But they didn't live together, didn't sleep together, and probably spent very little "relationship" time together, what with their schedules. And there is a difference between knowing something and knowing something, if that makes any sense. I don't see any way, even if Nick knew on the surface that she was spoiled, lacked anything resembling common sense, and was abnormally attached to her family, that he could have forseen just how bad it would actually be to be living in the middle of it, with no apparent hope of escape. If Nick has any optimistic qualities, he probably felt she would grow out of her worst traits, since most people do, to a certain degree, and she was very young and allegedly sheltered when they started dating. Their situation is definitely an argument in favor of living together before marriage.

Didn't Jessica tour with 98 Degrees at one point? I would imagine he would have seen all he needed to see in regards to her parents, etc. during that point of time.

I said before about Nick, and I'll say again:

"Show me what you love and I'll tell you who you are."

He was there sobbing at the altar, the picture of a man in love, professing his love and his life ....

Jessica is probably plotting the murder of Ashlee as I type.

Absolutely, cherry.

I always say that two of the biggest indicators of who someone really is are who they marry and how their kids turn out. Nick has struck out on #1, and #2's not looking so hot.

See, now that would be an interesting episode of Newlyweds. I'd love to see J Simp try to off her sister by pulling her hair until she cries.

I think Nick is a classic case of the person who "loves" someone else very much, but doesn't really love them for who they are, and rather for who they could be. I think that he genuinely loves Jessica, and sees something in her that we don't when the cameras aren't around. I don't think he married her for her looks alone - if he was that shallow then I think he would have just left her as soon as he realized how unhappy she was making him. Instead he is sticking with her and trying to make the marriage work. I'm kind of on the fence as to whether they will stay together...its hard to say. Look at celeb couples like Ozzie and Sharon - she could have obviously found someone who could fulfill her needs a little better, but she has stayed with him through good and bad times. Is that real love?..Who am I to say? I do think that Nick had a very good idea of what Jess was like before he married her, but like many of you have mentioned, he was optimistic enough to believe things would change. How many of us have been in situations like that? I'm in one now, to an extent:)

On a different note -- who saw the old Punk'd episode with Nick and Jessica? Looking back on it now, I have a completely different perspective than I did. At the time I thought Nick was acting like a chauvinistic asshole, and felt kind of bad for Jess. NOW I realize that between dealing with her ditzy personality and overbearing family, seeing that trailor with family members from back in Texas parked in his driveway must have made him SHIT himself!! Just what he needs -- more Simpsons around!! And, of course, her mom was there, just hanging out. Its pretty funny looking back on it now, lol.

Hell yeah. Jessica is undoubtedly too stupid to kill Ashlee, which means that it would be great fun to see her try. Watch as Jessica locks Ashlee in the car while it's running-- not realizing that the car has to be in the garage for that one to work! Watch as Jessica tries to kill Ashlee with 4 tablets of Advil-- not realizing that that's not only not an overdose, but it's less than maximum prescription strength!

I would think that Nick would encourage and cheer Ashley on, since the more time Perv!Daddy spend on her show and her career, is less time that Perv!Daddy and Tina have to interfer in Jess and Nick's private lives. And less opportunities for Perv!Daddy to leer at Nick in an unfather-in-lawly way.

His 5-year plan to mature Jess might have worked, if his in-laws weren't underfoot everytime he turned around.

Hee!!

Hee! Watch Jessica try to slit Ashlee's wrists with an electric razor!

But I think Sharon needs to be the one who takes care of everyone, to be in charge while everyone depends on her. So Ozzie does fulfill that need. I think Sharon is happy with her role as caretaker. Ozzie is, in my view, not a bad person; he's more pathetic than anything else.

And I think it's somewhat the same for Nick. I think he was attracted to her because she's hot and stupid and, like others have said, he can feel really manly around her, much more than he could with a smart, independent woman. Jessica, on the other hand, is a bratty, selfish, and self-absorbed dolt who equates stupidity with cuteness. And Nick can't be the caretaker because her parents do that. I don't think she's fulfilling any needs for him. And I think he began to realize it last season, but now it's just right in his face all the time, and there's just no denying it.

