keckler
May 18, 2004 @ 2:51 pm
The episode before the "are we grounded" announcement. I think it has a most... appropriate title.
cuiusquemodi
May 19, 2004 @ 8:06 pm
First post?
Ok. First- didn't Degra's ship have borrowable doctor?
Second- Next week is still the season finale, there is yet hope (damn you all and your Variety confirmations, untill I hear it from the source...)
I must say, they copped out with Hoshi. Not "Hoshi's dead." Not "Hoshi's in a coma. We don't know if she'll ever awaken." It's "Hoshi'll be fine in 2 hours."
RIP Hayes (no more Corned Beef Slash)
Won't there be more Insectoids who may come to doubt the Reptilians?
And finally, I now doubt (though had held hope of) the return of the Aerials.
pennyq
May 19, 2004 @ 8:15 pm
That was awesome!
Did you notice the effects of the aquatic ship being destroyed by the anomaly? The water coming out of the seams? That was cool.
I gasped when T'Pol called Trip by his name.
And I was very much clapping about the idea of T'Pol wearing a Star Fleet uniform. No more catsuits for her!
Skategrrl
May 19, 2004 @ 8:16 pm
When I saw the previews for next week, I swear I saw Dr. Sam Beckett step into the imaging chamber.
(OK, maybe it was just me, but the graphics in the preview were very Quantum Leap-ish.)
I thought the second half of the episode clicked; the first half hour dragged a bit, but I suppose they needed to establish negotiations. :-)
I'm sorry, but Park's acting didn't quite hit the right note. If you are going to struggle, then STRUGGLE, damnit!
Loved the scenes with Trip and T'Pol. Also much love for the dinner in the Captain's room -- hmmm, if there is a next season, sounds like T'Pol will get rid of the Velvet Jumpsuit. Yay! Also, screen time for all, which is much appreciated. And I like the fact ENT continues to touch upon the loss of life -- as noted in another thread, other Trek series have been guilty of "sweeping it under the rug."
I also liked the final scene -- Archer has made his peace with the Trip and T'Pol relationship.
But one question...why not send more than four MACOs to destroy the weapon?
ETA because spelling is important
frenchtoast
May 19, 2004 @ 8:18 pm
Since I actually had time to watch this episode, I have to say I liked it. It moved pretty fast and there weren't that many plots going on all at once.
Malcolm's head bobbing in accord or respect or whatever got very annoying. And the camera work during the dinner scene with the captain gave me whiplash.
Though I loved Trip saying he wanted to see Soval's face. It will be interesting to see T'Pol's choice, Starfleet or VHC.
I loved the look of the Aquatic ship. And I'm beginning to like the other Mr. Man, but I'm still in love with Degra. Quantum sucks at expressing condolences. First Trip's sister and then Degra. Man, what an ass.
Only one more left. Cry, cry, weep wail and sob.
cuiusquemodi
May 19, 2004 @ 8:18 pm
Remember Twilight? T'Pol in Star Fleet uniform... hee.
As Archer got on Degra's ship, I couldn't help but envision the young married couple on their first trip in their new vehicle.
Oh, and you'll appreciate this pennyq, go Pacers!
Regent
May 19, 2004 @ 8:18 pm
Wow. This one was well done! I love the scene at the captain's table though. Something about it screamed Kirk, Spock and McCoy to me in the way their personalities interact now. Is it me or was this the first captain's dinner where T'Pol wasn't the subject of some sort of "gee, lookit the Vulcan" joke? Nice to see they're a team and even T'Pol has developed a sense of humor. Blalock's acting has gotten VERY good. She's showing T'Pol's vulnerability without it turning into a shuddering gushfest.
Porthos got some table goodies! Usually a no no I bet, but after all that poor pup's been through he deserves it. Quantum scruffed him a little behind the ears too. About time, asshat! Has Quantum looked around even once for this poor dog during all of this?
