I'm blaming this whole Alienazi thing on Daniels.

PS. Demian the Stupendous will be covering the recaplet for me while I attend a Very Uncomfortable Wedding so show him some love and respect. I'll be back for the recap and getting it done in record time. I hope.

Storm Front -- Patterns of Farce?

Or is it the Red Skull?

Hah, keckler is psychic.

Did they remix the theme song again, or did I succeed in driving it from my memory?

Anyway... hmmm. Not sure which way I want to go with this one. One the one hand, there's a lot of setup, so it's tough, but at the same time, you can't blame the atrocious dialogue on it all being setup.

And the dialogue was atrocious. "War is a dirty buisness." Really? Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather. Big. Honkin'. Oy.

At the same time, I was digging alt-Earth, but I know a little bit about World War II, so... how exactly did the Germans get enough troops (not to mention materiel) to invade America? Did the aliens supply it? Also, why didn't they invade Canada?

But there was Porthos! Porthos! The Porthos/Phlox scene definitely had me cracking up. Quality stuff, there. I also enjoyed almost everything invovling Trip and T'Pol, and Silik! It's good to see you again. Daniels... well... you're dead. Again. Yeah, like that'll last.

If you ask me, Daniels is a menace. How much mischief is the result of his cowboy temporizing?

Hmmm... Archer in handcuffs. Okay, I'm done with the gutter rat imagery now. And I ve got "There are sections of Brooklyn I wouldn't reccomend you try to invade." stuck in my head.

ETA - argh - hope that fixed it.

Hey, isn't the chief Nazalien The Master from season one Buffy?

Wow, only eight posts in half an hour? I missed it, but it must have been [sarcasm]scintillating[/sarcasm].

Actually, I've been too busy watching. I tried to post & screwed it up, so I'll wait 'til the end, or commercials. Kinda talky, but fun so far.

The Quantum/Alicia scene in her apartment felt very much like a scene from Quantum Leap with the whole "What year is it? World War II" "I've never heard it called that before." conversation.

Overall I liked it.

Would it have killed them dead to put a SpaceShip One clip in the credits?

And, oy, the dialogue. Gives me a migraine, it does.

A big, resounding m'eh. The whole... go back in time, fight evil from future, bring a black woman on a ship called Enterprise...

And I'm so out of practice of seeing Suliban, when Silik oozed out of Trip's arms, my first thought was, "My God, Silik's a Founder!"

So, instead of merely having to save Earth, now Our Heroes have to "save all of Time"? Way to raise the stakes there, writers!

Damn! No "Oh boy!" Now I'm pissed.

BTW, I didn't post earlier because I watched the debate.

Yeah, that was all quite hackalicious. Manny Coto, please live up to the faith (of the heart) that I've had in you all summer long.

The opening images of the shuttle under fire looked like a cartoon. The song still sucks vacuum. I oppose the temporal cold war on principal so very little of the plot appeals to me. Suddenly the community access station looks good. Oh well Trip darling, we still have my dreams.

To quote evil Hercules: Disappointed!!!!!

I enjoyed it. Not the best by far, but certainly far, far from the worst.

I just know I'm going to be disappointed. I so want Daniels to be dead, dead, DEAD! But I sadly suspect our intrepid heroes will save the timeline and he'll return to piss me off another day. Plus I need to rewatch & figure out exactly the hows & whys of his demise. (Sorry unintentional rhyme.)

Oh, and Hoshi? DON'T FREAKIN' HUG THE CAPTAIN ON THE BRIDGE!!! I wish Malcolm had slapped her. Or even T'Pol. Someone needed to - way to be a professional there, big girl. You're making all us females look bad.

Do I need to spoilerize plot plots to discuss this? I know a lot of folks/markets didn't get to see it yet & I don't want to offend or do it wrong.

How sad, the part that made me squeal? Turning from the shadows, "In two weeks - Brent Spiner!" Heavy sigh.

ET/out - spoiler tags. And I stand by my thinking Hoshi was dumb there. Save it for later, in the Captain's quarters, so the guy has a chance to make a playback.

You needn't spoilerize plot points of episodes aired.

Aw, I don't know, they thought he was dead. Hoshi hugging the captain was kinda sweet. Even Malcolm the consummate professional was poleaxed. Hell, even T'Pol seemed to tear up. Oh, wait ... that last one's not such a big deal.