That is an excellent point, deelight. I do remember watching that episode and wondering what bug Nick had up his ass, especially when he hissed "Jessica" at her and snapped at her for having those relatives over. He was completely justified. And Ma Simp was at the house AGAIN during this punked. God, SimParents, GET A LIFE.

Yeah, I guess maybe "fulfilling her needs" was a bad choice of words to use. I really meant that Sharon could have someone who is more on her level intellectually, someone who wouldn't make her play the role of "mommy" to her husband, someone who can actually help out around the house without messing things up. But like you said, she seems to be content in that role.

The problem is arising with Nick and Jessica because Nick doesn't seem to like his role in the relationship anymore. And VERY good point about her parents still being caretakers, therefore leaving him with a stupid, hot wife and not much else to do.

ITA agree with everyone. There is a definite transfer of power when you go into a marriage, in which the center of your life stops being your parents, and it becomes your partner. And as much as I support people being close to their parents (I see my family a couple of times a week at least, usually), there is something really wrong with still being so dependent on their care. If Jessica still wants to be daddy's girl and have mom along for help on everything, its great. But then she should not be married. Once she gets married she has two choices: either she becomes an independent woman who shares decisions with Nick, or she becomes a traditional wife and lets him take care of her.

Of course she could also become super independent and strong, and take care of Nick, but I just dont see that hapening, ever.

OK, I have a confession to make. I am ashamed to be typing this but I think that Jessica is beautiful. I feel like a petulant child, saying, "its not fair!"- but its not! And I am not talking about her atrocious fashion sense, but watching Newlyweds last night, I was struck by how great her skin looked. Add to that her great figure and shiny hair and you have a green-eyed Borokat! If I ate out every night like they seemed to do- I would be big as a house. And you cannot tell me Jess does any kind of workout- she is much to lazy. I guess genetics are her friend, and that makes me sad.

Maybe that's why he spends his time wondering about unusually large turds.

Yeah, he seems to linger on his confusing thoughts a lot. Think back with me for a moment when him and Drew were listening to Nick's CD and it kept skipping. Why, in the name of Jeebus, did they stand there for what seemed like hours in utter confusion. What was the stop button on the radio for, you two?! For decoration? My lord...

I think Jessica's body is gorgeous. Her face can look pretty at certain angles, and under certain lights, but usually, she looks manly. Yes she does. She has a manly face.

I think she's beautiful too. She can look weird sometimes - with her unhinging jaw and big teeth - but overall she's very very pretty. And I don't think most celebs can pull off looking that good with no make-up and hair up in a ponytail, but Jessica does it.

Her body? Well, she has big boobs. But she has no butt. To be perfectly honest though, her body is great...she looks a hell of a lot better than me!

Oh yeah, so mannish. She's a man, man.

My fear is that a generation of tweens are going to think that she's a model wife.

I know Im in the minority here, but I dont find her pretty at all. Like, at all. I think she looks fake, her hair is way too light for her skin tone, her skin tone is messed up anyway, her smile is weird, there is something strange about her jaw. About her body, sure, I'll give her boobs, but she has no ass, and is just too skinny. This has nothing to do with her personality, I just dont get the big hoopla about her. She just looks.. generic, so stereotypically barbie -like that she becomes a cartoon version of a person. Beauty is in the flaws, in the expression, some people just have a certain something about them. To give context, I find beautiful: Catherine Zeta Jones, the girls in That 70's Show, Lucy Liu, Kate Winslet, Gwen Stefani, and the like.

And it might be conceited of me, but I think Im much prettier that her.

Edited to add that Im talking about how she looks all made up. When she wears no makeup, sure, she looks fine. But nothing particularly special

Jessucka is that rare creature who actually looks better without makeup. I think she looks like a major drag queen when she is all done up, but when she has just a nice natural face, she's really lovely. Do you remember the episode where Nick and Jess went to Home Depot together? She had on a little sundress, her hair all tied back, and not a bit of makeup (it seemed). She was beautiful.