I have to admit I got a little misty with the deathbed exchange between Hayes and Reed. I was waiting for that kiss... but alas! Poor Reed. Never able to give utterance to the love that dare not speak its name.
Definitely was not feeling Hoshi love this time. I was when she hacked a loogey in Snake eyes' face, but after that she was basically the same Hoshi from season 1: Frail and defenseless. Not the Hoshi that was all cool in her EV suit in season 2. :( It'd be great to see her go on a tear now that she's been used like that, but I doubt that'll happen.
Definitely looking forward to next week's ep!
lowkey
May 19, 2004 @ 8:31 pm
If it is true, I'm glad to see Ent. get renewed for another season. I haven't disliked the show as much as some, but I think all can agree the quality of the show has greatly improved this season. It's nice to see the writers, producers, actors, et. al., rise to the challenge. And it is equally nice to see that effort rewarded by the powers that be at UPN.
metal666
May 19, 2004 @ 8:40 pm
Whoo! Great ep, with the exception of all the Hoshi abuse. When she finally spit at that grass-hopper I was like FINALLY!
Poor Reed he had to just stand there and watch his boyfriend die. Am I the only one bothered by the fact Phlox was just standing off to the side while Hayes is laying there with a giant hole in his chest? Really feeling the whole 'responsable for your subodanints(sp?)' thing between Reed and Hayes.
Quantum is a monster. Yea, OK they may need Hoshi, but J#$%& Freaking C!@#$%
The girl is comatose Quantum, she was mind raped, the least you could do is let Phlox treat her. Yeesh.
gforce2002
May 19, 2004 @ 8:41 pm
I thought this was a great episode - had me practically biting my nails! I thought the dinner scene was great, it was like a return to a semblance of normalcy that we haven't really seen all season. I really had forgotten about the dinner tables scenes they used to have all the time. I thought the scenes with Malcolm were really quite good - he played it subtly, but with obvious emotion.
Yes, the aquatic's ship destruction was an amazing effect - I actually said "Wow!" out loud!
The girl is comatose Quantum, she was mind raped, the least you could do is let Phlox treat her. Yeesh.
I thought that he seemed disturbed that he would have to do it, but that he really had no other choice. He needed her to provide the information, and he had to set his personal feelings aside.
dml
May 19, 2004 @ 8:44 pm
Another terrific episode. What I really enjoyed is how the writers seamlessly combined great action scenes with some wonderful character moments.
-Trip/T'Pol's argument and her apologizing to him was so well-done and beautifully acted by Connor and Jolene. It was very real to both characters and provided a nice continuation to their season long story arc and to the events in the Forgotten and E2. I was very surprised and pleased to hear her call him Trip. I saw that as a sign of genuine affection and friendship.
-Dinner scene with Trip/T'Pol/Archer-Another great scene and provided a much needed break in an otherwise dark episode. Loved the teasing and the great chemistry between the three actors. Bakula really is at his best in these kinds of scenes, especially opposite Trinneer. Loved Trip's comment about wanting to see Soval's face at the sight of T'Pol in starfleet blue.
frenchtoast
May 19, 2004 @ 8:46 pm
I didn't like the Hoshi barely fighting scenes. She was doing well in the training scenes from
Harbinger, what happened.
But, I agree with Quantum. Crap, did I just say that? When Hoshi had the concussion in
Minefield she was chomping at the bit to get to her post. And we saw how much she resisted, by inserting another encryption layer (you go, girl!). Time is of the essence, and ... no, I won't repeat what T'Pol told Malcolm last week but it is applicable here as well.
And I like the fact ENT continues to touch upon the loss of life -- as noted in another thread, other Trek series have been guilty of "sweeping it under the rug."
I also like that they're having Malcolm deal with it especially since he is the one that would lose the most team members. It really is a nice touch and humanizes the plot a whole lot more.
And count me on being impressed with the Aquatic ship destruction, though I was quite saddened by it.