I was beyond delighted to have Enterprise back, but ... this was ... deeply unexciting. God, I hope next week is better.

I'm just glad that, thanks to digital channels, I can get the pain of Enterprise over at 5pm and leave 8pm to better shows. 'What if' history with WW2 is already a sci-fi cliche. The least they could do is use plausible alternative versions. I could shoot too many logic holes in this with just my faded high school history memories. Someone make them read at minimum Harry Turtledove. Or that entire series based on time agents in 20th century that I can not remember the title for, or find on the shelf at the moment.(Super geeks help.)

I have to agree with the mehs.

I almost missed it. Didn't know when the premiere was airing. Luckily I checked the Enterprise board yesterday.


I'm confused about the whole time travel thing. So the Nazalien go back in time, go back to the future declare war then go back in time again to build a time machine to go back to the future again? Did they went back in time 200 years, tried to change things in their favor then go back to the future and things are not that big in their favor as they thought so they went back further in time?

I wonder why they don't just travel 1000 years into the future, get all the technologies then go back to their own time. Surely it must be easier to get the resources to build a one shot time machine in the future than during resource starved WW2. 85 tons of aluminum and 100 something tons of carbon steel during WW2 would probably something difficult to get I think.

Don't they have their own world to travel back in time to? Surely they would know their own culture and psychology better. They would fit in better too. They have technology to change the appearance of an alien in DS9 and ST:TNG so I don't know why the Nazalien don't do that. Aryan brothers coming from the future to help advance the Nazi cause would be more convincing than demon-like alien coming back from the future to advance the Nazi cause.

My reaction: It was good to see all the crew again, including Porthos. I found I missed them. The plot, though? Not excited about it. It's my usual dislike for future space shows visiting past earth. Not their mission statement, not why I watch. Hopefully they'll get this plotline wrapped up soon and move on.

I thought that the Nazaliens only went back in time once and then went forward again once after building their giant time machine. The crew just happens to be at that point in time that the Nazaliens went back to.

Man, I'm glad I wasn't the only one wondering that. I can suspend my disbelief all over the place, but just drop a line or a little swastika in Mexico on the map or something to help me out.

Me, three (or is it four or five, now?) on that count. I found myself thinking, "Well, she kind of looks like Alfre Woodard."

God, this Temporal War shit is giving me a freaking headache. I have to agree with RS6--why not just bring what you need to the past and...oh, whatever. And why would the Nazis cooperate with aliens? Wouldn't it be more plausible that the Nazis would just as soon blow the aliens to smithereens (or at least, try to)?



Freakin' word. Oh, well. I'm hopeful that next week won't be so dull.

Oh, before I go: I really think that [Ol' girl from Girlfriends] was a bit of a miscast. She seemed less NYC and far more LA. But then, I know her only from Girlfriends, so that didn't help matters.

Stealth time travel? I'm not the only person who thinks that's just silly, am I? To me, that's pretty telling that time travel in a Star Trek series shouldn't be done for a long, long time. I'm going to give Coto the benefit of the doubt and chalk this up to wrapping up the TCW once and for all, then, hopefully we can all move on from there. Daniels is dead. Yay! It was kind of cool that parts of him were different ages, though.

Well they did show up with technology to help them win the war so they might have put the whole Arian superiority thing to the side for a moment. Maybe the Nazis had the outlook of "We''ll work with you now, but when the moment is right we'll destroy you (or try to)."

This was a pretty underwhelming episode. It was nice to see the crew in action again, but the plot wasn't so great.

I was also excited to see Silik again. I think that has more to do with the fact that the Xindi were lousy villains than that the Suliban were good ones though.



A-freakin'-men.

Ah, but he won't stay dead. Not after Quantum pushes that big reset button.

Rrrrgh.

That line from Casablanca hit me, too, though not until the gunfight in the alleyway. And I also kept wondering where the hell Alfre Woodard was.

Hard to evaluate. Need more story.


He even said that ending this thing would bring him back (or his timeline, at least).


I don't even get how their whole Aryan superiority thing worked in real life, because they didn't run around just plain killing people they didn't like. I can buy that a bunch of aliens who appear to them and say, "We can help you win this war," would be listened to.


I didn't understand that, and I'm not going to try to for now. I'm hopeful that there will be more information coming next week, but for now I'm willing to accept "general temporal wackiness" as the explanation.

