination enabling Vosk to take power made little to no sense, though. "Chicken and the Egg" is not an explanation. I can use my imagination, but frankly it gives even me a headache. And unlike Janeway and O'Brien, I love temporal mechanics.

Archer said that Vosk was from the 29th Century when he was speaking with him. So, I would assume that by preventing Vosk from returning to the 29th Century, any changes he and his kind would've made over the next two centuries (bring them into Daniels' time) were reset. Thus, you have to assume that the Lenin assassin came from the time after Vosk's return. Now that he's dead, that assassination plot will not be planned or carried out. Just my thoughts.

This was an improvement over the last episode, but that's not saying much.

Sad to see Silik go. I do agree he was probably the only good thing about the TCW.

I also don't really see how Lenin being assassinated would affect the Russian front in WWII. The weak tsarist state had already been overthrown before Lenin was even back from his exile in Europe. I guess the writers are assuming the Menshevik government would be just as weak or weren't aware that the communists only seized control later on. Maybe I'm overthinking the history here.

Caught between the moon and New York City. I know it's crazy, but it's true.

I hope that you are all right about the tabula kinda rasa. I am looking forward to the wedding and Brent Spiner with a miffed look on his face.

It seemed Daniels barely refrained from fixing Archer with a look and clarifying that Archer is his bitch. They so deserve each other.



Silik brought elegance, dignity, snark, and made Archer even more of pretentious ass while standing next to him. He dares! Of course they kill the upstart.



There were two similarities to VOY that I saw, and as much as I hated "End Game" I still thought the 24th century homecoming looked prettier, because at least some of those ships were well-defined. In both cases I thought the "lighting" and angles were ass but I guess that's to be expected from a franchise that, in this latest episode, didn't bother to show the weapon-impacts when the first volleys were traded. Because the dinners and actors, they are so compelling. The other similarity was the ascent in "Dragon's Teeth" which IMO was much more intense and prettier than this dogfight in "Storm Front."

Ah, so this whole arc was just a plot by Daniels to get Silik out of the way so he can have "Jonathan" all to himself?

Word! I was thinking the exact same thing. They destroyed the weapon headed for Earth, they could have had Archer beaming out of the weapon at the last second and then they all go home. They really didn't need to "resolve" the TCW, it just gives me headaches. Looking forward to the new season starting next week.

Yeah, I forgot to mention this in my previous post. That was totally anvilicious.

And I still think Silik's shoes morphed. There's no way they would have fit through that vent.

I completely forgot this was on last night. My UPN station repeats on Sunday so I'll see it then. It looks like they are dropping the whole Time thing and that is a good thing.

I loved the newsreel at the beginning. Very well done. Also, the firefight over NYC was cool. Plus, Trip's guns while he was tied up were yummy. Other than that....meh

Bring on the Farscape mini so I can watch some good SciFi.

I believe someone above mentioned Canada in passing.

It's a good question. Canada was in the war longer than the States (declared war one day after Britain in '39) and contributed a lot to the European war (particularly in our timeline). The Nazis cross the Atlantic, and then... ignore it?

That map in the White House had the battle front marked, details of the American setup and their own. Canada was blank. Even if it were somehow now neutral, separated from the war, is it good planning not to have cities, internal borders, landmarks? Sheesh.

To top it off, the newsreel had an interesting shot of this one fellow - round-faced, smiling if I recall. There's a wider shot of him in front of a large stone Gothic Revival building. No mention of who he is or where, in the narration.

That's William Lyon Mackenzie King. In front of Parliament, in Ottawa. In this newsreel for no apparent reason.

I've called Trek Amerocentric before, and they've tyet to change my mind.

I missed the first half of this episode, so I didn't see the newsreel; I hope it's as cool as it sounds. Loved the whole "Great Reset Button In the Sky" sequence at the end; it kinda reminds me of "The City On the Edge of Forever". Overall, not too shabby, all things considered. Archer finding Trip like that seemed a bit too easy, but their reunion was funny.

Archer: "The building's about to blow up."
Trip: "Right."

Well, I guess you had to be there.

I'm one of the school of thought that Daniels started the TCW just as an excuse to get near Archer.

It's quite possible that President Kerensky's Menshevik government tried to follow the same "appeasement" trail blazed by Neville Chamberlain, with similarly borderline-disastrous results. The Nazis would have secured their eastern borders, then moved west. It is worth noting that even with this change, according to the briefing the head Nazi was receiving in the White House, they still overextended, opened up a two-front war, and were about to lose (again) on that account. One lousy squadron of Messerschmidts armed with phase cannons (or whatever those were) would not have been able to turn such a huge tide - cf the introduction of the Me-262 jet fighter-bomber in 1944, too late to help the cause. (Now, a squadron of Me-262s with phase cannons...) ;-)

I did love the German Weapons Review, starring Malcolm - we just haven't seen enough of his obsessive interest in weapons this past season! It's so nice to see a character trait remembered by the writers...

Overall, I liked this ep a lot more than last week's. However, the bar was set pretty high with last season's ending - it remains to be seen if, without daily interference from Bermaga, the writers can scale those heights more often.

I think they mentioned that England had already been conquered, perhaps Canada withdrew after England fell?
Or perhaps they figured no one would notice, I'm pretty sure that is probably the case.

Yup, that's exactly what it evoked for me too. I hope it was intentional.

Like everyone else, I thought the newsreel was neat (actually i found it genuinely chilling), and Enterprise over NYC. And yeah, the end was ripped straight from VOY. Again, I enjoyed this episode but I'm now really looking forward to getting on with the rest of the season.

I'm actually not a fan of having the same actor play multiple generations of a family (especially hundreds of years apart) because it's just unrealistic, but I'm still looking forward to Spiner. But i'm much more interested in seeing if Coto can rescue T'Pol from the clutches of CrackWhore-dom.

Damn, that sucked.

I liked the end bit, and I liked Silik, but the rest of the episode was just kind of bad. I am disappointed. :(

Ehh, too much cold medicine for further coherence.

They weren't even messerschmidts, they were Stuka's. Which were divebombers. And slow ones.

Why put great weapons on divebombers that were obselete by 1943?