Skategrrl
May 19, 2004 @ 8:52 pm
Quantum is a monster. Yea, OK they may need Hoshi, but J#$%& Freaking C!@#$%
The girl is comatose Quantum, she was mind raped, the least you could do is let Phlox treat her. Yeesh.
IMHO, that is the type of decision a captain has to make...Phlox would be needed on the ship. And thinking back to TNG, the failure of Troi to sacrifice a crew member for the good of the mission was the one thing that held her back. Once she figured it out, she passed the test.
gforce2002
May 19, 2004 @ 8:56 pm
And I like the fact ENT continues to touch upon the loss of life -- as noted in another thread, other Trek series have been guilty of "sweeping it under the rug."
Yes, I was thinking during this episode how interesting it was to have them actually react to peoples' deaths. Even TNG was terrible in this regard. Nameless ensign killed on the bridge? It was like "uh, clean up in aisle 3..." They never batted an eye. It always irked me then, and seeing the difference here makes it seem all the more annoying.
And thinking back to TNG, the failure of Troi to sacrifice a crew member for the good of the mission was the one thing that held her back. Once she figured it out, she passed the test.
I was thinking of the exact same episode during that scene,
Skategrrl!
jcin617
May 19, 2004 @ 9:24 pm
I didn't like the Hoshi barely fighting scenes. She was doing well in the training scenes from Harbinger, what happened.
Actually, I was very impressed that when she got away from the Reptilians, the first thing she tried to do was kill herself; that's a far cry from the "scared" Hoshi that came aboard Enterprise in season 1.
Also, I had thought after "The Council" that the Insectoids might turn on the Reptilians; I'm glad they are starting to question them. Hopefully they aren't the only Insectoids to be turning towards the human side.
Beregond
May 19, 2004 @ 9:29 pm
I, too, was underwhelmed at Linda's performance. I was hoping with some actual meaty scenes she'd step up to the plate, but alas...
Great ep otherwise; this is the show I've been wanting to watch! Great character stuff, including unrequited tragedy for Reed; a smartly-snapping plot, with lots of twists; and a great leadoff to next week. But my local station (Citytv Toronto) isn't running it till 10pm!
Also good to hear there'll be a season 4; gotta see what's next for these guys.
dalek
May 19, 2004 @ 9:31 pm
pennyq and gforce2002, ITA about the cool sfx accompanying the destruction of the aquatic ship.
I was impressed that Hoshi was able to resist the parasites enough at first to add an extra layer of encryption and then tried to kill herself.
i'm bummed that the series is teetering on the brink of cancellation just as it's starting to get interesting.
frenchtoast
May 19, 2004 @ 9:32 pm
I was pretty thrilled when she got away, and the first thing I yelled was, "Jump!" Too bad she didn't get to do it. I mean, not like that, but so she wouldn't have to undergo another treatment.
And the Sphere Builders committed that fatal error by exposing how the sphere's true purpose, to modify the Expanse. That's what changed the Insectoid's minds. And I don't think it will only be that single Insectoid either.
Also, the hint that the Mr. Man dropped about forming an alliance with the humans was a nice tidbit dropped lifting my hopes for a fourth season.
jenmarie
May 19, 2004 @ 9:36 pm
Excellent episode all around. I was heartbroken that Hayes died. I really really liked the guy, and thought it sucked that they only brought him back to kill him.
I didn't like Quantum's decision regarding Hoshi, but I get that he didn't have any other options. They have hours at most to stop the weapon, and he really can't afford to wait until it's safe to wake her.
Desperado
May 19, 2004 @ 9:41 pm
I was heartbroken that Hayes died. I really really liked the guy, and thought it sucked that they only brought him back to kill him.
I absolutely agree, I wouldn't have minded so much if next week was the series finale, but the show looks like it will be renewed if it isn't already.
nerdyduck
May 19, 2004 @ 9:45 pm
I was heartbroken that Hayes died. I really really liked the guy, and thought it sucked that they only brought him back to kill him.