Thought of one thing: shout-out for continuity! Before Archer puts on his civvies, you can still see the slash marks in his back that Degra left. Nice touch.

Hey! Bobby Bacala was there! In la resistance, yay! more Sopranos,please!' Archer saying 'Just tell Sal I want to talk to him'? what is this, the mafia? Maybe Tony or Johnny Sack can help. Plus they worked for a construction Union,total Sopranos shout-out.

But meh episode, too much damn temporal anomalies talk makes my head hurt.

Why would Daniels NOT know about his precious Archer??

So now while the temporal war in fullblown, will ENT have to constantly time-travel to fix the timeline? Is this show going to turn out into 'Quantum Leap' meets 'Voyagers' ? (y'remember?, the one with Jon Erik Hexum)

Why do we need to be reminded on how odious the Nazis were??, total overkill.

Who is Silik again? I don't know. Geez, hope it gets better, I've already abandoned ENT one time on the 2nd season.

Interesting-- especially given the corner they painted themselves into with the finale. I wouldn't say it was great, but it was fine enough... and we'll see how it all pans out next week.

Yeah, but Joey Peeps was way hotter.

Did I just type that out loud?

Remember that the nazi's did make alliances with Italy and Japan. Not really aryans. So it's no real stretch to say the nazi's would make alliances that would be in their favor.

We also don't know when the aliens show up. If it's in 1942 when the war has already turned against germany, then of course they'd accept help.

Ha, when the alien said they could create a pathogen that would only kill non-Aryans, I said, "Well, there goes the Fuehrer!" That was really dumb.

I'm hoping that this plot will wrap up quickly and we'll be done with the TCW once and for all. I'm so deeply sick of time travel on Trek.

I did a little happy dance when Daniels kicked the bucket but yeah, I'm not expecting it to stick. Damn it.

I noticed that, but I also noticed that Whatshername didn't do anything about patching up Quantum's back. (Neither did the Nazi doctors, for that matter) Wasn't he oozing blood all over her couch? You think someone would have noticed.

I agree with "meh". I, unlike most people, don't hate Time Travel in Trek, however this episode just wasn't that interesting. It seemed that the whole episode consisted of things that had already been done, either on Trek or other shows.

Also I don't quite get how killing the Nazi Aliens will save all of time. I get that they are involved in the TCW, but how will stopping them now change the fact that there are Nazi's in America. An explanation would be nice.

Yes. Yes you did. Was he the one who got shot first? 'Cause he was kinda hot. I think. I'll have to *gulp* watch the re-run.

Potential fanwank: killing (or 'destablilizing', or 'technobabbling') the alieNazis retroactively removes them from the timeline, like with Archer's brain parasites. I predict that overloading their 'time tunnel' thing will have this effect. No alieNazi temporal incursion = Reset Button.

I suspect that the stilted dialog, etc. stems from the fact that the writers only have two episodes in which to mop up the cliffhanger that they were left with at the end of last season. I'm grudginly fine with that; I don't want this season's whole theme to be Quantum Leapy.

Yeah, I see the Reset coming. As near as I can figure it, from Daniels perspective, the bad aliens went back, changed history, built their own time machine, and returned to their present, and in returning, "won" the Temporal Cold War. But he managed to sent Archer & Enterprise back to "before" the bad aliens "returned to their present" so they could be defeated before they were victorious.

It makes my head hurt, but if I can find some 8-D paper to diagram it on, I think I can make sense of it.

Congratulations to UPN for almost successfully burying the season premiere. If I hadn't watched Smackdown on Thursday night, I'd never have known this was on. Which might not be so bad, since then I'd have an hour of my life back.

Mrs. Shem was contemptuous of the Nazis-in-America premise -- time meddlers or no time meddlers, it'd be like invading Russia all over again. I could buy it for the sake of the plot, but even I couldn't swallow the seriously boring execution. They'd better have a hell of a second part to make up for this.

Let me know when Doctor Who shows up.

Let me add my voice to the chorus: This episode was fated to be bad, I think, simply because of the need to wrap up the Alien!Nazi garbage that was dumped on us at the end of last season. That said, I think that it could have been done better -- maybe even if it had been played for laughs. (Hard to do with Nazis, maybe, though Mel Brooks has broken that barrier for us.)