She should cherish that while it lasts! Only for a while are we young enough to look our prettiest without cosmetics. I've gotten to the point where I hate to leave the house without eyeliner.

I could be wrong, but was this the same guy who was doing Asslee's hair in her show?

That guy that was on the boat with them was Jessica (and Ashley's) hair stylist. I think his name is Ken Paves.

Jessica is basically 'generic barbie'. She's so, you know, fake! (looking)

But yeah, she looks wayyy better with no makeup on. She looks so much prettier natural, her with makeup = drag queen-ish.

Now that I think about it, even though Ashlee's not as magazine fake pretty, she has a girlier face than Jessica. She does, remember those clips of them when they were kids on the Ashlee Show? Even when they were young, you see Ashlee's lil' cute girly face, and then Jessica's man face right next to her.

With all the sunbathing she does it won't last too long.

Okay, I just turned off the latest installment mid-episode. Count me among the ranks of It Isn't Funny Anymore. Why is this so for me (other than the obvious suckitude of Jessucka)?

Nick is a very unhappy man. It is written all over his face. It is no longer amused exasperation, it's just plain old ordinary pissed off exasperation. I'm finally old enough and mature enough in my relationships to be able to differentiate between "guy pissed but he'll get over it because he really loves and respects his woman" and "guy pissed and wondering if the pu**y really is good enough to put up with this level of nonsense." Nick's face definitely shows the latter.

He's not a genius, but I do think that Nick is capable of adult conversation beyond whether or not an acorn is part wood. I wonder if he would enjoy speaking about what he plans to do with HIS career, for a change. I wonder if Jessucka could muster up five minutes of concern about that. I wonder if Jessucka could choose the company of her husband and her husband alone, instead of her husband, Dumbass (you know who I mean), Ma, CreepyPa, assorted friends and hangers on...

I enjoy spending time with my family, and I miss them terribly since I moved almost 2000 miles away, but I don't feel a need to do every single thing with family involved. Now, I speak to my mother usually once a day, especially now since she's widowed. I am, however, able to go on vacation...to Mexico, no less!...with Mr. Maggie without mom tagging along. We're vacationing in Hawaii in September with the in-laws, and already we are drawing boundaries to avoid too much togetherness. Me and Mr. Maggie...we like doing things, just the two of us. Then again, I can have a conversation without resorting to cutesy little "mistakes" that could not be any more staged than an episode of The Casino.

Tell me again why Dumbass is tagging along? Is she on the payroll? Does she do anything? Shut up, Kai Cey.

Ashlee's new album is #1?
Maybe that will take some pressure off Nick.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/2...reut/index.html

There's also a vapid quote from Tina in the article.

Yes, it is. She's also platinum already.

While I think she can look pretty at times I don't think she is anywhere close to beautiful. Unfortunately for her she looks like her dad, while Ashlee looks like her mom. You can really see this in the link lyn1 posted.

I must be conceited too because I think I have a better body than she does. While our bodies are very similar, I have nice curves that she lacks.



I'm sure that if you had Jessica's time and money (to buy Proactiv, tanning sessions, a hair stylist. make up artist, manicures/pedicures etc,) you would look 100 times better than she does. While she eats out a lot she doesn't eat like Britney Spears. I'm sure she works out. I think she and Nick have a gym in their house.

IMO CZJ is hideous. Count me in the Jessica looks far better without makeup club.

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If you caught it mid episode you missed the part about it not being a vacation. She was there for a photo shoot. Not to mention she employs her parents. One is her manager and the other is her stylist. A terrible stylist but a stylist none the less. I think they turned the whole thing into a family event when MTV footed the bill for the yacht. This was filmed around Mother's Day weekend. I remember seeing it in US.

It is never a vacation anyway when they are filming this for their TV show.