You're not the only one. I thought Steven Culp is a great actor and I really like the character. On the other hand, I felt bad for Malcolm watching his boyfriend die. No wonder he never got married.
I too felt Linda's acting wasn't on par. There was some serious potential there but it never got there. But go Hoshi for fighting back.
Looking forward to the season finale. Tonight's episode was great.
prolixiii
May 19, 2004 @ 9:45 pm
I'd like to echo what others have said -- this has really turned into a good show. I watched the first season and was so appalled by episodes like "Terra Nova" that I just gave up. Now I'm back.
I was impressed that Hoshi's first impulse was to throw herself over the balcony --after all, if the Reptilians get what they want, Earth is destroyed. She may not have given the most dynamic performance, but hadn't she had some parasites injected into her brain? That might take the fight out of you. I predict that she will die in the next episode, but that's just a guess.
The aquatic ship's destruction was very cool. I'm glad that we don't ever see them actually operating any technology -- I have to think that it would look stupid. It's nice that a science fiction show would leave something to the imagination.
I'm looking forward to next season more than next episode, actually. I like the idea of them pulling into space dock and showing the ship's battle scars. I'd like a couple of episodes on Earth -- a return to Vulcan intrigue? Also, I'll bet that whoever makes it back will get a nice fat promotion. Realistically, it would be difficult to keep the crew together after the mission, but not in TV land.
ETA: My first post!
Sundance Kid
May 19, 2004 @ 9:48 pm
Hey-what was up with the Reptillian Xindi letting Hoshi live? If this had been like on 24 he would have capped her in the head the minute she had accomplished her task.
P.S.-Thanks Enterprise for finally answering my questions of all these years of what would happen if someone shot you while you were in the transporter beam.
nelamm
May 19, 2004 @ 9:49 pm
Whoa. Some episode. A whole week...
Was that an "ears" joke (a la Kirk) I heard from Trip? And did T'Pol not quite laugh?
As soon as Hayes reconciled with Malcolm...I knew it was all over. Like many mentioned with Degra last week. Although I also wonder why he was just lying there with Phlox doing anything. (Who was the other Uh-oh who was shot?)
The whole ships jumping into the vortex thing was cool- very like Return of the Jedi, but what's wrong with that? I didn't notice the water (shucks), but I like how each ship sort of reflects the ones it belongs to.
Come to think, Archer could have had a great argument for the Aquatics: after all, they're the most vulnerable of the species. Oh- did we ever learn the method Trip and T'Pol agreed on?
So four species on "our" side. Maybe it's me, but it would be nice if it was five. Or six. Well, the Cardassians turned in the finale too.
In defense of LP, there's not much range you can give when you're strapped down. But yeah, I see the issue.
jenmarie
May 19, 2004 @ 10:36 pm
In defense of LP, there's not much range you can give when you're strapped down.
And unconcious, and even when she was awake after being injected with the parasites she didn't have much to work with acting wise. It was just Hoshi sitting there decripting stuff looking dazed and out of it. I thought she did a good job with what she was given.
tothemax
May 19, 2004 @ 10:39 pm
I am sick to fucking death of this Hayes and Malcolm testosterone cockfight. Seriously, it just made me hate them both. Hayes, I'm glad you're dead. I don't think I've ever been so unmoved by a death. Malcolm. Hate, hate, hate. UGH!! Those two characters just ruined the episode for me. Whatever.
ANY. WAY. Special effects were amazing. The blue spherebuilder totally reminds me of Janet Reno, which is mean, but true.
See what happens when you give Yoshi a few lines? LP was great. I thought she did all she could to resist the Reptilians. She didn't have any weapons and her strength was just no match. She obviously would have committed suicide if the Reptilians hadn't stopped her. Plust, she spit in Dolum's face! Yeah!!
Quantum was all over the map tonight. I liked his speech to the Aquatics but his voiceover about the crew being prepared just reeked of gazelle spunk.