I still have some hopes for this season. I believe I will keep them wrapped up until after next week.

I just hope the long-suffering Demian isn't turned off by this episode of Enterprise and turns his back on all Trek media. It's not all this bad. Really. *looks at other posts* Mel Brooks and Doctor Who would be an improvement. Mel Brooks AS Doctor Who, not so sure...

There wouldn't have been enough Nazis in Germany to occupy New York City, much less the entire East Coast. I guess presidential candidates and the writers of Enterprise all live in the same Bizzaro world reality.

People! People! People! Don't you know that you're cutting off your nose to spite your face by ragging on the time travel stuff? These time travel story arcs weren't written to entertain you and get ratings. They are there to set up for the boogie, which is the next Trek franchise show called "Time Trek", that incorporates a built-in Deus Ex Machina factor, freeing up the writers from any need for continuity or even common sense.

Don't spoiler-tag non-spoilers please. It's in the FAQ.

You know something's wrong with the season premiere when, after a ridiculously long wait for it after a bizarre cliffhanger, and a forum thread for last season's finale that ran to 30-odd pages, the day after the premiere, there are all of three pages in the thread. All saying "Well .... meh."

How could anything following "Zero Hour" be this unremarkable? Hell, how could Nazis in the White House be this boring? I hope it's just Coto trying to dig himself out from under a mess and that it picks up speed.

Oh, and speaking of continuity with CQ's uniform, I noticed Hoshi still wasn't wearing makeup and looked very tired -- nice touch. Of course, somehow between all her new captainly duties and the time travel crisis, T'Pol had time to stop in at the stylist's and get her bangs cut too damn short.

Very "meh", possibly "blech" for me, too.

Nazis, whoop... It's always Nazis. Why not do something fun and send them back to the year of the 3 Popes (they could have an entire ep just trying to figure out which pope to back!)?

I might record next week, but I'm much more likely to just read the recap.

Maybe it's just because I watched it after the debate, but I thought President Bush wrote this episode instead of preparing to speak. Nazis in America is a much more terrifying and compelling scenario than "Need some wood?"

There a rumor on the internets that Bermaga said in some interview that this Temporal Cold War BS would all be wrapped up soon, so I'm just hoping that these episodes are just to get through it quickly.

Why were the aliens dressed in earth clothes? Not just the Nazi officers, but there were doctors and stuff too. Why did all the Nazis speak English?

Daniels told Archer exactly that: Destroy the big shimmery tube thing the aliens are building in New Jersey (or wherever), and the whole timeline resets.

It doesn't tell us how they get the Enterprise back to its own time, though.

This episode went much as I expected. That is to say, a whole lot of "Huh"? My biggest problem was the usage of Enterprise's transporters. I mean, couldn't Frick and Frack (their true names escape me at the moment) have set the explosives on a timer, then beamed out? Couldn't they beam the Suliban back on board? And how did they lock on to Cap'n Quantum and his new girlfriend after they moved?

I don't get too worked up over story and character problems right away; that takes time. But screw up a technobabble detail, and I'm all over it.

Liked:

Quantum and Golden Brooks had some good moments together. She reminded me of Lily in First Contact and sure enough, he takes her to the Enterprise. Now let's see in Part II, "Quantum, blow up the damn ship!" "NOOOOO!" The thing I hate is that they gave LilyLite a husband to kill any idea of Quantum getting some interracial romancin'. Stupid PC Hollywood.

Also liked Dead Daniels and the end of this TCW. Unfortunately that means the end of the Suliban, who were the only good thing about the TCW. We probably will never know who Shower Guy was either.

It was nice to see Travis part of the action!

I also thought the new digital format made for a more vivid look and reminded me of how colorful TOS was.

Final like. Porthos! His eye droop reaction when Phlox offered him a snack was amazing. He stole the show.

Didn't like:

The stilted dialogue and cliched writing. Cartoonish mobsters, racist Nazis and once again, our lead characters seem to sit and let events unfold around them until they get a "big break" like a guy who once saw a gray skinned man.

Reset button foreshadowing.

T'Pol's CRACKWHORE emotions. Somebody needs some serious Khonlinar.

Oh, I almost forgot about that. Something they'll never address: Is he white? Or were the manpower shortages so great in the United States after the invasion that they integrated the armed forces a few years early?