The problem with her parents is that they want to be stars themselves. So they make sure their mug is up in the camera in almost every shot and they are usually quoted throughout any press received by their daughters.

The recent Vanity Fair article is more about her parents than anyone else. Nick said in this article that it was clear early on that her parents were part of the package but this is becoming assinine.

when they were little i think ashlee was a LOT cuter, but now that they're grown up, i think jessica has this I-don't-even-have-to-try-I'm-gorgeous-anyway look. Even when she wakes up with a hangover, hasn't showered in 2 days, no makeup, and her hair slicked back into a tight bun she still looks exceptional.

I also noticed that last night. The poor man can't hide his unhappiness and the only time I saw him "really" smile was when he reeled in that marlin on the boat. I thought it was pretty sad that Nick and Papa Perv Simpson couldn't have a decent conversation when they were having "male bonding time." My dad and Mr Prettyprince are able to have nice light flowing conversation about general topics(sports, jobs, current events, Discovery Channel shows, our puppy) if they have to spend an afternoon together while my mom and I go to the mall or something. My point is that they can get along fine without having "invested in relationship time" as Papa Perv says. I think it's been mentioned before on this thread, but Jessucka's dad and Nick are very resentful of each other. Papa Perv resents Nick for having taken away his beautiful virgin baby girl, and Nick resents Joe Simpson for the constant imposition in their lives as intrusive father in law, and as Jessucka's omnipresent manager who pimps out their marriage to the press.

Again, she looks better with no makeup. Maybe it's just because I live in an area where there's seriously gorgeous girls around everywhere, but Jessica doesn't seem that exceptional to me. I mean, she's pretty, but ...

There's no denying she doesn't have the most girliest face out there.

Still cute (at times) though.


Also, I kind of felt bad for Nick during this last episode, he look seriously annoyed, but he knew what he was getting into.

To me, when she's not wearing make-up and with her hair casually pulled back, she looks like she's about ten years old. But perhaps it's due to her empty expression. When she's made up, I don't see it so much. But when she's without make-up, I feel like I can see a hamster on a wheel in her head running its little legs off trying to get one of her brains cells to spark.

I actually think she's very pretty when she doesn't have any make-up (or very little) on. It's when she's all made up (and orange) that I don't find her the least bit attractive. And it's sad that the first season I absolutely adored her stupidity and not it just grates. Which if I were to guess, is not unlike how Nick feels.

ITA. And I wonder if the reason Jessica seems more distant toward him is that what attracted her initially -- his independence, having a successful career on his own -- are gone and now he's dependent on her career and her family for the work that he does have since his attempt at a solo career failed. I can imagine part of that unhappiness could be that he knows, where would he be now if it weren't for PapaPerv's relentless "managing" and selling of their relationship. It's kind of sad, but you also have to wonder if Nick made a conscious decision to marry Jessica as a way to stay in "the business." If so, he sold his soul to the devil and knows he's now paying the price.

I don't agree that he is totally dependent on Jessica or her family (especially) for anything. They were going out for years before they married and she was less known that he was prior to the marriage. So I don't see how getting married to her would keep him in the business.

Right, but by the time the Newlyweds premiered Nick's attempts to go solo were going nowhere and he still hasn't established himself in a separate career.




My point was that now, 2 years after their marriage, when Nick is still without a career on his own, it appears the only way he's still in "the business" is via his wife/wife's dad -- i.e., the Nick and Jessica variety show, the Newlyweds, performing with her at the concerts she headlines. So part of Nick's appeal -- as someone who was on his own, with his own career -- is gone and he's reduced to following her around to her appearances, the only stage time when he gets to sing is with her thru her appearances/concerts. As a result, he may have lost respect for himself, and part (not necessarily all) of the reason he seems unhappy as well as what appears to be a change in the way Jessica treats him. All my speculation, of course, but I think it's possible.