Overall, this ep didn't really hold me like last week's ep did. I though it was more predictable and, of course, there's the major major Hayes & Malcolm hate, hate, hate.
pennyq
May 19, 2004 @ 10:41 pm
Somewhat nitpicky -- Hayes told Malcolm to use Mackenzie (aka Travis's future wife), so I was waiting for Malcolm to mention that when he addressed the MACOs, but he didn't even mention her name when he picked out the 3 volunteers. I'm open to some fanwanking here.
tothemax, I agree that I thought Linda Park's acting was appropriate to the situation, but I actually thought the Council was kind of meh and I really liked this episode.
Kev
May 19, 2004 @ 10:51 pm
Was Mackenzie the MACO who was injured?
Htown
May 19, 2004 @ 10:58 pm
IIRC, MacKenzie's the blond woman MACO from "Anomaly", and the one Mayweather was supposed to end up with. (LOL)
Aatrek
May 19, 2004 @ 11:45 pm
Well, that was... awesome!
You've got Hoshi, Quantum, and Reed off to fight the weapon; Trip, T'Pol, and Mayweather off to fight the spheres; and you've got Phlox tied between the two. With the Xindi species flipping out and the Guardians going fuck-'em-all, I think that we're going to have one kick-ass finale.
Anabanana
May 19, 2004 @ 11:48 pm
I swear it's not a bad thing that the first thing I have to cheer about is the possibility of having T'pol in a Starfleet uniform permanantly. (Wooo Hooo echoes around the globe...)
I thought this was a good, solid ep. It seemed to me LP did a good job -- the struggling stuff is easy acting, I was impressed with the exhaustion in her voice when she was brainwashed (the few lines before she escapes and tries to jump). CT and JB did a bang up job as usual. AND I thought SB's non-furrowed reaction to the weapon going to warp (or whatever the Xindi version is called) was well done. I never really watched QL, but sometimes I see the good acting I've had to take on second-hand testimony so far.
The Aquatic ship being destroyed brought tears to my eyes. I don't know why, but it did...
ETA: Welcome, prolixiii!
miss_tess
May 19, 2004 @ 11:51 pm
Somewhat nitpicky -- Hayes told Malcolm to use Mackenzie (aka Travis's future wife), so I was waiting for Malcolm to mention that when he addressed the MACOs, but he didn't even mention her name when he picked out the 3 volunteers.
pennyq, I agree totally. I kept waiting and waiting and not a word was said. Those guys needed to know who their leader was going to be. Who to look to. I just can't believe they got rid of Major Hayes. I love Steven Culp. He did an excellent job in this one.
I loved this episode. It was like watching a movie, in fact I think it was better than the last three Star Trek films I saw. I think the show has finally hit it's stride. Like DS9, it just needed a few years to evolve.
It's nice to see where the idea for the Federation came about. My hopes are positive that it will be renewed. It's the only thing I watch on Wednesday nights.
RiverThames
May 20, 2004 @ 12:07 am
It's a total cliche, but I really loved when Malcolm asked for "three volunteers" and every single MACO stepped forward instantly.
Great stuff all around.
Kev
May 20, 2004 @ 12:10 am
It's a total cliche, but I really loved when Malcolm asked for "three volunteers" and every single MACO stepped forward instantly
When they did that I got goosebumps. I'm such a wimp.
Make It So
May 20, 2004 @ 12:19 am
Not bad. I just wished Hoshi would've screamed a little more convincingly - that had to hurt. Maybe Koenig can give her some pointers. Still more emotion out of her than we've probably ever seen.
I'm glad to see more of the Aquatics, but I would like to no more about how a species that has to constantly be submerged in water could manage to build and control such elaborate technology and have the best weapons.
The Snake Eyes' costumes and makeup are great.
Aww. Trip stands by his Vulcan!
I understand that Quantum's under tremendous pressure to save humanity and all, but dude. At least give a little more hesitation before being willing to trot almost comatose Hoshi all over the place, despite strong warnings from Phlox that it could kill her.
