I pretty much hate them all.

Hot damn that was a tough one, keckler!

I must admit, I love the Gary Seven episode. Sure the spin-off would never have lasted, but I would have watched it anyway.

I agree. Compared to Daniels, Wesley, Janeway, even Neelix (Phlox is what Neelix wanted to be, ask me) are tolerable.

I'm also on the "hate them all" train, but I voted for the Traveller. Dude! Stop telling Wesley he's special! Ew!

ITA, lis. The Traveller deserved a smackdown. I hate Daniels, but his motives haven't been revealed yet (I think) so I haven't decided how much I hate him.

Good call, cuiusquemodi. I never thought of it that way, but you are so right!

At least with Daniels, I can hope he has some sinister agenda, or that he'll accidentally make things worse instead of better.

But Mr. Wesley "I'm with Starfleet. We don't lie. [Until we get grumpy]" Crusher? It's always Wesley.

Wesley has never bugged me quite as much as he seems to bug other people <shrug> (despite my Dad insisting on calling him "the twerpy kid") and I liked some of the Voyager time travel eps (though going back to 1996 with a distinct absence of KHAAAAAAN! was a bit disappointing) so I voted for Daniels. He's just so whiny. He's really done nothing to convince me that Quantum and Qrew wouldn't have been better off without him.

Also, Wesley was had more screen time than Daniels or the Traveller, so I had to go with Wesley too.

Wesley, but mostly because I've always held a flaming hatred towards the character.

I'd have voted for Wesley if he actually appeared more as a time-traveller but he never really did.

Right now, Daniels and his smugness is just really annoying me more than anyone else!

I voted for the Traveller, though the entire crew of Voyager tempted me greatly. He's just so creepy with his Wesley fixation.

Gotta be Wesley, despite his time-travelling happening mostly off screen.
What won him my vote? The Ex Factor; I never had a crush on any of the others. That little bit of retroactive "ew" puts him over the top.

Heh. "Retroactive ew."

I had to add Angel because I'm rewatching first season Buffy and he's all "He's coming. Be ready for him," before walking off. That's the sort of annoying talk I hate from these omnotscient freaks. Although, first season Angel is just so damn yum.

Lordy, yes. Yum-my. In fact, in my shallowness the "yum" outweighs the "annoying" and the "can't really act yet".

Still, being all cryptic with Buffy is less annoying than praising Wesley. I think I'm standing by my vote. Heh.

I kept expecting TPTB to use Wesley as the reset button to save Voyager. [small voice] I was actually a bit disappointed that they didn't![sv] But I stand by my vote of Always Wesley because his outfits were always worse that Daniels' Catwoman suit.

I just had a horrible image of Daniels in the Halle Berry Catwoman suit. Ew, ew, ew, ew!

Wait, how did Angel time-travel? It was only in that one episode where Illyria's Blue Meanie powers were acting up.

Wesley didn't look too bad when they put him in the regular Starfleet uniform. I think his worst outfit was that gray "acting ensign" uniform. Or that shirt with the rainbow stripe in the middle. Or the ugly orange sweater.

He time-travelled just by being so old. I'm sure there are other times he travelled -- he certainly dimension-travelled, which is what Wesley and his Lovah are also doing.

There was also that very early episode where Angel became human, had a big sex-a-thon with Buffy, and then decided he couldn't fight the good fight as a human. He had these orange oracle guys undo it, and he was the only one that kept the memory of that day. Arrogant bastard, deciding what's best for everyone. Oh, hi, Daniels.


Oh god yes. Way to undermine his authority as an Ensign, Picard. Either he deserves the same respect other Ensigns get, or he doesn't get to be an Ensign. Make a frickin' decision. Shut up, Wesley's gray acting-ensign uniform.

Can I vote for "everyone except Angel" ('cause yeah, yum, even when he was being a cryptic dork). OK, I ended up voting for Daniels, because his annoyance factor is the most recent. And most likely to grow in the future, since we're sure to get more of him next season.

Talking about Angel and Wesley in the same posts gets me all confused and I picture Wesley Wyndham-Pryce in the fugly gray acting ensign uniform.

And an unshaven Wil Wheaton in turtlenecks and glasses?

I was trying so hard not to go there, because I was disturbed enough already and...yup, here come the nightmares.

I voted for the entire Voyager Crew, because my hate for them knows no bounds...
Daniels would be a close second, though.



*Shudder* Now I will have to find something sharp to get that image out of my head.

Any poll that contains the word "annoying" and has Wesley as one of the choices, will always go to Wesley, as far as I'm concerned. Grrrr.

I suppose it's because I sort of grew up along with Wesley, since Wheaton and I are about the same age. He's always reminded me of that uber-annoying, "teacher, you forgot to give us homework!" kid in class. Shudder. Shut up, Wesley. Just for good measure.

Besides, I've never seen the Traveller, don't watch Angel, don't really care one way or the other about Daniels, and I like the Voyagerians, Gary Seven and the cat.

Luckily I just swallowed my last sip of cider, otherwise YOMANK.


Heh, I'm glad I'm not the only one. Although, that Wesley and Picard on the same bridge--hmmm....

It's not fair of me to vote, actually. I only watched a few eps of Voyager and none of Enterprise. But Gary Seven? He had Teri Garr as a sidekick! Plus a cat. That offsets all kinds of smugness.

I had to vote for the entire crew of Voyager, they lost me somewhere through season one and every time I dipped in they had got worse. That woman's voice got on my nerves, it grated. Daniels ran a close second though.

I've never minded Gary Seven at all -- I just put him in the poll because others have had such a violent reaction to him.

It has to be the Traveller, because lis is, as ever, absolutely right:

All the Traveller ever did was encourage Wesley, and for that, I cannot forgive him.