Although I somewhat agree with you Oldbabe, Nick did manage to land a role on "Charmed" and that may lead to more acting roles. He may have things going on that we're not aware of, but yeah, I can see where he'd begin to resent having to live with the stunning (to him) success of his wife and her family. (I now believe that PervDad is some sort of idiot-savant marketing genius to have managed to get both of his daughters not just into recording careers but into platinum sales and TV shows! Or he has some serious blackmail skills.)

At first I think Nick enjoyed being a partner with Jessica, appearing in "The Sweetest Sin" video, etc. But then his CD tanked and he's portrayed as this guy with nothing better to do than install a pool cover. In reality, Nick may be enjoying time off, meeting with his Little Brother, and managing their money, while preparing for his role on "Charmed".

And on the subject of money, I'm beginning to think this family may know how to manage it after all. Clearly, Jessica is incorporated. So we have MTV footing the bill for a lot of their luxurious travel the past two years and then Jessica can write off other travels as expenses when she does a photo shoot or that sort of thing. The parents are writing off every minute of their lives as they "manage" Jessica and Ashlee. Sure, she spends a lot of money, but I'm not one of the people who thinks she doesn't have it to spend.

ITA. Nick seems like the type of guy who, although disappointed about his tanked album and solo career, probably wouldn't mind just settling into a pleasantly anonymous life, with kids and stuff. He really seems like he could adjust to either lifestyle fine and without too much regret.

Which is exactly why Nick should go back to school and get his degree. He was majoring in sports medicine before, correct? He could become independently wealthy, not the kind of wealthy that Jessica is used to, but still make out pretty well, and be proud of what he was doing. Then he could drop Jess on her ass at her parent's front door and move in with Drew and Leah and become anonymous.

Jessica has the fugliest shoes I've ever seen. Every pair she owns are just repulsive. Those ugly ass pink and yellow ones she wore with a sweat suit to get eye surgery were disgusting. And heels around the pool? She's so trashy. Either that or trying to draw compliments from Creepy Pa Simp.

See, I think it's the opposite - to me, Tina looks very mannish and PapaJoe looks very soft.


Word. Especially if he plans to stay with Jess. She's gonna have a meltdown when her 15 minutes are up. If she's lucky, he will talk her into moving to a small southern OH/northern KY town - he can be the stability and she can go into seclusion... having some time living a normal life might help her to grow up. Unfortunately, with her parents, I don't see that happening.

It could probably be that the show is just edited to make me think this, but I don't see their marriage lasting another two years.

Nick just seems... tired.

Its not that big of a deal. She does look presentable without makeup--but the girl is YOUNG. She is only 23 yrs old. Therefore, she has no wrinkles, age spots,& she is in fairly good shape. What do you expect? Most young ppl look good without makeup. Because some are at an age where it isn't greatly needed--yet. Personally, I wouldn't put her in the category of being a 'rare creature' like really...umm I don't think so!

This is doubly disturbing when you consider that PaSimp has final approval over the editing. So is he trying to make the marriage look bad on TV so his little girl will leave Nick? Is he sabotaging the marriage for more publicity (The Jessica Simpson Show: Divorcees can party, Just Jessica Variety Hour) ? Or is he just trying to make more money by exploiting the problems that many newlyweds have, and therefor sabotaging the relationship?

I think that two enormous parts to why she seems less interested in him is that #1 - she has the attention span of flea (sorry to any fleas that might be reading this) and #2 - she's all about acquiring things, not caring for them once she has them.

She's into clothes and loves to shop. But - can she be bothered to pick them up off of the floor at home? No. She got the new Mercedes. Did she care when Ryan bumped it? No - she was already not liking it so much. She wanted and got the small dog? Do I think that she will be doing the hands-on caring of that dog? No. She desperately wants something until she gets it. Then she just wants the next thing that she doesn't have. Nick is what she wanted a few years ago. She is not interested in the maintenance aspect of having a husband.

Probably. Because he's the only man good enough for his little girl. Gross!!! Btw, I agree with those who say Jessica looks much better without makeup on.

I am not sure if KrayZee is/was married...I assumed she had a boyfriend based on the conversation regarding "what's a double" and that he ended up dumping her.