Cleo256
May 20, 2004 @ 12:28 am
I had one problem with the episode, and that was pacing. They really seemed to have very specific things they wanted to get done here, and not do too much before next week's episode. The last act was all setup for next week.
But otherwise, it felt like that one fight in "Best of Both Worlds II", when the Enterprise fights the Borg just at the bottom of the hour, and you know they're not going to stop them, because there's still more time to go, but you do know something important's going to happen. Very cool feeling.
My other complaint was that none of the characters seemed concerned enough about getting Hoshi back. I guess I'm Hoshi-focused, but it felt weird that they'd just sit down and eat steak while her life hung in the balance.
Hoshi kicked ass. I agree that Linda didn't really shine, but I think maybe she didn't get a chance. She had very little to do after adding an encryption layer and attempting suicide (go Hoshi!). She was sort of reduced to a prop after that.
And she's not saved yet. Her life is still in the balance. I found Archer's reason for wanting her along unconvincing, but I enjoyed the scene where Archer reminds Phlox he has a whole sickbay full of patients who need him.
So, great setup, but the episode was merely good. or very good. But not superb.
ciscokidinsf
May 20, 2004 @ 12:42 am
My other complaint was that none of the characters seemed concerned enough about getting Hoshi back. I guess I'm Hoshi-focused, but it felt weird that they'd just sit down and eat steak while her life hung in the balance.
Dunno... my complain was exactly the opposite... too much effort in the Hoshi rescue, when they should have destroyed the weapon instead. methinks.
Yeah... pacing was too obvious.
Cleo256
May 20, 2004 @ 1:08 am
too much effort in the Hoshi rescue, when they should have destroyed the weapon instead.
Sure, but what I really meant was before they even got to the weapon. I just sort of felt like there wasn't enough sense of urgency to getting there. Yeah, I know. What are they gonna do for 10 hours, not eat?
If they knew it would take 10 hours, why did Archer schedule dinner for just before they arrived, so they had to be interrupted? You should wait an hour after eating before going into battle or you're gonna get a stomach cramp.
And why did Reed only take four MACOs? Degra's got a big ship, bigger than the shuttlepod anyway, and he'll need all the MACOs he can get. What are the ones left on Enterprise going to do? Practice their knitting?
I did like this episode. I'm just finding a lot to nitpick.
Kris_AB
May 20, 2004 @ 3:33 am
I don't really understand the applauding of Hoshi's attempted suicide. Sure, it's all heroic (in a literary fashion) to sacrifice yourself in an effort to save billions, but, um...why would that matter if you're not around to enjoy that victory? Sure sure, "needs of the many outweight the needs of the few" and all that, whether you agree with that or not it seems to be the majority's mindset...but how does that help the individual? Hoshi would still be dead, her life would still be over and for all she knows (let's assume she's an atheist just for the sake of argument) there'd be no more thinking or feeling beyond that. I dunno, if I were her I would've struggled and tried to run (as she did), but I wouldn't have tried to kill myself. Just on the off chance a rescue team was on the way and would've gotten there in time to save me before the brain parasites completely had their way with me. I dunno, the outlook that suicide, when it's for a patriotic cause, is anything close to glorious or even necessary just...rubs me the wrong way. Difference of opinion, moving along, nothing to see here...
Other stuff--possible promise of T'Pol getting to be in a Starfleet uniform next season, pretty exciting. Xindi Aquatics ship (incredible CGI there) exploding was beautiful in a terrible way (I dunno why, but I kinda love the Aquatics). Know what would've made that useless Hayes death scene a lot more emotionally resonant? If the writers had just frickin gone with the obvious sexual tension and made it so that Hayes and Reed had a thing, even if it had to mostly be offscreen.
I think Reed didn't ask Mackenzie to lead the foursome 'cause he was planning to himself...Either that or he'll find Mackenzie in the hallway next episode and ask her then. Oh nevermind, I just remembered that the Xindi ship he was departing on was already shown leaving Enterprise. So probably no Mackenzie, unless he left her behind to lead the other MACOs.