So close between Wesley and the Voyager cast, and I'm one of those who didn't really hate Wesley.

Then again, I never really liked him all that much, either. Screw Wesley. He gets my vote for the sheer obnoxious gifted kid factor. While the crew of Voyager was certainly annoying, I never found them as annoying as time travellers.

Although I would have liked to have seen slots for PCP WHORE McCoy and Bashir....

Were McCoy and Bashir time-travellers? Why is McCoy a PCP WHORE?

McCoy time-travelled in "City on the Edge of Forever" and was high on something at the time. Bashir did some time travelling during the "Trials and Tribble-ations" incident, but so did Sisko, Dax, O'Brien, Worf, and Odo.

So yeah, I don't get that either.

Oh, and I particularly like E'Muffin's "as ever" comment. Hee!

Yeah, but Spock and Kirk also time-travelled in "City on the Edge of Forever," so...?

"MURDERERS!"

I could never consider McCoy annoying, even when he was high on angel dust. He's one of my favorite characters, evah! Other than Spock, he was probably the most consistent voice of reason in Trek, imo.

And if McCoy was annoying because of the drugs, what was Kirk's excuse?

Why was Wesley ever inflicted upon my neurons? Yeah, I'm still bitter after all these years.

Did Gary Seven time travel, or know stuff about the future?

[ot, but... sort of] I saw Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Without giving too much away, I must say, they put Star Trek to shame with their portrayal of time travel. Tis a sad day indeed when a children's fantasy book/movie puts to shame one of the greatest sci-fi franchises of all time when it comes to the verisimilitude of time travel.[/ot]

The question was about "Time Travelling Weirdo". McCoy was certainly a weirdo in that episode, even if it was just the drugs talking. Kirk and Spock, not so much...although Kirk certainly steps out of character in the original untelevised Ellison script.

Bashir? Heh. He's just a weirdo. Out of place no matter where he goes. But I love him anyway.

I guess my poll was to discuss people who were recurring time-travellers not just single-episode time-travellers.

What infuriates me about Wesley is that he clearly is a Disney clone. It seems to me that he was included in the TNG cast to make the show more family (or at the least kids) oriented and that is just a crappy thing to do to Star Trek. It is not, nor has it ever been, a show for children.

And Roddenberry admitted he was a Mary Sue. Even the name matched.

Plus, there's the whole "smug" factor in the name of the thread, which I don't think would apply to McCoy as a time-traveler.

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I can't believe Daniels is beating Wesley in the poll. I suppose it's because he's fresher in everyone's mind than Wesley. (It's hard to believe TNG ended so many years ago. I feel old.)

Exactly.

Make It So, I once read an interview (Star Trek Communicator, I think) where Roddenberry said that he saw Wesley as an image of himself. That may not be the strict definition of a Mary Sue (which Wesley fit anyway), but it's certainly where most Mary Sues come from. And Roddenberry's middle name was "Wesley," so there you go.

Smugness is such a great descriptor of Daniels. Wesley was annoying, but I don't think he was as smug as Daniels. However, Wesley was a freak and he was a geek, and he was just way too annoying. Between Daniels and Wesley, it had to be Wesley for me.

I hate Daniels far more than Wesley, but it's what he represents more than his personality that bugs me.

Wesley's time travelling was restricted to standalone eps and, more importantly, TNG didn't go into much detail about Wesley's time travelling exploits. Also, I got the impression that Wesley is just sightseeing through time, not actively meddling. I like time travelling when it's a flukey thing.

I hate the whole idea of an organized time-travelling future Starfleet (and aliens) messing with the timeline on a regular basis because it's the Ultimate Reset Button crutch that either makes writers lazy (Deus ex Daniela saves the day) or makes plots senseless (when Daniels doesn't interfere, why doesn't he? e.g. Why didn't he prevent the whole Xindi mess by warning Archer about the weapon long before it first attacked Earth?).

I would find time-travelling more palatable if the writers would just set some clear restrictions on it. In the past -- e.g. TOS "City on the Edge of Forever" and TNG's First Contact and DS9's "Trials and Tribbleations" -- they always emphasized that it was a Bad Idea to change to the past except to correct what another time traveller does, and the changes were always isolated incidents that could be corrected with minimum effect to the timeline. But if in the far future people are hop, skip and jumping all over time and space, then the timeline must already be so contaminated that there is no "correct" time. All that matters is which time-travelling species is getting their way. Nothing that non-time-travellers do matters because some time-traveller can always undo it.

But perhaps Daniels only corrects other time travellers? That makes me wonder how the Xindi mess fits into all this, though. I didn't think the Sphere Builders were time travellers- or were they? They knew of the future, but did they travel?

They did send the Reptillians back, come to think. But Daniels corrected that.

Oh, my aching head.

True. I just think that at some point, with enough changes and corrections, the timeline gets so muddled that it's impossible to keep track of what the "right" timeline should be. I think that point has passed. My memory of Voyager is vague, but I think that show started the idea of a future Starfleet that travels through time the way the current Starfleet travels through space. Are there any references to Daniels being a part of that continuity? Anyway, if the timeline is contaminated beyond repair, then there's nothing to correct; all that's left is what Daniels and the Guardians are doing -- making changes to ensure the most favorable outcome for their side.

I guess this means that Voyager's future Starfleet gets my vote as most hated time travellers because they turned time travel from being a rare and special occurance to something mundane.

Well, even if Daniels is part of Timefleet (which I don't think is not the case), imagine having to explain that sort of thing to people living a century and a half from now. Imagine explaining space travel to Aristotle, or, to borrow from Sagan, teaching ants the alphabet. I think that Daniels thinks that Quantum et al. are unable to understand the complexities of time travel and of Timefleet. Smug bastard.