I was hoping the Sphere-builders were gonna get a little more hands-on when they decided they needed to take action.
C'monnn Daniels and Temporal Cold War tie-ups, go writers!
Dane
May 20, 2004 @ 5:02 am
A few thoughts before I leave for a 12 hour workday.
I don't think Mackenzie could have gone -- is Mackenzie the blonde or the brunette? If she's the brunette, then she's probably still in sickbay, because she was injured rescuing Hoshi.
Did anyone else flash on -- is it Dana? From Stephen King's The Stand when Hoshi tried to throw herself to her death? Just curious.
Poor Malcolm. He really is a sensitive soul, isn't he? I like that he's the one who loves the guns and the fist-fighting, but he's such a concerned friend and so appalled by all the death going on around him.
The Aquatic ship's destruction was a cool effect, and I felt sad too. I thought it was very cool that Enterprise came into battle "in the belly of the beast," as it were.
And damn. Out of time. More later. Here's hoping for official good luck on the renewal front while I'm gone!
zooropa
May 20, 2004 @ 7:13 am
And I was very much clapping about the idea of T'Pol wearing a Star Fleet uniform. No more catsuits for her!
Of course you know this means that Starfleet will now go to the miniskirt uniform for women.
Other than that I can't comment on this episode yet because last night while I was at work my VCR chose to record a re-airing of the Friends retrospective instead of Enterprise. Just to make sure it wasn't a case of 'operator error' I tried setting it this morning to record a few different channels and still it only records NBC. I'm going to try a complete reset and if it records yet another repeat of the frickin' Friends finale tonight instead of CSI it's next home will be at the bottom of a dumpster.
Glad to see you all are pretty much unanimous that this was a very good ep and look forward to seeing it on the weekend.
cheesesteak
May 20, 2004 @ 7:13 am
T'Pol in a Starfleet uniform. Now you know that uniform's going to come from the Christina Aguilera Starfleet collection.
I likes me some Linda Park. Even when she's drugged up or comatose.
You'd think that on a planet full of Xindi, there'd be at least a couple of Reptillians who were Aquatic scholars and could speak the language fluently.
wrxfanatic
May 20, 2004 @ 7:44 am
I understand that Quantum's under tremendous pressure to save humanity and all, but dude. At least give a little more hesitation before being willing to trot almost comatose Hoshi all over the place, despite strong warnings from Phlox that it could kill her.
Yes, he's an ass, but there may be a reason to drag her along. I was kind of disappointed that she caved and decoded the weapon after she first was able to add a new level of encryption despite the brain worms. Maybe she added some type of software sabotage that will be triggered later when the reptilians try to launch the weapon. The story line might need her at some point to explain to Archer how to use the trigger (he has to be involved somehow since he is the "hero"). I hope so. More Hoshi screen time is always a plus.
scarymom
May 20, 2004 @ 8:00 am
My daughter called after the ep to say that, though she isn't usually impressed by DK's acting, "Malcolm does play the grieving widow well." And her take on him not inviting McKenzie along was that he just picked the three purtiest guys -- if he's gonna die, he's going surrounded by Uh-Oh Hunks.
I have finally decided that SB has done a good job portraying Archer this year. Taking him from wide-eyed, eager, shiny new captain to bitter, angry, obsessively focused leader seems to have been a deliberate choice -- and it has worked. I don't particularly like him now, but I don't find him as deadly dull as I did before. He's had to make some hard decisions to accomplish his goals, and he's done it (though he seemed more willing to sacrifice Hoshi than he was to shoot "Helena Handjob" when he really, really should have -- maybe more character growth since then?) Maybe next season (pleasepleaseplease) he'll find a middle ground between the two character types.
skye1974
May 20, 2004 @ 8:13 am
Loved it! Loved it! I had to give this one an A. Although, I agree with those who say they had problems with the pacing. It was a lot to fit into one episode.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I liked CQ this ep. From his barely suppressed triumph at the Aquatics' agreement to help to his furrowing ethically-challenged decision to take a comatose Hoshi along to destroy the weapon.
The entire battle scene was awesome! Great shots of the Enterprise firing at the generators and the Aquatic ship protecting the human ship from others.
I really enjoyed the dinner scene. All three actors played it beautifully. It's like they were all a little anxious, but happy to be together for what could be "a last supper". My favorite line of the night: "You may buy me a drink as well." Hee!
Glad to see that T'Pol took T'Pold's advice to depend on Trip. Also very glad to see that neither will let it interfere with the mission and that we'll get to see them develop after it's all over. Although I'm hoping that her calling him Trip was just an attention grabber and one time thing.
RiverThames
May 20, 2004 @ 8:46 am
And why did Reed only take four MACOs? Degra's got a big ship, bigger than the shuttlepod anyway, and he'll need all the MACOs he can get. What are the ones left on Enterprise going to do? Practice their knitting?
I was annoyed at first by this, and then I thought-- what are they going to do? Do an all-out firefight, or try and Die Hard it? And I realized they would probably do more of a Die Hard-- and thus a small, mobile group would be best.
I don't really understand the applauding of Hoshi's attempted suicide.
I think because, in that moment, while there of course was hope of rescue, there wasn't anywhere for her to run to. She was able to fight through the parasites to extra-encrypt the weapon, but she knew she wouldn't be able to hold through a second treatment. After that, she'd just be a tool they would use to help destroy the Earth. While she may not get to enjoy the victory if she killed herself, her final moments she'd know that they didn't get to use her, and therefore the Earth would be safe.
Aatrek
May 20, 2004 @ 9:01 am
I really liked how Hayes died (I didn't want him to die, but I just think it's a cool sci-fi death), but it got me thinking: "We've seen this before, I think, right?"
Answer: In DS9's By Inferno's Light, as Worf gets transported out of the Dominion prison camp, at least four shots pass through him and hit the wall behind where he was standing - the same situation Hayes was in in Countdown. At first, I thought it was just a breach of continuity, but then I realized that it's a way of showing just how far transporter technology has to go before the 24th Century.
Coolness.
thingamajig
May 20, 2004 @ 9:07 am
You'd think that on a planet full of Xindi, there'd be at least a couple of Reptillians who were Aquatic scholars and could speak the language fluently.
Yeah, we were saying pretty much the same thing, "You mean to tell me that
Hoshi, is better at speaking Aquatic Xindi than a bunch of
Xindi are?" Linguistic genius or not, I thought that was idiotic.
However, I thought this was a pretty damn good episode; good acting, decent writing, cool special effects, and plenty of arc-y goodness.
Aatrek, I thought that was kind of cool too. First I was annoyed at how they're using the transporter all the time with barely a second thought now, but I was appeased by them making it clear that these transporters
aren't as advanced as what we've seen before.
jcin617
May 20, 2004 @ 9:11 am
I don't really understand the applauding of Hoshi's attempted suicide.
I applauded it, if nothing else, because its a dramatic demonstration of the growth of the character. Compare Hoshi in "Fight or Flight" in season 1 who was terrified of, well, everything - to this Hoshi, who managed under fairly hopeless circumstances to not only stick it to the Reptilians by adding another encryption layer, but also was almost able to sacrifice herself for Earth. That's quite a change.
nelamm
May 20, 2004 @ 9:19 am
Maybe I wasn't watching close enough, but it seemed Hoshi didn't want to jump. Just me, probably.
I thought of being shot through the transporter, but it seemed as if Hayes was still mostly there when he was shot. Perhaps it works slower.
Something I was wondering: Shouldn't reptiles have less deep-set eyes? Probably a makeup issue.
And speaking of bugs, was anyone else channeling Khan when they described the parasites?
Finally, don't MACOs have a chain of command?